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	by Brother Nathanael Kapner 
	
	
	August 29, 2008  
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	RealJewNews Website 
	  
	  
	  
	
	
	Part I 
	
	OWING TO THE ZIONIST OCCUPATION of the Western press, not only will crucial 
	news be distorted, but essential news will also be suppressed. Such is the 
	example of Vladimir Putin’s defense of Russia’s recent actions in S.Ossetia 
	and Georgia.
 
 The 
	Zionist-occupied mainstream media in the West has banned an August 29, 
	2008 interview with Putin conducted by Thomas Roth of the National German 
	Broadcast Services. Even in Germany, the interview was 
	
	censored. The Zionist 
	Jews fear Vladimir Putin and wish only to vilify this great Christian leader 
	rather than allow the truth to vindicate him.
 
 Because of my contacts in Germany, the full length interview in German was 
	sent to me 
	
	Here & below videos.
 
	  
	  
	  
	PUTIN - ARD FULL  
	(English subtitles) 
	  
	Part 1 of 3 
	  
	  
	  
	Part 2 of 3 
	  
	  
	  
	  
	Part 3 of 3 
	  
	  
	Through much expense and effort, I now make 
	this crucial interview available in English with the hope that readers will 
	not only benefit from hearing Putin’s defense, but will contribute to the 
	heavy expense involved in having this interview translated.
 Thomas Roth, a German national who resides in Russia, conducted the 
	interview in Russian then translated it into German. I have availed myself 
	of both texts through my friend, Dr E.L. Magerovsky, who is fluent in both 
	Russian and German. A translation professional was also consulted.
 
	  
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						- Los Muertos en Georgia y Osetia 
	  
	  
	  
 
		
		  
		Thomas Roth: Mr Prime Minister, after the escalation in Georgia, 
		the international public and the press sees Russia in isolation against 
		the rest of the world and beginning a war in Georgia. Why have you 
		placed your country in this isolation?
 
 Vladimir Putin: What do you think, who began the war in Georgia?
 
 
		
		Roth: As I see it, the conflict was incited by the Georgian 
		attack on Tskhinvali in S.Ossetia.
 
 Putin: I thank you for this answer. That is correct, that was it indeed. 
		We will deal more in greater detail with that later. Now I want to 
		emphasize that we did not prompt this situation. And as regards the 
		reputation of Russia, I am convinced that the reputation of any country 
		capable of following an independent foreign policy that would protect 
		the lives of its citizens, would only enhance its reputation.
 
 And vice versa. The reputation of other countries which make for 
		themselves a rule to interfere in the politics of other nations by 
		extending themselves beyond their own national interests, their 
		reputation would decrease. This says it all.
 
 
		
		Roth: You have not yet answered the question why you have risked the 
		isolation of your country from the rest of the world.
 
 Putin: I thought I answered the question. But if it requires additional 
		explanations, I will give it.
 
 I am of the opinion that a country, in this case Russia, which would 
		defend the honor of its citizens, whose lives it acts to protect, and 
		acts according to international-law obligations in the context of the 
		peacekeeping forces, it follows that such a country would not come into 
		isolation. With regard to Europe and the United States - they do not 
		rule the world.
 
 And vice versa. I would like to emphasize again: If any countries 
		believe that they are justified in serving their own personal and 
		national interests by disregarding the foreign policy interests of other 
		states, the reputation of such countries in the world would gradually 
		decline. If the European countries fall in line with the foreign policy 
		interests of the United States, they are not, in my opinion, going to 
		succeed.
 
 And now to our international-law obligations. According to international 
		agreements the Russian peacekeeping forces were granted the obligation 
		to take the peaceful population of S.Ossetia under its protection. Let 
		us recall in this connection, the year 1995 in Bosnia.
 
 It is well-known that the European peacekeeping forces in Bosnia, which 
		consisted of Netherlands military members, did not stop one of the 
		attacking sides and thus brought about the destruction of an entire 
		locality. Hundreds were killed.
 
 This tragedy in Bosnia’s Srebrenica is very well known in Europe. Should 
		we have acted likewise? Should we have ignored the aggression and 
		thereby making it possible for Georgian military units to destroy human 
		lives in Tskhinvali?
 
 
		  
		Roth: Mr Prime Minister, your critics say 
		that your goal in S.Ossetia was not to protect people, but to try to 
		further destabilize Georgia and to remove the Georgian president from 
		office. Why? In order to prevent Georgia from joining NATO. Is that so?
 Putin: This is not so, it is a perversion of the facts, this is a lie. 
		If this were our goal - then we would have probably started this 
		conflict. But you yourself have admitted that the Georgian side started 
		this conflict.
 
 Now let me recall the facts of recent history. After the illegal 
		decision on the recognition of the independence of Kosovo, everybody 
		expected that Russia would recognize the independence and sovereignty of 
		S.Ossetia and Abkhazia. And we had a moral right to do so. But we did 
		not do so. We acted more than cautiously and we ’swallowed’ the unlawful 
		Kosovo action.
 
 But what did we get in return for our restraint?
 
		  
		An escalation of the 
		conflict, the attack on our peace keeping forces, the raid and 
		destruction of the civilian population in South Ossetia! These are facts 
		that are very well known and have been published throughout Europe.
 The Minister of Foreign Affairs of France was in N.Ossetia where he met 
		with refugees fleeing from the Georgian aggressors. Even eye-witnesses 
		reported that Georgian military units ran over women and children with 
		tanks. They drove civilians into homes and churches and burned them 
		alive. And Georgian soldiers bursting into Tskhinvali, when they had 
		passed by cellars where women and children hid themselves, threw 
		grenades into the cellars.
 
		  
		What is this, if not genocide?
 Georgian leadership, who instigated this catastrophe, has undermined the 
		territorial integrity of Georgia by their actions. Such leaders have no 
		right to steer a country regardless of its size. If they were decent 
		human beings they would resign immediately.
 
 
		
		Roth: But Mr Prime Minister, that is not your decision, that is a 
		Georgian decision.
 
 Putin: Naturally. But we know different precedents.
 
 
	  
	
	
	Part II 
		
		Thomas Roth: But Mr Prime Minister, that is not your decision, that is a 
		Georgian decision.
 Putin: Naturally. But we know different precedents.
 
 We remember how the American troops marched into Iraq and what they 
		wished to do with Saddam Hussein because he destroyed some villages of 
		the Shiites. In contrast to this, in just the first hours of Georgia’s 
		invasion, ten villages in S.Ossetia were destroyed, wiped off the face 
		of the earth.
 
 
		
		Roth: Does this give you the right to remain not only in the conflict 
		zone but to march beyond that into a sovereign country and to bombard 
		this sovereign country? That I sit here before you now I owe to sheer 
		luck. For a bomb from your airplane exploded one hundred meters from me 
		in Gori in a residential area. Isn’t it a clear violation of 
		international law that you in fact now occupy a sovereign nation? Where 
		do you get this right?
 
 Putin: We responded within the parameters of international law. The 
		assault on the posts of our peacekeeping forces in S.Ossetia which 
		resulted in the murder of our peacemakers and the killing of our 
		citizens, we have considered without a doubt to be an assault upon 
		Russia.
 
 In the first hours of the fighting, the Georgian armed forces 
		immediately killed several dozen of the soldiers of our 
		internationally-recognized Russian peacekeeping forces. In our southern 
		position, as there were positions of the peacekeeping forces both in the 
		south and in the north, Georgian tanks encircled the lightly armed 
		Russian peacekeeping forces and opened direct fire on them.
 
 When our peacekeeping forces tried to take heavy munitions from the 
		hanger, they were shelled by the Grad rocket stations. Ten Russian 
		soldiers who were still in the hangers were killed on the spot - burned 
		alive.
 
 
		
		Roth: Mr Prime Minister…
 
 Putin: I am not finished yet. Then, the Georgian Air Forces attacked 
		various points in S.Ossetia - not in the Tskhinvilli region, but in the 
		center of S.Ossetia itself. We were forced to fire beyond the combat & 
		security zone owing to these air attacks. These were the places where 
		the Georgian troops were controlled from and the operation centers from 
		which our peacekeeping forces & citizens were attacked from.
 
 
		
		Roth: But I have told you that residential areas were bombarded by 
		Russia. I experienced this, otherwise I would not have told you. Can it 
		be that perhaps you do not have all the information?
 
 Putin: Perhaps I do not have all the information. Errors during military 
		operation are also possible. Only recently, in Afghanistan, US air 
		forces supposedly engaged in an attack on a Taliban contingent, but 
		destroyed instead, hundreds of civilians who were killed in one strike. 
		This is a first example of military errors.
 
 But the second example is even more convincing. The matter is, that the 
		fire and control posts, the control of the Air Force and the radar 
		stations on the Georgian side, were stationed in residential areas with 
		the aim to restrict the possibility of Russia defending its people in 
		S.Ossetia - using the civilian population - and you - as hostages.
 
 
		
		Roth: Well, that is an assumption. Mr Prime Minister, the French 
		Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr Bernard Kouchner, has expressed grave 
		concerns that the next center of conflict will be in Ukraine. He 
		mentioned in particular, the Crimean peninsula and the city of 
		Sevastopol as the next center of Russian aggression. Is the Crimea the 
		next target for Russia? The seat of the Black Sea fleet?
 
 Putin: He said, ‘the next center of Russian aggression?’ But this is not 
		the case in the Georgian conflict. We were the victims of aggression.
 
 Our American partners trained the Georgian armed forces, provided 
		substantial funds, and sent a vast number of instructors who mobilized 
		the army there. Instead of searching for solutions to inter-ethnic 
		disputes, they simply pushed one of the parties to the conflict - the 
		Georgian side - to aggressive actions.
 
		  
		
		And we are accused of being the 
		aggressors? What a powerful propaganda machine the West has!
 Now you ask, ‘What is Russia’s next target?’ In the current conflict we 
		had no ‘target’ to begin with. Therefore it is misleading to speak of a 
		‘next target.’ Should we have swung our penknives at them? What is the 
		proportional use of force when tanks and heavy artillery are used 
		against us? Should we have fired with a slingshot? They had to expect to 
		get their teeth knocked out.
 
 
		
		Roth: So you exclude targeting the Crimea?
 
 Putin: Allow me to answer and you will be satisfied. The Crimea is not 
		disputed territory. There is no ethnic conflict there in contrast to the 
		conflict between S.Ossetia and Georgia. Russia recognized the current 
		borders of today’s Ukraine a long time ago. We basically concluded all 
		the negotiations regarding the borders. Only demarcation issues are now 
		being discussed. But these are purely technical issues.
 
 The question about ‘targets’ for Russia only serves as provocation. 
		There within the Crimea, complicated processes are in view: Crimean 
		Tatars, Ukrainian people, Russian people, a Slovak population. But this 
		is an internal problem of Ukraine itself.
 
 With Ukraine we have a contract regarding the docking of our fleet in 
		Sevastopol until 2017. We will be guided by this present Treaty.
 
 
		
		Roth: Mr Prime Minister, another Minister of Foreign Affairs expressed 
		his concerns, in this case, the British Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr 
		David Miliband. He warned of a new - I use this word as his quotation - 
		‘cold war’ - between Russia and the West. He warned of an ‘arms race’ 
		beginning. Are we now on the border of a new ‘Ice Age?’ What is your 
		assessment of this situation?
 
 Putin: There is a Russian saying: ‘Stop the thief! The one who screams 
		the loudest, he is the thief!’
 
 
		
		Roth: The thief, then, would be, the British minister of foreign 
		affairs…
 
 Putin: This is what you say. Excellent! It is a pleasure to converse 
		with you. Remember, you said that.
 
 Russia seeks no provocation, no tension, with whoever it may be. We want 
		good neighborly partnership relations. If you allow, I will say what I 
		think about this.
 
 Look, there was the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. And there were the 
		Soviet forces in the German Democratic Republic. And we must honestly 
		admit, they were the occupying forces which were left in Germany after 
		the Second World War.
 
 After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, these 
		occupation forces went away. The threat of the Soviet Union is gone. 
		However, NATO and the US forces in Europe are still there. What for? I 
		will tell you what for.
 
 It is to establish order and discipline in their own US-NATO camp - to 
		hold them within ‘bloc discipline’ they need an outside threat. And 
		because Iran is not entirely suitable for this role, there is a strong 
		movement, initiated by the US, to revive the enemy in Russia. But in 
		Europe, no one is scared.
 
 
		
		Roth: On Monday the European Union in Brussels meets. It will talk about 
		sanctions against Russia. Do you or do you not care since you say that 
		the European peoples’ voice will not be represented?
 
 Putin: If I would say we do not care, that we are indifferent, this 
		would not be true. Of course we care. Of course we will watch very 
		carefully what takes place there. We only hope that common sense will 
		prevail.
 
 And we hope that an objective and not a politicized appraisal of the 
		S.Ossetian events will be given. We hope that the actions of the Russian 
		peacekeeping forces will be supported. Whereas actions of the Georgian 
		side which performed the criminal actions, we hope will be denounced.
 
 
		
		Roth: In this context I would like to ask this next question. How do you 
		solve this dilemma: On the one hand Russia is keen on cooperating with 
		the EU. You cannot act differently given the economic interchange 
		between you and Europe. On the other hand, Russia wants to play by its 
		own rules. How can you satisfy these two issues at once?
 
 Putin: We are not going to play by any special rules. We want all to 
		world to act in accordance with the same rules referred to as 
		‘international law.’ We don’t want, however, these notions to be 
		manipulated by anyone. In one region of the world, they will obey these 
		rules, in another region, something else rules, only to satisfy 
		someone’s self interests. We want unified rules that check the interests 
		of all participants.
 
 
		
		Roth: Do you mean that the EU plays with different rules in different 
		regions of the world which do not correspond to international law?
 
 Putin: Absolutely, how otherwise? How did they recognize Kosovo? They 
		ignored the territorial national integrity attached to Serbia 
		completely, and the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 which they 
		together discharged and supported. There they could do it. But one 
		wasn’t allowed to proceed in such a way in S.Ossetia and in Abkhazia. 
		Why not?
 
 
		
		Roth: Does this mean that Russia is the only one who can define 
		international law? That all others manipulate the situation - does that 
		make it right for Russia to define and dictate international law? Do I 
		understand you correctly?
 
 Putin: You have misunderstood me. Do you recognize the independence of 
		Kosovo? Yes or no?
 
 
		
		Roth: Me personally? I am a journalist and it is my job to report.
 
 Putin: I mean Western countries. In fact, all have accepted the unlawful 
		independence of Kosovo. But if you recognized it there, then you must 
		recognize it here - the independence of S.Ossetia and Abkhazia. There is 
		absolutely no difference. No difference at all. This is an invented 
		difference by the West.
 
 There it was an ethnic conflict - and here it is an ethnic conflict. 
		There, it was crime on both sides. And here, probably we can find it. 
		Probably we can find it if we ‘dig.’ There the decision has been taken 
		that these two people cannot live together in one state - and here they 
		do not want to live together in the same state. There is no difference 
		at all and everybody realizes this. This is all twaddle for the West’s 
		unlawful decisions to cover.
 
 This is the law of the jungle and Russia cannot agree to this. Mr Roth, 
		you have been living in Russia for a long time and you speak perfect 
		Russian, nearly accent free. That you have understood me I am not 
		surprised. I am very pleased. Now I would like our European colleagues 
		who will meet on September 1 to talk about this problem, to understand 
		all of this.
 
 Was the UN Resolution 1244 adopted? Yes, it was adopted. Was the 
		territorial integrity of Serbia explicitly mentioned? Yes, explicitly. 
		It was then, in their recognition of the independence of Kosovo, that 
		Resolution 1244 was thrown into the trash. They simply forgot it in 
		spite of our many protests.
 
 They tried to re-interpret it. Turn it inside-out. It was impossible to 
		wiggle out of it — so they simply forgot it. Why? They had orders from 
		the White House and all have obeyed.
 
 If European nations continue with this policy of obeying orders from the 
		White House, then we will just go straight to the source of their 
		policies and of all European affairs, and negotiate with Washington!
 
	
 Part III
 
		
		Thomas Roth: Given the crisis which is currently present in your 
		relations with the US and the EU, what contribution can you support to 
		cool off this crisis?
 Vladimir Putin: First of all, it appears that to a great extent this 
		crisis was provoked by our American friends in order to enhance their 
		election campaign. This is the use of administrative resources in its 
		most deplorable form — in order to ensure the advantage of one 
		candidate. In this case, the advantage of the current ruling party.
 
 
		
		Roth: But this is not a fact.
 
 Putin: Perhaps. However, we know that there were many American military 
		advisors in Georgia. This is very bad to arm one side in order to solve 
		the ethnic problems in a military way. At first glance, it is much 
		easier than to lead long term negotiations and to search for 
		compromises. But at the same time, it is a very dangerous way, a way 
		that the US so often chooses, and the order of events has proved this.
 
 American instructors - all of the personnel teaching on using military 
		techniques — where should have they been engaged? At training grounds 
		and training centers. But where were they? In combat areas!
 
 This suggests that the US administration was fully aware of the 
		preparing military action - and moreover, probably participated in this 
		military action. Because without the order of the senior management, 
		American citizens had no right to be present in the conflict area.
 
 Only the local residents, observers of the OSCE, and the Russian 
		peacekeepers were allowed to stay in the security zone. We have, 
		however, found evidence of US citizens in the security zone that belong 
		neither to the first, second, or third category. Why were they there? 
		That is the question! If they will not tell us, and did allow this, then 
		I suspect that it has been done on purpose — to organize a small 
		victorious war.
 
 And should it fail in their planning? Then they compose an enemy image 
		out of Russia, and on this basis, mobilize the voters around one of the 
		presidential candidates. Of course, the candidate they are promoting is 
		of the present ruling party - because only the ruling party has such 
		resources.
 
 
		
		Roth: The last question I would like to ask you is a question that I am 
		very interested in myself.
 
 Don’t you think that you personally are in the trap of your 
		authoritarian state? In the existing system, you receive information 
		from your secret services and from other sources which include the 
		highest economic environment — even the mass media in Russia. These, no 
		doubt, are all afraid of telling you anything different from what you 
		are willing to hear.
 
 Is it not then the case that your existing authoritarian system 
		obstructs a broad view for you to see the processes that happen today in 
		Europe, the US, and in other countries?
 
 Putin: Dear Mr Roth, you have characterized our political system as 
		‘authoritative’ and therefore a political system to be censured. But 
		please, in this context, let us consider the conflict which we are 
		presently discussing.
 
 Don’t you know what has been happening in Georgia in recent years? The 
		mysterious death of Saakashvili’s opponent, Zurab Zhvania, the prime 
		minister? The reprisals against the opposition? The violent dispersion 
		of the opposition demonstration in November last year? The rigging of 
		national elections practically in the conditions of a state of 
		emergency? Then this criminal action in S.Ossetia resulting in many 
		civilian deaths.
 
 And yet for all of this, does the West still tout Georgia as a 
		‘democratic country’ with which a dialogue must be held and which is to 
		be taken into NATO and perhaps in the EU? The regime in Georgia is a far 
		cry from what the West wants the world to believe.
 
 Yet if another country protects its interests, simply its citizens’ 
		right to life — who have been attacked — 80 of our people were 
		immediately killed by the Georgian attack, 2000 civilians are dead in 
		the end — and what, we are accused of being ‘authoritarian?’
 
 And if we protect the lives of our citizens, we will have Kolbasa 
		[Russian sausage since Russia relies on European food imports] taken 
		away from us? Do we have a choice between Kolbasa and life? We choose 
		life, Mr Roth.
 
 
		
		Roth: But in your own country..
 
 Putin: Please - let me to talk about freedom of the press since you 
		brought it up. How have these events been represented in the US media, 
		one of the so-called beacons of democracy?
 
 I was in Beijing when all these events happened. There began the massive 
		bombardment of Tskinvhalli, there were already ground operations of the 
		Georgian troops, many victims, and no one had reported anything about 
		these incidents!
 
 Hardly had we pushed back the aggressor, knocked his teeth out, he 
		hardly had his American weapons dropped in haste and fled - all at once 
		the Western press remembered all about international law & called 
		Russia, the aggressor. All began to wail! Why this selectivity?
 
 
		
		Roth: Does not Russia need to care for its own economic interests rather 
		than alienate its European partners?
 
 Putin: Alright, let’s talk about ’sausage’ -the economy. We want normal 
		relations with our European partners. We are a very reliable partner. We 
		have always fulfilled our obligations.
 
 When we built a pipeline system in Germany in the early 60’s, our 
		partners across the Atlantic advised the Germans not to approve this 
		project. You should be aware of this. But then, the leadership of 
		Germany made the right decision and this system was built together. 
		Nowadays, this is one of the reliable sources of energy supply for the 
		German economy.
 
 Let us look at the global economic situation. What are our exports to 
		Europe and also the US? More than 80% of the resources — oil, gas, 
		timber, metals, and fertilizers. That is all that the world economy and 
		also European industry demand. These are all things that can very well 
		be sold on the world markets should there be sanctions against us.
 
 Concerning your imports to us, Russia is a large and reliable market. 
		Does someone want to stop selling to us any longer? Well, then, we will 
		buy these products elsewhere. Who profits from it? Not our partners in 
		Europe. Those across the Atlantic?
 
 We are a victim of aggression and the West’s distorted propaganda. We 
		want an objective analysis of the situation which we are not getting. We 
		only hope that common sense and justice will prevail.
 
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