May 26, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Susan

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello. Why not Susan?

Q: (L) Well, I don’t know. Do you want Susan at the board?
A: Up to you and her; we just asked; no biggy.

Q: (L) Well, she is taking notes.
A: Okay. Hello.

Q: (L) Could we have your name, please?
A: Rohr.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Okay, we have several questions tonight...
A: Fire away.

Q: (L) The first question is regarding the warning of attack Terry and Jan received earlier this year...
A: Yes.

Q: We are concerned that they are currently under attack.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Terry was offered a job that was interesting, and this offer came, seemingly under exceptional conditions, that is, during the interview, which almost never happens. When he got into the job, he felt that it was not the place for him to be and he quit after four hours. His perception, as I understand it, is that his quitting of this job was an act of protection stemming from his knowledge that it was not the place for him to be. I wondered, and my clue was his word “feeling,” that because he was “feeling negative” toward the job, and therefore perceived the job in a negative way, he quit what may have been an excellent point of contact for other things, people and experiences that he may have been in line for. Interestingly, Jan felt the same way. Now, my question...
A: You are correct.

Q: (L) So, he quit the job and this is part of attack?
A: Yes. Resulting from.

Q: (L) What are the ramifications of this? Is this indicative of a possible financial bind? Like getting into the financial soup?
A: Open.

Q: (L) So, at this point, it will just have to be dealt with, is that correct?
A: Soups come in a variety of flavors.

Q: (L) So, it is not necessarily that he will have financial problems, it could be something else altogether?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I think Terry has been having some pretty negative feelings, as have I, in general. Is this a correct assessment?
A: Point out to him that feelings are best to be aired, lest they fester. Communication is the key.

Q: (L) Yes, we know that, and I tried to communicate some of my concerns to him on the phone, but he seemed to be blocking me because when I pointed out that feelings are not to be trusted, he said that he felt that his feelings ARE reliable in this case. He kept using the word “feeling” which rang in my head like a warning, especially after what I have been through recently. I tried to communicate this.
A: Terry is the one who needs to communicate.

[Phone rings and time out is taken to talk to Jan and Terry]

Q: (L) Were you listening to our conversation?
A: Of course as always.

Q: (L) That is so comforting.
( SV) Yes. Remember when I whispered to you because I didn’t want the Cassiopaeans to hear?! (L) Right!
A: Ha! Ha!

Q: (SV) They did hear me! (L) Okay. I just talked to him about what we are discussing, and Terry is pretty convinced that he is on the right track and he has me pretty convinced at this point, too.
A: Attack, just look at what he is feeling about Freddie and SV, do you not recognize the “symptoms?”

Q: (L) Yes, I guess I do since I just went through that and I seem to be suffering in similar ways from time to time. Could you give us some advice on how we can break the attack?
A: He needs to air it out with proper parties.

Q: (L) So, if we all aired everything out, it would help to break the attack?
A: Yes. Pops like a balloon.

Q: (L) Now, regarding my own situation... Terry and Jan have just offered assistance which is welcome and timely, but is only a band-aid...
A: We provide, and when ready, huge sums will come to all.

Q: (SV) It all depends on what you consider “huge.” (L) Well, I consider “huge” in the millions.
( SV) Well, that is beyond my comprehension. What would I do with that much?
( L) I could help you out with that! (SV) I was hoping you would say that!
A: You will manage!

Q: [Laughter] (L) Okay, well, I have made the decision that I am not going to push to do anything, including moving, unless and until I am sure that that is what I am supposed to do. I am sure that you will let us know.
A: Okay.

Q: (L) So, we can just work on the house and work on making ourselves happy where we are.
A: Good girl!

Q: (L) We had our aura photographs taken at the metaphysical conference. Were those photographs accurate in color representation?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Freddie had a very lovely aura. There are, however, a couple of things that are confusing. In SV’s aura, the colors are very compact and close into her body. What does this indicate?
A: Stomach problems.

Q: (L) What could she do to alleviate her stomach problems?
A: Change her diet “big time!”

Q: (L) What is there about her diet...
A: Starch and fats must be reduced steadily.

Q: (L) And what should she add?
A: Fruit.

Q: (L) Any particular kind?
A: All.

Q: (L) Is microwaved food harmful to the person who consumes it?
A: Not much.

Q: (L) Now, are the colors in SV’s aura fairly representative of what her colors usually are?
A: Parameters change within resulting in aura changes.

Q: (L) Can the color of your aura reflect psychic attack?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) We gave some of our material to Michael Lindemann. I would like to know what his ultimate reaction to it will be? He did not seem to be favorably impressed, but I don’t think he read it, either.
A: Let it seep.

Q: (L) I also left some material with Linda Howe. Is this going to help her in any way?
A: Sinking in.

Q: (L) Are we going to get any repercussions or responses to the distribution of this material?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are we going to get any positive responses?
A: Yes. We direct you as long as you have faith in us, as we are you! Attack
is always designed to destroy that faith, either directly or indirectly. Think of the instances, to see if there is a familiar pattern to the “root.”
 

Q: (L) So, attack is always directed at undermining our faith.
A: In a roundabout way.

Q: (L) Now, there is a real issue here about SV working on different people who may be sources of negative energy. Is just knowing that there may be negative energies sufficient protection to allow her to work on just anybody?
A: Strengthens shield if knowledge is utilized properly through psychic channels, therefore, exposure is good if care, prudence and awareness are applied.

Q: (F) Does this mean that Terry, by withdrawing into a protective shell, has deprived himself of an opportunity to gain strength in this regard?
A: Yes. It is lack of faith in what is brought forth for him as well. Tends to weaken the shield.

Q: (SV) Maybe I just shouldn’t tell anyone who I work on?
( L) No, we can’t not tell each other what we are doing because that is a lack of faith in each other. We can’t baby ourselves or each other.
( F) It all has to be aired out some time or another.
( L) Can I ask something about the perpendicular realities?
A: Wait for Terry and Jan be present for answers.

Q: (L) Okay, I’m jumping the gun because I am eaten up with curiosity.
A: Goodnight.

End of Session

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May 27, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Jan and Terry, Carla and Roger Santilli

A: Rouswo.

Q: (L) I guess that is the name. Hello, how are you this evening?
(T) Who do we have with us?
A: Name given.

Q: (T) Where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (T) How are you tonight?
A: Okay.

Q: (T) We are doing okay too. We have some company this evening.
A: Good.

Q: (T) Roger and Carla Santilli are with us. Roger has some questions to ask later.
A: Hello, Roger.

Q: (RS) Hello.
( T) Do you have anything you want to talk about to start off with?
A: Channel open.

Q: (L) Alright, let’s start off with the question that Susan and I have wondered about: Is it alright if I give the Reiki initiation during the Mercury retrograde?
A: Of course!

Q: (L) That’s what I thought. Go ahead, Roger, ask what ever you like.
( RS) I want to know whether we can have any clues on the propulsion systems of UFOs?
A: Sure!

Q: (RS) What’s the mechanism of the propulsion?
A: This is difficult to answer when posed in such a manner, as we are talking about multiple realities, density levels and various modes as well!!

Q: (RS) Is the gravity experienced by an anti-particle in the field of matter attractive or repulsive?
A: Repulsive when thought of in the way that is parallel to your studies, but, as we alluded to in the previous answer, there are more realms involved besides the one with which you are most familiar.

Q: (RS) The next question is: particles move, matter moves, in our direction of time, do anti-particles, anti-matter, flow backward in time?
A: Think of it as merely one seventh of the equation, Roger!

Q: (L) Can we get an answer on whether this is the case strictly on the third level of density?
A: Backward.

Q: (RS) Yes! I am interested in the propulsion systems of UFOs, the only way that I can perceive travelling the long distances involved in interstellar space is to have what is called a “space/time” machine. We cannot move the enormous distances unless you can fold, somehow, time and space. You cannot fold space unless you join it and fold time. You cannot have interstellar travel unless you have a space/time machine. But, a space/time machine means to also have the ability to move forward and backward in time, to manipulate time. (L) Yes, you would have to cross distances and simultaneously move backward through time so that you would end up arriving wherever you are going essentially at the same moment that you left.
( RS) That is why I asked whether we can use anti-matter as a propulsion, because it would be repulsive in the right direction. The second question whether, when we use anti- matter, we would move backward in time. Because, some of those objects, you see them moving, and they can be moving in space but not in time, or they could be moving in time but not in space. If you see a UFO, it does not mean that it is in our time. It could be in a completely different time.
( L) And, they disappear sometimes right before the eyes of the observer, and the question is: where do they go?
( RS) They could be standing still in space, but moving time. Or moving backwards.
( L) And, there are a lot of abductions reported where there is seemingly no time lost at all. They come in, haul the victim out, do whatever they do, and then they slide them back in a fraction of a second away, if not at the identical second they took the victim out! (RS) Yes! This article I presented is exactly about this point! If, indeed, anti- particles have lift, then necessarily they have to go backward in time. Then they manipulate this: you can have an abduction any length of time inside the craft, but in our time, in our level three, it is zero time! (L) Yes, exactly! And not only that, there is the phenomenon of the craft that looks small from the outside, but inside is huge! (RS) That is all tied up in it! This is very exciting. I am learning the language. In our third level, the motion in space and time occurs via the change of the unit of time and space, therefore, can we change the unit?
A: Yes, this is precisely what we mean when we speak of “transiting from 4th to 3rd.”

Q: (RS) So, when they travel from 4th to 3rd, they change the units. That is precisely what is in the article in the journal! [Holds up book.] This is published in the Ukraine, [turns to page and displays diagrams and equations] this is the experiment to test anti-gravity. There is a two mile long tunnel which is a vacuum inside. They suck the air out. The first measure is to shoot photons to identify, at the end of the two mile tunnel, the no gravity point. The second measure is to shoot a neutron, and we know that a neutron is attractive. So, after two miles, the energy is very, very low. So, there is no gravitational effect when the neutron hits the point. Then, the third step is to shoot an anti-neutron at the same time and see what happens. This experiment will resolve this issue that this board has answered very scientifically. We call it the gravity of anti-particles because we don’t know. It can be down... Einstein predicts this as attractive as a neutron, anti-matter and matter have the same gravitational attraction. That’s what Einstein says. But, when Einstein’s theory was proposed, in 1915, anti-matter wasn’t discovered until 50 years later. If now, theoretically, the only way a particle, in our theory, can go up, can have lift, is if time is reversed. There is no other possibility. So, if this experiment is correct, then the space/time machine is absolutely a consequence and can be tested in a laboratory. You can have a particle moving backward and forward in time. [Displays new diagram.] This is the other experiment which is, in this case, is done by putting a particle which is neutral and subjecting it to... since we don’t have a bunch of anti-matter - ideally we would have a pellet of matter and replace it with anti-matter - we don’t have a pellet of anti-matter, at this point, there are ways to do it though and it can be measured as to which way it moves, up or down. Now, the question of the units, it is very important, a fundamental question, because, say, you are outside a UFO, and you see the UFO as big as a car, say, and people go inside and report this enormous interior. There is no other way to do this than by changing the unit. What is for us one inch, that unit is completely different inside. For us the unit is the same along the three directions. Now, if you are inside, they can have different units in different directions. This means that if you are outside a cube, and you go inside, the shape, not only the dimensions but the shape even, can be different.
A: Density borderline cross awareness. Does Roger have familiarity with density definitions?

Q: (L) Did we ever get a density definition, Terry.
( T) Just about the seven levels.
( L) Okay, what is a density definition?
A: Review, using your own knowledge base, i.e. network.

Q: (L) What do we understand about density?
( T) There are seven levels of density.
( L) First level of density is rocks, minerals, plants. They have an awareness at there level. Rocks may even grow and move, but they do it so slowly that we cannot perceive it. Second level is the animal kingdom. This density awareness relates to geometrical progression. The first level has the awareness of a line. The second level has awareness of a line moving at right angles to itself, or planes. Third density is human beings and we have the awareness of the plane moving at right angles to itself, but we can never experience this fully. We see things as three dimensional only because we create an illusion based on memory and knowledge. We can never know the other side or the inside while we are looking at any given side.
( J) The Witnesses in Heinlein’s book could only tell what they actually saw. If you asked them the color of a barn, they would tell you that the side they could see was red. If you took them around to see the back and they saw that it was red also, and you then asked them what color it was after it was no longer in view, they would still say that the side they could see was red. If you asked them about the other side that they had seen, they would say that since they could no longer see it, it may have changed color so they would not attest to it.
( L) So, third density is like that. We can only know things by our perception. So, if we extend the idea of 1st, to second, to third, to fourth, and try to understand what fourth density would be like, because then you would know the cup or other object all the way through at once. You would experience a sphere inside and out and all around all at once. We stretch for this...
( T) Fourth density is inclusive of all the densities below it and an added density. Fifth would be, again, fourth density nature turned at right angles to itself. The same for sixth and then seventh, which the Cassiopaeans call “The One.” The completion point.
( L) And we have no idea of how to express these things. They have told us about TransDimensional Atomic Remolecularizers and we asked them how to build one.
They asked if we had a couple of days to sit and take direction. (RS) I do! I do! (L) We know, and we said the same, but then they asked us where were we going to get the parts?
( RS) It would be like trying to build electronics in ancient Roman times...
( T) Or, telling a dog how to build a watch. Even if the dog understands how to build it, where is he going to get the parts?
( RS) This point of how deceptive is our perception has been proven scientifically with the seashells. Didn’t we discuss about the seashells?
( T) Yes.
( RS) At the third level, is it true that the value of the dimension is changed by the available energy, or the energy is used to change the value of the units?
A: This concept crosses the density barrier, not limited to level three.

Q: (RS) Goes up to level four. That’s the means of propulsion of the UFO.
A: Reason for exponential awareness “explosion” is approach of wave. Now, concentrate on visualization, answers are located there... After a period of contemplation, Roger to “hit upon” breakthrough question to solve puzzle currently occupying “centerstage” of his psyche, with only one piece missing currently. [I take this to mean that Roger will be able to come up with questions to access the Cassiopaean information in a way so that the information can be dispensed. Also that his awareness is exploding as a result of the oncoming wave.]

Q: (T) Starting with the fourth density, we are no longer confined to the physical. The key phrase is “variability of physicality.” Once you move from 3rd density to 4th density, and we are all moving upward toward seventh density. When you raise your knowledge, your awareness, to a certain level, you can move to the next level. When we move from third to fourth density, at that point, we have the ability to visualize and decide what our reality is. We create reality from fourth level on. So, at one point, there may not be a solid reality. It may all be energy, we would be light beings, so to speak. We could change that just by thinking about it and making a solid reality. Or, as solid as we wish. This point also, from fourth density up, there is no such thing as time as we perceive it. Our perception of time only exists in the first three densities. Each density perceives it differently.
( RS) What we perceive as back and forth in time, when we go to the fourth level, it doesn’t exist anymore. Beings on that level can move back and forth through our density of time because, for them, it doesn’t exist. It is all now. It is only one time.
( L) It is like a whole bunch of different doors, one says 1917, one says 1943, or whatever, and they can walk through whichever one they wish...
( T) There is the Realm Border. The Earth is moving into a 4th density area of space. Or it is moving toward us, or both. This Realm Border, this crossover between densities, and it’s also a crossover between dimensions - a quick sidebar on dimensions: dimensions, according to the Cassiopaeans are lateral realities; all possible realities of a density level, an infinite number; there is a difference between density and dimension.
( RS) This is a fascinating meeting because the answers to the question about moving mathematically from the third level to the fourth level, this change in the units, the answer is exactly what is proposed in my book. The answer, as given, is possible...
( T) We have been told that the universe teems with life at all levels, and that humans are just one selection.
( L) And what they are saying, I think, is that this oncoming realm border, this density change, is being felt and is stimulating consciousness. Essentially what has been said is that what is coming up for us is the ending of a Grand Cycle. A Grand Cycle is 300,000 years...
( T) Give or take a day... (L) ...as we measure time. At the beginning of this Grand Cycle, we were genetically altered to reduce our awareness and also genetically altered through our DNA to perceive time itself. It is in our DNA to be limited this way. Now, at the end of this 300,000 year cycle, a lot of people are reassembling this broken DNA as a result of the changes in energy, and that this is causing their mental powers and perceptions to expand exponentially. I think that they are telling you that this energy is acting on you in a way to allow you to have the breakthrough that you need to finish the puzzle that you have been working on. By having the concepts that you are being given now, you will be able to hold this as a visual and this will give you the key.
(RS) I notice that if the question is not properly phrased...
( L) You don’t get your answer! Be specific.
A: Careful not to confuse with too much data that is not connected in the same concept arena, as visitor is concerned primarily with one direction; in order to familiarize let data be absorbed on schedule comfortable to researcher! Like trying to learn mathematics in broken dosages!

Q: (L) They are telling us not to tell you too much at once because it will take you away from the central question you are working on. (RS) Also, I think we should report this work to the MUFON group! (T) We offered to do this at the meeting and they don’t want to do it. This does not fall within MUFON’s guidelines.
( L) It is not nuts and bolts.
( RS) But this has answered all the questions for the article! In an incredible way! It has answered all the fundamental questions.
( J) This is the first time that we have had someone present who has the technical background to understand what is going on and what kind of communication we are receiving.
( RS) Yes, it has me excited!
A: His energy has effect upon group.

Q: (RS) Two short questions and then I will stop...
A: Ask as many as you desire!

Q: (RS) In our level three, does the use of anti-matter change the sign of the unit? Does this imply the reversal of the sign of the unit of space and time?
A: Yes, but problem has always been for level three entities, that the “other” side is uncharted, therefore experimentation is not recommended, unless with assistance from level four through six STO.

Q: (RS) That is an incredible answer because this is traveling in time. First they said that by using energy you can change the numerical value of the units, and from this _______ you can make a ________ show. Now the question: how you can go backward in time; by changing the sign of the unit: plus one second and we move forward, if that unit is changed to minus one second, we move backward. So the question, whether by using anti-matter we can move backward. But their answer was saying... precisely, that we are moving from level three to level four. Last question and then I am through.
A: Not correct, Roger!

Q: (L) It’s not going to be your last question! [Laughter] (J) They already said to ask as many as you desire!
A: This session has been designated for you! That is why we arranged for you to be here!! You are about to embark upon an extensive tour, whereby you will be communicating and networking, and in fact studying and researching with others of similar paths. The learning and knowledge gain that will result from this sojourn will have extremely major implications! Therefore, consider this to be your “night!” [Note: It seems that the “sojourn” could be either the session or the trip.]

Q: (RS) They insist on it! Then, I have another very important question! In Greece, at this time, at the University of Santia (?), the nuclear physics laboratory at the University, there is a potentially fundamental experiment going on based on my studies and this book here, [displays book] to search for fundamentally new source of energy by bombarding zinc 70 or molybdenum 100 via Gamma with 1.294 MeV energy. Will the experiment be successful...
( Carla) Ah ah... they will not answer that! (J) They may not touch that one....
( RS) Will zinc 70 be a new source of energy? Can these substances be new sources of energy?
A: All of the experiments you speak of share one thing in common: They all “touch the borderline” from the perspective of the third density side.
 

Q: (T) When you talked about using the anti-matter they said: “Yes” you can work with it, but you are only getting it on one side and you can’t get to fourth density side unless you have someone working with you from over there, you have to find a fourth density being to help you here... but you are touching it, you are at the edge of where you can go in third density...
( RS) Will you help us?
(Carla) Yes, let’s be practical! [Laughter]
A: Terry did not give exactly correct answer. It is possible to cross over into fourth density from third, using third density technology. In fact, this has already been accomplished by various individuals and groups on a more or less accidental basis, the problem is “what does one do when one reaches fourth density reality with only third density training and experience?”

Q: (L) Could you, if we spent the time, help us with this training and technology?
A: Yes, but what do you intend to use it for? This is not like going to DisneyWorld for a day, you know!

Q: (Susan) They sure told you, Laura! [Laughter] (T) I guess then that what Roger is working on is hitting the edge of third density and it can cross over! My question is: if a crossover is accomplished, will the experimenters know what has happened? What will they do? Will they be aware that they have just stepped into the twilight zone, so to speak. Opening that up is a door, or a window, and stuff can go both ways! (L) We were told that the members of the famous Flight 19 are frozen in a time warp and are still trying to get their bearings! They think no time has passed. (RS) In this type of theory, this is very plausible! (L) Well, you don’t want to find yourself in a similar position! (T) Yeah, Carla will be on the phone asking: “When is Roger coming home?” And you will be over in fourth density asking: “How do I get home from this one!” [Laughter] (J) I have a question: If it is not like going to DisneyWorld, does the ride ever end?
A: Too complex, your query is too vague.

Q: (J) I was just making a joke! (T) Mirth, mirth! (RS) Did they answer the question as to whether they will help us?
( L) They said yes.
A: What is your knowledge quotient regarding following: electromagnetism, Einstein’s “unified field theory.” And did he ever complete said theory, or was it completed under the supervision of consortium, and suppressed. And if so, what are the ramifications!!! Also, Roger, are you capable of “filling in the blanks,” we think so! [Laura’s note: I don’t think they mean the “blanks” of the unified field theory, but rather reading between the lines of this answer! What, exactly, are the ramifications of research in this direction?]
 

Q: (RS) From the third level there cannot be a unification of electromagnetism and gravitation because they are identical. There is an identity between electromagnetism and gravitation. So, there is no need of the unification because they are identical. Is this view correct?
A: Yes. What about fourth level?

Q: (T) What does this mean for fourth level?
( RS) To my understanding to the third level, this is where the possibility to go up a level comes in. If gravitation and electromagnetism are identical, then anti-gravity exists. The origin of anti-gravity is not unification. Einstein was wrong, but the identification that they are the same implies the existence of anti-gravity.
A: Wrong when searching on level three density exclusively, but this is where the Consortium comes in, i.e. “Can of Worms.” [Note: “Wrong” is referring to Einstein’s theory.]

Q: (T) It is considered known to the general public that Einstein did not complete his Unified Field Theory, but that may be a falsehood. Part of the disinformation campaign.
( RS) From what we know, Einstein failed to achieve the Unified Field Theory because the assumptions were not realizable.
( T) Maybe his ideas were taken and completed by someone else and suppressed. [Roger sits at board] (RS) Can I ask a question? The origin of the mass of an elementary particle is primarily electromagnetic, therefore, the gravitational field of elementary particle must be primarily of electromagnetic nature. That’s why the view at level three is, outside mass, the gravitation and electromagnetism are identical. This is our belief at this time, supported by experimental evidence. Why is this wrong? I need an explanation.
A: Not wrong at level three, wrong to limit to 3rd level.

Q: (RS) Is it true that the universe has equal amounts of matter and anti-matter as seen from level three?
A: Yes, all others as well.

Q: (RS) Then it is true that the total time in the universe is null?
A: Yes.

Q: (RS) This is incredible!
A: But, Roger less pressure! [Roger lightens up] ...thank you. Now, remember, most important concept is balance. How is balance achieved?

Q: (L) I guess that whatever there is one of, there is one of the opposite. (RS) Matter and anti-matter. So, if matter is flowing in this direction of time, anti-matter is flowing the other way. They balance each other. (J) STO and STS. We have to have both. This is my question of the total time of the universe which is zero. If we flow this way, maybe others in another galaxy are flowing another way. The sum is zero.
A: Not galaxy, dimension.

Q: (RS) Yes. Another level. I always think at level three!
A: Not any more! [Laughter]

Q: (RS) How can we represent mathematically the identification of gravity and electromagnetism, including the fourth level that you suggest? How can this be done? How can the inclusion of the fourth level be realized?
A: We asked you to visualize for answers. It is always there for you to discover.

Q: (RS) It is not going to be easy, but I am going to give it a try.
A: What ever is?

Q: (RS) The question is how to represent mathematically the transition to the fourth level. I think that this can be done by the isogeometries, the geometry which we discussed earlier, which is generalization of the unit of space and time...
A: Geometry is one key, but there is another.

Q: (L) What is the other key? Maybe its a three dimensional matrix. (RS) That’s what we use. We also use the cubic.
( L) Could you give us a clue. Just a little clue.
( RS) Give us the formula!
A: Have already... access...

Q: (L) They say they already have. Well, you know, all the time when I type these transcripts, I constantly find that things have been said that I didn’t realize at the time the import.
( RS) We should have a session... because this is confirmation of the only mathematical model we have of the UFOs... the only one that exists as far as I know. We have a computer model... we cannot build a UFO, we don’t have the technology, but we can put the formula into the computer and get a model.
A: Merge geometry with optics.

Q: (RS) What?! It is the science of light.
( L) Geometric light?
A: Matrix.

Q: (RS) That is precisely what I have done. I’ve done a representation of light represented by a unit which is a matrix. I have already done this! Years ago!
A: But you left out one important factor, remember, hypothesis does not theory make!

Q: (RS) I made a conceptual hypothesis in my mind. That’s not a theory. It has to be formulated in a quantitative way, that’s the mathematics, the formula, and then this has to be proven experimentally that it works. Hypothesis, formula, and experimental verification is the process for a theory.
A: Now, what factor was missing, Roger?

Q: (L) What is it?
( RS) I don’t know.
( L) Maybe it’s because you didn’t factor in fourth density?
( RS) Oh yes! That’s for sure! (J) Maybe that’s the missing factor.
( RS) But how... I do not know how to express it mathematically...
A: Light waves... gravity... electromagnetism...

Q: (L) They are toying with you. [Laughter] (J) What is this, multiple choice?
(RS) I have to think it over. In isogeometry...
A: What role do waves play in third level understanding of physics?

Q: (RS) Transverse oscillation of the ether... the medium that fills up the entire universe. No wave can exist unless there is a medium to propagate it. Transverse oscillations fill up the entire universe.
A: Light, gravity, optics, atomic particles, matter, anti- matter... unify, please.

Q: (RS) That lists everything...
( J) What do they all have in common?
( RS) Oh! All of them are vibrations of the medium that fills up the universe! We perceive things, everything, even spaces between things. Reality is the opposite of this. Because light is a wave, like sound. If you remove the air, sound cannot propagate. Light is the same thing. Light is a wave and cannot propagate unless there is a medium that fills up the entire universe. So what we perceive as being solid and empty is not true perception. The whole universe is filled with the vibration of this medium. So, without the medium, there would be darkness. So, light is an oscillation of this medium. A particle is also an oscillation only the wave propagates and the oscillation stays there. So when I move my hand from here to here, I have just moved the oscillation. The space is oscillating. We are completely empty, but space is filled up. So, the answer is that what they have in common is that they are all oscillations of this medium that fills up the entire universe as perceived from third level and I think from fourth.
( L) Maybe they are talking about it in a spectral sense?
( RS) They could be...
A: Now, what relation between gravity and light?

Q: (RS) I do not know. At this moment in my studies, I do not know. (L) Maybe that is the key?
( RS) Light can be converted into matter, therefore there is gravitation.
( L) But, what could the relation between gravity and light be? [Laura’s Note: What about time? Since, at the speed of light there is no matter and no gravity and no time, maybe the three are different ways of describing the same thing? Maybe time is an electromagnetic, gravity producing phenomenon or vice versa which has a byproduct: matter???]
A: Access knowledge base and network.

Q: (L) They said discuss it.
( RS) The only connection between light and gravitation... the photon and the photon produces a pair of electron and positron, particles and anti-particles, and those particles have gravitation. So, in this way electromagnetic waves... a photon can create matter...
( L) And matter has gravity...
( RS) And matter has gravity, so... it can be converted...
( L) But where does it come from?
( RS) That is a good question because it isn’t known. It could come from a vacuum...
( L) But how does it happen?
( RS) In experiments in the laboratory, you shoot a photon at a nucleus and the nucleus spits one electron and one positron, and so you have conversion of photon into particles. Those particles have gravitation. I do not know if a photon has gravitation. I don’t think so, it travels at the speed of light. There is no time. Time is suspended.
( L) Okay, is it true that at the speed of light, there is no gravity?
( RS) There is no gravity.
( L) Okay, then maybe the speed of light is the antithesis of gravity just as anti-matter is the opposite of matter?
( RS) That is a good point. A very good point!
A: Close.

Q: (J) Is it about balance?
A: All is.

Q: (L) If at the speed of light there is no gravity...
( RS) There is no time...
( L) Then gravity must be...
( J) What keeps us in third density...
( RS) The clue... But is the missing clue... are we discussing the missing point to go from the third to the fourth density?
A: Yes.

Q: (RS) Then the point is valid.
( J) Is gravity what keeps us in third density?
(RS) So, then if you go at the speed of light then you are in fourth density.
A: Now, what is missing factor which allows third density and fourth density matter to achieve light speed without disintegration? Think...

Q: (RS) That is the fundamental question of nuclear physics... matter cannot reach the speed of light intact...
( J) Anti-gravity?
( RS) Even by using anti- gravity. At this moment, matter cannot do this...
( L) Okay, if you have some matter and this matter is speeding up, and it is approaching the speed of light and it is losing its integrity the faster it goes, what if, at some point you start incrementally adding anti-matter which...
( RS) Use the inverse process... take an electron and positron and put one inside the other and recreate the photon. But matter cannot reach the speed of light... if it does, time stops... there is no dimension...
( L) Maybe it is consciousness?
( J) Awareness?
( RS) If it is awareness, yes...
( L) Can you factor in consciousness mathematically?
(RS) Yes, of course!
A: What is the missing link between matter and consciousness?

Q: (RS) Ah! (L) If we knew these things we wouldn’t be here! [Laughter] (RS) It is supposed to be a field.
( J) Is it EM?
( RS) No, a bioenergetic field.
(L) What if consciousness creates gravity?
( RS) Gravity is created by matter. (L) But isn’t matter created by consciousness? Don’t we collapse the wave by observing it?
( RS) Yes, the mind can create matter...
A: There are no “gravitons.”

Q: (RS) Not to my knowledge. They do not exist. They are in Einstein’s theory, but I will never believe it... Does our consciousness create gravity?
A: Getting “warmer.” Not “our.”

Q: (L) Somebody else’s consciousness creates gravity?
( RS) Fourth level.
A: Level Seven.

Q: (RS) Oh yes! That I can understand! The ultimate level. Is it true that the universe, as perceived from level three, which is expected to be made up of equal amounts of matter and anti-matter, is, in actuality, open? That is, is matter continuously created somewhere in the universe? Matter and anti-matter?
A: Better word would be: Recycled.

Q: (RS) Is it true that the same recycling occurs in the center of the earth. There is a theory that the earth is expanding. I heard this at a congress, that the earth is expanding in diameter precisely because the center of the earth is in process of the creation of matter. Is this correct?
A: Off base, but all concepts are valid within unified dimensionality.

Q: (L) I guess that in some alternate universe that may be happening, it just doesn’t happen to be here.
( RS) My biggest problem has never been new knowledge, but politics, particularly the politics on Einstein. Is the can of worms mentioned before, can you give me anything on this? As soon as you go beyond Einstein, there are all sorts of problems, political problems in our contemporary society. Any suggestions?
A: Political problems have root in effort to suppress knowledge already gained in limited quarters for purposes of control of civilization.
 

Q: (RS) That is the best answer I ever heard. Very, very good.
( T) I have two questions to ask. About experiments that are pushing the borderline between third and fourth density... what happens when the experiment reaches the barrier? What can we expect?
A: Depends on individual circumstances, as we already have told you, this has already happened many times.

Q: (L) The Philadelphia Experiment, I suppose...
( J) Flight 19... (T) Okay, those have had negative ramifications. What are the implications, reaching the densities, without understanding of what has been done?
A: Already answered.

Q: (L) Yeah, they talked about that. Insanity.
( J) Yes, and the people who thought they found Flight 19 went nutzoid. When the researchers reach the barrier, will they recognize that something has happened?
A: Partially.

Q: (T) When the barriers have been breached so many times, can it be stopped?
In other words, can the breaches be repaired?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) That’s assuming that they don’t close automatically.
( T) Do they close automatically once the activity is stopped? No, that’s too vague. While I was walking around outside smoking my cigar, I was getting the image that one of the reasons that Roger is here tonight is to experience this, but also to see and read what we give you. We are not making this up. It is coming from somewhere. There is substance to this information. Roger is going to Europe. You have colleagues in Europe who are working on these very same things. The Cassiopaeans have indicated that you are on the edge of opening this barrier. That this can be done, it has been done with disastrous results the few times that we know of and possibly other times that we do not know of. What I am getting at is, part of the reason you are here and seeing this may be because you need to take this information with you because when they breach these barriers, they need to understand what they have done. Because, if they don’t there is a possibility that what is transpiring naturally will be accelerated. Does artificial breaching of the barrier between the densities accelerate...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) That may be why when we ask how long this process is going to take, this oncoming density change, they answer “one month to 18 years.” And we were thinking that maybe they can’t tell how long it is going to take for this transition point, this realm border to come through our section of space/time and do whatever it does. Maybe what they are referring to is not that, but what people might do in terms of breaching the barrier unknowingly. They are stretching what they know, and pushing onward, but they don’t understand what this is all about.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) You just had the survival of the whole of civilization moved onto your shoulders, Roger! [Laughter] Laura has been sitting here week after week saying “I don’t want the whole burden of the world on my shoulders!” Roger, you just got part of it! (RS) Part of it, yes. I was the technical advisor on the book, “The Andreasson Affair,” because she made all sorts of drawings of things she saw on spacecraft. Any comment on the _________ Research Institute in Italy?
A: Institute is controlled by Carboni “Foundation,” which is linked to questionable funding sources; no need to be disappointed, however, as knowledge protects. Therefore one can work in any environment without corruption when armed with knowledge.

Q: (RS) I don’t understand.
( J) Maybe you need to find out about it...
( L) I don’t think you need to worry about it.
( RS) What about Cardone?
( Carla) The board said Carboni...
( RS) Who is the guy we are talking to on the board?
A: Guy?

Q: [Laughter] (RS) Did they say Cardone or Carboni?
A: Carboni Foundation.

Q: (RS) There is no foundation named this! (L) Well, there may be funding coming from there.
( RS) Not from Carboni...
( Carla) Wait and see...

[Good night to Carla and Roger]

Discussion: (L) As you demolecularize moving toward the speed of light, it can be represented as a cone shape. The point of the cone is the speed of light, a sort of singularity, and as you reach this point, this is where you apply the remolecularizer, because maybe you remolecularize as you emerge into an opposite funnel on the other side. I wonder if the Transdimensional Atomic Remolecularizer is a device that applies anti-matter in incremental, graduated doses, for lack of a better word, as you are speeded up? At one end you have light which has no gravity, no time, no mass. At the other end we have gravity, time and mass. What is the transition? Of the three pairs we were given, they each seem to be opposite to each other: Light and gravity, optics and atomic particles, matter and anti-matter...
( J) It’s all about balance. What is the relation between gravity and light? What is the missing factor which allows third density and fourth density matter to achieve light speed without disintegration? What is the missing link between matter and consciousness?
( L) What is the missing link? Well, I think the relationship is right there. What is it that slows down light causing photons to manifest, collapsing the wave, so to speak, and creating matter?
( J) It may be that this same factor that allows third density to achieve light speed without disintegration. What is the missing link between matter and consciousness?
( L) Well, the relationship is there. We were told we were getting close when we said “consciousness” but that it was not our consciousness, but that of level seven. [Laura’s note: Could electromagnetism be the “field” of the consciousness of “God” or level seven that crosses all densities? Cayce once remarked that “God is electricity.” Is there some range of electromagnetism in the human consciousness that can be detected, amplified, augmented by controlled electromagnetic waves?] (J) They said that “creation” was a recycling.

Q: (L) Are you still there?
A: As always, Laura, do you think we go out to lunch or something?

Q: [Laughter]
A: You keep asking if we are here?!?

Q: (J) They are always here, in us. We are all interconnected.
( T) We are them, they are us, right here! (L) Okay, guys, we are so glad you know so much physics. And, since you do, or, since “we” know so much physics...
( T) Did you enjoy talking to Roger and would you like to talk to him again?
A: Yes. Will.

Q: (L) Am I getting warm when I say... we have light and gravity, optics and atomic particles, matter and anti- matter, all are ways of talking about a transition... are these three pairs of relationships?
A: Close.

Q: (L) What is the thing that collapses the wave function?
A: ?

Q: (L) Is it consciousness?
A: Yes...

Q: (L) There is more. Can this consciousness be expressed...
( T) We are trying to get from a third density concept to a fourth density concept where there is no physicality, per se. At fourth density they don’t have a problem with going at the speed of light and disintegrating, because it doesn’t exist there...
A: Close.

Q: (T) So, for us to try and think of this in third density...
A: Variable physicality is the key.

Q: (L) What makes the physicality variable?
A: Awareness of link between consciousness and matter.

Q: (L) What is the link between consciousness and matter?
A: Illusion.

Q: (L) What is the nature of the illusion?
( T) That there isn’t any connection between consciousness and matter. It is only an illusion that there is. It is part of the third density...
A: No. Illusion is that there is not.

Q: (L) The illusion is that there is no link between consciousness and matter.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The illusion is that there is not a link. In third density... (L) I got it! (T) Don’t disappear on me now! [Laughter] The relationship is that consciousness is matter.
A: Close. What about vice versa?

Q: (L) Just reverse everything. Light is gravity. Optics are atomic particles, matter is anti-matter... just reverse everything to understand the next level... it can’t be that easy.
( J) Wait a second: gravity equals light, atomic particles equals optics, anti-matter equals matter? It is all about balance.
( L) And the answer must always be zero.
A: And zero is infinity.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that it is not that there is a link, the illusion is that there is separation. There is no difference, they are the same?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) If you warp space/time you travel by bringing your destination to you.
( L) Or, you can reverse that and understand that there is no distance between us and, say, Alpha Centauri, it is the alteration of perception that turns the axis and creates the illusion of distance.
A: Now, all you need is the “technology.”

Q: (T) The technology is being developed right now.
( J) The technology has probably already been developed, it is just suppressed.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I have a very strange sense that this interaction has ramifications?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) A hint?
A: We could but won’t at this “time.”

Q: (T) Are these major ramifications?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there anything further for this evening?
( T) Do we need to impart anything further to ourselves?
A: No.

Q: (L) Then we will say thank you and good-night.
A: Good night.

End of Session
 

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May 31, 1995

Freddie, Laura, SV

Q: Hello.
A: Hello. S__ Vitale!

Q: (L) I have been feeling that the group, as a whole, is under attack. What can we do about it?
A: Will work itself out. Power struggles within groups are quite natural at
level three STS.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t know what they mean by “power struggles.” I just know that I feel uneasy and a tension in the air. What power is there to struggle for? We are all just who we are.
( SV) You don’t need to worry about it and get yourself into a frantic state! (L) Well, it seems that we are all being confronted with some of the lines we have drawn in the sands of life and all the things we think of as “musts” or “shoulds” or “ought tos,” our internal parent self, so to speak are having to be dealt with. I think that maybe what we need to look at is that lines don’t need to be drawn. We just all need to do what is in front of us to be done and not try to control each other or decide what is best for each other and just be accepting.
A: All will settle like sand in a jar of water.

Q: (L) That is interesting. I used the idea of lines in the sand and the you use the analogy of sand shaken up in water. Is it a good idea to not print up or send out any more brochures? I was very upset by the giving out of the information with the names not altered or deleted.
A: It was not Jan in charge of that.

Q: (L) Who was in charge of that?
A: Open. Do not assume that was a negative decision.

Q: (L) So, this is ultimately beneficial?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) So, this was a protective measure or device?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Approximately how long before this tension in the group will go away?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) And there is nothing we can do to help?
A: Not issue.

Q: (L) What is the issue?
A: Let it be.

Q: (SV) Quit worrying.
( L) Okay, I will. Next question. Roger Santilli called me about Reiki for his eyes. He said he was diagnosed with macular degeneration. Is this the correct diagnosis?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the cause of this?
A: Genetic.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done to halt or reverse it?
A: Open.

Q: (SV) Will the Cayce files help in this?
A: Cannot hurt.

Q: (L) Why can you not give us some sort of information to help out here?
A: Level one karmic situation.

Q: (L) Will Reiki help this?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is there anything else that you can give us on this?
A: If so, you will discover it an another point in space time.

Q: (L) Michael Lindemann gave a very interesting talk on the subject of angels. Apparently there are a lot of people seeing and claiming to interact with angels. Can you tell us about angels?
A: Be specific.

Q: (L) Are there such things as angels?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are angels as they have been described: very tall, beautiful beings with wings or whatever?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who are the angels?
A: Refer to the transcript.

Q: (L) I don’t think we have ever mentioned angels in the transcript.
A: Not by name. See the second session. [The Zendar or Zindar Council?]

Q: (SV) There is a book out called “Mary’s Message to the World” by Ann Kirkwood. Is this book a transmission from the Virgin Mary?
A: No.

Q: (L) Who is this transmission from?
A: Various thought centers.

Q: (L) Why do these thought centers identify themselves as the Virgin Mary?
A: For purposes of familiarity.

Q: (L) Are these thought centers STS or STO?
A: Open. Discover by studying previously given information. You should review the material regularly, not just to familiarize yourselves with data, but also to learn by piecing together thought pattern segments!

Q: (L) If I remember correctly, there have been numerous presentations of the Virgin Mary put forward for disinformation purposes by the STS groups. Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Have there also been presentations of the Virgin Mary put forward by the STO groups?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, depending upon the results, and the teaching, that would be what would enable one to determine whether it is STO or STS?
A: Partly.

Q: (L) Is there some other measuring stick that we can use to determine whether teachings are correct or incorrect?
A: Wisdom by way of instincts; all there is is lessons.

Q: (SV) I was thinking about that earlier today. If you are under attack, how do you know if your instincts are correct?
( L) Are instincts different from emotions?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) How can you tell the difference between instinctive knowledge and emotional reactions?
A: Emotions involve wishful thinking, instincts are “gut feelings,” psychic in nature, and are stronger. When it is wishful thinking, there is always psychic instinct seeping through which you can access if you use reason and examine your lessons of the past.

Q: (L) Well, for example, the lady at the MUFON meeting on Saturday, her response to Terry’s comments on channeled material as being STS, was that we were focusing on the darkness, or negativity, and that people who focus on darkness or negativity experience same. Could you comment on this please?
A: What do your instincts tell you?

Q: (L) My instincts tell me that she is wanting to believe so strongly and emotionally, that the aliens who have been abducting her are good guys, and that somehow she is so laden with an internal guilt complex that she believes that she deserves that kind of treatment, and that anything that is to the contrary, she rejects as wrong and evil.
A: Okay.

Q: (L) And, futhermore, it occurred to me that a person who really focuses on the darkness with the intention of participation is someone who moves away from the light and goes into the darkness, whereas someone who focuses on the darkness with the intention of diminishing it, keeps the light close to their back, and uses it to energize their own light so that they can illuminate the darkness. Is that correct?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) And, that someone who only looks at light, has their back turned to the darkness, not only are they blinded by the light, but they are also casting a shadow behind them.
A: “The Emperor is wearing new clothes.”

Q: (L) Am I the one who is thinking the Emperor is wearing new clothes?
( F) I would think that anyone who is hung up on the idea that there is nothing but light as long as you are willing to only see light is believing that the Emperor is wearing new clothes.
( L) Is Freddie correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) On Saturday I also met Nova Montgomery and her husband. They wanted us to take the session over to their house because they don’t smoke and are apparently not willing to submit to our environment. My instinctive reaction to that was “no, forget it.” Since that time, I have had other gut reactions to that, that there was some sort of “power play” going on there.
A: Open.

Q: (L) Would it be alright for us to take the session over to these people’s house?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t want to and Freddie doesn’t want to.
( SV) Well, all of us smoke. It wouldn’t make sense to go somewhere that we can’t smoke and be put outside like something dirty.
( L) Yeah! We couldn’t indulge our nasty habits and be dirty and messy and play! Nah! Forget that! (L) In my aura photograph, there is a patch of green on my chest. In Cayce’s book on the subject, he says that light greens represent falsehood. I am very concerned about this.
A: Worry not.

Q: (SV) Well, in your case, it is a deep green next to a clear yellow, not a pastel or pale green. Maybe you need to eat more fruit!
A: Worry not, you know who and what you are, remember, instinct!!

Q: (L) Well, Freddie had a very beautiful aura. Why are others not more positive toward this knowledge?
A: Jealousy.

Q: (L) Well, that was pretty plain. What are others jealous of?
A: Power struggle.

Q: (L) Why are people jealous of us and why do they want to try to control us?
A: Fear being left behind.

Q: (L) Well, nobody is going to be left behind unless they make themselves disagreeable.
( SV) Well, I dreamed that we all need to wash our dirty laundry, so I got up and put a load in! [Laughter] (L) Was J__ W__ correct that a person can change their aura by just thinking about it?
A: No.

Q: (SV) It is what you are! (L) Our ability to see or perceive, blue, according to some researchers, is very recent. Natives who live on the Blue Nile describe it as brown, Homer described the Mediterranean as the “Wine dark sea,” and Aristotle said there were only three colors in the rainbow: red, yellow and green. Is this true, that the human race, in general, has only recently become able to see blue?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this a reflection of the spirituality of the color blue?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Obviously there are colors beyond blue, and as we attain greater spirituality, we will be able to see them as well, is this true?
A: Yes.

Q: (SV) When you look at a rainbow you can see a shimmer or haze on either side.
( L) Could it be that as a result of constant straining to see at higher frequencies, some people’s eyes suffer?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Could this be a problem with people in spiritual or personal development?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) I have read a number of things recently purportedly channeled by the “Great White Brotherhood.” I would like to know if there is such a thing?
A: No.

Q: (L) There is no “Great White Brotherhood?” (SV) How come Edgar Cayce talked about it?
A: Not as such.

Q: (L) What is it that they have been calling the “Great White Brotherhood?”
A: ?

Q: (L) What is the Great White Brotherhood that Cayce was referring to?
A: Various STO.

Q: (L) Do they identify themselves as the Great White Brotherhood?
A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) If they are not the “Great White Brotherhood,” what are they?
A: Fourth density STO.

Q: (L) What is their purpose or work?
A: Complex, suggest you wait and see.

Q: (L) Are we going to be contacted by the Great White Brotherhood?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the Anasazi tribe that lived in the cliff dwellings?
A: Nothing remarkable.

Q: (SV) I have a book on the Brotherhood... I get all kinds of things in the mail... one is from a guy who is supposed to be an extraterrestrial... I’ll have to bring it...
( L) What could we use to represent 7th density as a mathematical symbol?
A: Try this: [draws figure eight on side in ellipse]

Q: (L) When you get to the point of the Big Bang, or mass disbursement, what mathematical symbol would represent that? Plus, minus, multiply or divide?
A: NAB

Q: (L) Do you mean none of the above?
A: Close.

Q: (L) What mathematical operation would represent this?
A: You have not yet discovered.

Q: (L) What kind of mathematical operation would take place at the point of the Big Bang?
A: One continuous cycling.

Q: (L) The transition of seventh density to the density where the cycling begins is from seventh to sixth or from seventh to first?
A: Neither.

Q: (L) Does it go from seventh to all densities simultaneously?
A: Closer.

Q: (L) Can this be expressed mathematically?
A: Maybe. Access your own channel.

Q: (L) What is my own channel?
A: You know.

Q: (L) I thought you were my channel?
A: We are group channel.

Q: (L) How can I access my own channel?
A: You have done it numerous times.

Q: (L) Was this what I was doing the other morning after Roger Santilli was here?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Am I correct when I say gravity is time?
A: Close.

Q: (L) And gravity is the manifestation of time as put into effect by the limitation of third density consciousness illusion?
A: Closer.

Q: (L) Can this be expressed mathematically?
A: Go for it!

Q: (L) Freddie, help me out here! (F) I can’t help you out. You’ve blazed a trail into the woods all by yourself and I don’t know how to find you. You have been told you can do it. This is obviously your forte. They told you to go for it. What do you want, a shortcut?
( L) I want the formula! (SV) What about the thrill of discovery?
( L) What about the agony of defeat.
( SV) The agony of defeat...
( L) That’s what you get after shopping all day! [Laughter] (L) I want it so bad! I don’t feel capable! (Fred) Of course you are! (SV) If you can think of the question you can access the answer.
A: Time to say goodnight!

Q: (L) Good night.

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June 3, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom French, Cherie Diez, SV

 

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (T) I’m running on low energy.
( L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Sorrillora.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) We have guests this evening; this is Tom and Cherie.
A: Hello Tom and Cherie.

Q: (L) Tom has a question.
A: Surely.

Q: (TF) What happened to my grandfather’s watch?
A: Which one?

Q: (L) Which grandfather?
( TF) Paternal.
( L) Okay, what happened to Tom’s paternal grandfather’s gold pocketwatch?
A: Under water.

Q: (T) Under what water?
A: It is clear with some silt or sand.

Q: (TF) What is that?
( L) I don’t think you are going to get a name because that is an artificial designation.
A: Visual reference. Shines in the sunlight, slipped off when attention was distracted.

Q: (TF) Did it slip off by itself or did someone take it?
A: Rubbed metal surface.

Q: (TF) Where was my father at the time?
A: At church.

Q: (L) Does that make any sense?
( TF) Well, maybe.
( T) Do you know where the watch is?
( TF) No.
( SV) Find out where he went to church and see if there is any water around there.
( L) Maybe his father was nowhere near at the time.
( TF) My father never went to church; he was an athiest. Did my father have anything to do with the disappearance?
A: No.

Q: (T) Was his father at church? You say his father was at church; Tom says his father didn’t go to church. Why was his father at church? A: Not only reason one goes to a church, think!

Q: (J) It might have been a meeting of some kind...
( T) A wedding; a funeral...
( TF) You’re right. It’s not that he never set foot inside a church.
( F) He’s not that much of an athiest! (T) Especially weddings; there’s food after weddings! (TF) Okay, well, one more and then I’ll be quiet! Was the watch lost or was it taken?
A: Lost.

Q: (L) Has this bugged you a long time?
( TF) Not too long. A while. (L) I have a question to ask about Tom. Tom had a dream that he shared with me, and I think he wouldn’t mind sharing it with the group. Tom?
( TF) In the dream I am on an ocean liner. There are other people on board the ship, but I am not talking to them. I’m not with my friends or family. I am by myself. I among all these people, but I am not with them. It is a long journey. I walk back and forth on deck. Finally we come to a city, a major city, a seaport. I get off the ship; I walk through the city; I walk through the center of the city to the outskirts, into the countryside. The countryside is red; reddish all around. The streets are no longer paved; now they are dirt, red dirt. I come to a big house with a white picket fence under the shadow of a mountain. I know that I am supposed to be in this house. I go inside the house, there are other people there. Again, I am not talking with them when I first get there, and as the days begin to pass I do begin to talk to them and they begin to talk to me. I begin to feel better. Suddenly, in the dream, I realize that when I was first walking through the city toward the house, I was a dog; in the early days when I had first been in the house, I was being transformed into a human being, and that all the other people in the house were once animals; and that that was why we were at the house, to learn how to become a human being. It had something to do with the power of the mountain.
( L) Now, the question I have is: is there some significance to this dream that you can comment on? A: Not of great significance in a psychic sense, merely a reflection of the subject’s awareness of metamorphosis within his own life path.
(L) Well, that was Tom’s interpretation and it blew my theory all to hell! (T) What was your theory?
( L) Well, I was just sure he was an alien and he came to Earth on this big ship from the Dog Star, Sirius...
( J) To Georgia!! [Laughter] I liked my interpretation better! (T) Make for a heck of a book! (SV) She’s been watching too many of those UfO videos!
A: Active imagination!

Q: (L) Well, I got told! Now, our questions. Why did the Incas and other South American cultures create their cultural environment in mountainous areas where they were forced to terrace to grow food, whereas the European culture developed on level terrain, mined in the mountains...
( T) And a lot of them starved because they didn’t use the mountains correctly...
A: Mountains were of a different nature in two cases.
 

Q: (L) So, the mountainous terrain was more fertile in one area than the other; is that the point we are getting at here?
A: Bingo!

Q: (J) That was what I thought.
( T) Did the Europeans try terrace farming?
A: No.

Q: (L) Why?
( T) Yeah, they built aqueducts, why not terraces?
A: Why should they try something unnecessary?

Q: (T) Why was it unnecessary?
( L) No, we know that. They had plenty of arable land that was flat. Why was it necessary in South America?
(J) Because they didn’t. They had to use what they had.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Works for me! (L) It was said in a previous transmission that the area around my house was a “multiple reality station.” Is this because of our activities, or is this a pre-existing condition of this house and general location?
A: Two questions.

Q: (L) Is this because of our activities?
A: Partially.

Q: (L) Is it also a pre-existing condition of this area?
A: In a roundabout way.

Q: (L) Does this have anything to do with the purported tunnel beneath the house?
A: Ditto last response.

Q: (L) Okay, you say “in a roundabout way.” What is the roundabout way? What is the relationship?
A: Crustal energy flow patterns.

Q: (Terrry) What is crustal energy?
A: Self-explanatory.

Q: (T) Okay, it’s the energy that is flowing through the crust we are talking about, or the energy the crust is making... we are talking plate tectonics here?
( J) Yes, plate tectonics?
A: Too many comments.

Q: (T) Are we talking plate tectonics?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are we talking about electromagnetism?
A: Close.

Q: (T) How close to electromagnetism?
( L) How close can you get?
( T) Right!
[Laughter]
A: Related.

Q: (L) Okay, is this an energy flow pattern that is significantly different at this point in space/time as opposed to, say...
( J) Our house? A: Not correct concept.

Q: (J) It’s not related to space and time?
A: You are getting “colder.”

Q: (L) It is not related to space/time. Is it related to a gridwork of energy?
A: Not gridwork, more like “halo.”

Q: (T) A corona?
( L) Like an aura?
( J) Is it like an aura?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The planet’s aura?
A: Variations within flow.

Q: (L) Is this particular location beneficial to my residence here?
A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Is it particularly beneficial in terms of this kind of work?
A: Can be.

Q: (J) It is obviously not detrimental.
( T) Can it be detrimental?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) In what way?
( J) Yes, how is it detrimental?
A: 64000 dollar question!

Q: (T) Now, since we hit the 64,000 dollar question, are you going to give us the 64,000 dollar answer?
( L) Why could it be detrimental? Is it because it could be detrimental if a person is following the STO pathway? A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Could it be detrimental to one following the STS pathway?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Okay, the energy flow pattern can be detrimental or beneficial. It’s just energy, not positive or negative.
A: This is more complex than your queries allow.

Q: (L) In other words, our questions are not complex enough to get the answer? A: You are “rushing it” due to company present, now please relax and just behave as always.

Q: (J) She’s trying to show off! (L) I am not! (SV) That’s what they said! (L) That’s not what they said, and I am not the only one asking questions.
( T) Let’s start over with something simple. We are talking about the aura or something similar. The planet’s aura.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay. We are focusing on this site here in relation to the energy of the planet.
A: Okay.

Q: (T) You have indicated that there is some kind of a correlation between the location and the energy in the planet. The energy in the planet is all the way around the planet and is affected by the planet and everything that goes on around the planet, in the planet, on top of the planet and all over the place. We are one location. As this energy ebbs and flows along it influences the work we are doing here. Am I on track here?
A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay. So, the crustal energy flow patterns, if they ebb, we lose power... we need to draw more power in order to keep the connection?
A: ?

Q: (T) I don’t even know what I said! (L) Try it this way. We are talking about an aura. In an aura system in the physical body, it can sometimes reflect both the spiritual and physical state of the person. Is this location similar to a chakra?
A: If you prefer or other.

Q: (L) Similar to a chakra?
A: These ar all merely labels.

Q: (L) Okay, so it is like an energy vortex?
A: Okay...

Q: (L) An energy vortex in the body, a chakra in the body, is a place where the body energy interfaces with the universe. Tell us about chakras, Susan.
( SV) There are all different kinds. There are the seven major chakras, the ones in the palms, almost every joint in the body has a chakra...
( T) What do they do?
( L) An interface point?
( SV) Yes.
( L) Is this what we are talking about here? An interface between this density and other densities?
A: First of all, “chakras” are a little understood and nonproven phenomenon. Now, it just so happens they do exist, but in different form than reported by many in the so called “psychic” community. So you see, you have opened yet another “can of worms.”

Q: (L) Well, Worms Are Us! I knew that question would last all night! Why did I ask it?
( SV) Well, let’s go for it! (L) Okay, first worm...
( T) Worm One...
( J) Worm One...
( L) ...what, exactly, is a chakra?
A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with five.

Q: (T) A focus point that merges densities to fifth density contemplation level?
A: Close.

Q: (T) What purpose do we merge to the contemplation level through the chakras?
A: You are all connected with level five on a short wave cycle, reference text.

Q: (L) Does each chakra relate to a color as we have been told?
A: In a sense, but not primary issue.

Q: (L) What is the primary issue?
A: The connection with physical imprint locator.

Q: (L) So, that has to do with this area right here? Are we back to the house?
A: On a physical body, density levels one through four.
 

Q: (L) So, we are sitting in the middle of a giant chakra, the navel of the world! (J) Better than the armpit of the world.
A: What are you speaking of?

Q: (T) Tallahassee, the armpit of the world! (L) I was just joking, we are not in the navel of the world. We are in a chakra...
( T) In order to be at this location...
( L) ...is that it?
A: You are drifting an there is much too much thought fragmentation tonight.
 

Q: (L) Okay.
( J) I am wondering if it is related to the storm?
( L) Let’s take a break.

Break

Q: (L) We have a real serious dude tonight. He’s not letting us play! (SV) I wonder if there are seven major chakras in the same place as described by others.
( L) Okay, we’re back.
A: Back?

Q: (L) Well, we really didn’t leave, you know.
( J) Yeah, we went for a walk! (L) Susan wants to know if there are seven major chakras related to the physical body as has been taught by many sources?
A: It varies according to individuals.

Q: (SV) You mean some people have more chakras than others?
A: Name a “chakra.”

Q: (L) Is there a base chakra, the root chakra?
A: We asked you to name one.

Q: (L) Well, we named one.
( SV) There’s the heart chakra, the third eye, I don’t know the Hindu names for them...
( L) Name a person? A: No.

Q: (SV) The lady who wrote “Hands of Light” said that when she does healings, spirit guides...
A: What happens to those who have major body parts missing?
 

Q: (J) Oooh! (SV) But the etheric field is still there! They have proven that with Kirlian photography...
A: Is that the same thing?

Q: (L) Well, is that which is photographed by Kirlian photography the same thing that makes up the chakras?
( SV) Well, you would have the seven major ones... you can’t live without a head and torso...
( L) What happens when you have organs, the glands related to the chakras, taken out. Women have hysterectomies all the time...
A: Good question!

Q: (SV) But the energy’s still there even though the body parts are gone! That’s what I have been taught.
A: Who says?

Q: (SV) Do you want to know the names of my instructors? A: All we are trying to point out to you, is that you are delving into an area where purported fact is not proven, and the entire subject is only slightly understood at your level. It is better to get facts before proclaiming knowledge, lest you make serious mistakes!

Q: (SV) But what about what Barbara Marciniak said about the chakras... she talked about 12 chakras, seven internal and five external? Was Barbara onto something?
A: Vague.

Q: (T) It was not what Barbara was onto, it was the information she was being given.
( L) Was the information Barbara was given as far as the chakras, correct as far as it went?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, there’s a clue.
( T) It better be, we gave it to her. (J) True.
( T) If they said no...
( J) ...we are in a lot of trouble. We had better find something else to do on Saturday night.
( L) We could bowl. Canasta, anyone? This would make a great card table.
( J) Bridge?
( L) I don’t know how everyone else feels about it, but maybe we should just read Marciniak on this one for now and drop the subject.
( T) They have been saying that the chakras as they have been taught may not be entirely accurate. The information about these energy points is that they do not exist as they have been laid out by others, but that they exist in different people in different places because of the way the energy flows in each individual. They don’t always exist in the same place just as the energy vortexes on the planet fluctuate and change. So, within the person the energy changes and fluctuates...
( J) Do the chakras move around?

A: They may.

Q: (T) Do different people have different numbers of chakras?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, the whole idea of chakra work, not to take anything away from what Susan has been doing, is very much incorrect as it is laid out? A: Maybe.

Q: (SV) Okay, if you sensitize your hands, could you pick up on this energy on the body? Could you detect the chakras?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Will Reiki allow you to find the chakras as they move about?
A: Maybe.

Q: (SV) What about Therapeutic Touch?
A: Maybe.

Q: (SV) I guess maybe I had better find out.
( L) How does all of this relate to this house and what we are doing here?
( T) We are working on a larger scale now.
( L) Does this house have something to do with connecting up chakras in our bodies?
A: You are drifting again.

Q: (T) Is it that this energy will move just like the energy in a body will move. We are working at this point because, at this time, this is where the localized energy is in this area, but that this is going to be moving? A: Again, you have touched upon a group of subjects that require massive study to accurately explain.

Q: (J) Does this mean that we have to study and learn more before we can even discuss this with you?
A: Close.

Q: (SV) Would Edgar Cayce’s material be a good place to start?
A: This is a good place to start, but it will take much “time” and effort.
 

Q: (L) Are you suggesting that perhaps this is a subject that we don’t need to go into?
A: Up to you.

Q: (J) At this point, we don’t have enough understanding.
( T) Is it something important that we should be looking into?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Let’s go onto something else that is more simple. The other night the children saw some lights in the sky. I went out to see what they were talking about and at that point there were no moving lights, but there was a single, pulsating, red light about ten degrees to the right of Jupiter. My initial reaction to it was that it was atmospheric twinkle of a large red star or the planet Mars. There was nothing there the following night. What was it the children saw?
A: Children saw planes and a helicopter.

Q: (L) Well, what was it I saw when I saw this red, pulsating light which did not move for quite some time?
A: Mars.

Q: (L) It was not Mars because it wasn’t there the next night.
A: Clouds.

Q: (T) Yeah, there were clouds on Mars that night.
( J) Well, lets move on.
( L) Well, I thought it was Mars.
( J) You were right.
A: You were right.

Q: (J) That’s what I just said.
( L) Now, we want to know if there is any correlation between movement of UFOs and weather patterns...
( J) Specifically, thunderstorms.
A: Correlation?

Q: (L) Okay, can UFOs not fly during thunderstorms, or electrical storms?
A: Incorrect.

Q: (L) Okay, they can fly during thunderstorms?
A: Yes. But “fly” is improper term.

Q: (L) Okay, what do they do during thunderstorms if they don’t fly?
(J) They bob and weave! (SV) They are projections, aren’t they?
( J) Yeah, I don’t think they are actually here, down in the atmosphere, anyway. A: Operate.

Q: (T) Well, the real question is: does the thunderstorm interfere in the EM flow between densities?
A: Can.

Q: (L) Can thunderstorms interfere with their projection ability?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do thunderstorms or electrical activity inhibit them?
A: Ionization.

Q: (T) Is the fact that there are very few abduction cases, at least I read about, and I’ve read quite a few of them, during thunderstorms, have to do with the thunderstorm interfering with the EM, so that the abduction would be much harder to do, therefore they don’t bother doing it?
A: No.

Q: (T) Can abductions take place during thunderstorms?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a possibility that thunderstorms possibly enhance this activity?
A: No.

Q: (T) So third density EM disturbances don’t disturb fourth density?
A: Can.

Q: (J) Can they control it.
( T) Well, I haven’t read very many things about abductions during storms.
( L) Well, I have read about a few, enough to break it as a rule.
( T) Is there some reason that it isn’t happening as often during thunderstorms?
( J) They don’t want to get wet.
A: Can you drive a car during the rain?

Q: (J) Yes, but if it is raining really hard, you avoid it.
( L) Is there any particular reason why more abductions and UFO sightings occur at night? A: Not correct.

Q: (L) So, you mean there is as much activity in the daytime as there is at night?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, that blew that theory. Is it true that the vastness of space is an illusion of our units of space time?
A: Too complex for simple response.

Q: (L) Oh dear.
( J) We’re just way over our heads tonight, aren’t we.
( L) Well, let’s try this one...
A: Trying too hard to carve impression.

Q: (L) Not really. We want to ask these questions...
A: Yes, really!

Q: (T) Do you have anything to impart to us?
( L) Yes, you have the floor.
( T) Or the table...
( J) Or the walls, or the ceiling...
A: Just ask more simple answers instead of trying to solve major riddles in one session.

Q: (T) Here’s an easy one: is the EM wave still circling the Earth?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I don’t want to ask simple questions.
( J) Is this affecting the recent tropical storm?
( T) Yeah, is the EM wave part of the reason for the storm out here in the Gulf?
A: Close.

Q: (L) I don’t think I have any simple questions...
( J) What are the Marfa lights?
A: Window to this dimension leaves static.

Q: (T) Is there a window to this dimension...
( L) In Marfa?
A: Many windows on Earth.

Q: (J) Is there any correlation between the Marfa lights and the proximity to Carlsbad caverns?
A: Try getting up close to Marfa lights!

Q: (J) Yeah, I know, you can’t. As soon as you walk up close, they disappear. (L) How do they know you are walking up to them?
A: Not proper concept.

Q: (L) What is the proper concept?
( T) What happens if you get close to them?
A: They appear at other location.

Q: (J) Does the EM from your body repel the light?
A: It is visual reality representation only.

Q: (J) So, they are not really there, you just think you see them?
A: Close.

Q: (T) How close do you have to get to them for something to happen?
A: No.

Q: (T) You don’t have to get close to them? Well, you don’t have to get close to them, they’re just a residue.
( J) Are they a refraction of something that is going on someplace else?
( T) How far...
A: Close.

Q: (T) They are a refraction of something that is going on someplace else?
( L) So, when you get close, you can no longer see them because...
( J) ...the angle is wrong. Where are they actually happening, if not there?

A: Somewhere else from viewer.

Q: (J) Thanks! We got that.
( T) On the surface or underground?
A: Review two answers past.

Q: (J) Are you referring to the visual reality representation?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) So, they don’t really exist in third density?
A: Close.

Q: (J) Are they like a bleed through?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) But the event is not happening where you see the lights... where the observer sees the lights?
A: Terry, pay attention!

Q: (J) He’s tired tonight.
( L) Okay. Let’s ditch that one, then. Now, the general scientific opinion is that the major dying of dinosaurs occurred 65 million years ago. You have given us the figure 27 million years ago. Can you explain the discrepancy?
A: Radio carbon dating is not exact science.

Q: (J) They have said that before.
( L) So, you are going to stick with your 27 million?
A: Stick?

Q: (L) We must have somebody who is really on the outer fringes here! (J) Yeah, lighten up!
A: Same could be said for all present!

Q: (J) Same to you, fella! (L) Let’s see if I have another fairly simple question here...
( J) Don’t mean to be testy tonight...
( SV) Blame it on the weather.
( L) I want to ask my TDARM questions because poor old Roger really stirred my brain...
( F) Did he give you those questions?
( L) No, but my brain was stimulated and I thought of them and if we could get some answers, it might help his theory a lot. Well, we will ditch them. Maybe Tom and Cherie have another question... © When are we going to finish this project?

A: Question should be “if,” not when.

Q: (TF) Oh great! Thanks, Cherie! I’m going to have this hanging over me now!
A: Seems to be struggle within organization!

Q: (L) Is there? Are you getting a hassle about it?
( TF) Not from the people that count. But, it’s a political organization like any other. [Laughter] She can do this because she doesn’t have to write this thing! (L) Is there anything you can tell Tom to help make it easier?
A: Tom’s future lies in independent career.

Q: [Laughter] (J) Just what he wanted to hear! (TF) I may be fired! (L) No, I don’t think that’s what it means!
A: No.

Q: (L) See, you’re not going to be fired!
A: Writing is your “calling” but as author, not journalist, your publication has so far survived being absorbed by the Consortium, but only barely, and that may not be true in the near future!

Q: (L) You do know what the consortium is?
( TF) Are they referring to Robert Bass?
A: This is but one portal.

Q: (L) I guess that means they can get in that way or another way. Well...
A: You would not appreciate the changing atmosphere that would accompany a “buy out.”

Q: [Laughter] (TF) That is an understatement.
( J) That means that this project would be their property and you wouldn’t be able to use it.
A: There is much more to the puzzle than what appears on the surface!!!!!

Q: (TF) See what you started with your question! (T) It’s all your fault, Cherie! (C) I didn’t even ask about the photos! (T) That’s Pulitzer stuff, there!
A: Photos can “disappear!”

Q: (J) Oh great! Oh great! (T) We are moving into the warning stuff, now.
A: Do you remember the curriculum at journalism school, Tom?

Q: (L) I’m sure he does! What’s the point?
A: Question is for Tom.

Q: (TF) Sure, why?
A: Do you suppose there may have been any propaganda?

Q: (TF) I guess that depends on whose point of view.
( T) That’s always true.
A: Yours.

Q: (J) Yeah, what was your point of view?
( TF) This is not facetious, but the only propaganda I remember was IU basketball! [Laughter]
A: Not being aware is a symptom of successful methodology... beware!

Q: (L) I guess that not being aware that you are being propagandized is a symptom of good propaganda! (TF) Yeah, that would be great propaganda! (L) So, what’s your point here?
A: You will soon become disillusioned by events soon to take place. This is good, because it will represent an awakening on your part, as you are a genuine and good hearted and honest soul.

Q: (J) That’s nice! (TF) Whose class had propaganda?
A: Not point, was not class, was general direction of program, which is symptomatic of a much bigger issue.

Q: (C) What events are soon to take place?
A: Take over of employer is imminent!

Q: (T) Whose taking over?
( L) They said the Consortium.
( T) Are we talking about the overall, total media?
( J) Is it just the St. Pete Times or...
( T) ...that one they haven’t got hold of yet...
( L) Publish in a hurry...
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Yes, what?
( T) Either publish in a hurry or go for the book and forget the series.
( TF) Don’t say that in front of Cherie! (T) Her pictures can go in your book.
( TF) Don’t say that in front of Cherie! [Laughter] You can’t publish color if it’s in a book.
( C) If they are in a book they are bad reproductions.
( T) Sorry...
A: Your instincts as a reporter are to uncover hidden truths, but beware that you have been trained to uncover only some types of “truth,” and not others.

Q: (TF) I want to ask one more question about the watch. Which state of the Union is the body of water located where the watch is?
A: Do not know, as we access visual reference only, and cannot determine artificially designated borders in this instance. If watch were lost next to road sign, for example, it might be different!

Q: (TF) Is the area around the body of water flat or mountainous?
A: Appears to be “broken.”

Q: (L) The area appears to be broken?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Rough terrain?
( TF) Why was my father in church?
A: Open.

Q: (TF) Was it a ceremony involving one of his children?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Maybe is a better answer than “open.” (L) Jan, tell Tom about your Margaret Stimmick thing.
( J) God, I can’t believe you remembered that name! (L) I remember everything I type after I type it! (J) That’s amazing. Yeah, I had a little thing that I wanted the Cassiopaeans to answer for me, and they had a real hard time visualizing it for me... they just kind of focus in on...
( L) No, they visualized it extremely well; they saw you in a basement with your friends with candles and they described it as some sort of ritual activity. Jan wanted them to tell what she was doing...
( J) Actually, I wanted them to repeat a phrase... we were doing, I guess, some sort of black magic, trying to put the whammy on a biology teacher that nobody liked... [Laughter] (L) Jan has a past...
( T) The thing is, with the channel, they see what we see, they know what we know... what’s in your mind and subconscious... (L) ...or what you saw...
( T) Anything that is not within the channel itself, they cannot pick up...
( L) Oh, no! They have come through with tons of stuff that’s not in this room or in anybody’s mind in here! (TF) If they only know what’s in ya’ll’s mind, how can you ask questions about Jesus... how could that be within...
( L) I think what they do is focus on a point in space/time that they access like a computer, but that all of the artificial constructions that we have created to separate and define are like Greek to them. (J) Well, time is definitely something that man has created because we live on a planet that has days and nights and the passage of seasons. If we lived on a planet that did not have days and nights and passing seasons, we would not have the concept of time.
( F) Or, if you were floating around in space...
( J) ...then you wouldn’t have up or down either...
( L) The other night I was looking for a bottle of ear drops. We asked the Cassiopaeans where they were. They said: in the bedroom, drawer, white cloth and symbols. Well, I found them in a make-up bag on top of the drawer, the bag being lined with white cloth. And, what is make-up but “symbols?” (F) That’s interesting because I had forgotten about that.
( L) Yes, it is strange what is accessed and how it is represented. Tom, do you think there are going to be changes at the Times?
( TF) No.
( L) Well, you might want to consider getting this thing finished as soon as possible anyway...
A: Will be a “take-over,” count on it!

Q: (TF) I guess there could be different kinds of take-overs.
( J) Yeah. It could be just a change in management.
( L) Okay, Cherie, do you have any other questions? [Laughter] (C) I’m thinking.
( L) Now that you opened that can of worms...
( J) Worms are Us! (TF) I didn’t mean to monopolize this session...
( J) You didn’t. Don’t worry about it! (T) Not at all! (Lewis) [just coming in the room] What was the question and what was the answer?
( L) It was a whole series of them. Cherie asked a question that opened a whole can of worms.
( TF) Bottom line is: I have to write quickly! (L) Yes, worms came squirming out all over the place.
( J) Changes, take-overs... change of atmosphere...
( L) What would you do if that happened?
( TF) I don’t know... you just have to roll with the punches.
( L) Okay, they don’t want me to ask any of my time travel questions...
( T) I am at zero energy level tonight...
( L) That must be what our problem is. Terry is over there zoning out on us.
( TF) What do you mean “what your problem is?” (L) Well, when any one of us has low energy, it limits the reception. (J) Why is Terry’s energy is so low tonight?
A: Has virus.

Q: (SV) Don’t breathe this way! (T) Ebola is here! (L) I was curious about the kami kaze virus I had the other day. It made me think about virii in general. Since virii don’t have DNA, is it possible that they could be used to modify DNA?
A: No.

Q: (J) Well, that’s good.
( TF) They don’t have DNA? Do they have RNA?
( L) Well, they are missing one or the other...
( J) They are cellular parasites...
( SV) Are you going to ask more about the tunnels?
( L) Were there any ramifications to this virus not apparent on the surface?
A: No.

Q: (L) Okay.
( J) When I got home from work the other day. I realized that I was hungry and suddenly I got the shakes and I was real dizzy. I rushed in and made myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and drank a glass of milk and it seemed to calm me down. Was this because I had not eaten?
A: Low blood sugar.

Q: (J) Is that indicative of a condition that I have now?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) Does that mean she has a. hypoglycemia or b. hyperinsulinism?
A: No, no.

Q: (L) Neither. Was it just a momentary low blood sugar condition from working too long without eating?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) I physically had the shakes and I was dizzy and nauseous. (TF) What was the mmm sound in my father’s dreams?
( L) You’re big into dreams, huh?
( TF) It’s a family thing!
A: Was accessing sound waves in alpha state not normally audible.

Q: (TF) Why did he find the dreams so threatening?
A: His interpretation.

Q: (L) Maybe it was something he didn’t understand and it scared him.
( TF) Was it related to Germany?
A: No.

Q: (TF) He had a series of dreams one summer, 1943, and it was interesting because his father, the dream analyst, could help him with it.
( F) Was his father a dream analyst?
( TF) Right. The same one that lost the watch.
( L) Was there some kind of antagonism between them?
( TF) Well, he was a Freudian dream analyst, so, yes! [Laughter] Nothing more than the normal father-son stuff.
( L) Is there such a thing as normal father-son stuff?
( SV) I doubt it.
( TF) That’s true.
( L) Nothing on this planet is normal, or so it would seem. Well, unless somebody has a real outstanding question they just have to ask, I think we should shut down for the night.

End of Session

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