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All righty. We are on our way up through the West Wing,
past the press secretary's office, past the uh cabinet
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room, sitting under a great portrait of George
Washington in his younger days.
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Come on, guys. You ready for us? Come on inside.
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From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is
the Daily. How are you? Good. Good to see you, Mr.
President. Did you see that? Just came out.
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Number one on Tik Tok. Trump. All right.
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I'm a little older than the average age on Tik Tok.
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On Wednesday [music] night, in the middle of a defining
moment for President Trump's second term.
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Well, thank you, Mr. President, for seeing us. You know,
everybody, I do. I do. You Katie Rogers. Hi, Katie. And
of course, Tyler.
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Nice to see you.
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Four White House reporters from the Times sat down
[music] with him for an extended interview in the Oval
Office. Did you see my various truths today?
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They were sort of they were sort of sparkling sparkling
today. One [music] of them, David
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Sanger, walks us through their conversation.
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It's Friday, January 9th.
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So, David, four New York Times reporters walk into the
Oval Office. What could possibly go wrong?
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Sounds like a the setup to a punch line. Tell us about
this experience.
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Well, the president's second term is about to hit its
one-year mark. And I think it's a considerable
understatement
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for anybody who's been listening to the Daily or reading
the Times to say that this is truly one of the most
pivotal moments in modern American history.
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Mhm.
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Trump has just executed his most audacious overseas
intervention.
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I've been talking to him for a couple of weeks about
sitting down for a full on
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thereord New York Times interview. As you know, the
relationship between President Trump and the New York
Times has been occasionally slightly fraught.
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Yeah. And latigious. And latigious.
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He sued us over the past few months only for $15
billion. But in the end, he very happily agreed to it.
And we were told that the moment would be 5:00 p.m.
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on Wednesday night. Mhm.
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And we actually thought that was a good piece of timing
cuz we figured we would probably be his last appointment
of the day. Right.
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And anybody who has dealt with Donald Trump, and I've
dealt with him for a few years, knows that if you're the
last appointment of the day, you're likely to be
sticking around for a while.
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Mhm.
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We didn't leave the White House till after 9:00 p.m.
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Right. You got a meaningful chunk of his time.
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We did. Interrupted some by a few side moments,
including the president wanting to show us some of his
architectural
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plans and visit what he's done up in the residence and
so forth. But a good oh just shy of two hours of it was
an
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actual deep probing conversation about this past year,
foreign and domestic issues. And our goal, Michael, was
to
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try to do something deeper and hopefully more revealing
than what the president does every day
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when he stands up briefly in front of reporters on Air
Force One or does a
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gaggle, as they call it, around the Resolute Desk. And
readers and listeners are going to have to determine if
you succeeded.
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Yeah.
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All right. Well, to that point, walk us through the
interview. Sit down, please.
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So, we settled in, sat down, arrayed around the Resolute
desk. It was me and Tyler Pager, Zolan Cano Young's, and
Katie Rogers.
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Mhm.
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Marco, why don't you join us for a couple of minutes? Is
that okay?
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Already inside the Oval Office was Secretary of State
Marco Rubio. We were about to learn why. And right away,
Michael, we had to sort through a few
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logistics. So we have an understand this is only used
for your reporting.
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So this is what we wanted to ask you about. I think in
two different interviews in the first term we used the
audio to go on the daily and the first
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thing we had to go do was negotiate that we could
actually use this recording for the daily.
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Right. Thank you. Because without that negotiation we
don't have this episode.
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Anything for the daily. Michael, let's leave it for a
little while. Fine.
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For a little while. We'll see how it goes. And we were
just a few minutes into the conversation.
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Is he on the phone? So, can you turn that off for a
second?
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When an aid came in and handed the president a note.
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He's about to have a a call with President Petro. And
this call is off the record.
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Okay. Saying the president of Colombia was on the phone,
the country, not the university. That's right.
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Can you turn them off? You give me a word.
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Yeah. Off. And what did that mean to you knowing that
the president of Colombia was calling him in this
moment?
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The first thing that came to mind was, "Oh, we have to
get up and walk out." But just as I was getting up to go
do that, the president waved at me just like, "No,
David, please stay." Right?
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And the second thing that I thought was if the president
of Colombia is calling,
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it's because he's worried about the fact that President
Trump said just the other day he better watch his ass
because he could be next.
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After Nicholas Maduro's ouster, he could be next to be
ousted.
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That's right. And at just that moment, JD Vance came in
and settled in next to Marco Rubio to listen to the
conversation.
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Got it. Now, the conversation itself was off the record,
but it turned out that some of our colleagues down in
Colombia had just sat down with President Pro.
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So, we had New York Times reporters at both ends of this
conversation. They had left before the call happened,
but Petro
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was very clear with them. He said, "This is a scary
moment for Colombia. This is Donald Trump. We could well
get the
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Venezuela treatment." So, presumably, he's calling to
beseech President Trump to treat him kindly. That's
exactly right. Got it.
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So, the call ends. Okay, let's go. We turn our recorders
back on.
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I hope that was interesting. Was that interesting to
you?
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Very interesting. And that began a really wide-ranging
conversation. And in the first part, not surprisingly,
we spent a lot of time on foreign policy.
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Great. So, let me tell you where we want to start. Um,
your decision to capture Maduro and declare that the US
was in
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charge for the foreseeable future, I think, raised a
question of whether you believe, as your aid, Steven
Miller, put it so clearly the other night, that
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international nicities are gone. That countries operate
by strength. He I think he said, "Govern by strength,
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government by force, governed by power." And I think
that left a lot of people wondering whether you believe
you have the right as the world's largest
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superpower to go in and extinguish any threat or seize
any resource you think is in the US interest
particularly in
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the Western Hemisphere. If there's a threat, you use the
word threat, you certainly would have the right, any
country would have the right to do that.
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Uh without the threat, much less so. And frankly, I do
believe in the nicities. I get along with a lot of
people. I get along with
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for most presidents, military power is the very last
resort after everything
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else, every form of diplomacy has failed you.
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So, I wanted to get the president focused on the
question of what criteria he uses to exercise the most
extreme and
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deadly form of American power, which is the military.
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but also try to figure out how much of a motivation in
Venezuela was the fact
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that it's sitting on the world's largest reserves of
oil. You've gone in in part to get a resource which you
just declared today.
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Well, I got in I I got in for numerous reasons. Number
one, the drugs are pouring into the country. You know
that.
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Number two, the people are pouring into the country
were. except now we have a 100% strong border.
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That all this talk about a threat from drugs, from
criminals and all that might be secondary to his true
motivation here.
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No, the oil happened to be there.
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Don't forget the oil will take a while, but we have it
set. Although we did get, you know, many barrels of oil
today as you probably know.
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Uh and uh that's fine, but we didn't do that. We didn't
even know about the all of the oil that was being stored
there.
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So supposing you're Xi Jinping and you've watched the
events of the past few days.
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And I wanted him to talk a little bit about the
long-term implications of this, the precedent it sets.
You may
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also be thinking that if you're Xi that you could use
the same logic to decapitate and control Taiwan or why
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couldn't Putin use that argument, same argument, it's a
threat to grab the rest of Ukraine or go beyond into
other former Soviet states. In other words,
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have you created a precedent that you may come to regret
later on?
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No, because this is this was a real threat. You didn't
have people pouring into China. You didn't have drugs
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pouring into China. You didn't have all of the that what
happens if you're Xi Jinping and you're watching this
thinking, boy,
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this is useful when I'm justifying going after Taiwan.
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The president engaged on this, but I'm not sure he'd
given it a huge amount of thought before we started
discussing it.
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And uh that's up to him what he's going to be doing, but
you know, I've expressed to him that I would be very
unhappy if he did that.
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And at some point, Tyler Pager jumped back in to bring
the topic back to the central question of Venezuela.
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How long do you think you'll be running Venezuela? Only
time will tell. Like 3 months, 6 months, a year longer.
I would say much longer than that.
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Much longer. And we have to rebuild.
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You have to rebuild the country. And we will rebuild it
in a very profitable way.
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We're going to be uh using oil and we're going to be
taking oil. We're getting oil prices down and we're
going to be
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giving u money to Venezuela which they desperately need.
We're going to be helping.
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One of the things that we all really wanted to know was
what would it take for the president to actually send
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American forces back on the ground in Venezuela?
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On the importance of the military, what would trigger a
decision to send ground troops into Venezuela?
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Uh, I wouldn't want to tell you that because, you know,
I can't I can't give up information like that to a
reporter as good as you may be. I just can't talk
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about that. There's a possibility I would do that.
Absolutely. you know, a second because the US has really
never tried an
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experiment like the one that we're seeing play out now,
which is a kind of virtual or remote control occupation,
right?
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Running a foreign country kind of by phone or by having
an armada floating just offshore.
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Would you do it if you couldn't get at the oil? Would
you do it if they didn't kick out the Chinese and
Russian?
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I can't tell you that. Uh I really wouldn't want to tell
you that, but they're treating us with great respect.
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As you know, we're getting along very well with the
administration that is there right now. Uh they're
giving us everything that we feel is necessary.
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But President Trump insisted to us that right now he's
getting from the Venezuelan government, which is
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essentially all filled with Maduro's appointees.
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Everything that he wants, and most of what he wants is
access to the oil.
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Given what has happened in Venezuela, the threats
against Colombia, the discussions about taking
Greenland,
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buying Greenland, however you're framing this right now,
is there anything that you think can constrain your
power on the world stage if you believe that something
is against national security?
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Do you see any checks on your power on the world stage?
Is there anything that could stop you if you wanted to?
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Yeah, there's one thing. My own morality, my own mind.
That's the only thing that can stop international law.
And that's very good.
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I don't need international law. I'm not looking to hurt
people. I'm not looking to kill people. I've ended,
remember this, I've ended eight wars. Nobody else
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has ever done that. I've ended eight wars and didn't get
the Nobel Peace Prize. Pretty amazing. Obama got it. He
was there for a few weeks and he got it.
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He didn't even know why he got it. They they asked him
why did he get it. He was unable to answer the question.
I ended eight wars. I if you look at those wars,
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these were tough wars to end too. And let me tell you,
India and Pakistan were going at it as you know, they
were going at it. But but that was one of eight,
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but we ended eight strong wars, some going on for more
than 30 years.
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But do you feel your administration needs to abide by
international law on the global stage?
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Yeah, I I do. I you know, I do. But it it depends what
your definition of international law is. But the answer
is
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I do. But we have to keep the United States safe. We
have to keep parts of the world safe that we feel
responsible
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for. NATO is not feared by Russia or China at all. Not
even a little bit.
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We're tremendously. David, I found this exchange that
the president had with Katie Rogers really fascinating
because
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he is saying that at a moment when he is exercising
power arguably as never before
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that international law is not much of a constraint on
him. The only constraint
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really is his personal judgment. And he goes on to say
that he thinks that situation, him exercising American
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[snorts] power kind of at his whim is what instills in
our foes and even in
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our allies like NATO the respect and fear required to
operate in this world.
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I think this is one of the most fascinating windows into
the way President Trump thinks because as you
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just heard there, he views the only check on his power
to be his own moral compass.
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Mhm.
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And that outside institutions, whether they're the UN or
an international
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treaty, only means what he interprets it to mean. Mhm.
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And that tells you that he wants to operate as a leader
with fundamentally no check at all because he thinks
he's a
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good person and therefore the world can rely on his good
judgments, his good judgment and his good heart.
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And so we thought we'd sort of stress test that by
turning to Greenland.
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Can I circle back to what you had said about NATO? If
you had to choose between obtaining Greenland and
preserving NATO, what's your higher priority there?
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Well, I don't want to say that to you, but it may be a
choice. You have to understand Russia is not at all
concerned with NATO other than us. China
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is not at all concerned with NATO other than us because
sadly, you know, Europe is becoming a much different
place. And
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they really do have to shape up. I want them to shape
up. I think we'll always get along with Europe. But what
he's essentially saying is the US
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holds all the cards, has all the power, and NATO's not
going to have a choice because there is no NATO without
the
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United States. And therefore, if the price of keeping
the alliance together is handing the US the right to
control
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Greenland, they're going to do it because they don't
have another choice.
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Are you prepared to send troops to Greenland if they do
not give over the territory?
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Well, we already have troops in more troops to
militarily take over.
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I mean, we take over. We have, you know, good section of
troops and I've had troops there and and I've, you know,
upped it.
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I was there this summer and you could send as many
troops as you want. And you haven't done it. How come?
Because I want to do it properly.
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And properly means own it. really it is to me it's
ownership. Ownership is very important. You know why is
ownership important here?
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Because that's what I feel is psychologically needed for
success. I think that ownership gives you a thing
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that you can't do whether you're talking about a lease
or a treaty. Uh ownership gives you things and elements
that you can't get from just signing a document
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that you can have a important to you or to
psychologically important for me. Now, maybe another
president would feel differently, but so far I've been
right about everything.
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And you would use military force to get that. I didn't
say that. You said that. I'm asking you, would you?
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Yeah. I wouldn't comment on that. It's I don't think
it'll be necessary.
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And can you just explain what he means by that? The
psychological value of owning Greenland, not just
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controlling it, not just having a lot of influence over
it, but owning it. The way I read it was, "Hey, I spent
my life
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as a real estate developer and I know that you have way
more control if you own than if you lease."
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But that also means I fundamentally don't believe in
relying on alliances.
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and the fact that Denmark, a member of NATO, a member of
NATO, which basically controls and protects Greenland,
it's
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not enough for him to have an ally that he's got to do
it himself. Now, you got to ask yourself, where does
that
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logic end, right? Does it end with China taking over
Taiwan? Does it end with Russia taking over Ukraine?
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Does it end with the United States demanding that
doesn't stop at Greenland? Maybe we need Iceland as
well. So David, based on how the
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president talked about the use of American power
overseas and especially the use of American military
power overseas, what were you left thinking by the end
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of this part of the interview? I was left thinking that
the president feels himself unconstrained by law,
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convention, or the systems that the United States itself
built at the end of World War II after the world had
gone
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through two horrific NATO and the entire system of
international law.
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That's right. But at the same time that he's not a
wararmonger, right? He actually does want that peace
prize. He
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does want to be known as a president of peace. And yet
when he's given the choice between long, slow, boring
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diplomacy and quick action by special operations
breaking down doors, he'll go for the special operators.
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What you're describing is a set of extraordinary
contradictions even for Donald Trump.
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Absolutely. And that is what is both maddening and
fascinating about covering the Trump presidency
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because you're not going to fit this man into some
simple set of theories. He is a bundle of
contradictions.
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[music]
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Well, David, after the break, we are going to turn to a
similar bundle of contradictions when it comes to
domestic affairs. We'll be right back.
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[music]
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[music]
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on behalf of both of them. Have they got us?
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I want to make sure we have time for domestic policy
too. Um uh ICE did shoot and kill an American citizen
today according to early reports.
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David, tell us about the conversation that the four of
you had with the president about domestic issues. Well,
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Zolan kicked it off with questions about this horrifying
scene we had all just seen play out in Minneapolis just
hours before.
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Uh we have also seen protesters met with violent tactics
and pepper spray. In some cases, American citizens have
also
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been wrongfully detained. Do any of these incidents or
tactics make you think ICE has gone too far?
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Well, I think that ISIS has been treated very badly.
Don't forget, I got rid of thousands and thousands of
killers, murderers. They've gotten rid of
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thousands of people that were led into our country
during the Biden administration so stupidly. Uh they're
very they're very brave, very citizen was shot today.
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That's right. Does this make you uncomfortable?
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Well, I Everything makes me uncomfortable. I want to see
nobody get shot. I want to see nobody screaming and
trying to run over policemen either or,
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you know, law enforceed by local officials in the Well,
if you take a look at the tape, I saw the same tape that
you must have seen. I just saw it. There were several
there were several angles on that.
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Well, I know. But if you take a look at that, that was a
vicious situation that took place. And if you go before
that,
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and in my opinion, the the screamer, that woman that was
screaming shame, shame, shame, that's not normal. That
was a practiced, rehearsed, professional agitator.
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Even so, are those appropriate policing tactics for
somebody to fire into a vehicle like that in your mind?
Is that Well, they ran him over. I mean, they ran
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and Trump just sort of reflexively defended the officers
and claimed that the driver had run over one of them
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and we had all seen this video and immediately sort of
stepped in to challenge the account tried to run.
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Video didn't look like he was he was run over.
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Well, I'd play the tape for you right now. Do you want
to just whip it out?
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Looked to me to be very bad. I I just put out the tape.
And so Trump said, "Well, let's just watch it together."
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And to our surprise, that's exactly what happened.
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Have any of these have any of these tactics made you
uncomfortable? You know, you've had citizens that have
also been wrongfully detained here? Yeah, we've seen
that one.
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We've seen that video. Yeah.
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One of his aids brought over a laptop, slowed down a a
version of the tape.
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Does not look like the ICE officer has been run over
there. And then maybe from a different angle we would
see. The way I look at it.
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Oh, sure. If you look at that, it's terrible scene.
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Yeah, we all agree on.
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You say it's horrible to watch. You said that on truth.
So, do you think that goes I hate to see it. It was sort
of a strange form of real time factchecking
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of the president with it clear that the president wasn't
entirely comfortable with what he was seeing on that
laptop.
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Mhm. Or what these ICE agents were doing.
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So just take a step back here because this and then from
there the president sort of turn to a a different topic
about
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what the real aim of the president's immigration
restrictions are and who they're supposed to target.
challenge, but I do.
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Your administration has also suggested that some people
who are naturalized citizens could see their citizenship
strict. Uh, which groups do you think should lose
citizenship?
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Well, I think Somalia is a disaster to be honest with
you. I look at what's happening in Minnesota and you
look at this country, it's one of the worst in
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the world. It's acknowledged to be truly one of the most
corrupt, one of the most vicious, violent countries in
the world.
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Uh, even the ships, they go after the ships. They don't
do that anymore because if they go after the ships, you
know what? They get hit by the same missile that we hit
the drug dealers.
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Question is, would you strip them of their nationality?
If they deserve to be stripped, I would. Yeah.
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So, what would the criteria you would Well, we're
looking at criteria right now. But if they deserve to be
stripped, David, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Yeah.
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You don't think that your comments about those of Somali
descent have painted a broad brush on your own citizens?
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I don't care. I want great people in this country. I
want people that love the country. And I think that many
of the people that came in from Somalia
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uh they hate our country. They came and they and not
only do they hate our country, they've ripped off our
country.
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They've ripped it off. They've stolen billions of
dollars. It's shocking from where they came, they had
nothing. And they come here and they steal. And it's
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an embarrassment to the intelligence of the people of
Minnesota and to the people of our country in your view
that that they would be allowed to do
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it. I I I've heard many people that say this is
generalizing in population and find these comments. You
call it whatever you want.
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I want to ask if part of your immigration agenda is also
aimed at changing the racial makeup of this country. No,
not at all.
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Is part of this this agenda aimed at I just want people
that love our country. It's very simple. I want people
that love our country. I want people
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that respect our country, respect the laws of our
country. And uh I want people that can embrace our
country
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because you've you've support all refugees that can make
America great again. You have a tra on the majority
African. And Zolan raises an interesting point.
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The the only immigrants who can come in right now are
white South Africans, right?
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Refugees the way of refugees.
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Well, I haven't seen that. I mean, I certainly haven't
seen that. But over the years, it's been very much the
opposite of that. Very, very much the
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opposite of that. Uh people are coming into our country.
Nobody's doing it based on race.
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Trump is positing to you all that his immigration
restrictions are not about race. They're not
intentionally about
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race when the reality is that they are allowing for very
few people of color to
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enter the country. The people who are banned from
entering the US right now and there are bans on a lot of
countries. They are
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almost uniformly from countries where the populations
are black and brown. The very few people he is letting
in are
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white. The pattern becomes difficult to ignore. It sure
does. And look, he says
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he just wants people who love this country to be allowed
in. But what we're
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learning is he basically only wants to favor white South
Africans as I raised
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with him or the immigrants he wants the most are those
who bring special skills
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that can help our economy and uh that's a a very select
group.
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Do you think some industries still need immigrant labor?
Yes. Which ones?
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They need inexpensive Well, they're different things. We
need people to come in. Just so you understand
something, [snorts] I'm all for people coming into our
country through the border legally.
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If they come in legally, I want them more than they want
me and more than they want this country. And if you look
at my first term and if you look at this
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term, I want we need people. We're building factories
all over the country who are building. You said, but I
want them to come in to be
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protected respectfully. I want them to come in legally.
But you said agriculture and hotels uh that you wanted
ICE to use common sense against
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them, right? I want them to use Have you directed ICE to
ease deportations against those industries?
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Yes. Are there other industries that you've directed
ICE?
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Because I watch farmers and I deal with farmers and I
want 90% of the farmers, more than that, and they're
great people. And they have great people
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working for them who have been working for them for 25
years. They're almost like a member of the family.
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Are there other in those people thrown out of the
country? Are there other industries or companies that
you've directed ICE to ease deportations on?
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No, the South Korean case some some service industries
uh some I'll give you an example in Georgia with South
Korea.
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They make batteries. Batteries are very complex and
they're very dangerous to make and they make them and
they brought
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in three or 4 hundred people who specialize in them all
and they throw them out. And I was very angry about it.
You know why? because
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they have to open a factory and you can't take a person
off the street who's never seen a battery before and
think that they're going to make highly complex
batteries.
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He actually invoked the ICE raid on that Kyai plant in
Georgia where they deported a whole bunch of South
Korean
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workers who were there setting up a a car battery
factory.
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You have to allow them to bring some of their experts
with them or they're never going to be able to open
their plant. It
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sounds like you were angry at at ICE for this raid on
the Hyundai facility.
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I was not happy about it. Nope. I was not happy about
it. Uh they're making batteries. Batteries are very
dangerous
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and actually very complex and they brought people that
make batteries and those people would have trained our
people how to make batteries and at some
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point they would have gone back because they want to go
back to their country.
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They might not. So, in Trump's telling here, and I was
struck by this, that a fair number of American workers
just may
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not be qualified to do the kind of highly technical
manufacturing that he's prioritizing right now,
something like,
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you know, car batteries. And what's interesting about
that, of course, is, you know, President Trump runs on a
message of remembering forgotten
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America, the bluecollar workingass Americans, you know,
many of whom used to be in the manufacturing sector who
need jobs now in the new economy. And
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he's kind of saying, let's be honest, a lot of those
people, they can't do this work.
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Well, I think what he's saying is they certainly can't
do it at the beginning.
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You can't just immigrants can.
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That's right. That you can't just drop a car battery
factory and expect it to be up and running, right,
without the help
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of the technical workers that they need to get it up and
running and the American workers aren't going to catch
on until that happens.
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To be honest, I'd love to be able to create an
immigration policy that works for everyone.
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You like a comprehensive immigration reform?
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I would love to do it if it was possible. Is Congress
willing to go do that? George Bush tried. If the
Democrats would do it, I'd do it.
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I'd love to have a comprehensive uh immigration policy,
something that really worked. It's about time for the
country to have What would that look like?
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Excuse me.
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What would a comprehensive I don't want to go into that
because it's a very uh it's a very ticklish subject, but
I
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believe that uh there is a plan that can work for
everybody.
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David, I wonder if you were as surprised as I was in
listening to this interview by the president's sudden
enthusiasm
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for something like comprehensive immigration reform. I'm
sure you remember this as well as I do.
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Comprehensive immigration reform is a word that if a
Republican invokes, they are in big, big trouble because
it
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almost always implies that you're going to create a
legal path for those here illegally. That's the
comprehensive part
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of immigration reform. In the past, President Trump has
sought to kill any form of comprehensive immigration
reform. And suddenly he's saying, "I
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want this." You know, Michael, to hear President Trump
come back and discuss this, I was
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sitting there thinking, "How is his own base going to go
react to this?" Because yes, the core of it is
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you do find a pathway for at least some to get to
citizenship. And I'm not sure the current Trump base is
ready for that.
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Can we move on to the economy? I would like to ask you
about uh Republican pollsters lately are warning that
you
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and the party is losing ground with young voters,
particularly young men who are concerned with job
prospects. Could I have the Tik Tok uh thing?
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But what would you say to those young rigged polls?
Look, the polls are rigged just like the writers. But
there's these are Republican pollsters who are warning
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your party that you are not doing enough focus on
American jobs.
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I can't tell you. I I think I'm very popular. This just
came out from Tik Tok.
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It came out just recently that Donald Trump was number
one on Tik Tok and the most popular person. So you can
have these. I don't
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David on the economy. The president pretty forcefully
waves off the idea,
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which we keep finding in poll after poll and in election
results from the last
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off-year election, that voters, including many
Republican voters, are
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persistently feeling anxious about the economy and they
don't think he is focused enough on it. You know, we
kept
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trying to steer him back to this to try to get him to
think about the economic anxieties of ordinary
Americans.
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Mr. President, so many voters voted for you because of
the economy. And I think Katie just wanted to get out.
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The economy is probably the best. It's Look, the economy
right now, I have trillions and trillions of dollars
coming into this economy, more than any
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nation has ever had by far. Our economy is unbelievable.
And I'm bringing down the
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prices. Remember this. I didn't cause the high prices.
Biden did.
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The Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait one second. I
inherited a mess. Listen. I inherited a mess.
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I inherited a highly inflated, horribly run country. The
borders were bad. The military was bad. The Afghanistan
was
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the worst worst day in the history of our country. Maybe
in the I think it was the lowest point. Do you know what
that was? The lowest point. And we may right now be at
the highest point.
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There are good signs and the economy is growing. Wages
are keeping up with inflation. But there are other
indicators that people are are hurting.
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High earners. 10% of high earners make half of the
economy grow.
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I'm bringing they're hurting because of Biden. I'm
bringing No, high earners are not hurting. It's the low
earners. It's the middle earners. It's the people that
you promise to help. What do you say to If
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you look at my achievements, the greatest uh
percentage-wise, the greatest beneficiaries of my
economy in my first term were lowincome workers.
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And it's turning out to be right now blue collar workers
are doing better than anybody else percentage- wise as
they measure that. Uh I inherited a
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mess. It was high prices. It was high inflation. It was
high crime. You know, did you see where murders are the
lowest
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they've ever been? Did you see where crime is at the
lowest point it's ever been? Do you know why? Because
they closed the border and we don't have criminals
pouring into our country.
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Mr. President, do you a few more on the economy? Do you
think um are you basically telling Americans that they
have to wait a little bit
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longer, particularly low and middle income Americans?
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No, it doesn't. I can't fix what they destroyed in four
years immediately. But if you look at it, I have more
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investment income coming in than any president than any
country has ever had.
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What I've done, I mean, it felt in these exchanges that
this concept of the president as
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insulated from the American economic challenges of this
moment was very vividly on display. And you don't sense
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that he is empathetic to those who are worried about the
economy. In fact, he kind of disputes the premise that
there is anything wrong with the economy.
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That's right. Or that new technology like artificial
intelligence would bring about more economic anxiety.
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Mr. President, just on AI, there are many Americans who
are concerned that AI is going to uh AI is going to take
their jobs and they will not will be out of work. I
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think just the opposite. I think AI is going to be a
tremendous job producer. I think that we have so many
jobs. My biggest problem isn't taking the jobs,
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it's that we don't have enough people to fill the jobs
and that's where robots come in. And so I I think you've
got to come to your own
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conclusion about whether or not there's anything in this
interview that would make an ordinary American feel
better
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about supermarket prices or tightening job market or the
anxieties that come
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from the arrival of a new and somewhat terrifying new
technology that's going
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to have effects that none of us can predict. So David,
how does this interview ultimately come to an end?
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Well, the president had stuff he wanted us to see.
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These are two personnel actions that Scavino's team
asked the president to Oh, I'll sign it in two seconds.
Sorry, sir.
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This is a much more important thing to do. So, this is
the ballroom right here. It's beautiful. People love it.
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And after nearly two hours of conversation, he got up,
started pointing out paintings he had dug out of the
vault of the White House and hung.
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Oh, get the get me the model real fast.
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talked about his plans for the White House complex.
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All a reminder that while he is taking out the leader of
Venezuela and threatening to re-engage with the
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Iranians and denying that there's any reason for people
to be anxious about the economy.
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As an example, have you seen the white marble floor
there? No.
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Well, I'm going back up. So, if you want, you could
follow me. Yeah, that' be okay.
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Well, let me just finish this. So, he's also busy
thinking about rebuilding the White House.
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Sir, do you want to show them the renovation?
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Yeah, let's go. Come on. That we had enough. Nice setup,
right, Katie? Good. Two hours, Katie. I could go nine
hours. We're going to continue.
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Sir, can I get two signatures?
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You know, I did a uh a treadmill with the military.
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Well, David, thank you very much for walking us through
this fascinating conversation with the president. When
we come back, we're going to ask that all
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four of you who conducted this interview sit down
together and briefly reflect on the conversation and
what you all took from it. So, we'll be right back.
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So, Tyler, Katie, Zolan, David just walked us through
the highlights of the interview that the four of you did
with him because this went on for so long.
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There's inevitably a lot of material that we couldn't
cover. So, I want to begin by just asking each of you,
what's one thing he said that we probably
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didn't cover with David that's really going to stick
with you when you reflect back on this interview, Katie?
I think
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it's the degree to which the president throughout this
interview really wanted
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credit and he wanted gestures of goodwill from people he
wanted respect from be it Democrats, Republicans,
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members of the news media, the American public. And one
of the ways I felt that that was manifesting during this
whole
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encounter was he's building a ballroom where the East
Wing used to be big enough to host an inauguration
inside for future presidents.
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And he kept going back to this idea that he's a builder.
He mentioned that maybe he was a better builder than he
ever has
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been at politics. And at one point he summons a military
aid to bring in an architectural rendering with
miniature
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models of the ballroom and is sort of almost telling us
and himself that building being built over there.
They'll
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be thanking me as if this is the project that will do
it. That will give him this credit that he has been
seeking in this
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term, his last term, and throughout his time in public
life. Zolan, what about you?
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Katie made the good point of how the president is so
motivated by whether or not he's getting credit. And
it's not
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just about whether he's getting credit now, but it seems
he's also motivated by whether or not he got credit in
the
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first term. And he did not seem bothered at all when we
asked him about his relatives and the business deals and
the
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money that they've made across the world throughout his
second term. When we pressed him on this, he was saying,
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well, in his view, his family showed restraint in the
first term and he didn't get credit.
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Showed restraint in terms of what he was willing to do
in the name of making his family money.
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That's right. And thus now in this term, he said that he
was pretty much unbothered about the business deals that
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his family has been able to pursue. All this, I think,
speaks to a president who's so much more emboldened in
this
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second term. And I think we saw up close and personal
just how emboldened he is.
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Tyler, one thing that I think stood out to me, Michael,
is a conversation we had about anti-semitism because
it's become such a
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flash point within the Republican party as we see this
intraparty warfare over whether or not there is space in
the
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Republican party and the broader Make America Great
Again movement for people who espouse anti-semitic
views, influencers,
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right? And JD Vance, his vice president, said basically
that as long as you love America, you're welcome. And he
didn't
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want to institute purity, even if you're anti-semitic.
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Right? And I asked President Trump whether or not there
was room in his movement for people with anti-semitic
views. And he said, "No, I don't think
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we need them. I don't think we like them." And that puts
him at odds with leading Republican figures, including
his vice president, who seemed more open
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to including people who spread hateful views within the
party.
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It was a moment where he really came out quite strongly
against people who spread anti-semitism when this debate
is coursing through his movement and among
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his supporters, right? He's drawing a pretty bright red
line there. So, one last question for each of you. What
is your ultimate takeaway from this conversation?
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For me, there were moments in this interview where it
almost seemed like the president was a bystander to his
own policies, to his own agenda. There were
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times where he would speak, for example, about an
interest in comprehensive immigration reform and a
potential pathway to citizenship.
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Well, he has also directed his aids to go pursue mass
deportations. And you know, he talked about, well, ICE
needs to be careful around certain industries.
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You run ICE.
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Yeah, you run ICE. And also Steven Miller works for you.
Steven Miller has been clear about pursuing mass
deportations as well. So it was that
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distance he almost seemed to sort of try to create
between himself and in some of the actions that his
administration is taking.
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Yeah, that is fascinating. Katie, what about you?
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My major takeaway from this is that there are many faces
to President Trump and even throughout that interview.
It
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was a real exercise in wrangling those different
personas because he was
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combative. He was upbeat at times. He was very almost
docel when we were asking him probing questions about
his
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health. And so instead of being the President Trump who
has called reporters
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sedicious for asking questions about his health, he
allowed Tyler to ask him if he'd ever taken a GLP1
medication before. He said no.
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Quick interjection. Oh yeah. What did he say?
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He said he had not, but he probably should.
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David asked him if he was on any blood thinners besides
aspirin. The answer was no.
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Yeah. Very personal questions. I asked him if he had
ever had a heart attack.
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These are questions no.
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The answer was no. But the point is this was a different
version of him and you never know which version of him
you are
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going to get and he knows that. He knows that if a
foreign leader calls him that person does not know who
is on the other end of the line.
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Which persona?
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Yes. And that means that this president can dangle
consequences can show up as magnanimous. he can show up
as
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threatening. I think that is my main takeaway going
forward.
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Fascinating. David, you know, all presidents in their
second term turn more to foreign policy, not only
because
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they've got greater leverage and greater freedom, but
because they want to establish a legacy. And I think the
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first thing I took away from it is this is somebody who
thinks about building a foreign policy legacy and
building
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buildings. The second thing that really jumped out at me
was that he was spending this time with the New
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York Times because he really wants an approval for this
new vision of a muscular America.
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And I think he was making what he thought was a
significant investment in trying to explain a new
approach to
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managing the globe. Tyler, what was remarkable to me as
we were in there for quite some time was just
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watching how the Oval Office operated and the bubble
around the president to support all of his needs.
Whether that's
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him pressing the red button on his desk to get a Diet
Coke or the aid that runs out multiple times of the Oval
Office to
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pick up different pieces of paper that he has requested
she print out as evidence for whatever point he's making
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or just the people walking in and out of the Oval Office
with notes, whether that's a foreign leader on the call
or an aid is waiting outside to him
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combining meetings. There were documents he had to sign
and he just had that person come in with the paperwork
as we were sitting there for the interview.
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His phone, his personal cell phone was ringing multiple
times. He took one call from the Fox News anchor Brett
Bear. But
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it was really just quite amazing to see how chaotic,
frankly, [music] the Oval
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Office can be. And we've reported on how this unfolds,
but I think sitting in the Oval Office for an extended
period of
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time and watching it up close really gives you the sense
of how Trump makes decisions, how he thinks, and how his
world [music] operates.
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[music]
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Well, to all four of you, thank you very much. Thank
you. Thank you, Michael.
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Here's
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[music]
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what else you need [music] to know today.
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The A's are 52, the NAS are 47. The motion is agreed to.
[music] The joint resolution will be placed on
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the calendar. On Thursday, a bipartisan group of
senators voted to advance a resolution that would force
President
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Trump to seek congressional authorization for continued
military operations in Venezuela.
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Five Republican senators joined all Democrats in backing
the resolution. One of them, Republican Senator Rand
Paul of
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Kentucky, said that one factor behind his vote was
Trump's suggestion made in his interview with the Times
that the
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United States might remain involved in Venezuela for
years.
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And in Minnesota, local authorities are accusing the
federal government of blocking them from investigating
why an
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ICE [music] agent killed a 37year-old woman in her car.
The accusation came as federal immigration agents in
Portland,
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Oregon, shot two people in their car [music] on
Thursday, apparently under similar circumstances.
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Federal officials accused the two people in Oregon of
weaponizing their car against [music] the agents.
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Today's [music] episode was produced by Asta
Chhaturvveni, Stella Tan, and Mary Wilson. It was edited
by Rachel Quester with help from [music] Paige Cowed.
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Contains music by Rowan Misto and Dan Powell and was
engineered by Chris [music] Wood. Special thanks to
Aphim Shapiro.
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That's it for the daily. I'm Michael Boro. See you on
Monday. |
