November 21, 1998
Q: Hello. A: Hello.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Mohnah.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: Okay, we have a number of questions here... We have this paper
here written by Henry P. Stapp... I can’t find page one, though...
A: Suggest you be more vigilant in efforts to find page 1.
[Break
while page is found.]
Q: Alright, Henry Stapp says in the beginning of this proto-book:
“This book is
about you. This book is about you. It is about your essence: what
you are, and
how you are connected to that which you are not. Knowing this is
important to
you, because your beliefs about yourself, and your connection to
‘the other’
are ultimately the basis of every decision you make in your life.
[...]You may
think you know what you are. You may have been taught that you’re a
giant
bundle of cells, with each cell a complex arrangement of atoms
connected to each
other by simple mechanical laws. So you may imagine that science has
shown you
to be, basically, a giant machine: a huge mechanical device,
advancing in a
totally predictable way, governed, in principle, by the mechanical
interactions
of its tiny parts.[...] But what about your thoughts, your hopes,
your
aspirations, your ideas? How do they fit in? Surely, they are an
important part
of you. Indeed, together with your other experiential qualities,
such as your
sensations, and feelings, they are your essence. Your “material”
self is
important to you as the carrier of your experiential self, and as
the link
between your experiential self and the rest of nature. But how does
this material self mesh with your experiential self? [...] What does
science tell us about this connection? [...] Curiously, the
consensus of scientific opinion on this basic question of the
connection between our material and experiential selves is based on
a theory that reigned from the time of Isaac Newton until the
beginning of this century, but that was replaced about seventy years
ago. by a theory that differs from it, basically, precisely on this
question of how our material and experiential selves are related.
[...] According to the earlier theory, any large system, including
the entire universe, changes in essentially the same way that a
mechanical clock is imagined to change: the large-scale movements
are completely determined by local mechanical interactions between
its tiny material parts. No one’s experiences have, fundamentally,
anything to do with it. [...] But the basic contemporary physical
theory, quantum theory, if taken seriously, says just the opposite:
it says that our experiential knowings are the basic dynamical
units, and that what had in earlier times been understood as
material particles that could exist apart from knowings, must be
replaced by a knowledge-bearing structure. This structure evolves
the knowledge created by earlier knowings into the makings of later
knowings. So instead of tiny atoms controlling each other, and
thereby all knowings, it is rather the knowings that are the basic
irreducible units: they enter as entire units into a dynamic
structure that carries forward the facts fixed by past knowings to
produce the possibilities for future knowings.” Now, my
understanding of what he is saying is that he is replacing the
‘former clock’ with just another ‘clock.’ He says that this is what
Quantum Theory is saying; that all of the fundamental units of
quantum physics are ‘knowings,’ that these are the basic irreducible
units. Could you comment on this idea? A: How do you suppose this could be?
Q: Well, that is what I am asking you. This is what he is saying
that Quantum Theory says. A: Where does one fit the proverbial square peg into the round hole?
Q: Please don’t be too cryptic with us tonight as we are really
pretty desperate here and have thought ourselves into exhaustion!
A: Desperation is not necessary, or helpful.
Q: Well, we have read and thought and gone over the sessions, and
discussed it and have no satisfactory conclusion. Stapp says that
the wave function represents our knowledg of the system and that the
reduced wave packets are more precise knowledge after measure. The
question is: is there more than OUR knowledge and which is beyond...
A: The question is: Is knowledge physical? Can it be physicalized?
Is not physics the study of that which is physical?
Q:
Alright, can knowledge be physicalized? A: No.
Q: (A) Can knowledge be converted to mathematics?
A: Yes. As we have
indicated, mathematics serves as a bridge between that which is
physical and that which is not.
Q: So, Stapp quotes Heisenberg saying: the transparent clarity of a
mathematics that represents no longer the behavior of particles but
rather our knowledge of this behavior.” Can that be a correct
statement in reference to Quantum Physics? A: But there are no “units” of knowledge.
Q: He says: certainly our knowledge can change suddenly, and that
this fact justifies the use of the term ‘quantum jump’. “ Is a
sudden change in knowledge equivalent to a quantum jump? A:
What is the definition of “Quantum”
Q: (L) A measurement? Quantification? (A) When we say ‘quantum
jump,’ we
mean a jump that is typical of quantum phenomena, such as
manipulation of
particles, electron jumping from one orbit to another... anything
that changes
rapidly and for which we do not have a mechanical description
because we don’t
understand what is in between, how this jump happens. A sudden
change of value,
state or something... decay of a particle... (L) So, Stapp says: “at
Solvay,
physicists, of all people, had come up with a rational solution,
based on
empirical evidence, in which all of the observed regularities of
nature that had formerly ascribed to matter, were present without
there being anything like ordinary matter. The mathematical
structure needed to account for the classical regularities of
nature, plus all the newly discovered ones whose existence could not
be reconciled with the classical conception of matter, arose from
the mathematical properties of the knowings themselves!”
A: Mathematical properties? Yes. But when one is working from the wrong
premise, where does one “get off.”
Q: (A) What wrong premise?
A: The premise from which you are quoting.
Q: (L) He says: Orthodox quantum theory is pragmatic: it is a
practical tool based on human knowings. A: In a sense, maybe.
Q: (L) Here is where he attacks: “The wording is again subtle, and
confirms the thesis that the mathematical structure of quantum
theory is about our knowledge. But it assuages the intuitions of
physicists by speaking of events out there at the device that
presumably are not controlled by human observers or observations.
But the mathematical structure of the theory does not describe those
external physical events themselves in micro-physical terms: the
mathematical structure is tied to our descriptions, basically in
plain everyday language, of the human experiences that we normally
imagine to be caused by ‘events out there’.” Now, my question is: do
events ‘out there’ occur?
A: Yes.
Q: What is it that quantum physics is describing?
A: Vague.
Q: Of course I know that’s vague. Stapp says: “On the other hand,
there is a suggestion that there really are events occurring ‘out
there’, which are we are observing, and which do not derive their
beingness from our observations of them.” Are there events out there
that we are observing that do NOT derive their beingness from our
observation? A: Yes.
Q: The events out there derive their beingness from what?
A: From their beingness.
Q: What is at the root of their beingness that makes their beingness
different from ours? A: This is completely the incorrect concept.
Q: What is the correct concept? A: All is one and one is all.
Q: Well, that is not helping us here. That’s what he’s saying! He is
saying that everything is just ‘knowings.’ A: No!
Q: Are we interacting with something out there? A:
Of course, but it is not just “out there.”
Q: So, Stapp says: “I call the idea that the formalism is directly
about ‘physical events out there at the devices,’ the Vulgar
Copenhagen Interpretation. It is vulgar in the sense that it is
coarse, in the way just mentioned, and it is common. [...] This
Vulgar Interpretation is common among practicing quantum
physicists.” And, it seems that he is directing this particularly at
Ark, since Ark is one of the creators of what Henry is here calling
the ‘Coarse Copenhagen Interpretation.’ A: And....
Q: Well, he further says: “In classical physics this distinction is,
of course,
again present, but once duly noted is not very important. In
orthodox quantum theory this distinction is crucial. [...] My aim,
basically, is to reconcile the insight of the founders of quantum
theory that the mathematical formalism of quantum theory is about
knowledge with the demand of Einstein that our basic physical theory
be about nature.” So, what is Nature and why is it out there?
A: It is not “out there.” Why are you stuck on this?
Q: I am trying to get through this. He says: “Of course, pushing the
boundary
all the way to mind brings mind into our theory of nature. But why
on earth
should we try to keep mind out--- bottled up, ignored, and isolated
from the
physical world---when we know it is present, and seemingly
efficacious, particularly when the intense struggle of physicists to
find a rational way of accounting for observed phenomena led them to
the conclusion that the rational way to formulate a theory that
accounts for our experiences pertaining to “physical reality” has
the form of a theory about knowings, not the form of a theory about
matter. [...] In view of the failure of our seventy-year effort to
exclude mind from our theory of nature I suggest that our rational
aim should not be to resuscitate moribund matter, which we are well
rid of, because of the two millennia of philosophical perplexity it
engendered. Rather we must learn how better to understand knowings,
within their natural habitat, the mathematical structure of the
quantum formalism that accurately accords with our experiences
rather than blatantly contradicting them.” (A) Concerning this last
sentence, Stapp absolutizes Quantum Theory, and he believes that
Quantum Mathematical Formalism is sufficient to describe knowledge.
I doubt this, because Quantum Theory is a very simple theory, and to
describe knowledge mathematically, I believe that we have to go
beyond the quantum formalism. A: “Knowings” implies units of measureable physicality. Not so!
Knowledge is
not physical, thus constant.
Q: (L) Well, that is sort of his point. He is saying that nothing
really exists
except knowings... A: No.
Q: (A) I have a problem here. You say knowledge is not physical. I
don’t care
just now what is the definition of physical or non-physical. The
question for me right now is, is there some mathematical framework
that describes at the same time a kind of a unified theory, that
describes both atoms AND knowledge. Can one think of such... whether
it can be described by a mathematical formaliam that will take into
account BOTH? A: Well, whether or not knowledge can be quantified or not is one
question. But
to understand the concept, one must rearrange one’s mathematical
thinking to fit into the non-physical realm. Atoms represent the
foundational measurement of material, or physical reality. It is
possible to bridge the two, but not to combine the two.
Q:
(L) Is quantum theory as it stands, about knowings or about
physical units? A: It is about measurement.
Q:
Does quantum physics, as it is, describe matter? A:
This is missing the point altogether. Why does one need matter to
measure?
Q: Well, this is our point. He is saying that all there is is mind,
that you
know things, and that the whole universe is an illusion of your
knowings, so that your perceptions of perceptions are these knowings,
and that the universe constantly changes based on these knowings,
and all that is really changing is your knowings and you perceive
your knowings change, and that is the whole thing. He is saying
that... A: There are no “knowings!!!!!!!”
Q:
So Stapp’s idea about quantum physics being measures of knowings
is
completely... A: False!
Q: (A) There is another question, because he absolutizes quantum
physics, and it
doesn’t even come to his mind that there is, perhaps, a better
theory than quantum theory which describes more than just
measurements, and that is somewhat along the line of Einstein’s
Unified Field Theory, or something like that. He considers that
Quantum Theory as we know it, that its mathematical formalism, is
the last word and that we will never go beyond that. A: Wrong, obviously.
Q: (A) The point is, of course, that no one up to the present time
has found
such a better theory. A: But “now” is only the beginning.
Q: (A) Back to the concept of events; you said events exist. Is it
true that
every event is a splitting of the universe, or branching of the
universe? A: Events take many forms.
Q: (A) When events happen, it means that one particular thing out of
many
potential things was chosen, or are there other events? For me an
event is
when, out of many possible things, one is chosen. What are the other
possible forms? Can we have some examples? A: Events can transpire without knowledge.
Q: (A) What is characteristic of events that involve branching of
universes? Is it that, for this particular event, consciousness must
participate? A: There is a critical juncture, which coincides with a discharge of
energy.
Q: (A) There is a critical juncture in any event or in this
particular type of event of branching? A: Latter.
Q: (L) Does that mean that a branching event must be related in some
way to consciousness or observation? A: No.
Q:
(L) Where does the energy discharge from? A: Consciousness is on one side, and what is on the other?
Q: (L) What IS on the other side? Matter? A:
We have given the clue.
Q: (L) Energy?
A: Closer.
Q: (A) Okay, let me ask a little bit more technical question, in
this theory about which I am supposed to write this paper, we are
making a kind of a union of the standard quantum theory with
something else that is not described by a wave function, which is
supposed to objectively exist. But, this is a mathematical model.
The question is: in reality, what is it that really exists? What are
things that really exist? A: Gravity is the key. Now, plug in your wave functions.
Q: (L) How can you describe gravity mathematically?
A: Must be possible! Review texts re: gravity.
Q: (L) We did... and either we are so dense, or we can’t get it...
A: Not dense, emotionally clouded. When one is in a defensive mode,
all is
“skewred,” including this conduit.
Q: (L) So, what is on the other side is consciousness and gravity?
A: No, reveiw texts and meditate to clear consciousness of emotional
poison!
Q: (L) What is the source of this emotional poison? Our reaction to
this paper? A: Yes. Attack, attack. Break needed!
Q: (A) Who needs a break? (L) Now? A: You do.
[Break]
Q: (L) Okay, Stapp says: “Our ideas about matter and energy ensure
that no
matter, or energy-bearing stuff, can travel faster than light. Thus
this faster-than-light result shows that reality certainly cannot be
made out of “matter”, or any form of energy, as it is normally
conceived. [..] How does orthodox quantum theory cope with this
problem? [...] It tries to say that there is no problem, because the
wave function represents only our knowledge. [...] The idea is this.
Suppose you know that the nearby and faraway parts of a physical
system are strongly correlated. Then your new knowledge about some
nearby part can often give you immediate knowledge about a faraway
part, without that faraway part being affected physically by your
act of looking at the nearby part. Thus your seeing that one end of
a compass needle points north can immediately tell you that the
other end points south, without your actions having any immediate
physical effect at all on the south end. [...] Faster-than-light
connections in the realm of knowings are thus deemed unproblematic.
[...] This argument is based on the normal idea that these knowings
are knowings about physical things. The faster-than-light effect in the realm of knowledge clearly does
not entail
any such effect in the external physical reality. Hence this effect
in the realm
of knowledge is seen to be nonphysical: to be not physically
real.[...] But if
one were to take knowledge itself as the basic reality then there
might be a
problem, for there would be no other “physical” reality upon which
to base the
claim that the faster-than-light effect in the realm of knowledge is
“not
physically real”. Such an embarrassment might arise if one were to
interpret
quantum theory literally as a description of a knowledge-based,
rather than
matter-based, reality. [...] But Heisenberg and Bohr circumvented
such a faster-than-light embarrassment by not taking quantum theory seriously: i.
e., by effectively rejecting the idea that the knowledge-based
mathematical formalism describes a corresponding knowledge-based
reality. Thus when Heisenberg describes “what happens ‘really’ in an
atomic event” he talks about the events at the measuring device, and
hence effectively validates the normal idea that the ‘knowledge’
that the formalism is about is, in the normal way, knowledge about
physical events. The knowings are not, in the orthodox view, to be
regarded as the basic realities, even though they are the realities
that the formalism is based upon. [...] Thus there are two powerful
reasons for asserting that the quantum formalism does not give a
description of reality itself . The first is that this move saves
our common sense intuitions that there is something ‘out there’; the
second is that it apparently helps to save us from having to admit
that there are real faster-than-light effects. (A) I would like to
know who is paying this Stapp and why? A: Those who are against unlocking the truth are at the “core.”
Q: (L) Have we discussed Stapp enough? A:
Yes.
Q: Next subject: Mike has sent some follow-up questions. His first
question is:
Does the mystery surrounding Rennes-le-Chateau have to do with what
Henry Lincoln describes as the ‘Temple,’ which is some ancient
megalith... A: No.
Q: (M) He says: I’ve had three experiences with aliens, who kindly
provided me with silicone beads of some kind. Were these physical
abductions or just projections? A: One begets the other. A projection involves transdimensional
atomic
remolecularization.
Q: (M) When and where was the last experience?
A: April and in sleep state. There is a window which overlooks
sloping meadow.
Fruit trees, possibly apple, nearby.
Q: (L) Why did you bring up this window and this meadow and fruit
trees? Is this the window through which this occurred? A: Let it play out.
Q: (M) Will the silicone beads show up in an x-ray?
A: No.
Q: (M) In the dream about the ‘communication device,’ was that a
memory of a previous experience, or was it an actual experience that
happened that night? A: Reflection.
Q: (M) With respect to RV and chemical/magnetic alignments improving
psychic abilities, can this be artificially induced by locally
applied magnetic fields? A: Dangerous to experiment with. Like Franklin and his kites.
Q: (M) My friend Marc had a dream a few nights ago which he feels is
related to the previous one. He was hit in the head by a 2X4 wielded
by a child, which immediately woke him up. He caught sight of a
movement out of the corner of his eye when he woke up. What was the
moving object or creature? A: Interdensity energy.
Q: (M) Was this, in any way, related to implants and alien
encounters? A: Indirectly.
Q: (M) Was it significant?
A: All is.
Q: (M) Is the source in the books “Conversations with God,” a
reliable and
accurate source? A: Only partially.
Q: (L) Okay, I got the “Robot’s Rebellion,” book and I was hoping
this was going
to be something useful, and he says in here: “Just as the sun is the
mind that guides the Solar System, the Galactic Mind guides the
galaxy and the Universal Mind guides the universe. The Source is the
mind that guides all creation. Sunspot activity is linked to this
flow of energy from the sun to the solar system, and this indicates
the times when the flow is at its most powerful.” Are sunspots an
indication that a flow of information is at its most powerful?
A: Maybe.
Q: Then this David Icke says: “The imbalanced consciousness that I
will call
Lucifer is not an essential part of the positive/negative balance.
He is a disrupting, disharmonious aspect of consciousness, which is
not necessary for human evolution. More than that, Lucifer’s efforts
to close off the channels that link humanity to its higher
understanding have blocked, not advanced, our evolution.” Is this a
correct assessment of this Luciferian Consciousness, that it is not
part of the positive/negative balance of the universe, and that it
has blocked our evolution? A: No.
Q: Can you comment on the Luciferian consciousness and what part it
may play in our evolution and reality? A: It is part of the lesson plan.
Q: That was my thought as well, but he says that because of this
problem with the Luciferian consciousness, the “higher levels of
creation began to intervene because Lucifer was imposing its
misunderstandings on others and breaking the universal law of free
will. Is this true? A: No.
Q: I have read about this ‘decision to intercede’ by higher levels
of consciousness who look down upon mankind and feel sorry for our
terrible suffering, and that somehow, if something isn’t done, the
whole universe will be overcome by this evil... so it has got to be
‘stopped.’ A number of sources promote this idea, which then leads,
generally, to claims that this or another alien group is part of the
‘good guys’ or bad guys, or whatever. Is any of this idea accurate?
A: No.
Q: So, what is, IS, and we only suffer exactly as much as we need to
learn? Is that it? A: There is more to it than that, but at this point, you would be
unable to
comprehend.
Q: Icke says “this Luciferian consciousness is a large aspect of
Divine Consciousness which chose to work against the Source. Is this
true? A: Not really.
Q: Well, it SEEMS that the Luciferian Consciousness is working
against the Source. If it is not, what is it doing? A: Balancing where needed.
Q: He says: “Other volunteers, aspects of very highly evolved
consciousness, came into the universe and this galaxy in an effort
to restore harmony. They did not incarnate in physical bodies on the
earth, they arrived in spacecraft, some of them miles in length,
while others simply manifested themsleves here. These were
extraterrestrials who came to bring knowledge to this planet
hundreds of thousands of years ago.” Is this true? Yes or no?
A: Neither.
[Phone rings and BRH joins session]
Q: (BRH) Is there anything I should know at this point about Kim in
relation to me? A: Vague!
Q: (BRH) Should I pursue this?
A: He is not getting it yet. All there is is lessons.
Q: (BRH) Talk about vague! (L) It is a reflection of the vagueness
of your question. A: Vague in, vague out!
Q:
(BRH) Okay, I like Kim and I am considering pursuing a
relationship with her. A: Some like to dance from the proverbial fire to the frying pan,
and some do
not. But what good would a lesson be, if not containing the
potential to learn!?!
Q: (L) I guess that I would say that you need to follow your
instincts and don’t
let emotion run the show. One of the biggest things working against
us... A: Right at this point, the emotional switch is turned on “high.”
Q: (L) Most human emotions are not, as some people think, of the
soul; they are
chemical. And, these chemicals can be stimulated to turn emotions on
and off -
witness a lot of women who suffer from PMS. All kinds of waves and
frequencies
around us, including those emanated by other people, can turn these
chemicals on
and off. This is what happens when the ‘hooks’ get into your flesh
from
propinquity. When you encounter a new person, the same thing can
happen over again in a very powerful way, and, of course, because of
the euphoric effect of a new set of stimuli, it makes you think that
‘oh, this is DIFFERENT! This is the SOUL!’ I can assure you that, if
what happens between two people, occurs due to the physical presence
of the other person ALONE, watch out! This knowledge is hard won,
believe me. A: If Devin has questions, why not allow Devin to question?
Q: (L) Okay, I’ll shut up. (BRH) I’m getting the sense that the
chapter is not closed on this Kim deal. But, moving on, I have a
friend named Lisa on the net who is pleading with me for help. She
doesn’t know if she is losing her mind or what, and I told her I
would try to do what I can. So, the question she asks is: ‘Am I
losing my mind or what?’ A: Or what.
Q: (BRH) Any advice?
A: As with all others, we get into trouble when we first assume,
then attempt to
collect data to substantiate our assumptions.
Q: (L) I guess that is what they are saying to her, that she has
made an assumption and is trying to collect data to... A: No commentaries are needed, unless you wish to risk destroying
the value of
the message!!! [Dog begins to bark]
Q: (BRH) Last time you were tying to direct me to inquire about
career and family, and that I did not see it or understand it at the
time because I was thinking more in terms of job. I don’t think I
used the opportunity to inquire deeply enough into those issues. So,
I would like to know if you have any further comments about career
and family issues for me? A: Only if specific inquiries are made.
Q: (BRH) I have been toying with the notion of dropping out and
writing a book.
Any advice on that? A: Sounds good to us!
Q:
(L) [Remarks about Tom French, journalist who is writing about
the Cassiopaean group who just recently won Pulitzer Prize] So, if
he ever gets the segment about this published, I guess we will be
about the only channeling group investigated by a Pulitzer Prize
Winner! A: Oh boy, oh boy!
Q: (L) Are you guys being sarcastic or happy?
A: Both.
Q: (L) [To BRH] Well, the C’s predicted his Pulitzer Prize... you
know, he went through a divorce after becoming involved with us, the
photographer assigned to him went through a divorce, I went through
a divorce...they had made predictions about the upcoming changes in
his life, and he completely would not believe it, but now that it
had transpired, he wanted to know what else was going to happen to
him, and how he was going to feel about it. So, the C’s told him
that he was going to be 100 per cent happy with the upcoming
changes... and that is about as far as they would go with it. But,
after the fact, he knew what they meant. Hopefully, his experiences
are going to incline him to write about us kindly... (BRH) I was
very happy about a remark you made several years ago about my
youngest daughter, and the fruit that was borne from that comment.
Again, last time, you brought up my youngest daughter, and made the
remark that the separation was not going to be for long. Do you have
any further comment to make about that? A: Strong soul connection there. Intertwined past lives, positive
sense.
Q: (L) I guess you can ask how many past lives together... and go
from there... A: Not important.
Q: (BRH) What is the purpose for our relationship in this time?
A: That is for you to discover!
Q: (BRH) Any hints?
A: Nope.
Q: (BRH) If nothing else, your remark a couple of years ago has
really borne
some amazing fruit. I really thought she was a pain in the ass
before, and I have really loved her deeply ever since you said what
you did. There is a very special connection there that I don’t fully
understand... A: You will.
Q: (BRH) Thanks for nothing, guys!
A: Not nothing, now is it?
Q: (BRH) No, you are right, it is not. Thank you. I am aware that
there must be some overarching purpose to my presence on the
internet. I have established a huge number of contacts in an
extremely diversified group of folks, and I felt really driven
previously to provide data to all of them. But, lately, I am losing
my zeal for that. A: Zeal loss stems from approach. Better to teach than to preach.
Q: (BRH) Teach what? A: Sharing info attracts.
Q: (BRH) On a cosmic level, I feel that there is some sort of
purpose in what I have done up to this time. I have built this
structure, what do I do with it now? I have this feeling that it has
not happened for no reason. A: Let it unfold without anticipation.
Q: (BRH) What is my purpose? A: To BE!
[Conversation with BRH is concluded.]
Q: (L) I wanted to ask a couple more questions: you mentioned Jack
and the Beanstalk in a previous session. I am concerned that there
is nothing going on at present. We are in a sort of pause mode here.
A: All will be well.
Q: Devin was concerned that you might not think it would be a good
idea for him to come... A: Why would we think that?
Q: I know... but, any comment? A: It would be good.
Q: Anything else tonight? A: No. Good night.
End of Session
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November 28, 1998
Q: Hello. A: Hello.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Nuthurra.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (A) My first question concerns the guy who wrote last week from
Brussels,
and who, just two days later, invited me there and they were
offering to pay all expenses for me to come and talk. On their web
pages, they have all kinds of interesting things such as quantum
computing, space propulsion and so forth. It is called “Stargate,”
and I would like to know what is behind the interest of these people
in Brussels. A: They find you to be fascinating!
Q: (A) Who is behind them? Who is sponsoring all this research?
A: Something referred to as “Ducherme.”
Q:
(A) Should I be especially careful in my contact with them?
A: These people are innocent, if a bit naive in their enthusiasm for
“Millennial” pursuits.
Q: (A) Is there some future in this contact?
A: Only in maintaining your visibility within the scientific
community.
Q: (L) Is that something that he wants to do?
A: Whether or not he wants to do it, it may be helpful.
Q: (L) So, establishing liaison with these people would be helpful?
A: Maybe.
Q: (A) Last time when we were talking, you made an essential
division between
the physical world and the non-physical world, ethereal world, the
one which cannot be quantified. Now, I know something about the
physical world, how it is built, and the main concepts of atoms and
forces and so on. I would like to know what are the building blocks
that describe this ethereal world. I am asking because you said that
these two worlds can be bridged, if not united. In order to bridge
them, I need to know something about this ethereal world. Where can
I learn it? A: Consciousness is in reality, the purest form of energy. The
alter realm is
composed of consciousness energy. To better understand the concept,
one must utilize one’s memory of particularly vivid dreams, when one
had the sensate of physicality in a transitory state.
Q:
(A) How to bridge the physical and ethereal worlds? A:
Gravity is the key. One must formulate an hypothesis based upon
the quantum
range of wave particulate transfer. In other words, where does the
wave go when it appears to disappear into the very core of an object
with a strong gravitational field. Pentagon, hexagon, you know?!?
Q: (A) I understand that this gravity business is becoming the most
important
study, and that, essentially, I should concentrate my energy there
and start back with formulation of gravity... A: This best for the open-minded one of a scientific nature to keep
focused upon
magnetism/gravity. Utilize innate understanding of field physics in
your search.
Q: (L) Okay, I stumbled across some information this week, quite by
accident,
about this Horsel business. What it says is: The moon-goddess, or
Aphrodite,
of the ancient Germans, was called Horsel, or Ursula... she is the
pure
Artemis; but, in accordance with her ancient character, she is
likewise the
sensual Aphrodite, who haunts the Venusberg; and this brings us to
the story of
Tannhauser. The Horselberg, or mountain of Venus, lies in Thuringia,
between
Eisenach and Gotha. High up on its slope yawns a cavern, the
Horselloch, or cave
of Venus within which is heard a muffled roar, as of subterranean
water. From
this cave, in old times, the frightened inhabitants of the
neighbouring valley
would hear at night wild moans and cries issuing, mingled with peals
of demon-like laughter. Here it was believed that Venus held her court; “and
there were
not a few who declared that they had seen fair forms of female
beauty beckoning
them from the mouth of the chasm. Tannhauser was a Frankish knight
and famous
minnesinger, who, travelling at twilight past the Horselberg, “saw a
white
glimmering figure of matchless beauty standing before him and
beckoning him to
her.” Leaving his horse, he went up to meet her, whom he knew to be
none other
than Venus. He descended to her palace in the heart of the mountain,
and there
passed seven years in careless revelry. Then, stricken with remorse
and yearning
for another glimpse of the pure light of day, he called in agony
upon the Virgin
Mother, who took compassion on him and released him. He sought a
village church,
and to priest after priest confessed his sin, without obtaining
absolution,
until finally he had recourse to the Pope. But the holy father,
horrified at the
enormity of his misdoing, declared that guilt such as his could
never be
remitted sooner should the staff in his hand grow green and blossom.
“Then
Tannhauser, full of despair and with his soul darkened, went away,
and returned
to the only asylum open to him, the Venusberg. But lo! three days
after he had
gone, Pope Urban discovered that his pastoral staff had put forth
buds and had
burst into flower. Then he sent messengers after Tannhauser, and
they reached
the Horsel vale to hear that a wayworn man, with haggard brow and
bowed head,
had Oust entered the Horselloch. Since then Tannhauser has not been
seen. The
curious thing about this “Horsel” is that it reminded me of the time
that you
said I needed to get a better ‘handl’ on the matter. You later gave
the clue
‘chevin,’ which means a variation of ‘horse,’ and there has been the
clue of the
arms of Rene D’Anjou in the book The Tomb of God, which had the vine
growing out
of the split tree topped by the rock, through the ‘handle’ of the
grail, then
there was the book The Horse of God. One of the mythical stories
repeated about this Abbe Berengar Sauniere, was that, on his
deathbed, he made his confession and the priest who heard it refused
him absolution and the last rites, and apparently fled from the
house horrified. I don’t know if that is true, but it is an
interesting story in relation to this story about Tannhauser,
particularly since Sauniere painted the decoration in his church of
Mary Magdalene gazing at a stick with buds springing out of it, and
she was depicted in a grotto, such as the Horselberg cave. Is this
Horselberg something that we are looking for here? A: Ever feel as if you are dancing around in circles?
Q: (L) Yes, but one of the unique things about this Horselberg
business is that,
the legend is that three ‘fiery objects’ landed on top of this
mountain. And, if you draw a line from Horselberg, which is a ‘big
rock,’ to the ‘big rock’ of Luxembourg, it crosses the Rhine exactly
on the big rock of the Lorelei... A: Tritium.
Q:
(L) Well, Lorelei, translated from German, going back to the
Saxon roots, is
literally, ‘Laura’s rock.’ I just thought that was VERY funny. You
had said to look for the three, the ‘triplicative connecting
profile,’ a rock, and you mentioned sirens. Lorelei later evolved
into a story about sirens... A: Tritium mines.
Q: (L)[To Ark] What is tritium? (A) In physics, it is an isotope of
hydrogen.
You have deuterium, and you have tritium, and you make fusion bombs
out of tritium. (L) So, there are tritium mines there? (A) You
cannot mine for tritium because it is a gas... A: But what does it emanate from?
Q: (A) That’s a good question. I don’t know. We can find out.
A: Look for clue!
Q: (L) You say I am dancing around in circles...
A: We are saying, as always, pay attention to the words.
Q: (L) Well, this paper says also the following: the divining-rod
itself is but
one among a large class of things to which popular belief has
ascribed, along with other talismanic properties, the power of
opening the ground or cleaving rocks, in order to reveal hidden
treasures. Leaving him in peace, then, with his bit of forked hazel,
to seek for cooling springs in some future thirsty season, let us
endeavour to elucidate the origin of this curious superstition. The
detection of subterranean water is by no means the only use to which
the divining-rod has been put. Among the ancient Frisians it was
regularly used for the detection of criminals; and the reputation of
-acques Aymar was won by his discovery of the perpetrator of a
horrible murder at Lyons. Throughout Europe it has been used from
time immemorial by miners for ascertaining the position of veins of
metal; and in the days when talents were wrapped in napkins and
buried in the field, instead of being exposed to the risks of
financial speculation, the divining-rod was employed by persons
covetous of their neighbours’ wealth. If Boulatruelle had lived in
the sixteenth century, he would have taken a forked stick of hazel
when he went to search for the buried treasures of -ean ValOean. It
has also been applied to the cure of disease, and has been kept in
households, like a wizard’s charm, to insure general good-fortune
and immunity from disaster. As we follow the conception further into the elf-land of popular
tradition, we
come upon a rod which not only points out the situation of hidden
treasure, but
even splits open the ground and reveals the mineral wealth contained
therein. In
German legend, “a shepherd, who was driving his flock over the
Ilsenstein,
having stopped to rest, leaning on his staff, the mountain suddenly
opened, for
there was a springwort in his staff without his knowing it, and the
princess
[Ilse] stood before him. She bade him follow her, and when he was
inside the
mountain she told him to take as much gold as he pleased. The
shepherd filled
all his pockets, and was going away, when the princess called after
him, ‘Forget
not the best.’ So, thinking she meant that he had not taken enough,
he filled
his hat also; but what she meant was his staff with the springwort,
which he had
laid against the wall as soon as he stepped in. But now, Oust as he
was going
out at the opening, the rock suddenly slammed together and cut him
in two. Here the rod derives its marvellous properties from the
enclosed springwort, but in many cases a leaf or flower is itself
competent to open the hillside. The little blue flower,
forget-me-not, about which so many sentimental associations have
clustered, owes its name to the legends told of its talismanic
virtues. So, here we also have staffs and flowers and birds and all
sorts of things that can ‘open the ground,’ something going on
underground, ‘rock-breaking’ plants, such as ‘saxifrage’ which
became sassafras. It says here: ‘the further we penetrate into this
charmed circle of traditions, the more evident does it appear that
the power of cleaving rocks or shattering hard substances, enters as
a primitive element into the conception of these treasure showing
talismans.’ Then it talks about the schamir, by which aid Solomon
was said to have built his temple, and that it is like a ‘worm no
bigger than a barleycorn’ that could split the hardest substance.
The bottom line is, that some kind of power, rock breaking,
ground-penetrating power... A: Does not gold conduct electricity, heat, etc.?
Q: (L) Yes, and gold is also called a ferrophile metal, or ‘iron
loving,’
because it binds easily with iron. A: And iron...
Q: (L) Iron in the blood... iron in the ground...
A: Magnetic...
Q: (L) Exactly. Anyway, somehow, all this connects backward to
something that
Solomon used to build his temple, and you told us previously that
the secret that the Templars discovered UNDER the temple, was
something that related anti-gravity and that it was ‘buried in
Galle.’ So, yes, we are going in circles. Can you comment on my
comments? A: Circles, hmmm...
Q: (L) Yes, they are circles. The next thing we come to is that I
discovered
that alfalfa, in fact, a very particular type of alfalfa, does,
indeed, grow in the German highlands. And, in fact, this alfalfa was
brought via a route that you described... as France, Spain, Canary
Islands, Morocco. I was asking about this story of the purported
travels of Mary Magdalene, and you said that the people were not
important, that the message was. You then said that the ‘artifacts
hold the key’ and listed this sequence of places. I found a paper on
the subject of alfalfa which described this exact route of the
spread of alfalfa and it’s value in farming because it literally
replenishes the ground it is grown in. So, it seems that you were
describing the route of the alfalfa plant. Can you comment on this?
A: Now that you have found this out, perhaps you should research the
properties
of this mineral richa alfalfa and what it does for the body of homo
sapiens?!?
Q: (L) That is an interesting thing. Alfalfa was named as the
‘father of
foods,’ and was grown, primarily for, interestingly, horses! And, we
have chevin and the ‘Horse of God.’ Anyway, one of the primary areas
where this particular type of alfalfa was grown happens to be in
Baden, right next door to this Horselberg... right off the banks of
the Rhine. There is a valley there. Clover is, of course, a
variation of alfalfa, and ‘dale’ is a depression in the groung.
Could this be right there next to the location of the Lorelei rock
off the Rhine? A: Closer, and what of the four leaves?
Q: Yes, indeed. I will work on that. Now, one other thing I found
was: here we
have this legend of this Lorelei which became confused with
mermaids. Now, the
legend is that the house of D’Anjou was descended from the
fairy-wife of
Ingelgar, Melusine, who was a mermaid type creature. And, on the
other side, we
have the legend of the descent of
the Merovingians from a
‘Quinotaur’ which was
sort of described as a mer-man. I find it curious that both of these
lines have
legends of descending from these half-fish creatures, similar to the
god Oannes
of the Babylonians, and now we have the connection to the Lorelei
which was
confused with a mermaid. And, it is right there in the specific
location along
the Rhine where both of these families could be said to have
‘emerged,’ if not
originated. Tannhauser was a form of the Frankish Odysseus, which
connects us
to the idea of the siren, and you mentioned the sirens as being a
clue. Could
you comment on that, please? A: Siren song? What of this? What have we alluded to before about
sound?
Q: (L) I was thinking that the ‘siren song’ is probably a mythical
representation of anti-gravity. A: Close.
Q:
(L) Can you give me another clue? A: No, you do not need one.
Q: (L) Okay, meanwhile back at
Rennes-le-Chateau, there are these
three priests and a bishop who have more money than they ought to
have. Clearly, there is something going on there. My thought is,
after analyzing it is, the purported ‘parchments’ found in the
column of the altar in the church there, were never really found,
that they and the purported code were both made up as a clever
fraud; the whole thing was made up, yet there IS a mystery there. I
also think that the connecting of the Shepherds of Arcadia painting
to that church, that area of France, is fraudulent also. The
smokescreen is being focused there to keep it from being directed
elsewhere. Am I on the right track here? A: Well, quite simply we would say, where is Arcadia?
Q: (L) Arcadia was Turkey. You have made many references to Turkey,
to Troy, which was located in what is not Turkey. A lot of funny
stuff tracks back there. And, Troy means ‘three.’ Interesting.
A: Tis a clue for you, not a destination!
Q:
(L) Well, can you tell me just exactly what these guys, these
priests, were getting paid to do or not do? What was the money
changing hands for? It was a lot of bucks... A: Keepers of the guard.
Q: (L) Guard of what? A: Whatever was going on there.
Q: (L) It seems sort of significant to me that, when one of them was
getting ready to retire, he was brutally murdered, and seemingly
tortured before his death, and the following year this Abbe Sauniere
purchased a large tract of land. Was there any connection between
Sauniere and the death of Abbe Gelis? A: Not the point. What happens to those who “know too much?”
Q: (L) Who was paying them? What was the source of the money?
A: Not available to you yet.
Q: (L) Was it true that, before he died, Sauniere made his
confession and was refused absolution? A: Not right track.
Q: (L) Were there ANY parchments found in the church there?
A: Ditto.
Q: (L) This gal, Martha Neyman, taking the story at face value, has
walked around there and found all kinds of funny things, and she
lines them up based on her formula, and they form ‘amazing patterns’
and so forth. Well, everybody has a different formula, everybody has
a different theory and method, and they all seem to be finding
things.... Their findings just seem to ‘mesh’ so synchronously with
their theories and methods... it is totally amazing! It is like the
UFO phenomenon. No matter what assumptions you start with, you can
find evidence to prove your point! Things miraculously are THERE to
support you! A: That is why we gently prod you upon your quest, all the while
suggesting
patience, and no anticipation.
Q: (L) Okay. Mike had a couple of questions. (M) Rennes-le-Chateau
is on one
of six peaks that form a very regular pentagon with La Pique in the
center. Is this a natural formation, or is it a construction, or is
it altered? A: Not important. What is, is what is the effect?
Q: (M) Is this formation significant to the mystery of the area?
A: Most likely, eh?
Q: (M) The churches and castles in the area follow a very regular
pattern. Are
they built upon the foundations of previous structures, or cities,
like lost Visigothic cities? A: Best to refer to the 1954 UFO study done over the French
countryside.
Q: (M) What are the beehive huts in the area?
A: Not germaine.
Q: M) Is Horselberg related in any way to this area?
A: No.
Q: (L) You said at one point that I should transfer the search to
the United States and quit messing around in Europe. I have pored
over maps for days, I have examined the index in the Atlas, and,
aside from Hot Springs, Arkansas, and Tempe, Arizona, and the Plains
of San Augustin, Socorro, Roswell, Magdalena, etc., nothing has
really caught my eye. None of those places configure in any way that
makes sense to me. Can you help me out here? A: Horseheads, N.Y.
Q: (L) Does this mean.... Horsehead, New York?
A: Horseheads.
Q: (A) In what way is this to be related?
A: Is a key. Need lots of keys to unlock the house of gables.
Q: (L) Seven. Seven keys. Aaaaah... there’s Horsecave, Kentucky...
A: Anywhere near Mammoth Cave?
Q: (L) Yes, I believe so. Help me out here!
A: We are.
Q: (L) I feel like I just got picked up by the ‘great Roc’ and
carried across the ocean and dropped, ‘SPLAT’ in the middle of
another continent, without a clue about where to look! A: We did not say “quit messing around in Europe.” Just do not limit
it to
that.
Q: (L) Well, I STILL want to know what is at the root of the mystery
of Rennes-le-Chateau, and why all this ‘cottage industry’ in
treasure hunting is going on there... A: Treasure hunters lack patience in their quest.
Q: (A) Is there something about these places, properties of certain
minerals located at these sites around the world, is this an
important factor? A: Partly.
Q: (A) Okay, there are three possibilities. The first possibility is
there are some important places because they are located in a
special geo-magnetic position; second, these places are important
because there are some natural resources there which make possible
there something which is very difficult in other places. The third
possibility is that these places have been used many, many years ago
to bury some technological devices... and these three things can be
related.... A: And all three can be true, in fact.
Q: (L) Last night we were discussing whether we may have had an
incarnation in ancient Egypt together... could you answer that for
us? A: When were the pyramids built?
Q: (L) I guess that is sort of an answer. Did we participate in the
building of
the pyramids? A: All one needs do is watch.
Q:
(L) So, we watched the building of the pyramids. Could you tell
us our
names? A: No.
Q: (L) Could you tell us what our relationship was?
A: No.
Q: (L) Will you tell us anything at all about it?
A: Not now.
Q: (A) Maybe we were watching from a space ship! (L) Okay, now,
since I have
been reading all about Bavaria, and have traveled all over Germany
with these clues, I want to go back to the past life in Bavaria you
told us about before, where Freddie and I were brother and sister...
children of a ‘Bavarian land-owner.’ Did this land-owner have other
children? A: No.
Q: (L) You said that the castle which was our home was still extant?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Does that mean that it exists as ruins, or is usable?
A: Preserved.
Q: (L) Can you give us a connection so that I can maybe locate the
building and have a look at it? A: Stassel, von stassel, or similar.
Q: (L) You also said that I have a child from my last life in
Germany, during the Nazi period, who is still living and travels
between Austria and Belgium or somewhere like that. Is this
individual still living at the moment? A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is there any way to find him, or would it be advisable?
A: Up to you. Records of specific Nazi atrocities are difficult to
come by.
Q: (L) Would there be any clue that I could use in this search?
A: Reorganization camps.
Q: (L) Well, reading about this Ludwig II of Bavaria... it just made
me think... was Freddie Ludwig? A: No.
Q: (L) Well, it fit so well!!! On a lighter note: Blue sent a note
where he had just read the run-down on the UFO personalities. In
retrospect, I think they were pretty accurate. Anyway, he remarked
that he wondered if you guys laugh as hard at Richard Boylan as he
does. Any comment? A: We need not “laugh” at the misfortunes of others.
Q: (L) I know... just an attempt at humor here! Now, is there ANY
part of this Rennes-le-Chateau business that I COULD ask about, that
maybe I am not thinking of how to ask the question? A: You are progressing just fine.
Q: (L) So, if I am progressing ‘just fine,’ that must mean that my
assessment of the parchments, and related things, is correct. This
whole thing is probably cooked up to lead people completely astray
from what is REALLY going on there. There probably isn’t a
‘treasure’ there, as such... is there something buried in that
region of some considerable import? A: Maybe.
Q:
(L) Does it have something to do with alien, or
extra-terrestrial, or ULTRA-terrestrial interference or activities
on our planet? A: Probably.
Q: (L) Did the three priests know that their interactions may have
been connected to an Ultra-terrestrial organization? A: No.
Q: (L) They were manipulated? A: Sure.
Q: (L) Is that area a ‘window’ area similar to the area in New York?
A: These truths are self-evident.
Q: (L) Do buried minerals in the ground have something to do with
window
areas? A: Ditto.
Q: (L) Are there large caches of gold buried at different places
around the
planet to enhance the ‘window’ effect? A: Good possibility.
Q: (L) Is this the origin of the leged of the Rhinegold and the
bridge to
Valhalla supposed to be located there? A: No more clues for tonight.
Q: (A) One last thing: if I splice this picture, the Arcadian
Shepherds,
vertically, and try to align the two halves, what should I look for?
A: That which is seen.
Q: (L) Good try, Dear! (F) Is this the party to whom I am speaking?
[Laughter.]
(L) Try again! Hmmm.... a Quinotaur... a ‘five pointed’
being... I would say that Quinotaur is a being who manifests in 3rd
density from 4th density by virtue of the relationship of the word
‘quinotaur’ to pentagon. Comment? A: No.
Q:
(L) Do the properties of alfalfa tend to enhance the non-physical
effect, or
vice versa? A: Maybe it enhances that “psychic effects.” And, on that note, good
night.
End of Session
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December 5, 1998
Q: Hello. A: Hello.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Emorriha.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: I would like to start with one thing that I don’t want to forget:
last Friday, Ark’s friend Moshe, died. Since, during one session
several years ago, you brought up the name ‘Moshe’ in conjunction
with a discussion of our past life in Germany, and later on there
were some funny connections to Dijon, and Moshe was based in Dijon,
and I once asked if there was something significant about Moshe,
which led into some very significant remarks about Orion and this
Rhineland business; and you mentioned Tel Aviv, and Moshe has just
been buried in Tel Aviv; so, I would like to ask if there is any
particular significance regarding the sudden death of Moshe? A:
Please be more specific!
Q: Is Moshe’s death a marker of a reality shift?
A: Not really, in the sense that you are conceiving.
Q: I know that Sandra’s death was like a marker in my life, and I
had the feeling that many things changed after her death, and
perhaps even as a result of her death. A: It was a marker, as you chose to make it so.
Q: Is there any subliminal connection between Moshe and Ark, Moshe
and me, Moshe and both of us, or Moshe and our lives? A: Moshe transited as a result of a genetic line defect.
Q: What... A: Weakened arterial walls. Soul counts, not body.
Q: Well, how is Moshe doing at the present time?
A: Fine, but there is no “present time.”
Q:
I know that, I’m sorry. Let me ask this: when you mentioned the
name ‘Moshe’ at the time that Roxanne was present, was it this Moshe
you were referring to? A: There are so many Moshes, perhaps you should study the Hebrew
root.
[Mosheh:
drawing out; to pull out; rescued.]
Q: Well, there were some funny things going on in that session where
you
mentioned it. But, we will drop it for now. Okay, regarding this
Rennes-le-Chateau business, Mike asks: I would like to know what or who
created this
pattern of mountains? A: Mountains are a natural construct.
Q: Then he asks: about the beehive huts in the area, to which you
answered ‘not
germaine,’ and he said ‘yes, but I’m curious about the beehive
huts.’ Is there any symbolism to the beehive huts in the area?
A: None.
Q: What were they used for?
A: Honey production!
Q: In what manner was this honey production accomplished?
A: Carefully, so as not to get stung!
Q:
Very cute. Who was using these beehive huts for honey production?
A: 19th century agrarians.
Q: I thought they were supposed to be like really OLD! Do you mean
A.D. or
B.C.? A: A.D.
Q: Okay, Mike asks further: The six mountains at Rennes-le-Chateau
form a natural pentagon surrounded by a circle. This reminds me of
ancient spell-casters surrounding themselves with a circle when
summoning spirits or demons. Was this area set up as a giant gateway
or place of summoning? A: Gateways occur where the conditions are right.
Q: Is this area a gateway? A: Window.
Q: If it is, do the five surrounding peaks contain or shield
whatever... A: Contain is o.k.
Q: So, he is right, it DOES contain. Does this have to do with
Atlantean technology and energy production? A: In an offhand way.
Q: Are there other significant natural formations that follow
similar patterns that we should be looking for? A: Yes, of course. And they are numerous. Monument Valley is but one
example.
Q: Well, on the same subject: did Abbe Saunier put clues in the
stations of the cross in the Church at Rennes-le-Chateau? A:
Some, but they are gilded.
Q: What do you mean by that?
A: You will see.
Q: Does the message involve all the stations of the cross?
A: Just look. Now folks, remember: Rennes-le-Chateau is a means, not
an end.
Sort of like unlocking the trunk, expecting to find the gold, and
merely finding a map.
Q: So, when you said ‘template, Templar,’ you were possibly
referring to the fact that what was going on here, the
constructions, the name and word clues, and even the events and
incidents may have been a model that we should look for in other
places? A: Temples too.
Q: What is the...
A: What is behind your temples?
Q: Behind, in a general sense? The creators, the instigators? The
church? A: Place your fingers upon...
Q: What do you put your fingers on that has to do with a temple?
Place your
fingers on your temple? On your head? What is behind your temple?
Your brain... A: Which part?
Q: Well, the TEMPORAL lobe... the part of the brain where magnetite
is found. A: Yes....
Q: So, what are you getting at here?
A: We are not, you will.
Q: So, the instructions or clues found in this place, may, in fact,
apply to
some other location? Is that it? A: Or to a grid.
Q: Was Saunier aware of this grid? A: It is not important, the grid is.
Q: What I am trying to get at is, if he was aware of it, he might
have put
clues about it in his decorations in the church. A: Who says?!
Q: He wrote across the doorway of the church: Terribilis locus est,
or This is
a Terrible Place... A: And some have put: “Biohazard” where they store riches.
Q: What grid are we talking about? An EM grid...
A: Yes. Meridians...
Q: In response to your remark from last week, ‘ever feel that you
are dancing
around in circles?’ Mike wanted to know if this was a reference to
crop circles? A: No, not directly!
Q: Then, you also said: ‘quite simply we would say, where is
Arcadia?’ Arcadia
... A: You need to work on that one. The answers to these mysteries are
not easily
solved, but well worth it!
Q: The chief thing I noticed about Arcadia was, the Arcadians were
the enemies of the Trojans, they were the creators of the Trojan
Horse - a huge deception... and the Celts are supposed to be the
descendants of the refugees from Troy. And, when Hitler came along,
one of his ideals was to resurrect Arcadia, and that Germany was
going to be the new Arcadia and destroy the ‘old corrupt
civilization,’ which was Troy. Troy is ‘three’ and is connected to
‘Ilium,’ and I guess what my question is here is: just who’s on
first? A: Who is on second?
Q: Who’s on first, who’s on second? Nope, not going to touch that one!
Very quickly: Kathy and Bob have been having some bizarre things
going on. On December 1, Bob was having a ‘fight’ with ‘Them,’
during a sleep state. He said he had to struggle to get his body to
move and his mind to come awake, and he heard someone telling him
that he was not supposed to fight as he tried to yell. Kathy asked
him who he thought it was, and he said ‘the Grays.’ Kathy was in the
half sleep state and remembers thinking at one point ‘they are
here,’ only when she opened her eyes, no one was in the room. She
asks: ‘Is this possible? We feel to some extent as if we have gone
off the deep end. I do not like the way this feels. I know it has
been said that this is not easy, and certainly that is correct. But
I can’t help thinking that our minds are making all this up, after
all, the C’s did say an abduction in our case did not occur. So, why
would those guys be showing up now. We can hardly be any kind of
threat, we are in kindergarten, for goodness sake.’ She writes that
she is concerned for her children, too. Her son mentioned a dream of
being a baby where a ‘ghost’ was looking into his crib. He wondered
if it was a dream or a memory. Kathy said that it reminded her of
the ‘little ghost people’ from Bob’s childhood. And she has heard
that ghosts are often a screen memory of when the Grays have been
around. What she really wanted to ask was about the pain in her left
arm. She writes: ‘I don’t want to waste your time.’ A: Too many assumptions!! Best to investigate with an open mind.
Something
about a well, white wood frame homes.
Q: That’s the clue she should follow?
A: “Kindergarten, ??!?” Why must we think our consciousness is
thusly limited?
Who knows of the content of the soul matrix if not adequately
investigated?
Q: Anything else to help her out so that she doesn’t
feel like she is going off the deep end? A: No.
Q: One final question: Martha Neyman has written back to say that
she thinks this Rennes-le-Chateau is just a simple country village
with a simple mystery, and there are no aliens, there is no
conspiracy to control the world, and, therefore, she does not feel
that any further communication on the matter is worthwhile. I, of
course, agree. I spent too much time trying to point her in new and
possibly fruitful directions, and she seemed only to want me to
agree that she was so terribly clever with her naive symbolic
interpretations. Do you have any comment on that? A: No.
Q: Okay, I am done. (A) I want to ask about this grid business. I
have this book with this ‘sacred geometry’ business, Bruce Cathie
and all that. These people draw these grids with geometric shapes
that differ from simple meridians. I would like to know how to find
out what is the true geometry of this grid? Is it as complicated as
they draw it, or is it as simple as longitude and latitude? Can I
have some help with this? A: Seek answers in the pyrotechnics.
Q: (L) Do you mean having to do with explosives or fireworks?
A: All that is related to the root. For example: lightning.
Q: (L) Yes, but what we are asking is how to SHAPE, to construct a
correct grid! Is there a particular geometric figure that applies,
and are there particular locations ... A: No, no, no. You are assuming, and you are not being patient.
Q: (A) I don’t understand what this pyrotechnics is about, but first
question:
at some point we were asking about this magnetic grid, and we were
told that the
grid lines are located about every 200 miles, and that it is a
regular pattern of lines... A: Yes, but those are primary. What happens at the poles?
Q: (A) At the poles, these lines converge, and the pattern becomes
more complex, I suspect. A: Convergence.
Q:
(A) Okay, they converge at the poles, and probably go inside.
A: In atmosphere, there is undulation. At core, there is primary
convergence,
and that is also your doorway/bridge.
Q: (A) Core of the Earth?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) These lines that are being drawn, are they just one
dimensional lines, or are they a plane that crosses the Earth along
these lines? A: Latter.
Q: (L) Are these points of locus denoted by these deposits of clay
that adsorb tritium? A: Ollf the track, and you, my dear, are in the “quiet chair.”
Q: (L) Sorry! (A) Well, I wanted to make sure because, when we were
directed to this place in Russia and the term ‘magnetic meridian’
was brought up, and we asked the question as to where the zero
magnetic meridian was located, we were told that it was at about 90
degrees East longitude in the Western Pacific ocean. We checked the
map and it is clearly the Indian Ocean and not the Western Pacific.
Was this just a mistake? A: No because all those lovely, shimmering oceans intersect around a
lovely
island with really inexpensive real estate!
Q: (A) They are joking! They act like they drank too much! I have no
idea what that means!
[Laura stops and gets the Atlas and examines
the area in question.]
(L) Okay, the only island I can see that
those lovely shimmering oceans intersect around, in the terms in
which you have expressed it, is Antarctica. A: Yes.
Q: (L) In that sense... (A) Okay, this brings us to the question
about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?
A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.
Q: (A) Atlantis? A: Close.
Q:
(L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was Antarctica not covered by ice because the poles were in a
different location? A: No.
Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because the entire planet was not
covered by ice? A: No.
Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because it was in a different
location itself? A: No.
Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice? (A) Because the climate was
warmer. A: Technologically achieved.
Q: (L) Why would somebody want to technologically warm Antarctica if
the whole
rest of the planet was available for use? What is so special about
Antarctica? A: The whole rest of the planet was available for use? Not hardly.
Q: (L) Why was the rest of the planet not available for use?
A: Ice.
Q: (L) So, the rest of the planet WAS covered by ice?
A: No.
Q: (L) There is something I am missing here. (A) Much of the planet
was covered
by ice, but not all. A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, instead of using the areas that were NOT covered by ice,
why, in
particular, was Antarctica... A: What?!?
Q:
(L) What I am getting at is: why go to all the trouble to thaw
out a whole big island if it might have been easier to have been
somewhere else? A: Well, first of all, we thought this was Ark’s turn. But, since
you have
asked, is it not obvious by now? Magnetic power grid physics . EM
utilization. Crystals, and the like. Seeking paths to the interior?
The “Poles” know best!
Q: (A) ) Okay, now we have been brought to electromagnetism, and
that was my next question. I got some very old papers by
Whittaker... A: EM generators usually employ a grid. ‘Tis for field creation.
Q: (A) When you say this, you mean A grid, not THE grid?
A: Yes. Looks like a waffle iron.
Q: (A) You mean like a waffle iron that is used in transformers?
A: Okay. Why? To duplicate nature. Earth has a web, and so doeth
thee!
Q: (A) Now, Earth’s grid is just an imaginary grid related to field,
or just a mathematic grid... no, it must really exist.... A:
Yes.
Q: (A) If it really exists, is it a field of grid, or is it a grid
made out of some matter, like these waffle irons? Just field, or
matter? A: The iron is attracted, not attractive.
Q: (A) I wanted to know if the grid is a material grid, or if it is
just a grid of field and nothing more, or if there is something
material in the earth relating to it? A: Both.
Q: (A) We get a hint, but not an answer. The original question was
about the Whittaker papers of 1903, about solutions of wave
equations, and this relates to this Bearden who is making a lot of
money on anti-gravity books and zero point energy devices. At some
point, you told us that there was something in this. Bearden
speculates that this Whittaker’s ideas were useful for UFT. I
obtained copies and I am studying them, and they are quite
interesting.. Is this something that is worthwhile or another red
herring? A: No. They are worth it.
Q: (A) Recently, by a strange chance, I was pointed to a guy in
Brazil who wrote some papers with Assis, and Assis was connected to
Marinov, so this sort of closes a circle. This Rodriguez writes
about superluminal waves. He writes a lot of papers about it... and
he even says that he believes that superluminal waves can be used
technologically pretty soon. Any comment this particular guy, if he
is on the right track? A: Yes.
Q: (A) What about quaternions? Lord Hamilton invented quaternions,
and this Bearden tells us that Maxwell wrote his equation using
these quaternions, and his original papers are hidden from us by the
government; that Maxwell knew more than we are told. Is this really
the case? A: Yes.
Q: (A) Are these quaternions useful?
A: Partly, but there is a missing link.
Q:
(A) Sure. Now, I was thinking today about this Whittaker
discovery, and
whether I should work on linking it to the pentagons and hexagons.
Is it the missing link? Or, did you mean another missing link?
A: Well, linking the geometric factors you speak of is wise, but
there are other
links missing as well.
Q: (A) Okay... that is all for tonight. (L) I would like to know if
my back
pain is linked to some subliminal message? A: No.
Q: (L) Why is it so bad? A: Posture.
Q: (L) What about the clay and the montmorillonite, and the
connection of the
clay TO the montmorillonite, and what you once said about trace
minerals unlocking secrets in some way? A: Yes.
Q: (L) Yes what? (A) How much should we drink?
A: No.
Q: (L) We shouldn’t drink it?
A: Be vague, we vague.
Q: (L) Is this montmorillonite the objective of the clues about
tritium? The fact that tritium pointed to this clay, and that this
clay is situated in the Rhineland, among other select sites, and
alfalfa possibly grows there. Is this where the clue was supposed to
lead us? A: The question is about the mind, spirit and body, and what happens
hence.
Q: (L) Well, what I am trying to get to here is: is it useful for us
to ingest this montmorillonite? Will it assist in this
mind/body/spirit connection? A: What is more to the point is who was assisted before, how and
why.
Q: (L) I don’t get it. Maybe it is because I am so tired, but I am
hitting a blank on that. A: You must be, as the obvious is quite oblivious!
Q: (A) We are not getting anything about this mineral... who was
assisted before, how and why... (F) I can figure that out! (L) Well,
go ahead! (F) If this clay is in Germany, and if the implication is
that the mineral causes some sort of beneficial effect, perhaps, in
antiquity, somebody was using it for that reason. (L) Is Freddie
right on this? A: Yes, he is.
Q: (L) One last question that just occurred to me: why did the
Druids cut mistletoe in such a ceremonial way? A: No, that is too complicated for now. Good night.
Q: (L) Okay, we will ask it next week. Good night.
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December 12, 1998
Q: Hello. A: Hello.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Fiberroh.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: For openers, I noticed on our astronomy program that the spelling
of Cassiopaea differs when referring to the remains of the
supernovae as opposed to the constellation; and, in fact, the
spelling of the deep sky object is very much like the spelling you
use. I wonder if there is a relation to the fact that you spell it
as the deep sky object is spelled? A: Not really.
Q: Well, while we are on the subject of spelling, you DO use unusual
spelling
from time to time, though normally you are very good spellers. What
rules direct your spelling since it is not always according to
modern usage? A: No rules, just clues, as allways.
Q: Does this refer also to the way you spell ‘germain’? When you say
‘it is not germain,’ you spell it differently from the way someone would
spell it if just saying that something is not relevant. A:
Tis French, as in clue to be.
Q: Now, in reference to your question to me: ‘where is Arcadia,’
that I need
to look at this some more, I was reading in Gregory of Tours’
History of the
Franks, and he was recounting that the Franks who colonized along
the Rhine in
the area about which we are seeking clues, came from an area called
Pannonia. I
looked up Pannonia. It is in Eastern Austria and crosses the border
into Hungary. In Pannonia there are vineyards. It is a very famous
grape growing and wine making area. A statement from the 4th century
says: ‘Pannonia is a land rich in all resources and fruits, beasts
and commerce.’ Pannonia is also the location of an interesting lake.
The lake is called Neusiedl, or ‘New Town.’ This is the only ‘steppe
lake’ in all of Europe. It is only six feet deep at it’s deepest
point and is a giant, shallow sweet body of water surrounded on the
Eastern bank by marshlands, numerous salty ponds and pools.
Apparently, this place produces a very fine environment for grapes
and wine, in particular a type of wine called ‘Eiswein.’ This
Eiswein is called ‘The treasure of liquid gold.’ It says here: ‘the
production of Eiswein remains the winemakers ultimate challenge.’
Only a small amount of this wine is produced. Etomologically
speaking, Pannonia is probably named after the God ‘Pan,’ and that
derived from Sylvanus, the ‘Shepherd God.’ So, all in one spot, we
have shepherds, a wine called liquid gold, a lake called Neusiedl,
and an ‘Arcadian environment.’ Can you tell me if there is any
particular significance to my discovery of the terms relating to
this area from whence came the Franks to the Rhineland? Is this, in
fact, Arcadia? A: Arcadia is a crossroads for the one Essene, the Aryan one of
Trent.
Q: Can you clarify that for me? A: We can, but shall not.
Q: Is the fact that we have had some eggnog this evening going to be
detrimental? A: No.
Q: Can you comment on Pannonia in general? Is it in any way
significant? This
lake Neusiedl? A: Eiswein: Eisenstadt.
Q: Any further comment?
A: No.
Q: Now, I was preparing these genealogies to print for Christmas
and, while
waiting for them to print, I wondered who would be last if one
started at the present and worked backward... not specifically in
terms of time, but in terms of generations. I wondered WHO the tree
would end with. Well, it ended with the Frankish King Clovis. So, I
wondered about your use of the term ‘cloverdale,’ and how it might
relate to Clovis. Is it a deliberate or accidental connection?
A: Your quest is your own. We do not “steer.” We supply the mortar,
you are
the Masons.
Q: Well, I don’t know how to take that! I mean, the Masons could be
the most
evil organization in existence! BRH thinks so.
A: Such judgements miss the point, if there are keys stored within
the envelope.
Q: Well, on that subject, BRH really hates being in the body. He
thinks that he is here by mistake... A: Nonsense. He is depressed, but it is the way for those who are to
take
another step.
Q: So, he is in process of taking another step. Well, his question
was, and he was frustrated by this, and it is a good point, I think,
that if we have so many incarnations, and all there is is lessons,
why can’t we remember them. Why do we seemingly have to start over
and over again. What is the cause of the forgetting? By this
conscious forgetting, do we lose our ability to navigate from one
life to the next? Why can’t we remember previous lives? A:
You do, at the subconscious level. And it is at that level where
the
balancing to be derived from the lessons is most needed!
Q:
Is there any other reason for the forgetting? A: DNA strand structured.
Q: Alright, I found this article on the net called ‘Hidden History
of Jesus and
the Holy Grail’ written by Sir Laurence Gardiner, KT etc., author of
‘Bloodline
of the Holy Grail,’ transcribed from a lecture given at ‘The Ranch’
in Yelm,
Washington. What he says is that he had been appointed historian and
‘sovereign
genealogist’ to 33 royal families... he was putting together written
chronological accounts of things these families knew the substance
of, but not
the details. He talks about the fact that Jesus was married and that
he had heirs and that this was discussed in the published papers of
Mary, Queen of Scots, and in the papers of James II of England. He
says: ‘I began this work with separate commissions from separate
families, doing work on these genealogies. What happened was they
began to converge. It became very apparent, and it took a long time,
because genealogies have to be done backwards, put together
backwards, and constructed backwards; but what was happening was
that a triangle from a large top base with numerous family lines,
was pulling to a point. I suddenly realized what this point was and
I said ‘wow! do you realize what I have found here?’ and they said
‘oh, you know, the father of so and so,’ and I said ‘oh, no, no,
what I am finding is that this comes out of the house of Judah in
the first century.’ And they said: ‘yeah, we know all that, what we
wanted you to do was blah blah blah.’ So, he says that he had access
to Celtic Church records dating back to 37 A.D., the very documents
that the Knights Templar brought out of Europe in 1128 and
confronted the Church establishment with, and frightened the life
out of them because these were documents that talked about
bloodlines and genealogies. Blah blah blah. Before I go on, this guy
says that all these family lines go back to the house of Judah. Do
they actually have written genealogies back to the house of Judah
connecting the royal families of Europe to this house? A: Somewhere, maybe.
Q: Did Jesus descend from the house of Judah?
A: Is it important really?
Q: I don’t know. I am building a basis for further questions.
A: You need not build bases.
Q: In other words, this guy is just blowing more smoke over the
issue? I think he is blowing smoke. A: Okay.
Q:
You are agreeing with me that he is blowing a lot of smoke?
A: Perhaps.
Q: It seems to me that if what he was saying was true, that he
certainly would not be allowed to say it. It’s based on and
converges with all the stories they are telling about
Rennes-le-Chateau and seems to be more smokescreen. Anyway, Mike has
questions. (M) You said that this place over Rennes-le-Chateau was a
window. What is a window? (L) Now, I realize that we have all
assumed that we know what a window is, but we have never really
asked for a definition. Could you define for us a ‘window? A:
Convergence; opening to alternative states via energy grid
points.
Q: Are windows where you can pass back and forth? Moving between
realms? A: It is possible.
Q: How does a window differ from a ‘portal?’
A: Window is open, portal is crafted.
Q:
A window is naturally occurring portal? A: Close.
Q: Does a window remain open all the time, or does it open and close
for various reasons. A: Closer to latter.
Q:
What determines its opening and closing? A: Frequency.
Q: Frequency of what? A: Energy patterns.
Q: Frequency patterns of the area itself, or of people, or of people
in interaction with the area? A: Former.
Q:
What could occur to change the frequency of the area?
A: EM pulse.
Q: Where do these EM pulses originate from?
A: They are transmutable.
Q: Transmutable from what?
A: Not online.
Q: What? A: Your assumptions get you lost.
Q: What does it mean when you say ‘EM pulses are transmutable?’
A: We will not answer these rapid fire inquiries as they abridge
learning.
Q: I suggested that one of the things you may have meant by
suggesting, last week, an investigation of pyrotechnics, might be as
simple as finding where, on the planet, are the highest number of
lightning strikes, and that these might indicate foci of grid
points. Would this be, in fact, a good line to follow? A: One of them.
Q: Could you offer more clues about this ‘pyrotechnic’ suggestion,
because we were pretty much drawing a blank during the week on it.
It was not a useful path so far. A: But it will be. Rome was not built in a day, and neither is your
higher
knowledge.
Q: Last week when I asked about the stations of the cross in the
church of Rennes-le-Chateau, whether they were important or would
give clues, you said ‘some, but they are gilded.’ Mike suggested
that this term could mean 1. To overlay with gold; 2. To give an
attractive, but deceptive appearance; and 3. Guild, as in
organization. He asks: I wonder which definition they meant? A:
2.
Q: Okay, he asks again about the beehive huts. You said they were
not ‘germain’ and we have already discussed that issue. He writes:
were these huts really used for honey production, that doesn’t seem
logical. Were they built in the 19th century by the agrarians you
mentioned, or just used by them? Because some of them are completely
filled with rocks. A: Crystals figure in here.
Q: Why do crystals figure in here? A: Look to see.
Q: He asks if there is a technology buried in the area to facilitate
the workings of the window? A: No need for that.
Q: He asks: Could WE use it? A: You could be zapped by it.
Q: He wanted to know why the EM grid was important...
A: See 1954 UFO mapping study: France.
[BRH calls and joins session via telephone.]
Q: (BRH) I was very inspired by the particular Cassiopaean who spoke
to me a couple of years ago. Would it be possible to communicate
further with that particular individual... is that possible? A:
Of course, as we are all one and the same, and yet we are all
individuals.
Q: (BRH) I knew it! Hello old friend! (L) Well, I didn’t think you
could do that! A: Hello Dev! Ha ha, we fooled ya!
Q: (BRH) What you told me before that produced such a profound
change in my life, was ‘we see the little one who frequents your
shoulder is the binder that will ultimately solidify all of the
unanswered questions.’ That strikes me as immensely profound and I
don’t know where or how to find a lead on this. A: Soul connects.
Q: (BRH) What are these soul connections? A:
We hesitate to use the term “soul mates,” as your culture has
convoluted the
meaning to connotate something of a romantic nature. However, it is
still succinct, as in this case, the student learns prime meaning of
love from the teacher.
Q: (BRH) Who is the student and who is the teacher?
A: Who think ye?
Q: (BRH) You have mentioned soul connections and past lives, and I
have no idea in my wildest imagination how to pursue uncovering this
information, and I hope you don’t suggest hypnosis... A: There is no need for such a pursuit, as the answers will reveal
themselves
when needed.
Q: (BRH) Thank you very much old Friend, but I don’t want to take up
any more time on personal questions... A: Take up our time? Not to worry, the time clock is borken, and we
have been
unable to bring ourselves to contact the repair person, or in our
case, the repair 6th density being of light!
Q: (BRH) Is there anything you want to say to BRH at this point that
he hasn’t thought of, but ought to ask? A: Palomar? What gives?
Q: (BRH) I can’t believe it! I was just going over that and thinking
to myself that it was too late... they gave that suggestion several
years ago, and I was thinking that the window of opportunity had
passed... is it too late to stake out Palomar? A: Never too late, but we suggested this before.
Q: (L) Is staking out the only way? Can he follow other research
clues? A: There is a flat rock up there, near the road, off the guard rail.
We know it
as just below the observatory about 1.3 kilometers. Is inconvenient
for driving and especially parking, but if there is a will, there is
a way. Look for the juniper as a sight line guide post. [From this
point on, for some reason, the tape did NOT record, so questions are
reconstructed.]
Q: (BRH) What about this thing I had surgically
removed from my back that went ‘plink’ when it dropped into the
tray? A: Silicon based.
Q: (BRH) Well, the knot reappeared almost immediately.
A: Replaced.
Q: (BRH) Replaced by whom?
A: Those who use to transceive.
Q: (BRH) You are suggesting that this is an implant?
A: Yes. Those can happen in work setting, too. Could have been
planted by a
“coworker.”
Q: (BRH) I am wondering about my present job...
A: The environment in general is negative.
Q: (BRH) I have been thinking about arranging to work fewer hours so
that I can have time to write a book... A: Use your heart chakra to answer this. Sorry, but now we must go.
Goodbye.
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