[BH is Bill Hamilton,
DB is Dr. Dan Burisch]
BH: Okay, now this was unusual, right? You were taken to the
Dulce
facility.
DB: This was the first time I was taken to the facility at LANL, yes
[Note: Los Alamos Nat’l Labs]
BH: Go ahead and just describe as you would.
DB: I was initially I was not told why I was being taken up first to
Watertown, then over to the Sector 4 facility [Note: the infamous
S4, outside of
Area 51]. I was asked to view certain slides from the
Sector 4 facility which showed the papilloma [sp?] virus, and these
slides were set up under a transmission electron microscope. There
were maps[?] there.
I was asked what my knowledge was of the
papilloma virus, I told them it was limited, and then they told me
they needed to take me to another location. We boarded an aircraft,
a very small Lear jet, and we flew east - we HAD to have gone east,
for the general geography was east after landing, I boarded a
chopper, I think it was a Blackhawk chopper to the best of my
knowledge, as I’m not an expert in military aviation. The Blackhawk
was “blacked out”, no pun intended, and we flew from the airstrip to
what I was told was part of LANL.
From there I was loaded into a
white van [Note! Note!] and taken up a road which was very bumpy.
They finally, after about 15 minutes, allowed us to raise the blinds
on the van. I saw a couple of road signs, one of which was a square
white sign with black lettering that said “R4”. I was then told we
would be taken to (myself and 2 other gentlemen) a facility code-named
“Sweetness”. They asked me if I had ever heard of the “Dulce
Facility” or the alleged “Section D”, as you mentioned [here Dan
smiles as he leans towards Bill]. I believe that’s what you’re
referring to the other day.
I told them I’d heard of it briefly,
that it allegedly existed, that there was a lot of unique tinkering
that went on in the biological field in that facility. The van
rounded to the left and stopped in front of a large door, where we
were met by 2 gentlemen, one of which was wearing a US Marine Corps
uniform and the other who wore a grey polo shirt, with black collar,
and a red patch, very prominent red patch with a black triangle ---something
written in the triangle you had asked me about the orientation of
the triangle, and it was an equilateral triangle, with the center
point facing down flat on top it bothers me when I can’t remember a
pattern, but as God is my witness I can’t remember what was inside
the triangle.
So we went inside, to the left, where a guard greeted
us and provided us with an orange badge. We went within a series of
roll-up doors, to a small foyer, with an elevator to the right,
which took us down to the first level down while we were going
through the foyer I noticed there was an “FM1” sprayed on the door.
The FM1, I don’t know what that meant, I have not been told. If it’s
anything like the 4-1, for Sector Four Level One at Papoose Lake, I
would make the assumption that the “1” stood for “Level 1”. The “FM”
I don’t know. After travelling down one floor, we exited this turned
into a crazy bit of funny business [here Dan smiles wryly] exited
the elevator, and they changed our badge for a blue badge.
We re-signed
in and were fingerprinted at that point, brought into a small room,
and were told that they had some business that they needed to attend
to with regards to the papilloma virus, and asked if we had been
briefed on the papilloma virus. At that point, myself and the 2
other gentlemen kind of looked at each other and went “UMMMM?!?!?”
[Dan makes a weird sound and chuckles], just what we had been asked
a few hours ago.
They basically looked disturbed, like someone had
dropped the ball. We then went with our blue badeges in hand to a
second set of elevators, went down one more floor, exited, where
they gave us our orange badges back (or what looked like our orange
badges). Following our orange badges, we entered into a -well I’ve
never been to the New York subway, but it looked like a small
monorail system, like something out of Disneyland this business ’it’s
a small world’ monorail.
We travelled about several hundred yards on
the monorail, exited, were greeted by a staff scientist, who then
told us he would escort us down the hallway to show us our areas of
responsibility. At this point they had a near civil rebellion on
their hands because we didn’t know what the hell they wanted us for.
I was starting to get worried at this point, because they were
basically taking us further and further into the facility and
gradually doors were going to lock.
But given the number of guards
they had in the facility, and I should’ve said all along the way,
there were people with what looked like AR-15s, clearly not a place
to fight. So we went down the hallway and into the briefing room, at
which point we were requested to perform an analysis of plasmic
recombination involving restricted enzymes on a variety of tissue to
remove segments of retrovirus fragment and to possible,
associate that retrovirus with the genome of a papilloma virus.
BH: What was the source of this tissue?
DB: The source of the tissue was listed with a
J number and a K
number. The 2 scientists that were with me did not immediately know
what that meant. Given my experience at Sector 4, I knew fairly
quickly that I was dealing with a J-Rod sample.
BH: An
extraterrestrial biological source?
DB: Yes. The J-Rods are still defined, despite what we know
concerning the issue of the Paradox, as “Extraterrestrial Biological
Entities”, given the dissociation of time between Earth and where
they end up.
BH: Right.
DB: I don’t do things without reason. The 2 scientists that were
with me I didn’t know from Adam previous to the meeting, but I kinda
spilled the beans and I let them know about the K-24 samples. The
K-24 samples from Sector 4 specifically involved the research
project having to do with Project Aquarius for which I was one of
the Working Group leaders. Ummm ....pardon me, but these are very
difficult things to say with a camera staring at me [Dan is
nervously toying with his glasses as he speaks.]
BH: Proceed at your own pace.
DB: [smiles darkly] I have no choice!....BUT. [laughter from the
hallway; Dan stops and stares darkly at the doorway for a moment].
Following my spilling the beans, now proceeded the interrogation;
they wanted to know why I told them about the K-24 samples, and it’s
the old axiom if you’re asked why? you ask Why Not?. The
interrogation was ceased fairly quickly at that point, and we were
brought into a Clean Sphere environment, external capsule Clean
Sphere, where we were told what the real purpose of the project was.
[loooooong pause ] ummmm ...now I have to be VERY careful [smiles grimacingly]
BH: Is this something that ...
DB: [interrupting, in a rehearsed, anunciated monotone:] Having had
no previous experience with biological warfare [looks around (and I
don’t have a polygraph hooked up to me here) repeating] Having had
no previous experience with biological warfare materials, it came as
quite the surprise to me that they could possibly be considering the
usage of an alien retrovirus recombined with a terrestrial viral
genome for possible use in BCW activities, or at least possible
activities that could move toward biological warfare as applied
terrestrially. [looooong pause]
BH: Hunh! [looooong pause]
DB: The potential for its use in that kind of environment was
inconsistent with my ethical boundaries. It would have exited the
ethical boundaries I place upon myself as a scientist, and that I
believe society places on me as a scientist, it would also far
divert from moral boundaries I believe my Creator has placed upon me
as a human being. Therefore my answer was No. [pause] And I thought
that was it, and I don’t mean my participation thought that would’ve
been ’all she wrote’. They agreed to house me in the facility, where
I went with my cute little orange badge to a residential unit a
little further down the tram line and one level below that (they did
not change my orange badge when I went the level below). My
experience during the time I stayed there was horrifying. You know
when you hear human beings screaming in pain?
BH: Yes : [looooong pause; he grimaces, sighs in anguish with eyes
closed, obviously in pain at remembering]
DB: I think I’ve said all I
need to say about that.
BH: So, have you seen any similar activity at the Papoose Lake site,
S4?
DB: (nodding his head yes) Yes, S4, Level 3 .which is basically
considered the ’housing unit’ ts been called different things; the ’Museum’,
the ’Housing Unit’, the ’Hall of Tortures’ ...the ’Animal Retention
Facility’. One of the horrifying things about the S4 facility is travelling in the elevator system and there is enough of a sound
conduit in the elevator system where you can hear the sounds of the
’test subjects’ from the 3rd floor while you are in the elevator
system on various other floors, and the sounds are akin to what I
heard at the Dulce facility. Every once in awhile you could hear the
sounds of other vertabrates dogs, cats, monkeys, screaming some of
which are just natural behaviors due to how they’re being kept, in
sterile -when I say sterile I mean not conducive to a [?]
environment, more like a housing facility such as a kennel, and
occasionally you can hear the sounds of [here he chokes up] your
brothers and sisters
BH: Now the J-Rod was kept on the fifth level, the bottom-most level,
in a clean environment?.....
DB: [nods] A pressurized hydrogen Clean Sphere, yes.
BH: Part of what the J-Rod breathed; was that different from our own
nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere; that was different from our own in what
respect?
DB: In the respect that the larger partial pressure was hydrogen,
and in so doing we have a pressure differentiation and a temperature
difference. It was an extremely cold facility, in the Clean Sphere.
There was insufficient oxygen in the gaseous mixture to support
human life, human as we understand it presently. In other words, if
I had been introduced into the Clean Sphere, not wearing the TES [suit]
I would have died rapidly, from asphyxiation and from cold.
BH: Was the mixture flammable?
DB: [nods vigorously] Yes! Well, not flammable at the temperature it
was being maintained at. Yes, it was extremely cold I don’t remember
the exact number [degrees] t’s been a long time since I was in there.
BH: So when was the last time you were in there? ’94, was it?
DB: ummm : ’95?
DB: [smiles knowingly] Oh, you’re probably referring back to the Q94
document that is, in fact, a date [murmuring as BJ comes in to the
room] the infamous “109a”, and b, c, d, & e unfortunately, the rest of
the document didn’t didn’t leak
BH: Now this latest [here
Dan interrupts, finishing his thought,
obviously experiencing painful memories, saying “I’m sorry just
thought about how it got out, and what happened to my friends .”]
BH: Now this request, which you turned down at Dulce, and they
weren’t too happy about
DB: I re-turned the request down the following morning, at which
point I was threatened to be maintained as a permanent resident [smiles
sardonically] and I asked whether or not I would be taken to the ’kennel’,
would that be the result of my residency, and they kinda laughed it
off almost scurrilously, and I was transported later that afternoon
back to the Air Force base here at Nellis, from where I was taken
back to Watertown [insider slang for Area 51] and released [chuckles
darkly] to my own recognizance
BH: Did you feel like you gained further insight into what the
Program was about, and what Majestic was doing.
DB: [interjecting] Well I know full well what
Majestic is doing on a
few different levels; I don’t know all the activities, I wouldn’t be
privy to them, but I know full well about the activities involving
the association of the J-Rods, I know full well about the ’work’
that they have undergone involving Raindancer, which is a
compartmentalized project within the
chemtrail project, [Duncan Kunz
should fall on his sword now], and I know full well what their
involvement is regarding BCW work (Biological and chemical warfare)
involving the retroviruses.
-
A: I agree with trying to help, but
moving cautiously,
-
B: The second of the two, I am in disagreement
with the philosophy, because it was the employment of a heli-case
restriction virus, and
-
C: I am in total disagreement with due to
moral and ethical reasons.
BH: Now, was there any indication to you that we’re still caught on
a timeline that is probably headed for future catastrophe?
DB: [lonnnng pause .he mulls the question over] You’re talking about
the Doctrine of Convergent Timeline Paradox?
BH: You might want to talk about that a little bit
DB: Well, as I understand it, as I understand I’ve got no personal,
how can I have personal experience with a time paradox? [shrugs
shoulders, gestures pleadingly, smiles almost incredulously] aside
from living in the reality within which we exist. But from what I
understand from what I’ve read, and from the conversations to which
I’ve been privy, we are in fact living in a chimera a reality
chimera, which hodge-podges together the reality time-line that we
would normally associate with moving from A to B, cause to effect,
with the nexus being the passage of clock-time, and a hodge-podging
together superimposed onto that in our reality of errors that we
made in our future, to attempt to go back into our past to correct
the problems of our future.
Those results have hodge-podged a rather
than splitting a time-stream as maybe such people as Michio Kaku
would posit. Now I’m no theoretical physicist. I’m just a lowly
biologist that looks at patterns, but it hodge-podges together, in a
real sense to us, those things which happened are to happen in the
future with our present timeline due to an interruption of the
time-stream. Instead of splitting into two time-streams, what
happened is as soon as we mucked around with something, we overlaid
a second time-stream into the present reality. And the problem with
that is, as I understand we did it more than once, so what we have
is a snowball effect. A time-stream, upon time-stream, upon time-stream
[loops his hand continuously in the air]
BH: Okay, I understand what you’re saying a loop within a loop
DB: Yes, more of a well, from my framework, moving from A to B [here
loops his hands again, and points to where the loop returns to
rejoin the string] looping like this, and each of those nodes would
be an overlay of a time-stream. So the more we muck with it, the
worse we get.
BH: And the critical period of time is coming up
within about ten
years?
DB: [starts to half-nod diagonally] The critical period, according
to the history [here face breaks into incredulous smile] of which has
not technically been written yet if you walk outside and say this
[gestures grandly towards the door] they will charge you with
incoherency! [laughs, then whispers “I had to say that!”] The
history has not been written yet, if you walk outside here [now he
is extremely serious]. But according to the history books that I
read, there is a ’difficulty’, unless they further overlaid
something in the time-stream that either corrects it or gets us out
of the paradox in which we live, which I don’t know how the hell
that would happen. I don’t pretend to understand that kind of stuff.
Put a slide in front of me and I’ll do a micro on it, okay? [here he
is smiling and addressing his response to BJ] [returning to Bill and
the camera] but yeah, around 2012. We’re talking about
the famous
Dec 21, 2012, the Mayan issues the Catastrophe is alleged to have
and to occur around yeah, that date .and what we can do about it I
have no clue.
BH: But we have a split, so to speak, in the human ?
DB: [nodding] Following the Catastrophe, there is a split between
those individuals that take a more spiritual path and will move
forward to places such as the Moon and Mars and then onward from
there to Orion, and those folks who take a more rudimentary path
because it’s the alleged ’spiritual’ nature of humankind, from their
philosophy at that time, which led us to not deal with the pressing
problems of the day because we were too busy fighting our petty
religious battles, that then go off into a more ’logical’,
’mathematical’, ’numerological’ philosophy. Those folks who then
progress SLOWER because of the lack of ambition - spiritual ambition
- then gradually moving off to the Reticulum area, who then become
the J-Rods.
BH: Now, by what process do they become (J-rods); is it some kind of radiational mutation that takes place in their cell structure?
DB: Well the adaptive radiation occurs time past the Catastrophe
this is according to what I’ve read. Now the only thing I can say
for sure, say for damned sure, is the interaction with the being
that I had at Sector 4 [S4]. Now I can say nothing authoritatively
about the peculiar adaptive radiation that occurred toward Orion,
the spiritual half of the species, following the Catastrophe aside
from the few things I’ve read about it and petty chat going on at,
uh,
Jehovah’s [Jehovah’s?!? Did we hear that right?!? -ed.], but the
J-rods undergo adaptive radiation to the form that we see presently
uh, the word ’presently’ is kind of relative when it comes to these
issues now but, ’presently’ due to time and exposure after they’ve
moved off to Reticulum.
The height began to decrease as a function
of microevolutionary changes. The eye size, the same; the eyes
started getting larger which by the way is an interesting thing,
because as the eyes were getting larger, and this was before the
true darkening occurred, via the cover lenses, and the double
lensing, the double lid system that they have [here Dr B toggles his
fingers to describe the double eyelids of the J-rods] which is a
very beautiful architecture, but something happened, with
their travelling back into time. It’s part of the problem here they
actually landed in the Land of Enchantment [tag line for the State
of New Mexico -ed.] before the structures changed for their eyes.
BH: [slowly, amazed] The land of enchantment .
DB: [knowing nod] Um-hm.
1947.
BH: Okay. New Mexico, right?
DB: Yes, and I’m not so certain how close the young lady was and how
this all fits in even in my own life. Miss June Crain. [remember
that Dr B’s given surname was Crain, which he changed in ’95 at his
own request; June Crain is mentioned in much of the lore surrounding
Roswell -ed.] But the little folks which were obtained there were
not fully, what I would say, fully “greys” at the time, and could
not be considered fully J-rods at the time because they had not
moved later on to the Gliese system to gradually hopefully try to
correct the problem that they’re making worse for us but [here Dan
heaves a huge sigh] paradoxes
BH: So this may...
DB: I can sound incoherent! [laughs out loud toward
BJ, she laughs
too]
BH: So this may have been at some point where they had developed
space and time travel, but not at the later stages, maybe the
earlier?
DB: Well their evolution hadn’t even been completed at that point.
Completed to the point where I had had experience of meeting the
’gentleman’ that I met at Sector 4. [pause] It’s difficult we were
trained to call them ’specimens’ and they’re just frankly not
specimens. People are people. But they had not developed the
darkening system yet. In fact that was a microevolutionary change
which occurred because of the particular solar issues which were
going on on the planet that we - meaning the shorter folks - moved
off to, and these changes were just beginning to take place at the
time that they were working the time travel issues and landed in ’47, so their eyes actually contained a structure which while larger
were very similar to ours. Which they don’t have now.
But that may
account for the varying opinions between the darkened eyes and the
structure of the eyes that the eyewitnesses provided from I guess it
was the Brazel ranch or something like that I understand there was
some sort of differential between the two descriptions. I have not
seen any of the bodies or anything like that from the Roswell issue,
so I can’t speak for certain. You asked me to free-wheel in this
situation, so I [here Dan leads forward and gestures apologetically
toward Bill and the camera]
BH: Right. And you didn’t get briefed specifically on what happened
at Roswell then?
DB: In the briefing books there were mentions kay?.... And there was
probably a very heavy specific briefing in there, but when I was
first brought up to the Groom area [part of the Area 51 complex
-ed.], when we were provided with the briefing books, frankly I
didn’t care. I thought I was up there, to be very honest with you,
to work some sort of bio-remediation project?....uh, more leaning to
what ended up in reality as the Raindancer program.
You know, the Raindancer and the
chemtrail program because I was extremely
interested at the time not only in the histology and the
histopathology but I was also extremely interested in biospherics,
which is what got me interested in, what forwarded me in with the
NASA folks, and the AVL [???] project, the biological laboratory
project, etc etc so I wasn’t particularly interested, and in fact,
in fact, before I experienced the ’gentleman’ in the Clean Sphere, I
frankly thought, honestly thought, that people who believed in
aliens were tin-foil heads. [Here Dan shrugs his shoulders and
shakes his head, then chuckles wryly saying “egg on my face!”]
BH: Were there not any other aliens at the Dulce facility, or were
you not made aware of any?
DB: I was, in fact, made aware in a conversation that there are
processes underway where they are, in fact, producing hybrids
[pause]. And it is just, inconceivable; we’re in the middle of a
paradox as it is; we’ve got our own progeny making our paradox worse
[pause] and we’re ADDING to it! God only knows where this is going to
lead to, simply because we’re proDUCING these, these, I don’t want
to say monsters because I don’t know WHAT it is, to be very honest
with you. I do know that we’ve taken the process of natural
selection and thrown it out the window! [Dan is getting passionate
now]. And not only have we done that, we’ve done so willfully and
with negligence toward our own future! It’s extremely angering to me
because I’m watching us (boy, I’m gonna hafta watch my language
here!) I’m watching us muck our world up worse, with indifference
BJ (BJ Wolf): and also with arrogance
DB: Or almost! As soon as you add 2 things together which are not
meant to be together [here he turns to Bill and gestures with his
forearm] It’s the old thing, if you want to go into the popular
movies of dinosaurs and men being separated by 65 million years of
history, in that hat Jurassic Park movie or whatever, the rape of the
natural world, well by God he got it right! We’re raping her! [Dan
is really impassioned now; you can tell this is what has gotten him
so angry]... and damn us for it! Damn us for it!
BH: So, what do they hope to accomplish by producing these
hybrids?
DB: That they didn't tell me!
BH: And what do they hope to accomplish by producing hybrids?
DB: That they didn’t tell me. Not specifically. I can theorize that
what they’re doing is taking the Aquarius project and they’re taking
it to the next step the next level, if you will. Kinda like taking
the atom bomb and turning it into the hydrogen bomb, no matter what
evil comes out of it.
BJWolf: At the end of the Q94 document, you
make some rather strong statements against doing exactly this
DB:
Wild types [at this point Dan’s demeanor becomes grim and
passionately determined] See the problem is this: we have viruses
which are resident within our genome. When you begin combining,
cloning if you will, for lack of a better term, the retroviruses
which are present in our genome - what we would say naturally - and
god only knows what’s REALLY in there because of the reality with
which we’re dealing and those things which we know are NON-resident
what are we possibly going to release? Can anybody tell us what the
origin of viruses are?
They tell us they are evolutionary archives;
throwbacks from time immemorial in the evolutionary history of life
on earth. “Really?” [Dan asks rhetorically] I was asked about
inconsistencies a little while ago about USN vs. USMC. I brought out
a consistency having to do with my own birthdate 1960 vs. 1964... and
I said “gosh gee whillikers, I was awful young then”. Well how young
were we when life evolved on this planet? [at this point Dan is as
animated as Bruce Willis at his most vehement] Or in fact was
seeded? How young were we then? How do we know? We don’t.
Thus is
also causes the resident danger within the project within which I
am currently working.
BH: Which is the Staarflower project
DB: It’s a
subset of the Staarflower project. I originally... it’s named the
Lotus. Staarflower was the umbrella project above it.
BH: Now I see
that spelled two ways tarflower and Staarflower.
DB: The way I
originally envisioned it was Star, and then you see it the way that
’They’ applied it, within the actual classification system which was
Staar.
BH: Does that refer to a group?
DB: Well that in fact does, well it’s a “beanbox”. We refer to them
as ’beanboxes’. I’m in a particular beanbox which is called
Aquarius. There’s a Staar beanbox, and that group specifically deals
with time issues, issues involving the larger millieu of
extraterrestrial interactions, and with the historical issues
involving the imprints of the extraterrestrials on civilizations
past, and how those imprints affect us today. That’s as I understand
it, but see that’s not my beanbox.
BJWolf: I’ve gotta go back to something before you started talking
about STAAR
DB: (rooting around in his chair) We each get our own little funky
funky Aquarius uh
BJ: I’ve gotta go back to something you said: “Terrestrial viruses
are an archive”. However, previously you had said that they had
asked you to “manipulate non-terrestrial source material and lock
it up with something that was terrestrial” so if we’re trying to tap
a source material that is extraterrestrial and viral in nature are
we going back into the extraterrestrial history to try to find an
extraterrestrial ancient virus that we don’t know anything about the
extraterrestrials now?
DB: Well first of all I didn’t say that.
First of all I have to
correct you that viruses were evolutionary archives, I said that “it
is currently thought that viruses are evolutionary archives”.
Secondly, are we dipping into the primordial soup of the human
genome and possibly going to capture other encoded retroviruses and
activate them as a result of the present time-dipping of our ladle.
[Here Dan is the deadly serious scholar with the forefinger punched
into the temple of the ponderer].
Yes, possibly we are. Thirdly.
[here he takes off his glasses, shuts his eyes in a dark grimace,
resting his temple against his fingers] Do we know for certain WHEN
the certain percentage of the human genome, which we know as virally
and at some uh uh ...other fragments Viroid fragments. Do we know the
percentage that came via natural selection ----micro-evolutionary
change. I’m not going to have myself classified as a monkey’s
uncle here [both Bill and BJ are laughing] although I could accept
it, if that is the ultimate reality, why not! If I can accept what
I’ve seen already in my life I’d have to be able to accept that
.Will we be able to discern between the two, I think is the question
: That is my question : The answer is “NO”, unless we are receiving
more information from the Orion folks, (whoever the hell they are,
truly), the ’spiritual’ ascended beings or whatever I don’t know,
I don’t have any direct experience with them ...or are receiving more
information from the J-rods than to which I am privy, then the
answer is, (if we’re not), the answer is “No, we don’t” . If we are,
“possibly”. I don’t know what the nature of the information would be
that’s coming from them, because they’re not providing me with that
information.
BJ: What you get is compartmentalized just exactly what it is they
think you need to know [here Dan’s body language is saying ’Duh!’ ’Of course!’]
DB: Look. If it comes out that we are in the fix that we are in what
is that going to do????????? how is it going to help or hinder?
Hell, I don’t know!!! Would the collective mind of present humanity
bring us toward a positive answer? Look at the state of the world!
[here BJ is pacing back and forth behind the camera, and Dan follows
her with his line of sight]
BJ: It couldn’t get much worse!
DB: What are we going to do? Are we going to hand this to Kofi Annan
and the United Nations??!!?? Hah hah!!!!! And I’m not meaning to
belittle the man!, he’s an intelligent, wonderful man! [here Dan
looks and sounds like Bruce Willis at his most earnest] but what in
the hell’s HE going to do with it?? What in the hell’s he going to
do with it?!? What is the collective mind of humanity, given our
present mentality, DO?!??? This may bring us to a faster demise by
increasing more ore fractionation of the human populace.!!!!
We
haven’t even figured out yet that THIS god [points to the left] and
THAT god [points to the right] and THIS god {again] and THAT god
[again] ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME GOD!!!!! So how in the hell are we
going to figure out that problem?? No matter what you want to call
Him, It, Her, whatever ...the beautiful thing from which we come!!!!
People want to own everything, EXCEPT the solutions. The thing which
will free us, is if we own the solution, but ’They’ want to own the
process of getting to it.
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D. Burisch: The clean sphere would raise up through a diaphragm iris from the
floor. They kept him (J-Rod) in a separate location - I don’t know
what they were doing while he was being staged there before we came
in. They never told me that, OK? However, the 4-5 designation was
given specifically to make him comfortable because of the addition
of the two numbers, which is in fact why they built a 9-level base.
And there have been a number of people in the past - Robert Lazar, I
believe mentioned nine.
But going in, there would be an entry team, usually a team of one
when we would go into the clean sphere. We would be given a medical
and suited while catheterized and plugged... ... (first words about degeneration of something are not clear)
which was associated with a heat loss problem due to the peripheral
nerves.
"LINDA HOWE QUESTION: Then how could
J-Rod be in a very COLD hydrogen atmosphere?
I was asked specifically to find out the origin of that problem
having no idea at the time about this time paradox business and all
of that. No clue whatsoever about it. I was basically just trying to
help a fellow being. Finally, it was determined that the only way
would be a cloning effort, or clone therapy, genetic therapy. The
only way to proceed with that therapy would be to produce hybrid
associations between present genomes, human genomes - (very hard to
hear)- a present human genome with their (J-Rod) present genomes. We
tinkered a little bit with (says something here not understandable)
fresh human medium - (I’m not going to get into the origin of that
fresh human medium.) - so that we could by associating genetically
the fresh human media with his medium, a partial alleviation of the
peripheral neuropathy.
This then lead to the next level - that we were chatting about
earlier - and it also lead to the end of the Q-94 document
referenced earlier.
NOW CAN YOU SAY FOR A MOMENT,
DAN, WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO NOW
DISCLOSE THIS MATERIAL TO THE PUBLIC?
Sure. That’s not a problem at all. We speak in America freely. In
1986, I was told to “Be All You Can Be.” (military slogan?) I was
not told there would be a circumventing of the United States
Constitution for me to be all I could be. I was not told there was a
certain ???? of the United States Constitution in the group for
which I worked. I feel a pressing need for freedom and having grown
up in a reasonably free environment, having signed myself into the
slavery that I now find myself within, it’s pretty easy for me to
say, “Enough is enough.”
Now, on to the higher values that people would probably want to say
the real reason why I want out - I just gave that’s a personal
reason I want the hell out.
DO YOU KNOW WHO IS CONTROLLING THIS SHOW ON THE TOP?
They probably know I’m seated her today (room in Las Vegas, Nevada
library). I’m sure they do. I’m sure they do. Now, whether or not
they want this information evolved and are aware that I am sitting
here, or they are just aware that I’m sitting here, I don’t know. I
don’t know. That’s the big question: is what I heard was a project
called PATCHWORK, which would be a spoon feeding of the people of
the information, because I only know a certain amount. I don’t know
everything.
Who is running the show? You asked who is running the show?
YES.
I’ve come to know a group - I shouldn’t say I’ve come to know the
group. I’ve come to know of the group called the Committee of the
Majority. This committee is built of thirty-three men. They are
Masonic-based and they are people who set in the highest positions
of privilege and power within the U. S. government and other
governments.
THIS COMMITTEE HAS MEMBERS NOT RESTRICTED TO THE UNITED STATES
ALONE?
As I understand, yes. It would be difficult for me to name names of
people and I don’t know for sure are seated there. It would also be
dangerous to the very cause that I set here for freedom (for
myself.)
HOW DOES THIS GROUP, MAJESTIC 12, FIT INTO THAT?
Majestic 12 is a group of scientists and scientific advisors who
work for the Committee of the Majority. Now, I have had occasion
when I was involved with Project Aquarius to have to send to the
so--called Majestic 12 the documents which you are privy, the leaked
material from my deceased friends. And I had association with them
on that level. One of the Majestic 12 - or I should say was alleged
to be a member of Majestic 12 - was present at the clean sphere when
I was in the clean sphere. I’ve mentioned his name before. This
might be risking again my freedom because of the very problems we
face now as a society. So, I’ve got to be careful about that whether
or not that sacrifices my freedom.
OK."
(DB):
His first name is Zbigniew. That’s as far as I will go. I had
personal experience with that man Zbigniew. He was in fact present
at Sector 4 when I was involved with the J-Rod. Going out from
Project Aquarius, I had come to a closer association by means of up
and down the line, the conduit, with the Committee of the Majority.
I believe that the Majestic 12 group only associated with particular
extraterrestrial projects that are going on that are going on within
the community and not associated with the entirety of the scientific
projects which are going on within the community. The project we are
currently working with, for instance, is not per se an
extraterrestrial subject-based project. So, the fact that I’ve been
told not to route things to the Majestic Committee of 12 concerning
the documents that I’ve been producing is kind of indicative to me
that they are only dealing within a certain subset of the scientific
projects. More than that, I don’t know or can’t say. I would just be
stabbing in the dark.
BJ: BUT ESSENTIALLY, THE COMMITTEE OF THE MAJORITY IS OVER MAJESTIC
12?
(DB):
Yes, is the umbrella group. Again, as I understand, they are
Scottish rite Masonic based. I think they might be a little lenient
with me because my grandfather was a (high ranking) Mason. Maybe
that’s why the leniency. But I don’t see the leniency, I see the
fuse running short, starting to run short with me and I - you know,
you can hear the clarion call in the distance.
(BH):
IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR SIGNIFICANCE - YOU WERE MENTIONING A CYCLE
OF NINE AND YOURS THAT THESE ALIENS SEEM TO BE ADHERING TO AND THE
NEXT PERIOD COMING UP WOULD BE OF 2003.
(DB): Yes.
(BH):
IS THERE ANY INSIGHT ON WHAT MIGHT CHANGE?
(DB): The only thing I know for sure is that their relationship with
us is treaty-based.
(BH):
YOU MEAN AS?
(DB): As in the alleged Orion visitors and
confirmed Reticulan
visitors. It’s a treaty-based relationship. That treaty and
negotiations for further cooperative work is due for re-upping and
that re-upping is due in 2003.
Now, I’ve been kind of hurried up in the project in which I am
currently assigned. I’ve been told to have a working model of this
theory presentable by March 15 next year (2003). There might be
coincidence having to do with those two dates, or it might be
entirely coincidental. I’m not sure.
Why are they letting this happen? I don’t know. I have not been able
to move right or left without getting watched, that I know.
(BH):
OVER HERE...
(DB): I don’t think they are doing it out of their good graces!
(BH):
WANTED TO MEET WITH YOU ONE NIGHT AND SHE HAD AN ENCOUNTER INSTEAD
WITH THREE CLASSIC MEN IN BLACK?
(BJ): They had the classic look, the feel. They didn’t feel right.
They were wearing black, they were wearing like a fedora (hat). It
was terrifying. Instead of meeting Dan, I was met and I don’t know
what these people were.
(BH): THEY SHOWED NO EXPRESSION?
(BJ): No expression in their faces. It was terrifying. They spoke and
it was like they had rehearsed what they were saying because they
couldn’t speak naturally. It was wrong. The whole thing was wrong.
It felt wrong. They walked wrong. They moved wrong. They were pale.
I finally broke and ran. I was scared to death! I haven’t been able
to go back to that park since. I can’t do it.
(DB): My experience - your description is consistent with gentlemen
with whom I’ve had previous encounters. They would come in and
observe what was going on. A few of them attempted to interact with
me and frankly, I don’t care to interact with them. Like I said, it
might look like a duck and it might quack like a duck, but if it
ain’t a duck it ain’t a duck!
(BJ): I was made to feel threatened. I was definitely made to feel
threatened.
(DB): : Their presence is threatening and the reason why it is
threatening is because you can - have you had the experience of
being in the presence of a dead body?
(BJ): Oh, yes, I have.
(DB): : An animated dead body, isn’t that approximately the same - an
animated dead body?
(BJ): Oh, my God, that is so close it is unbelievable.
(DB): It’s not - this is going to sound like something out of an
idiotic horror movie, but it gives - to not overuse the word, it
gives an ’alien feeling.’ They sang me Happy Birthday one year, two
of them.
(BH): They are like ghouls.
(BJ): That’s it!
(DB): I don’t know what the hell they are, to be very honest with
you.
(BH): That (ghoul) is what we would think of.
(BJ): Yes, it felt ghoulish. When they walked towards me, it felt
ghoulish, it felt like they were thinking about each step they took.
They weren’t moving normally.
(DB): They seemed out of place. Or maybe it is that we feel out of
place being around them. I don’t know. But they seem out of place.
(BH): : Dan, we should start wrapping this up. Is there anything you
would like to make a statement or something as if you were talking
to like the large audience I was talking to up in the Bay area. What
would you like to say to the people?
(BH): Besides the fact that I don’t believe the Queen of England is
a reptilian?!
(BH): Yes! (laughter) Is there some kind of statement you would like
to make?
(DB): I could sit here and be self-serving with a statement. But
there are things which are much more important than my selfish
nature. We are walking toward, at the moment, a time of human
destiny. The decisions that we are making at present are enhancing
the potential for the ill-fated decisions that we are supposed to
make in our future to occur.
I hope and I pray that we make the right decisions. However, I have
no idea what those right decisions are. The only thing that I can
hold to personally, taking off the guise of the biologist, is being
a human being. the only thing I can hope is that whoever he or she
or it is - we wish to call it Creator - that protective force that
is surrounding humanity since its inception - I pray that he is
listening to our weeping and pulls us back from a precipice made of
our own designs.
(BH): I appreciate very much your giving this interview tonight and
I’m not sure that you will be decorated or promoted for it. But ...
(DB): : I’d like to know in whose armies?
(BH): But I think we all appreciate it and whoever in the future
listens to this and watches this tape, I think they will be given
much food for thought.
