3.5 PROJECTS AND FACILITIES RELATED TO THE UFO/EXTRATERRESTRIAL MATTER
Copyright 1998 Steven M. Greer M.D, Prepared for Congress, 30 August 1996
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE AND RELATED FACILITIES
Government Facilities:
Edwards AFB
Haystack Butte
China Lakes
George AFB
Norton AFB
Table Top Mountain Observatory (NASA)
Blackjack Control
Aerospace Facilities
Northrop "Anthill" (Tejon Ranch)
McDonnald Douglas Llano Plant
Lockheed-Martin Helendale Plant
Phillips Labs (North Edwards facility)
THE NELLIS COMPLEX
Area 51/S4
Pahute Mesa and Area 19
Groom Lake
NEW MEXICO FACILITIES
Los Alamos National Laboratories
Kirtland Air Force Base
Sandia National Laboratories (SNL), Defense Nuclear Agency
Phillips Labs
Manzano Mountain Weapons Storage Facility, and underground complex
Coyote Canyon Test Site (N. end of Manzano)
White Sands Complex
ARIZONA
Fort Huachuca, underground storage facility, NSA and Army Intelligence complex
near Ft. Huachuca underground storage of extraterrestrial spacecraft and previously
autopsied extraterrestrial life forms
Others
Utah underground complex southwest of Salt Lake City, accessible only by air
Redstone Arsenal underground complex Alabama
Lawrence Livermore Labs
Cheyenne Mountain Colorado Deep Space Network, dedicated console for tracking UFOs
US Government Agencies with Current or Past Involvement
(Activities are compartmentalized into super-secret USAPS -Unacknowledged Special Access Projects, which means that they are not acknowledged to anyone, even those senior in the chain of command.)
NRO (National Reconnaissance Office)
NSA (National Security Agency)
CIA
Military Intelligence divisions (Army, Air Force, Navy)
Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI)
DARPA
FBI
Space Commands
others
Private Corporate Entities Believed To Be Involved
Northrup Aerospace
Boeing Aerospace
Lockheed Martin (various facilities including Denver research center)
BDM
E Systems
EG&G
Village Supercomputing, Phoenix AZ
Phillips Labs
McDonnell Douglas Corp.
TRW
Rockwell International
Booz-Allen and Hamilton, Inc.
MITRE Corp.
SAIC (Science Applications International, Inc.)
Bechtel Corp.
others
3.6 TESTIMONY THAT EXPLAINS THE SECRECY
Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin: Army National Guard Reserves
"But what happened was that Eisenhower got sold out. Without him knowing it, he lost control of what was going on with the entire UFO situation. In his last address to the nation, I think he was telling us that the Military Industrial Complex would stick you in the back if you were not totally vigilant. And, I think that he felt like he had not been vigilant. I think he felt like he trusted too many people. And, Eisenhower was a trusting man. He was a good man. And I think that he realized that all of a sudden this matter is going into the control of corporations that could very well act to the detriment of this country.
"This frustration, from what I can remember, went on for months. He realized that he was losing control of the UFO subject. He realized that the phenomenon or whatever it was that we were faced with was not going to be in the best hands. As far as I can remember, that was the expression that was used, "It is not going to be in the best hands." That was a real concern. And so it has turned out to be…
"It had been discussed with me on numerous occasions what could happen to me militarily if I discussed this. I would say that the government has done as good a job enforcing secrecy through the installation of abject fear as they have done with anything within the memory of modern man. I really believe they have done a job.
"One older officer discussed with me what possibly could happen if there was a revelation. He was talking about being erased and I said, ‘Man, what do you mean erased?’ And, he said, ‘Yes, you will be erased-disappear." And I said, "How do you know all this?’ And he said, ‘I know. Those threats have been made and carried out. Those threats started way back in 1947. The Army Air Force was given absolute control over how to handle this. This being the biggest security situation that this country has ever dealt with and there have been some erasures…’
"I don’t care what kind of a person you are. I don’t care how strong or courageous you are. It would be a very fearful situation because from what Matt [this older officer] said, ‘They will go after not only you. They will go after your family.’ Those were his words. And, so I can only say that the reason that they have managed to keep it under wraps for so long is through fear. They are very selective about how they pull someone out to make an example of. And I know that that has been done."
Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
"These two gentlemen began to question me about this event. They were being pretty rough about it, to be honest with you. I remember literally putting my hands up and saying, ‘Wait a minute fellows. I am on your side. Just a minute.’ Because they were not really nice. They were very intimidating and made it quite clear to the point that nothing that was seen, heard, or witnessed, that transpired was to leave this building. ‘You are not to say a word about it to your co-workers. And off base, you just forget everything that you may have seen or heard concerning this. It didn’t happen…’"
Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Retired)
"It is sort of strange but we send people to prison, we send people to their death because of eyewitness accounts of crimes. Our legal system is based on that to a large degree. Yet in my following of unusual aerial phenomena for the past 50 years, there seems to be some reason to discredit very viable and very reputable witnesses when they say something is unidentified…
"I do know that there are agencies of our Government that can manipulate data. And you can create or recreate [whatever you want]. Craft, intelligently operated craft, have basically violated our laws of physics on this planet. And they have done that for a long time. The fact that the Government at this point -- I know we have been investigating since 1947 -- has not come up with an answer, to me indicates that there is something seriously wrong. Are we this incompetent in science? I don’t think so. Are we this incompetent in intelligence? I know we are not this incompetent in intelligence. Now, Project Blue Book, when it was closed by Dr. Condon’s group, I have every reason to believe that this was a total deliberate whitewash….
"UFO’s have been investigated for an extended period of time and the general public is not being made aware, fully aware – but are given only bits and pieces, programmed responses and things like that."
"Dr. B":
"I know that some people I worked with did disappear on certain programs and were never heard from again. They just disappeared. There has been evidence of that all through my work. You know, that people go out on projects [and disappear]. But [to protect myself from this] I wouldn’t go any further on a project because I could see something strange coming. So, a lot of people have disappeared you know, that are higher up."
Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps
"‘You weren’t supposed to be there.’ ‘You are not supposed to see this.’ ‘You are going to be dangerous if we let you go.’ I thought that they were going to kill me, really…
"They had a Lieutenant Colonel from the Air Force and he did not identify himself. And he told me, ‘If we just took you out in the jungle, they would never find you out there.’ I didn’t want to test him to see if he would really do that so I just said, ‘Yeah.’ And, he said, ‘You have got to sign these papers. You never saw this.’ I ‘don’t exist’ and ‘this situation never happened.’ And if you tell anybody, you will just come up missing…
"They are yelling at me and hollering and cursing. ‘You didn’t see anything. We will do you and your whole goddamn family.’
"It was basically that for about eight or nine hours… ‘We are going to take you off in a helicopter and we are going to kick your ass out in the jungle and we are going to end you…"
"These different agencies are on their own. They don’t obey the law. They are rogue. Do I think that this is a project that goes up through the government and everyone has a piece in it? No. I think these guys operate on their own and no one knows what they do. It is so easy to do today. And there is no oversight, no control. They just do whatever they want…
"Lethal, deadly force has been used. For those of you who don’t know, I know marine snipers and I have heard other guys talk about it and I’ve heard that these guys go on the streets and they stalk people and they kill them. I know that the Army Airborne snipers do the same thing. They use Delta Force to go grab these people and silence them by killing them."
Maj. George A. Filer, III:
US Air Force (ret.)"At times I used to carry nuclear weapons. In other words, I was mentally fit to carry nuclear weapons, but I’m not mentally fit if I see a UFO. This criticism and this ridicule have done more to keep the story coming out than almost anything else."
Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official
"I believe that governments and the military, and indeed private researchers, politicians- whoever- should place everything in the public domain on this issue. Governments can’t, I think, have it both ways. You cannot say on the one hand, as the party line often goes, that UFOs are of no defense significance, and then on the other keep back some of the data.
"You simply can’t do that. You have to have it one way or the other. And if, as governments consistently say when the politicians probe on this issue or when the media inquire, that there’s really nothing to worry about, then okay, let’s see all the data."
Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer
"We were gone over with a Geiger counter and there was one return on one of the guys, and something was taken out of his pocket. This guy was removed very quickly. And, I will swear on my life, I never saw him again. He was removed. This happened to a lot of people. It led to a suicide that the Air Force is responsible for. This is a real person with a real name…
"We were brought in and there were sheets on top of the law enforcement desk. There were about 10 of us. And there were one, two, three, four, five, six, seven stacks of documents, pre-typed. One was a pre-typed statement, all generic, of what we saw -- which was not what we saw. It said we were off-duty and saw only unknown lights flipping amongst the trees. I clearly remember that. I said, what if we don’t sign this, Major Zigler? And, he says, you have no choice. And, he says, I have no choice but to ask you to do this…
"Two people came up behind each of us, and I do remember someone heading toward him, and I heard the sound of what sounded like an aerosol. And, I went black. My nose ran profusely and my chest got tight. I, obviously, was not getting into the car properly, so I was beaten, literally hit in the ribs and pushed… Anyway, I have 20 minutes of recall and I’m gone for a day. And, it’s established with other people. People said I was on emergency leave or on leave or off the base. But I was just under the base. And, there were other personnel down there.
…I had marks, by the way, from an IV, or something, when I came out of there. I had the bruise and I had a bandage. I will admit that. That’s for real. I had it. I’m terrified to know or think of what might have happened…
"The only reason I have my records is because I was advised to steal some of them, by an Air Force Colonel, because he said they would vaporize you. He said, they are going to fireproof you. I was looked at, almost like a Frank Serpico kind of guy. I was not a team player because I was talking to everyone… religious. I respect that, but we had nothing in common. He was a nice guy. And, they did not do anything to help us…"
"During the discussion of UFO’s, the question, ultimately, is going to come up, can any government keep secrets, let alone the U.S. Government? And the answer to that is unequivocally yes. But one of the greatest weapons the intelligence community has at their disposal is a predisposition by the American people, the American politicians and the debunkers -- people who wish to try to debunk UFO information. They immediately come out and say, oh, we can’t keep secrets, we can’t keep secrets. Well, the truth is, yes, we can.
"The National Recognizance Office remained secret for many, many years. The mere existence of the NSA remained secret. The development of the atomic weapon remained secret until once you exploded one you eventually had to tell some people what was going on.
"And we are conditioned by our own paradigms not to accept the possibility or probability of a highly advanced intelligent civilization coming here to visit us. You have evidence in the form of highly credible reports of objects being seen, of the entities inside these objects being seen. Yet, we look for a prosaic explanation and we throw out the bits and pieces of the evidence that doesn’t meet our paradigm. So it is a self-keeping secret. You can conceal it in plain sight. It is political suicide to go and start hitting up intelligence agencies to get this information released. So, most of your members of Congress, and I know I’ve worked with a lot of them along that line, will balk and try not to do it. I can name you three members of Congress that were point blank asked to have a congressional inquiry on what happened here at Roswell…
"We have got to get the documentation as it exists in the Government files. We have got to get it released before it ultimately is destroyed. A good example is the Blue Fly and Moon Dust files. I had classified documents the Air Force acknowledged. When I got members of Congress to help me open up more files, they were immediately destroyed and I can prove this.
"Somewhere along the line, they may see that material and realize there is some very highly sensitive information that would have a damning effect upon the national security of United States should it become compromised. It needs to be further protected, to insure that there is only a limited access to that information to a small number of people. So small you can put them on a list of paper, on a piece of paper, and list them by name. Thus, you have the special access programs. The controls that were supposed to be put on the special access programs are not there. When Congress did their review of the way we protect documents, and the way we go ahead and implement our secrecy programs, they found that you had special access programs within special access programs -- that is was essentially impossible to keep control of them all by Congress. And, I’m telling you right now, it is essentially impossible to keep control of them all.
"When it comes to UFO’s, the same criteria applies. Therefore, only a small nucleus within the intelligence community, numbering less than a hundred- no, I’d suggest less than 50- control all that information. It is not subject to congressional review or oversight at all. So, Congress needs to go ahead and ask the hard questions and convene a hearing."
Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative
"I became part of a group that would investigate, gather the information, and in the beginning it was still under the Blue Book, Snowbird and different covert programs. I would go interview people who claimed they had seen something and try to convince them they hadn’t seen something or that they were hallucinating. Well, if that didn’t work, another team would come in and give all the threats. And threaten them and their family and so on and so forth. And they would be in charge of discrediting them, making them look foolish and so on and so forth. Now if that didn’t work, then there was another team that put an end to that problem, one way or another."
A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee
"A CNN reporter in Washington, D.C., the second time that Gorbachev came to America, was able to interview Gorbachev and his wife. When they got out on the street they drove the security detail up the wall. And a CNN reporter asked Gorbachev ‘Do you think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons?’ And his wife stepped in and she said, no, I don’t think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons because of alien spacecraft.
"Now CNN put this story on for the half hour, on CNN headline news; I heard this and I jumped up and put a blank tape in to record the next half-hour. Well, that story disappeared and you know who intercepted that. It was the CIA that got involved with that, because I know that they were monitoring CNN and all international headlines at that time. They squashed that, but I heard it. And this tells me that my information is correct about Ronald Reagan, from my NSA source. The secrecy is just total overkill as far as I’m concerned. And the Congress needs to know about this information…
"He said that we’re trying to get a lid on this to try to minimize the sightings and quell the news media and the witnesses that are reporting these sightings to the news media. The Air Force wanted to push this thing under the rug and continue to research it and just get a handle on it. He confirmed that the Air Force wanted to steer the news media off on some crazy idea that these sightings were created by college pranks and balloons and meteorological problems…
"What he told me regarding the security ramifications were that if their military personnel talked about this they could be court marshaled or at least threatened to be court marshaled to get him to back down. Other intimidations would be to hold their paychecks back, transfer them to other bases where a lot of people would not want to go to, like Alaska…
"Basically, these projects were controlled by the Majestic 12 group, which is no longer called MJ12. I’m trying to find out the new name of this group. My contact that worked at Area 51 knows the name of the group, but he’s refusing to tell me the name. Basically it’s an oversight group intermingled with the National Security Council and the National Security Planning Group in Washington, D.C. There is a group called the National Security Planning Group that overseas everything. And Majestic 12 is intermingled with these people, the National Security Planning Group.
"They have full control. They alert the President of what’s taking place and he either authorizes or just says, hey, you guys go at it. They have full control. They have no Congressional oversight whatsoever. They answer to nobody, except for the President of the United States. But they are trying to push even that aside, away from the President, from what I understand.
"The Presidents no longer have that much control over these groups anymore. It’s like a separate entity."
Officer Alan Godfrey:
British Police"I was absolutely amazed at what happened after that. My life just turned upside down in an instant. From being a happy go lucky chap, within a space of six months I was put through hell and turned into one of the most horrible persons you could ever imagine coming across. Purely through harassment, stress, victimization, you name it, I had it."
Sgt. Karl Wolfe: US Air Force
"I didn’t want to look at it any longer than that, because I felt that my life was in jeopardy. Do you understand what I’m saying? I would have loved to have looked at it longer, I would have loved to have had copies. I would love to have said more about it, discussed it more, but I knew I couldn’t. I knew the young fellow who was sharing this was really, really overstepping his bounds at that point.
"I felt that he just needed somebody to talk to. He hadn’t discussed it, couldn’t discuss it, and he wasn’t doing it for any ulterior motive other than the fact that I think he had the weight of this thing on him and it was distressing to him…
"I knew that I couldn’t go anyplace for at least five years without telling the State Department where I was, after I left the military. Any time I traveled I had to notify and get permission, even in the United States. They had to know where I was all the time. As an example, if we went to Vietnam there was always someone there with us, with a gun, ready to annihilate us basically if we should fall into the hands of the enemy. They didn’t want the enemy to get us; we would be killed instead.
"So we knew we were operating under these sort of conditions. Your life was in jeopardy all the time, should you fall into the wrong hands. So we were aware of that. I was told when I left that I would be investigated on a regular basis to make sure that I wasn’t involved in any peculiar activities that didn’t suit the government’s needs."
Mrs. Donna Hare: NASA Employee
"There was a point in time when I had some people come out and tell me I shouldn’t talk about this. They didn’t threaten to kill me but I got the message I shouldn’t talk about it. But I’d already talked about it so much it didn’t really matter anymore. And like I said at the [1997] congressional briefings, I really started feeling like this topic was like sex. You know, everybody knew about it but nobody talked about in mixed company. I’m waiting to tell more whenever there’s a congressional hearing where I could be protected. I trust Dr. Greer. I feel he’s done everything he said he would do as far as protection, secrecy of what I give him, for now. I want it to come out when it’s necessary and proper and can do some good. I don’t want people going around that are trying to get rid of these people or hurting them or challenging them or making them so frightened they move away-like this one particular man I know of who has just disappeared off the face of the Earth. This one man, he has disappeared. I just don’t want that."
Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official
"Of corporations involved in this matter, Atlantic Research Corporation is one of the big ones. So it’s not very often heard about. It’s an insider beltway bandit, if you want to call it that very low profile, mostly has all of its work done within Intelligence. TRW, Johnson Controls, Honeywell: All of them at some point or another became involved with the Intelligence field. Certain works, activities were contracted out to them. Atlantic Research was one of them -way back. These are entities that were created out of people in the Pentagon to become a ‘beltway bandit’ -- received projects, grants, and monies to do certain projects that were so highly classified and compartmentalized that you know only about four people would know what was going on. So it was that tightly controlled."
Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer
"As you may know, when you get cleared for one of these classified programs you wear your special badge and you know you can talk to anybody who’s in the room with a lot of candor and it feels like that’s ones psychological group- there’s a lot of camaraderie that builds up. And you had access to special libraries. So one of the things that we could do is go up to the library that the Air Force ran and sort of paw through top- secret material. Since I was interested in UFOs, when I had some usual business to take care of, I’d also look in their library to see what they had on UFOs. And for about a year I was getting quite a few hits on the subject about various reports. Then all of a sudden, the whole subject material vanished. The entire classification for the subject just vanished. The librarian in our group that I was working with said he’d been in that vault for twenty years and knew exactly how things were normally done. He said, this is remarkable. He said, I’ve never seen that before, you just don’t have a whole subject vanish out from under you. He said, I think there is something there that you hit on…
"In the meantime, there was one other thing that came about as a result of my association with Jim McDonald. I liked the guy, he was really an energetic physicist and wouldn’t let any grass grow under his feet. When he got a case he would dig his teeth into it and present an overwhelmingly convincing story to professional societies. He would talk to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics and the American Physical Society, and I happened to be members of both. So whenever he was in town I would pick him up, escort him, made sure he felt welcome.
"So once when I was traveling through Tucson, where he lived, I stopped- I had a two-hour layover to catch an airplane -- and he came out to the airport to have a beer with me. I said, ‘What’s new, Jim?’ He said, ‘I think I’ve got it.’ I said, ‘What do you think you got?’ He said, ‘I think I got the answer.’ I said, ‘What is it?’ He said, ‘I can’t tell you yet. I have got to be sure.’ It was six weeks after that that he tried to shoot himself. A couple months after that he finally died.
"Knowing what I think I now suspect about the skills of our counterintelligence people, I think we had the capacity to convince him to do it himself. I think that’s what happened…
"Clearly in order to have effective control of this subject, you have to control it at all levels and the most obvious level is the media. So you have to look at all the kinds of media there are, the movies, the magazines, and of course in the early days that’s all it is, newspapers and movies and magazines. Now we have the Internet and video and all those other sorts of things. But as the technology has blossomed in these other avenues, the people worrying about this control have also just moved into those avenues right along with them. So every time a new avenue comes up they have a new counterpoint."
Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness
"One of the MPs took me aside and he just said, look mister, you don’t go and start any. Nothing happened down here. And he said, if you do you know there’d be real serious problems. The way my character was at that time, I just said, I’m a civilian and you can go to hell. And that’s when he said, you may be the one going to hell. He said, somebody would be picking my bones out of the sand if I talked."
Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force
"In the military they do ridicule you and I was ridiculed a few times about these UFO events. I was told that I would never make Master Sergeant if I brought this crap up again. My superior said, ‘If you keep this crap up you will never make Master Sergeant. You will get orders for Tech but you will never make Master Sergeant. They will force you out of the military.’"
Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert
"Probably there are, in every part of the world, invisible links with a definite invisible college that is keeping this secret. They are dealing with this subject from the standpoint of research secretly in order to have gains and technologies to be applied in a various ways. The UFO problem is not only a scientific problem, it is also an intelligence problem.
"This is the second important face of the UFO reality. When we begin to understand this we may understand a lot of things, because all this has to do with power. Power everywhere, in every country, with every government, with every situation."
Dr. Paul Czysz:
McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer"The black budget world is like trying to describe Casper the friendly ghost. You might see a cartoon of him but you don’t know how big he is, you don’t know where his funding comes from, you don’t know how many there are because of the compartmentalization and the oath that people have to take. I know people today that worked on one of the things that I worked on, and if you asked them about it --even if it is being discussed on the Internet -- they would say no, I have no idea what you’re talking about. They’re in their seventies now, but they still absolutely would never admit that they even know what you’re talking about. You have no idea, but it’s probably larger than you think."
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell:
"But it has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and to create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out. Disinformation is simply another method of stonewalling. And that’s been used consistently for the last 50 years or so: Weather balloons over Roswell as opposed to a crashed craft of some sort. That is disinformation. We’ve seen that for 50 years. And it’s the best way to hide something…
"Whatever activity is going on, to the extent that it is a clandestine group, a quasi-Government group, a quasi-private group, it is without any type, as far as I can tell, of high level Government oversight. And that is a great concern."
John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations
"…When they got done, they actually swore all these other guys in there that this never took place. We never had this meeting. And this was never recorded…
"This was one of the guys from the CIA. Okay? That they were never there and this never happened. At the time I said, well I don’t know why you are saying this. I mean, there was something there and if it’s not the stealth bomber, then you know, it’s a UFO. And if it’s a UFO, why wouldn’t you want the people to know? Oh, they got all excited over that. You don’t even want to say those words. He said this is the first time they ever had 30 minutes of radar data on a UFO. And they are all itching to get their hands onto the data and to find out what it is and what really goes on. He says if they come out and told the American public that they ran into a UFO out there, it would cause panic across the country. So therefore, you can’t talk about it. And they are going to take all this data…
"Well when they read the reports that came through the FAA decided it had to protect themselves -- you can’t say you saw a target, even though this is what he said. So they made him change his report to say ‘position symbols’, which makes it sound like it wasn’t really a target. Well if it’s not a target then a lot of the other position symbols that we are separating [on radar] aren’t targets either. And when I read that, I thought oh, there is something fishy here, that somebody is worried about something or other and they are trying to cover up.
"When the CIA told us that this never happened and we never had this meeting, I believe it was because they didn’t want the public to know that this was going on. Normally we would put out some type of a news release that such and such happened…
"Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff I was behind the group that was there. And when they were speaking to the people in the room, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. And it always bothered me that we have these things going on and when you see something or you hear something on the radio or TV, the news, that it’s put down as it’s not there. I have a hard time saying nothing."
"NORAD [North American Air Defense Command] knows about it. They had called NORAD. The senior NCO pulled me to the side and said that NORAD knows about it — that’s the only people we notify. We don’t talk about this. We don’t tell anybody about this. The people that know, know. We just watch, see what happens, and that’s it. That’s our job. I insisted there has to be a report filed or something filed, you know? And he said that there is a report that you can file — it’s about an inch thick, and the first two pages are about the sighting. The rest of it is basically a psychological profile of you, your family, your bloodlines, everything.
"When the Air Force goes through it, they can discredit you completely by either saying that [you were] on drugs, or your mother was a communist, or anything to discredit you. You’d never get a promotion, and [you’d] spend the next three and one-half years up at the North Pole, living in a tent, checking the weather balloons. You know — no hope for promotion. So, the message was pretty loud and clear: you just shut-up and don’t say anything to anybody…
"Another experience I had happened on third shift. I was on the radar, and NORAD called me and informed me that there was a UFO coming up the California coast and it would be in my area pretty soon.
"I said what do you want me to do? And they said, "Nothing, just watch it, don’t write it down." We have a log book in which we are supposed to keep track of anything out of the ordinary. But they said, "Don’t log it or anything, just watch it. We are just letting you know — heads up." NORAD was well aware, obviously, that these UFOs were around, and the action of the people when I first saw the UFO on radar was as if it happens quite often."
Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller
"The government, they cover up. They don’t want anybody talking about it. But this is such remarkable technology. These people come from who knows where. I would think you’d want everybody to know…
"On a personal note, after the first event happened in Oregon, I came home on leave and told my Dad about it. He was red, white, and blue through and through--an old WWII hero and all that, and very patriotic. I was explaining to him about these UFOs that we routinely see out there, and he said, ‘No, the Government says that there are no UFOs.’ I’m saying, Dad, I’ve seen these on radar with my own eyes. And he says, come on, the Government would never lie to him. You know? But here’s his son; I would never lie to him.
"So, he just didn’t know what to do. It wasn’t until years later, until after Watergate, that he said, ‘Hey, sit down and tell me about this. The Government is lying to me about a little thing like Watergate, so obviously they are out lying about something big.’
"It’s a Government cover-up that doesn’t need to be here any more. There is no more Cold War. I believe the same thing Dr. Greer does, that the technology they have could enable us to stop burning our fossil fuels and stop the damage to the ozone, etc. These people have technologies — they must have something. And the Government knows about it. They have these aliens, they have these spacecraft, they have this technology, all this. There’s a lot of back-engineered technology, that’s pretty obvious. Who are they to cover this up when other Governments are coming forward, admitting, and showing their files — why isn’t our Government?"
Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician
"They didn’t want anybody to know anything about what we were seeing. And I think that started the cover-up. And then it got out of hand.
"But I know that the only people that they are keeping it secret from today are the Americans. Everybody else knows about it and accepts it. And all of the other Governments in the world except England and the U.S. primarily, are accepting it.
"It’s very irritating to me personally, to see that go on."
Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot
"In the past pilots that had seen things and had talked about it were let go. Some were released from their flying and treated as nutcases and things like that. So that was the last I said of it for many, many years."
Lt. Frederick Fox:
US Navy Pilot"There is a publication called JANAP 146 E that had a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000.00 fine and ten years in jail. So they were quite adamant that whatever experiences you had you were not to go public with it without their permission…
"The subject never came up with Air Traffic Control. In any event I would never have opened my mouth. There was a Captain, Pete Killian, who was written about in some of the UFO books. He was a Captain with American Airlines back in the ‘50’s that evidently had a sighting and testified before the Senate committees. And then there was another captain that actually took a photograph of a UFO off his wings. And of course they were subject to ridicule. I didn’t want to go that direction. So, I never reported anything to FAA or the military. A lot of pilots just did not want to get involved in this because of peer pressure and ridicule. So the secret has been kept…
"I have a very personal friend that was a B-24 pilot during W.W.II that got into [the] O.S.S. And he was one of the first people into Japan after the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Nagasaki. He ended up on Project Bluebook, Section 13, which I believe was the top-secret portion of that investigation. At the time he was a captain in the Air Force. He’s in his late ‘70’s now and he is still being carried on active duty as a captain. I don’t know if he’s being paid but if he’s on active duty he should be a three star general with time and rank and he should be paid. And the whole reason that they have kept him on active duty is to keep his national security oath active because of what he knows. There are certain things that he will not talk to me about because of that security oath even though I had a top secret clearance with the Navy and we are both very interested in the same thing.
"For whatever reason the Government, or those agencies of Government, deem necessary to protect their agendas, which obviously now, aren’t our agendas. I think it is time for us to act, to end this charade. And to take whatever steps are necessary to insure that the human race evolves properly and enjoys the fruits of that evolution."
Captain Robert Salas:
US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller"I wrote up a report about this incident; it was in my log and I turned it in. When we got to the base we had to report to our squadron commander right away. And in that room with my squadron commander was a fellow from AFOSI (we had an Air Force Office of Special Investigations on the base). He was there in the office with the commander. He asked for my logs and he wanted a quick briefing although it seemed to me he knew pretty much what had happened already. But we gave him a quick briefing and then he asked us both to sign a non-disclosure agreement saying this was classified information- we were not to release this to anybody, and that was it. We couldn’t talk; he told us we could not talk about this to anyone, including any of the other crews, our spouses, our family, even amongst each other…
"Bob Kominski headed up the organization to look at all aspects of these [UFO related ICBM] shutdowns. Kominski relates to me in writing that at some point he was told by his boss that the Air Force said, ‘Stop the investigation; do no more on this and in addition do not write a final report.’ Again, this is very unusual especially in light of the fact that CINC-SAC headquarters was stating that this was of extreme importance to find out exactly what happened here. And yet, the head of the investigative team was told during the investigation to stop the investigation and not write a final report."
Prof. Robert Jacobs:
US Air Force"After an article [came out about the incident], the shit hit the fan! I started being harassed at work. I started getting odd telephone calls that would come during the day. At night, at my house I would get telephone calls- all night long sometimes 3:00 in the morning, 4:00 in the morning, midnight, 10:00, people would call and start screaming at me. You are going down mother fucker! You are going down mother fucker! And that’s all they would say. And they’d keep screaming that until I finally hung up the phone.
"One night somebody blew up my mail box by putting a big load of skyrockets in it. The mailbox went up in flames. And that night at 1:00 in the morning the phone rang. I picked it up and somebody said, skyrockets in your box at night, oh what a beautiful sight, mother fucker!
"And things like that have happened on and off since 1982…
"I believe this nutty fringe around UFO’s is part of a concerted effort to keep serious study of it down. Anytime anybody tries to study this subject seriously, we are subject to ridicule. I’m a full professor at a relatively major university. And I’m certain that my colleagues at the university laugh at me and hoot and holler behind my back when they hear that I have an interest in studying unidentified flying objects- and that’s just one of the things that we have to live with…
"What happened to the film is an interesting story in itself as Major Mansmann related to me and other people. Some time after I had gone, the guys in civilian clothes -- I thought it was the CIA but he said no, it wasn’t the CIA, it was somebody else- took the film and they spooled off the part that had the UFO on it and they took a pair of scissors and cut it off. They put that on a separate reel. They put it in their briefcase. They handed Major Mansmann back the rest of the film and said here, I don’t need to remind you Major of the severity of a security breach; we’ll consider this incident closed. And they walked off with the film. Major Mansmann never saw it again"
Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
"A Lieutenant Commander whom I didn’t know very well came over and he asked, you know, what was up Jordan? What have you got in your log? And he says, you don’t need to put that in there. Now to me that was highly irregular, highly irregular to say that particularly on a ship’s logs. I did have the contact logged in there. And I started writing in UFO."
James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications
"A few days later the Commanding Officer and the Executive Officer came on the closed circuit television system that we had on board. It was the only way that they could address the crew of 5,000. He [the Commanding Officer] looked at the camera -- and I will never forget this -- and he said, ‘I would like to remind the crew that certain events that take place on board a major naval combative vessel are considered classified and should not be discussed with anyone without a need to know.’ And that was all he said."