by Dmitry Steshin, Nicholas Varsegov, Vladimir
25 December 2014
witness" has appeared in the "Malaysian Boeing"
case; his evidence drops all the charges against the
opolchenye - militias and Russia. And also explains
the mysterious behaviour of Western experts.
This man came to the Кomsomolskaya Pravda Editorial
office on his own. We checked his papers - he is not
an actor, nor a straw man.
We cannot yet reveal the
real data provided by the witness –his relatives are
still in Ukraine and he is afraid of retaliation and
blackmail. Judging by the facts Alexandr told us
(let us name him so) - his concerns are quite real.
Here is the transcript
of our conversation almost without any cuts.
Bomber returned without missiles
were you on July 17, 2014, onwards, the day when the Malaysian
Boeing was shot down?
I was on the territory of Ukraine,
in the city of Dnepropetrovsk, Aviatorskoe settlement. That is a
usual airport. At that time, there were fighter jets and
helicopters. Air jets performed regular flights, bombed; the
Su-25 hedgehoppers bombed Donetsk, Lugansk. This went on for a
air jets flew every day?
did you assume that those aircraft could be related to the loss
For several reasons. Eight aircraft
were stationed there, and only two of them had "air-to-air"
missiles. They were hanged.
Were there any air battles in the air?
No, the missiles were hanged onto
the aircraft to cover themselves in the air. Just in case.
Mainly ammo on sling for operation towards earth. Non-guided
us about July 17.
The air jets flew on a regular base.
Starting with the morning and all day long. By the second half
of the day, approximately an hour before the shooting down of
the Boeing, three hedgehoppers took off into the air. I do not
remember the specific time. One of the three air jets was fitted
with such missiles. It was a Su-25.
"secret witness" appeared in the "Malaysian Boeing case"
(sitting with his back to the screen)
you see it personally?
was your observation point?
In the territory. I cannot say
you have the opportunity to watch specifically what was hung to
the air jet pylons? Could you mix up air-to-air and air-to-earth
No, I could not mix them up. They
differ in sizes, empennage, and color. The guidance head. It is
so easy to recognize it. Actually, after some time only one jet
returned, and two had been shot down. Somewhere in the East of
Ukraine, I was told so. Only one jet returned, which had those
did it return already without missiles?
Without any missiles. And the pilot
was very frightened.
you familiar with that pilot, did you see him?
can you tell us his name?
Voloshin last name.
he alone in the aircraft?
Yes. The aircraft is designed for
you know his first name?
It was like Vladislav. I am not so
sure. A captain.
The aircraft got on a
wrong time in a wrong place
Photo: Viktor Guseynov
captain Voloshin returned. What was next?
He returned with the empty
there no missiles?
aircraft, it was not the one"
us, Alexandr, the aircraft returned from the combat mission, you
do not yet know about the loss of Boeing, but still you somehow
are surprised by the fact that there are no more "air-to-air"
Those missiles "air-to-air" are not
part of the basic ammunition load. They are hung according to a
special order. Usually, they tried not to rise into air such
jets with such missiles. Because it is not allowed to transport
such a missile along in the air.
Only two missiles of this type may
be carried by such a jet. And it was never for them to be
applied before. They were amortized beforehand. But just a day
before, in a week time before this incident (loss of Boeing. -
Editor), the use of these missiles has been urgently extended.
And they were again delivered as ammunition. They have not been
used for many years.
Their effective resource ended. Too
old, yet Soviet production. But it was an emergency order and
their resource was extended.
was it that day when they were hung to the air jet?
They stood all time long with those
still they did not fly?
They tried to let them fly as rare
as possible - each flight reduces the resource. But this was the
day when the jet to departure.
did it return without them?
Yes. Knowing a little bit that
pilot... (quite possible that the other two jets were shot down
in front of him), and he had some scared reaction, inadequate.
He might be frightened or as a revenge run the missiles into the
Boeing. May be he just took it for some other combatant air jet.
these missiles with self-guided heads?
he pushed them, did they begin to search for the target?
No. The pilot himself fixes the
target. Then he launches the missile, and it flies to the
the pilot use these missiles at ground targets?
That is pointless.
else did you remember that day? What did the pilot say?
The phrase he said after he was
taken out of the jet: "The aircraft, it was not the one".
And in the evening there was a phrase, a question from a pilot
for him, to the same Voloshin: "What about the aircraft?".
And he answered: "The aircraft got on a wrong time to a wrong
the departures continued after the tragedy"
long did that pilot serve there? How old is he?
Voloshin is about 30 years old. His
regiment is based in Nikolayev. They were sent to
Dnepropetrovsk. Just before that, they had a mission to Chuguev,
near Kharkov. And for all that time they bombed Donetsk and
Lugansk. Moreover, according to the information from one of the
servicemen in the regiment in Nikolayev, they still continue to
Ukraine declared they had
no combat missions
on the day of the catastrophe
Photo : Viktor Guseynov
the pilots have a good combat experience?
Those who were there, they had
experience. The Nikolayev regiment was the best regiment of
Ukraine for 2013, as I know.
the story with the Boeing somehow discussed among the pilots?
All the attempts to discuss were
suppressed immediately. And the pilots mainly communicated among
them, they are, you know, so... proud.
everybody learned of this Boeing, - what happened to that pilot,
to captain Voloshin?
Departures continued afterwards.
Moreover, the pilots were not changed. There were the same
"There were no flights… but they were shot down"
try to simulate events. How could they develop? Three aircraft
flew on a combat mission. They were roughly in that area, where
the Boeing was. Two aircraft were shot down. This captain Voloshin got nervous, was scared, and perhaps he took the Boeing
for a warplane?
It is possible. It was a big
distance, he just could not see specifically what type of
aircraft it was.
is the distance these missiles are launched?
They may fix the target from some 3
- 5 kilometers.
what is the difference of speeds in a warplane and a Boeing?
There is no difference: a missile
has a pretty good speed. It's a very fast missile.
it catch up anyway? And what is the height?
He may properly do it at his maximum
lift - at 7 thousand meters - quite easy fix the target.
reach it upwards?
Yes. The aircraft cam simply uplift
the snoot, and it is not a problem to fix that and launch the
missile. The range of this missile is over 10 kilometers.
The Ukrainian authorities are
to put the blame for the collapse
of the Malaysian Boeing on opolchenye
Photo : Viktor Guseynov
is the distance from the target where the missile explodes? Can
it hit the hull of the craft and explode?
Depending on the modification.
Literally, it can hit the hull from the distance of 500 meters.
worked at the disaster place and we noticed that the fragments
hit the hull very closely. The feeling was that the explosion
was literally in some two meters from the Boeing.
There exists such a missile. It is
the principle of pellets - the missile explodes and the pellets
disperses. Afterwards the main warhead of the missile hits.
declared that on that day they had no combat flight missions. We
have controlled different consolidated sources on downed
aircraft; Ukraine denies everywhere that its warplanes made
flights that day.
I know that. Ukraine also stated
that the two aircraft were downed on the July 16th, and not on
the 17th. And the date was modified for several times. But in
reality the departures were on a daily basis. I have seen that
myself. Departures had place even during the armistice, however
kind of weapons was on the aircraft from your airport? Were
there used phosphorous bombs, incendiary mixtures? Ukrainian
artillery used them on ground very actively.
I did not see any phosphorous
(bombs). But still fuel-air bombs were used.
Yes. The bomb was specially assigned
for Afghanistan. It has been prohibited and they did not use it
until recently. It is prohibited by some convention, I do not
remember, I will not say. This bomb is unhuman, it burns
everything. It burns absolutely everything.
they hang them on and use during the combat missions?
Yes. Also there have been the
prohibited cluster bombs. Aviation cluster bomb - it depends on
the size - can hit a very dimensioned target. One bomb can cover
an athletic field. And that is completely, all the surface
absolutely, the entire area of two hectares.
did they decide to use such weapon?
All of them executed the order. And
it was unclear who gave that order.
is the sense of such a weapon? Intimidation?
A maximum destruction of manpower.
can beat you for any careless word
did you leave for Russia? Why did you take the decision to speak
about that? Why, finally, no one knew about that earlier? For
you are not the only witness!
Everybody is frightened by the SBU
(Security service of Ukraine - Editor) and the national guard.
People can be beaten for any careless word, arrested for any
tiny suspicion of being sympathetic towards Russia or to the
opolchenye/militia. While I was from the very begging against
this "anti-terrorist operation". I do not agree with the policy
of the Ukrainian state. The civil war is a wrong thing. It is
not normal to you're your own people. And I do not agree
initially to participate somehow or be on the side of Ukraine,
being partially involved in that!
The reference from
What weapons were used by the
Ukrainian aviation in Donbass sky
R60 missile - guided, close-in
Developed in 1967. Has a specific
empennage and solid-propellant engine. Infrared self-guide head.
R60 is equipped with proximity
fuses, the blasting of the
missile takes place at a distance of 5 to 2,5 meters from the
target. Projectiles - wolfram wire or bars. Practical flight
range makes 10 - 12 kilometers. Starting with 1973 used on all
the types of fighter jets and on hedgehoppers.
For the last 10
years this armament is not in service with the Russian army, the
manufacturing of missile is shut, the special pylons for the
missile sling are not used and are not manufactured. Delivered
ODAB-500 - Fuel-air aviation bomb
This type of bomb is the most
prevailing in the post-Soviet space.
It is designed for the
damage of manpower, industrial constructions, easy-vulnerable
equipment, light engineering construction; for antipersonnel and
antitank minefields clearing. Used from heights of 200 - 1000
The bomb contains 193 kilograms of piperylen
flammable liquid, which in blasting transforms into aerosol and
is blasted by a second charge. The effective casualty radius
makes 30 meters. It is considered a non-conventional ammunition.
Used as well in hedgehoppers Su-25.
RBK - Single cluster bomb
The most prevailing variant in the
The representation depends on the type; a
container equipped with aircraft bombs of small caliber, which
disperses in the blast of the charge combat elements over the
target. It is considered a non-conventional ammunition.
most types of Soviet and Russian aircraft.