1992
from
Cassiopaea Website
Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled "Hypnosis
in MPD: Ritual Abuse," but now usually known as the "Greenbaum
Speech," delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference
on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the
Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia.
Sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The
Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. Both a tape and a
transcript were at one time available from Audio Transcripts of
Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111).
Tapes and transcripts of other
sessions from the conference are still being sold but - understandably
- not this one. The transcript below was made from a
privately made tape of the original lecture.
The single most remarkable thing about this speech is how little
one has heard of it in the two years since its original delivery. It
is recommended that one reads far enough at least until one finds
why it’s called "the Greenbaum speech."
In the introduction the following background information is given
for D. Corydon Hammond:
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B.S. M.S. Ph.D
(Counseling Psychology) from the University of Utah
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Diplomate
in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board of
Psychological Hypnosis
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Diplomate
in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology
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Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American
Board of Sexology
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Diplomate
in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board of Family
Psychology
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Licensed Psychologist
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Licensed Marital Therapist
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Licensed Family Therapist, State of Utah
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Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine
and Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine
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Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy
Clinic, University of Utah
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Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, University of
Utah
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Abstract
Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
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Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board, The Ericsonian
Monograph Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology
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1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society of Clinical
Hypnosis Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
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Current President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C.HAMMOND’
We’ve got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough
approximate outline of the the things that I’d like us to get into.
First, let me ask how many of you have had at least one course or
workshop on hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our
job easier.
Okay. I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training
and the use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder
population, to talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of
doing that, the use of imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for
managing physical symptoms, input overload, things like that. Before
the day’s out, I want to spend some time talking about something I
think has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative
disorder, and that’s talking about methods of profound calming for
automatic hyper-arousal that’s been conditioned in these patients.
We’re going to spend a considerable length of time talking about
age-regression and abreaction in working through a trauma. I’ll show
you with a non-MPD patient - some of that kind of work - and then
extrapolate from what I find so similar and different with MPD
cases. Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I’ve been very
sensitive through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse
cases, part of it being that some of that feels a little like using
patients and I think that this population has been used enough.
That’s part of the reason, by choice, that I don’t generally
videotape my work.
I also want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse-prevention
strategies and post- integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to
find somewhere in our time-frame to spend on hour or so talking
specifically about ritual abuse and about mind-control programming
and brainwashing - how it’s done, how to get on the inside with
that - which is a topic that in the past I haven’t been willing to
speak about publicly, have done that in small groups and in
consultations, but recently decided that it was high time that
somebody started doing it. So we’re going to talk about specifics
today.
[Applause]
In Chicago at the first international congress where
ritual abuse
was talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and
interesting." I can recall many people listening to an example given
that somebody thought was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the
people coming up after saying, "Gee, you’re treating one, too?
You’re in Seattle"...Well, I’m in Toronto...Well, I’m in
Florida...Well, I’m in Cincinnati." I didn’t know what to think at
that point.
It wasn’t too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient
in somebody I was already treating and we hadn’t gotten that deep
yet. Things in that case made me very curious about the use of
mind-control techniques and hypnosis and other brainwashing
techniques. So I started studying brainwashing and some of the
literature in that area and became acquainted with, in fact, one of
the people who’d written one of the better books in that area.
Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D [International
Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and Dissociation]
folks I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I though
were seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I
started surveying them. The interview protocol, that I had. got the
same reaction almost without exception. Those therapists said,
"You’re asking questions I don’t know the answers to. You’re asking
more specific questions than I’ve ever asked my patients." Many of
those same therapists said, "Let me ask those questions and I’ll get
back to you with the answer." Many of them not only got back with
answers, but said, "You’ve got to talk to this patient or these two
patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of telephone
interviewing.
What I came out of that was a grasp of a variety of brainwashing
methods being used all over the country. I started to hear some
similarities. Whereas I hadn’t known, to begin with, how widespread
things were, I was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of
people reporting some similar things and that there must be some
degree of communication here.
Then approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop
in my lap. My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were
accurate about some of the brainwashing, but it was telling me new
material I had no idea about. At this point I took and decided to
check it out in three ritual-abuse patients I was seeing at the
time. Two of the three had what they were describing, in careful
inquiry without leading or contaminating. The fascinating thing was
that as I did a telephone-consult with a therapist that I’d been
consulting for quite a number of months on an MPD case in another
state, I told her to inquire about certain things. She said, "Well,
what are those things?" I said, "I’m not going to tell you, because
I don’t want there to be any possibility of contamination. Just come
back to me and tell me what the patient says."
She called me back two hours later, said,
"I just had a double
session with this patient and there was a part of him that said,
’Oh, we’re so excited. If you know about this stuff, you know how
the Cult Programmers get on the inside and our therapy is going to
go so much faster.’"
Many other patients since have had a reaction of wanting to pee
their pants out of anxiety and fear rather than thinking it was
wonderful thing.
But the interesting thing was that she then asked, "What are these
things?" They were word perfect - same answers my source had given
me. I’ve since repeated that in many parts of the country. I’ve
consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in some cases
over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases giving
the therapist information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful
how you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don’t
contaminate." In other cases not even giving the therapist
information ahead of time so they couldn’t.
When you start to find the same
highly esoteric information in
different states and different countries, from Florida to
California, you start to get an idea that there’s something going on
that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of
communication and sytematicness to what’s happening. So I have gone
from someone kind of neutral and not knowing what to think about it
all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real and that
the people who say it isn’t are either naive like people who didn’t
want to believe the Holocaust or - they’re dirty.
[Applause]
Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists that I
knew and trusted, information and say,
"Spread it out. Don’t spread
my name. Don’t say where it came from. But here’s some information.
Share it with other therapists if you find it’s on target, and I’d
appreciate your feedback."
People would question
- in talks - and
say, you know, they were hungry for information. Myself, as well as
a few others that I’ve shared it with, were hedging out of concern
and out of personal threats and out of death threats. I finally
decided to hell with them. If they’re going to kill me, they’re
going to kill me. It’s time to share more information with
therapists. Part of that comes because we proceeded so cautiously
and slowly, checking things in many different locations and find the
same thing. So I’m going to give you the way in with ritual-abuse
programming. I certainly can’t tell you everything that you want to
know in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I’m going to give you the
essentials to get inside and start working at a new level.
I don’t know what proportion, honestly, of patients have this. I
would guess that maybe somewhere around at least fifty percent,
maybe as high as three-quarters, I would guess maybe two-thirds of
your ritual-abuse patients may have this. What do I think the
distinguishing characteristic is? If they were raised from birth in
a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline person, meaning
neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult people had a lot of access
to them in early childhood, they may also have it. I have seen more
than one ritual-abuse patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual
things you hear about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about
all the typical things that you hear in this population, but had
none of this programming with prolonged extensive checking. So I
believe in one case I was personally treating that she was a kind of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone off and done their own
thing and were no longer hooked into a mainstream group.
[Pause]
Here’s where it appears to have come from. At the end of World War
II, before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our
Intelligence Community were already in Switzerland making contact to
get out Nazi scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out
rocket scientists, but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have
been doing mind-control research in the camps.
They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young
boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition
and a background of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to
people in the Cult because at least by the turn of the century
Aleister Crowley had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff,
if not earlier. I suspect it may have formed some bond between them.
But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to
them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them.
They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence
in military hospitals in the United States. The people that came,
the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his
name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a
physician and continued this work that appears to be at the center
of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients throughout
the country.
[Pause]
What they basically do is they will get a child and they will start
this, in basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the
child’s already been made dissociative. They’ll make him dissociative not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also
things like putting a mousetrap on their fingers and teaching the
parents, "You do not go in until the child stops crying. Only then
do you go in and remove it."
They start in rudimentary forms at about two and a half and kick
into high gear, it appears, around six or six and a half, continue
through adolescence with periodic reinforcements in adulthood.
Basically in the programming the child will be put typically on a
gurney. They will have an IV in one hand or arm. They’ll be strapped
down, typically naked. There’ll be wires attached to their head to
monitor electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing
light, most often described as red, occasionally white or blue.
They’ll be given, most commonly I believe, Demerol. Sometimes it’ll
be other drugs as well depending on the kind of programming. They
have it, I think, down to a science where they’ve learned you give
so much every twenty- five minutes until the programming is done.
They then will describe a pain on one ear, their right ear
generally, where it appears a needle has been placed, and they will
hear weird, disorienting sounds in that ear while they see photic
stimulation to drive the brain into a brainwave pattern with a
pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the goggles that are
now available through Sharper Image and some of those kinds of
stores. Then, after a suitable period when they’re in a certain
brainwave state, they will begin programming, programming oriented
to self-destruction and debasement of the person.
In a patient at this point in time about eight years old who has
gone through a great deal early programming took place on a military
installation. That’s not uncommon. I’ve treated and been involved
with cases who are part of this original mind-control project as
well as having their programming on military reservations in many
cases. We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now
was in a Cult school, a private Cult school where several of these
sessions occurred a week.
She would go into a room, get all hooked up. They would do all of
these sorts of things. When she was in the proper altered state, now
they were no longer having to monitor it with
electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on her
electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four on the head.
Sometimes they’ll be on other parts of the body. They will then
begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with someone in the
group." She’d say, "No, I’m not" and they’d violently shock her.
They would say the same thing until she complied and didn’t make any
negative response.
Then they would continue. "And because you are angry with someone in
the group," or "When you are angry with someone in the group, you
will hurt yourself. Do you understand?" She said, "No" and they
shocked her. They repeated again, "Do you understand?" "Well, yes,
but I don’t want to." Shock her again until they get compliance.
Then they keep adding to it. "And you will hurt yourself by cutting
yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe she’d say yes, but they might
say, "We don’t believe you" and shock her anyway. "Go back and go
over it again." They would continue in this sort of fashion. She
said typically it seemed as though they’d go about thirty minutes,
take a break for a smoke or something, come back. They may review
what they’d done and stopped or they might review what they’d done
and go on to new material. She said the sessions might go half an
hour, they might go three hours. She estimated three times a week.
Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain brainwave
state and with these noises in one ear and them speaking in the
other ear, usually the left ear, associated with right hemisphere
non-dominant brain functioning, and with them talking, therefore,
and requiring intense concentration, intense focusing. Because often
they’ll have to memorize and say certain things back, word-perfect,
to avoid punishment, shock, and other kinds of things that are
occurring. This is basically how a lot of programming goes on.
Some of it’ll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of
techniques. There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things
done at times. There’ll be sensory deprivation which we know
increases suggestibility in anyone. Total sensory deprivation,
suggestibility has significantly increased, from the research. It’s
not uncommon for them to use a great deal of that, including formal
sensory- deprivation chambers before they do certain of these
things.
[Pause]
Now let me give you, because we don’t have a lot of time, as much
practical information as I can.
The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some of this might
be there would be with ideomotor finger-signals. After you’ve set
them up I would say, "I want the central inner core of you to take
control of the finger-signals." Don’t ask the unconscious mind. The
case where you’re inquiring about ritual abuse, that’s for the
central inner core. The core is a Cult-created part.
"And I want
that central inner core of you to take control of this hand of these
finger-signals and what it has for the yes-finger to float up. I
want to ask the inner core of you is there any part of you, any part
of Mary," that’s the host’s name, "who knows anything about Alpha,
Beta, Delta, or Theta."
If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might have
someone with formal intensive brainwashing and programming in place.
I would then ask and say,
"I want a part inside who knows something
about Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta to come up to a level where you
can speak to me and when you’re here say, ’I’m here.’"
I would not
ask if a part was willing to. No one’s going to particularly want to
talk about this. I would just say, "I want some part who can tell me
about this to come out." Without leading them ask them what these
things are. I’ve had consults where I’ve come in. Sometimes I’ve
gotten a Yes to that, but as I’ve done exploration it appeared to be
some kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two or
three cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe
they were in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was
obvious that they did not have what we were looking for.
Let me tell you what these are. Let’s suppose that this whole front
row here are multiples and that she has an alter named Helen and she
has one named Mary, she has one named Gertrude, she has one named
Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica. Every one of those alters
may have put on it a program, perhaps designated
alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine"
or make some kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same
part out in any one of them even though they had different names
that they may be known by to you.
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Alphas appear to represent general programming, the first kind of
things put in.
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Betas appear to be sexual programs. For example, how
to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals,
having to do with producing child pornography, directing child
pornography, prostitution.
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Deltas are killers trained in how to kill
in ceremonies. There’ll also be some self-harm stuff mixed in with
that, assassination and killing.
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Thetas are called psychic killers.
You know, I had never in my life heard those two terms paired
together. I’d never heard the words "psychic killers" put together,
but when you have people in different states, including therapists
inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to them,
"Psychic killers," it tends to make one a believer that certain
things are very systematic and very widespread. This comes from
their belief in psychic sorts of abilities and powers, including
their ability to psychically communicate with "mother’" including
their ability to psychically cause somebody to develop a brain
aneurysm and die. It also is a more future-oriented kind of
programming.
Then there’s Omega. I usually don’t include that word when I say my
first question about this or any part inside that knows about Alpha,
Beta, Delta, Theta because Omega will shake them even more.
Omega
has to do with self-destruct programming. Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the end. This can include self-mutilation as well as
killing- themselves programming.
Gamma appears to be system-protection and deception programming
which will provide misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell
you half-truths, protect different things inside.
There can also be other Greek letters. I’d recommend that you go and
get your entire Greek alphabet and if you have verified that some of
this stuff is present and they have given you some of the right
answers about what some of this material is, and I can’t underline
enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this killers?" Get the
answer from them, please. When you’ve done this and it appears to be
present, I would take your entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor
signals, go through the alphabet and say, "Is there any programming
inside associated with epsilon, omicron," and go on through. There
may be some sytematicness to some of the other letter, but I’m not
aware of it. I’ve found, for example, in one case that Zeta had to
do with the production of snuff films that this person was involved
with.
With another person, Omicron had to do with their linkage and
associations with drug smuggling and with the Mafia and with big
business and government leaders. So there’s going to be some
individualism, I think, in some of those.
Some of those are come-home programs, "come back to the Cult",
"return to the Cult" program.
Here’s the flaw in the system. They have built in shut-down and
erasure codes so if they got into trouble they could shut something
down and they could also erase something. These codes will sometimes
be idiosyncratic phrases, or ditties. Sometimes they will be numbers
maybe followed by a word. There’s some real individuality to that.
At first I had hoped if we can get some of these maybe they’ll work
with different people. No such luck. It’s very unlikely unless they
were programmed at about the same point in time as part of the same
little group. Stuff that I’ve seen suggests that they carry laptop
computers, the programmers, which still include everything that they
did twenty, thirty years ago in them in terms of the names of
alters, the programs, the codes, and so on.
Now what you can
do is get erasure codes, and I always ask, "If I say this code,
what will happen?’ Double check. "Is there any part
inside who has different information?" Watch your ideomotor signals
and what I’ve found is you can erase programs by giving the
appropriate codes, but then you must abreact the feelings. So if you
erase Omega, which is often where I’ve started because it’s the most
high risk. Afterwards I will get all the Omega, what were formerly
Omega alters, together so that we will abreact and give back to the
host the memories associated with all the programming that was done
with Omega and anything any Omega part ever had to do in a
fractionated abreaction.
They use the metaphor - and it is their metaphor
- of robots, and
it is like a robot shell comes down over the child alter to make
them act in robotic fashion. Once in a while internally you’ll
confront robots. What I found from earlier work, and so I speed the
process up now because I confirmed it enough times, is that you can
say to the core,
"Core, I want you to look
- there’s this robot
blocking the way in some way, blocking the progress. Go around and
look at the back of the head and tell me what you notice on the back
of the head or the neck."
I just ask it very non-leading like that
and what’s commonly said to me is that there were wires or a switch.
So I’ll tell them, "Hold the wires or flip the switch and it will
immobilize the robot and give me a yes-signal when you’ve done it."
Pretty soon you get a yes-signal. "Great. Now that the robot is
immobilized, I want you to look inside the robot and tell me what
you see."
It’s generally one or several children. I have them remove the
children. I do a little hypnotic magic and ask the core to use a
laser and vaporize the robot so nothing is left. They’re usually
quite amazed that this works, as have been a number of therapists.
[Pause]
Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the problem.
Let me come over to the overhead and give some ideas about them.
What we have up here are innumerable alters.
I’ll tell you one of the fascinating things I’ve seen. I remember a
little over a year ago coming in to see some cases, some of the
tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of a couple of the
finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who are always part of
all the international meetings, have lectured internationally. We
worked and I look at some of their patients. They were amazed at
certain things because they had not been aware of this before. As we
worked with some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one
woman who’d been inpatient for three years, still was inpatient.
Another who had one intensive year of inpatient work with all the
finest MPD therapy you can imagine - abreactions, integrations,
facilitating cooperation, art therapy, on and on and on, journaling,
intensively for one inpatient year followed by an intensive year of
outpatient therapy two, three hours a week. In both patients we
found out that all of this great work had done nothing but deal with
the alters up here and had not touched the mind-control programming.
In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who was
outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by her
mother, out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still had
intact suggestions that had been give to her at a certain future
time to kill her therapist.
Now one of the things that I would very carefully check is, I would
suggest that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask
the core, "Is there any part inside that continues to have contact
with people associated with the Cult? Is there any part inside who
goes to Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a recording device inside
of Mary," if that’s the host’s name, "a recording device inside so
that someone can find out the things that are said in sessions?"
This doesn’t mean they’re monitored. Many of them just simply have
it. "Is there someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens
in our therapy sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from
some past experience that when you look at this you will find the
large proportion of ritual-abuse victims in this country are having
their ongoing therapy monitored.
I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed
her father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six.
After that it would only when her father had visitation and he would
take her to rituals sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I
haven’t gone to anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist
believed this at face value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour
inquiry using hypnosis. We found the programming present. In
addition to that we found that every therapy session was debriefed
and in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the
appointment with me.
Another one had been told that I was Cult and that if she came I
would know that she’d been told not to come and I would punish her.
If anything meaningful comes out in a patient who’s being monitored
like that - from what I’ve learned thus far, they’re tortured with
electric shocks - my belief is if they’re in that situation you
can’t do meaningful therapy other than being supportive and caring
and letting them know you care a lot and you’ll be there to support
them. But I wouldn’t try to work with any kind of deep material or
deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing but get
them tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure
inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some of the work
required.
I have a feeling that when you make inquiries you’re going to find
that probably greater than fifty percent of these patients, if
they’re bloodline, meaning mother or dad or both involved, will be
monitored on some ongoing basis. [Pause] Now when you come below the
alters, you then have Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, so and so forth,
the Greek-letter programming and they will then have backup
programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups.
There may be one code that combines all the backups into one and
then an erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all the
backups. So I will get the code for, let’s say, Omega and for all
the Omega backups at the same time. After I’ve asked "What will
happen if I give this," I will give the code and then I will say,
"What are you experiencing?" They often describe computer whirring,
things erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting things.
I’ve had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never
said anything about robots she said something about robots
vaporizing."
I remember one therapist who’d been with me in several hypnosis
workshops and consulted with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told
her to inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got
back to me saying, "Yeah, I got an indication it’s there. What is
it?" I said, "I’m not going to tell you. Go back and inquire about
some of this." We set an appointment for a week or so hence. She got
back with me and said, "I asked what Theta was and she said,
’psychic killers.’ I asked her what Delta was and she said
’killers.’" Okay. So I told her about some of this stuff for a
two-hour consult.
She called back and she said, "This seemed too fantastic. I heard
this and I thought, ’Has Cory been working too hard?’" she said, I’m
embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in high
professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight
zone that I really thought, ’Is he having a nervous breakdown or
something?’" She said, "But I respected you enough to ask about
this." She said, "I asked another MPD patient and she didn’t have
any of this." So in this patient she started describing things and
how she worked, for example, with an erasure and she was describing
things like robots vaporizing and kinds of things. She said, "I
hadn’t told her about any of these things." Well, here’s the
problem. There are different layers and I think some of them are
designed to keep us going in circles forever. They figured we
probably, in most cases, wouldn’t get below the alters which they
purposefully created.
The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind.
It’s part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at. If
you’re going to get an assassin, you’re going to get somebody to go
do something, you divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like
the assassination of Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on
examining Sirhan Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of the
killing of Robert Kennedy, but under hypnosis could remember it. But
despite suggestions he would be able to consciously remember, could
not remember a thing after was out of hypnosis. I’d love to examine Sirhan Sirhan.
It appears that below this we’ve got some other layers. One is
called "Green Programming" it appears. Isn’t it interesting that the
doctor’s name is Dr. Green? One of the questions in a way that does
not contaminate is after I’ve identified some of this stuff is there
and they’ve given me a few right answers about what some of it is,
"If there were a doctor associated with this programming and his
name were a color, you know, like Dr. Chartreuse or something, if
his name were a color, what color would the color be?"
Now once in a while I’ve had some other colors mentioned in about
three or four patients that I felt were trying to dissimulate in
some way and I don’t really believe had this. In one case I got
another color and I found out later it was a doctor whose name was a
color who was being trained by Dr. Green almost thirty years ago and
he supervised part of the programming of this woman under this
doctor. I remember one woman couldn’t come up with anything. No
alter would speak up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on
to some other material. About two minutes later she said, "Green. Do
you mean Dr. Green?" We found this all over.
There appears to be some
Green Programming below that and I suspect
that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper you
go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green Tree.
Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you’re going to work
with this you need to pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One
is by a man named Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q," Dion
Fortune. Another is by Ann Huffer-Heller and it’s called "The Kabbalah." I knew nothing about the Cabala. It was interesting. A
patient had sat in my waiting area, got there considerably early and
drew a detailed multicolored Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It
took me two months to figure out what it was. Finally, showing it to
somebody else who said, "You know? That looks an awful lot like the
Cabala Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric in an old book
and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr. Green.
Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his original name
was
Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in German? Green Tree,
Ultra-Tree and the Green Tree. I’ve also had patients who didn’t
appear to know that his original name was Greenbaum, volunteered
that there were parts inside named Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give
you some information about parts inside that may be helpful to you
if you’re going to inquire about these things, because my experience
is one part will give you some information and either run dry or get
defensive or scared and stop. and so you punt and you make an end
run and you come around the other direction, you find another part.
I’ll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if there’s a part by
this name.
And, by the way, when I’m screening patients and fiddling
around with this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is
there a part inside by this name and by that name" as a check on
whether or not it appears genuine. For example. "In addition to the
core," I ask, "is there a part inside named Wisdom?" Wisdom is a
part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I’ve often found, will be
helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there a part inside
named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is there a
part inside named Zelda?" I’ve never encountered one yet! Just to
see what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully. Diana
is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part
called the Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that.
Remember
the Process Church? Roman Polanski’s wife, Sharon Tate, was killed
by the Manson Family who were associated with the Process Church? A
lot of prominent people in Hollywood were associated and then they
went underground, the books say, in about seventy-eight and
vanished? Well, they’re alive and well in southern Utah. We have a
thick file in the Utah Department of Public Safety documenting that
they moved to southern Utah, north of Monument Valley, bought a
movie ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built a bunch
of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few people go
out of there and no one can get in and changed their name.
A key word in their name is "Foundation."
The Foundation. There are
some other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree. So you can
ask, "Is there something inside known as The Foundation?" I might
ask other things to throw people off. "Is there something known as
the Sub-Basement?" Well, maybe they’ll conceive of something. Or "Is
there something known as the Walls?" There are a variety of
questions you can come up with, to sort of screen some things. I’ve
also found that there will often be a part called "Black Master," a
part called "Master Programmer," and that there will be computer
operators inside. How many of you have come into computer things in
patients? There will typically be computer operators: Computer
Operator Black, Computer Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple.
Sometimes they’ll have numbers instead, sometimes they’ll be called
Systems Information Directors. You can find out the head one of
those. There’ll be a source of some information for you. I will ask
inside, "Is there a part inside named Dr. Green?" You’ll find that
there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my experience.
Usually with a little work and reframing, you can turn them and help
them to realize that they were really a child-part who’s playing a
role and they had no choice then, but they do now. You know, they
played their role very, very well, but they don’t have to continue
to play it with you because they’re safe here and in fact,
"If
the Cult simply found out that you talked to me, that they you
had shared information with me, you tell me what would they do to
you?" Emphasize that the only way out is through me and that they
need to cooperate and share information and help me and that I’ll
help them. So all these parts can give you various information.
Now they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let me give you
an example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this - by the way I used
to think this programming was only in bloodline people. I’ve
discovered it in non-bloodline people, but it’s a bit different.
They don’t want it to be just the same. I don’t think you’ll find
deep things like Ultra-Green and probably not even Green Programming
with non-bloodline people. But let me tell you something that I
discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a bloodline.
We were going along and a patient was close to getting well,
approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly
started hallucinating and her fingers were becoming hammers and
other things like that. So I used an affect-bridge and we went back
and we found that what happened was that they gave suggestions, that
if she ever got well to a certain point she would go crazy. The way
they did this was they strapped her down and they gave her LSD when
she was eight years old.
When she began hallucinating they inquired
about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize them in
good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then combine the
drug-effect with powerful suggestions.
"If you ever get to this
point you will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get
well you will go crazy like this and will be locked up in an
institution for the rest of your life."
They gave those suggestions
vigorously and repetitively. Finally they introduced other
suggestions that, "Rather than have this happen, it would be easier
to just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient then, as I began
inquiring about deep material, the patient started to experience
similar symptoms. We went back and we found the identical things
were done to her.
This was called the "Green Bomb." B-O-M-B. Lots of interesting
internal consistencies like that play on words with
Dr. Greenbaum,
his original name. Now in this case it was done to her at age nine
for the first time and then only hers was different. Hers was a
suggestion for amnesia.
"If you ever remember anything about
Ultra-Green and the Green Tree you will go crazy. You will become a
vegetable and be locked up forever."
Then finally the suggestions
added, "And it’ll be easier to just kill yourself than have that
happen to you, if you ever remember it."
At age twelve then, three years later, they used what sounds like an
Amytol interview to try to breach the amnesia and find out if they
could. They couldn’t. So then they strapped her down again, took and
gave her something to kind of paralyze her body, gave her LSD, an
even bigger dose and reinforced all the suggestions. Did a similar
thing at the age of sixteen. So these are some of the kind of booby
traps you run into.
There are a number of cases where they combined powerful drug
effects like this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some
of this deeper level stuff.
What’s the bottom? Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you
that I’ve had a lot of therapists who were stymied with these cases
who were going nowhere. In fact someone here that I told some basic
information about this to in Ohio a couple of months ago said it
opened all sorts of things up in a patient who’d been going nowhere.
That’s an often common thing. I think that we can move down to
deeper levels and if we deal with some of the deeper level stuff it
may destroy all the stuff above it. But we don’t even know that yet.
In some of the patients I’m working with we have pretty much dealt
with a lot of the top-level stuff. I’ll tell you how we’ve done some
of that. We’ll take and erase one system like Omega. Then we will
have a huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in a
fractionated abreaction associated with those parts.
I typically find I’ll say to them, "Now that we’ve done this are
there any other memories and feelings that any parts that were Omega
still have?" The answer’s usually "No." At that point I will say,
"I
usually find at this point in time the majority, if not all, of
those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a desire or need to
be different, realizing that you split off originally by them and
want to go home to Mary and become one with her again."
I use the
concept often now - which came from a patient - of going home and
becoming one with her. "Going back from whence you came" is another
phrase I’ll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do
not feel comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns
about that?" If there are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few
may not integrate. My experience is most of the time they’ll
integrate and we may integrate twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD.
I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings before you
go on. Also for many patients it hasn’t seemed to matter the order
we go in but I’ve found a couple where it has. If it doesn’t seem to
matter I’ll typically go Omega, then Delta because they have more
violence potential, then Gamma to get rid of the self- deception
stuff. What I will do before I just assume anything and do that, is
once we’ve done Omega and showed them that success can occur and
something can happen and they feel relief after, I will say to them,
"I want to ask the core
- through the fingers - is there a
specific order in which programs must be erased?"
You know maybe it
doesn’t matter but most of the time I found "No." There are cases
where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or three of those
because they’ll produce relief and and a sense of optimism in the
patient. But then I would recommend starting to probe for the deeper
level things and getting their input and recommendations about the
order in which we go. Question?
Q: What has been the typical age and typical gender of this type of
person?
Dr.H: I know of this being found in men and women. Most of the
patients I know with MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are
women, however. I know of some men being treated where we’ve found
this. A while back I was talking to a small group of therapists
somewhere. I told them about some of this. In the middle of talking
about some of this all the color drained out of one social worker’s
face and she obviously had a reaction and I asked her about and she
said, "I’m working with a five-year-old boy," and she said, "Just in
the last few weeks he was saying something about a Dr. Green."
I went on a little further and I mentioned some of these things and
she just shook her head again. I said, "What’s going on?" She said,
"He’s been spontaneously telling me about robots and about
Omega." I
think you will find variations of this and that they’ve changed it,
probably every few years and maybe somewhat regionally to throw us
off in various ways but that certain basics and fundamentals will
probably be there. I have seen this in people up into their forties
including people whose parents were very, very high in the CIA,
other sorts of things like that. I’ve had some that were originally
part of
the Monarch Project which
is the name of the government
Intelligence project. Question in the back?
Q: I’m still not grasping how one starts, how you find out how to
erase. How do you get that information?
Dr.H: I would say, "I want the core, if necessary, using the
telepathic communication ability you have to read minds," because
they believe in that kind of stuff, "so I’ll use it..." I was
trained in Ericsonian stuff, "...to obtain for me the erasure code
of all Omega programs. When you’ve done so, I want the yes-finger to
float up." Then I ask them to tell it to me. "Are there backups for
Omega programs?" "Yes." "Okay? How many backups are there?" "Six,"
they say, let’s say. It’s different numbers. "Is there an erasure
code for all the backup programs?" "No." "Is there an erasure code
that combines all the backups into one?" "Yes." "Obtain that code
for me and when you’ve go it give me the yes-signal again." It can
move almost that fast in some cases where there’s not massive
resistance. Question?
Q: Yes, can you tell me what you know about the risks to the
therapist? [Laughter]
Dr.H: You would have to ask.
Q: Yeah, I’d like to know that. What kind of data do you have given
that you’ve had contact with large numbers of people. Not just
threats but also any injury, any family problems that have arisen.
That’s one question. A second one is are you aware of anybody that
you’ve treated - or others - with this level of dissociation and
trauma that have recovered? Integrated? Whole and happy?
Dr.H:
Okay, I have one non-bloodline multiple, complex multiple who
had this kind of programming where they have a lot of access to the
patient as neighbors and where the doctor, by the way, you’ll find
physicians heavily involved. They’ve encouraged their own to go to
medical school, to prescribe drugs to take care of their own, to get
access to medical technology and be above suspicion.
There have been a couple, in fact, in Utah who’ve been nailed now.
We now in Utah have two full time ritual-abuse investigators with
statewide jurisdiction under the Attorney General’s Office to do
nothing but investigate this.
[Applause]
Okay? In a poll done in the
State of Utah in January by the major
newspaper and television station, they found that ninety percent of
Utahans believe that ritual abuse is genuine and real. Not all of
them believe it’s a frequent occurrence but some of that was
imparted from two years of work by the Governor Commission on Ritual
Abuse, interviewing, talking, meeting people, gathering data.
Now when people say, by the way, "There’s no evidence. They’ve never
found a body," that’s baloney. They found a body in Idaho of a
child. They’ve had a case last summer that was convicted on
first-degree murder charges, two people that the summer before that
were arrested where the teenaged girl’s finger and head were in the
refrigerator and they were convicted of first-degree murder in
Detroit. There have been cases and bodies.
Back to risk. I know of no therapist who’s been harmed. But patients
inform us that there will come a future time where we could be at
risk of being assassinated by patients who’ve been programmed to
kill at a certain time anyone that they’ve told and any member of
their own family who’s not active. If that would come about is
speculative. Who knows for sure? Maybe, but I don’t think it’s
entirely without risk. A question in the back?
Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity between
these kinds of programming and those people who claim that they’ve
been abducted by spaceships and have had themselves physically
probed and reprogrammed and all of that sort of thing. Since Cape
Canaveral is across the Florida peninsula from me and I don’t think
that they’ve reported any spaceships lately, I was just wondering is
there any sort of relationship between this and that?
Dr.H: I’ll share my speculation, that comes from others really. I’ve
not dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist that
I know and trust and respect who I’ve informed about all this a
couple of years ago and has found it in a lot of patients and so on,
who is firmly of the belief that those people are in fact
ritual-abuse victims who have been programmed with that sort of
thing to destroy all their credibility. If somebody’s coming in and
reporting abduction by a flying sauce who’s going to believe them on
anything else in the future? Also as a kind of thing that can be
pointed to and said, "This is as ridiculous as that."
All I know is that I recently had a consult, a telephone consult,
with a therapist where I had been instructing her about some of this
kind of stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the fifth or
sixth interview she said, "By the way, do you know anything about
this topic?" I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I
shared with you. I said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that
she’d been seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would ask
inside for the core to take control of finger-signals and inquire
about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta." She proceeded to do all that, got
back to me a week later and said, "Boy, were you on target. There is
a part inside named Dr. Green. There’s this kind of programming."
Yes?
Q: What’s the difference between this kind of program and
cult-type
abuse and Satanic abuse in the kind of cults with the candles and
the...
Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in
the cults with the
candles and all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in
people where they have great access to them or they’re bloodline and
their parents are in it and they can be raised in it from an early
age. If they are bloodline they are the chosen generation. If not,
they’re expendable and they are expected to die and not get well.
There will be booby traps in your way if they aren’t non-bloodline
people that when they get well they will kill themselves. I’ll tell
you just a little about that. My belief is that some people that
have ritual abuse and don’t have this have been ritually abused but
they may be may be part of a non-mainstream group. The Satanism
comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this.
People say, "What’s the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the
purpose of it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates,
ten of thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, do child
pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling,
do snuff films, all sorts of very lucrative things and do their
bidding and eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they’ll
create a Satanic Order that will rule the world. One last question.
Then I’ll give you couple of details and we need to shift gears.
Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point
at a high level
of the U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I
know we’re short of time, but could you just say a few words about
the documentation that may exist for that suggestion?
Dr.H:
There isn’t great documentation of it. It comes from victims
who are imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many
people have described the same scenario and how many people that we
have worked with who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in
the Military, including very high-ups in the Military.
I can tell you that a friend and colleague of mine who has probably
the equivalent of half the table space on that far side of the room
filled with boxes with declassified documents from mind-control
research done in the past which has been able to be declassified
over a considerable - couple of decades - period and has read more
government documents about mind control than anyone else, has a
brief that has literally been sent in the past week and a half
asking for all information to be declassified about the Monarch
Project for us to try to find out more.
Now let me just mention something about some of the stuff that my
experience is in several patients now that you may run into late in
the process. I know I’m throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it
is completely foreign and some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of
this be true?" Just, you know, ask. Find out in your patients and
you may be lucky and there isn’t any of this. Somewhere at a deep
level you may run into some things like this. Let me describe to
you, if I can find my pen, the system in one patient. One patient I
had treated for quite a while, a non-bloodline person.
We had done what appeared to be successful work and reached final
integration. She came back to me early last year and said she was
symptomatic with some things. I started inquiring. I found a part
there we’d integrated. The part basically said,
"There was other
stuff that I couldn’t tell you about and you integrated me and so I
had to split off."
I had done some inquiring about things like
Alpha, Beta as a routine part of it and found they were there and I
said to this part,
"Why didn’t you tell me about this stuff?" She
said, "Well, we gave you some hints but they went right over your
head." Says, "I’m sorry, but we know that you didn’t know enough to
help us but now we know you can."
So the stuff started coming out.
It was interesting.
She described the overall system - if I can remember it now
- as
being like this.
-
The circle represented harm to the body, a system
of alters whose primary purpose was to hurt her including symptoms
like Munchhausen’s, self-mutilation, other kinds of things.
-
Each of
the triangles represented still another different system.
She said,
"With the exception of me," this one part, "you dealt with the whole
circle with the work that we did before but you didn’t touch the
rest of the stuff."
Okay. In the middle of all this was still another system consisting
of the Cabalistic Tree, which some of you are aware, looks
approximately like this with lines in between and so on and so
forth. There’s a rough approximation. That represented another
system. Then once we got past that she implied that this entire
thing was somehow encompassed by, what do you call it, an hourglass.
I kept thinking we were at final integration then I’d find some
other parts. This person had an eagle-eye husband that was watching
for certain things that we found to be reliable indicators. So often
I would get evidence of dissociation within a few days. It would
suddenly be picked up. You know, what we found was I continued to
find evidence of dissociation and I’d find parts. Finally this part,
as I got angry with him and said,
"Why when I give these ideomotor
inquiries am I getting lied to?" This part said, "Because you don’t
understand. You’re going to get us all killed."
We started talking and then she basically said,
"It’s been programmed
so that if you succeed and think you’ve succeeded, you will fail.
They build it in as a way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us
integrated, we will die."
Here’s what she said, this part said, "I’m one of twelve disciples,"
and I’ve seen this in others, twelve disciples within this hourglass
each of whom had to memorize a disciple-lesson which were basic
Satanic kind of premises, philosophies of life like "be good to
those who hurt you, hate those who are nice to you," on and on and
on. There may be two or three sentences like that associated with
each that they had to memorize them.
They said,
"We are like grains of sand falling and when the last
grain of sand falls, there’s Death."
I said, "Is Death a part?"
"Yes. When the last grain of sand falls the Sleeping Giant awakens."
The Sleeping Giant was Death, who was then to kill them on Day-One
or Day-Six after awakening unless certain things were followed and
we did some of those.
Well we also found Death had a sister as a backup, used with mirrors
to create the sister part. We had to get past and deal with that
too. Death had certain things that they said had to be done to
integrate. I started to say,
"Oh, come on, they lied to you before."
She said, "Wait a minute. This what they said you’d say. They said
that no doctor would ever believe that they had to go these extremes
to get us well and that’s part of the reason they’d fail."
I said,
"Well, tell me, tell me again." She said, "I have to be dressed all in red. I have to have Demerol
onboard, have taken Demerol. A code has to be given and it has to be
in a room that’s totally dark. It has to happen on Day-One or
Day-Six after this part’s been awakened."
I said what I’d have to lose? I had a psychiatrist give her a little
Demerol. We used the code. My office didn’t have any windows anyway.
It was pretty easy. Oh, and there had to be four, I think, candles
lit. Well, fine. So we did it and everything went well. Maybe it
would have gone well if we hadn’t done it, but I decided not to take
the chance and to trust the patient maybe. Well, so we go on and
then we find another part. There’s Death And Destruction, another
backup also with a sister that we had to get through. In fact, I
think there were two backups there. Interestingly, the very last
part was an extremely nice part, made especially that way so that
they wouldn’t want to lose them because they would be so adorable
and so loving and so sweet that they wouldn’t want to maybe get rid
of them. Then we found that she continued to have these feelings
with this last part left now of darkness and blackness inside. What
did we find? A curtain.
She said, "They assumed that if you ever got to this point, you
would," and along the way, by the way, we had encountered this stuff
about the LSD stuff, the Green Bomb programming. The message was
that she said,
"There is a curtain behind which are the remaining
feelings and memories, but it can’t be opened from the middle. It’s
like a stage curtain. It has to opened this way," that it can’t be
opened.
They assumed that you would try to deal with all the
feelings. That can’t be opened until you’ve dealt with that last
part and they’ve integrated. So far it looks like we’ve got
integration that’s holding. So I found Death And Destruction and the
Hourglass in non-bloodline.
"The Tree and the Hourglass," this patient informed me, "were made
of sand because we were meant to die. We’re expendable. We’re the unchosen generation."
I’ve heard variously that it’s crystals or blood that fills the
Hourglass in bloodline people. By the way, you can do real simple
things like turn the Hourglass on its side so nothing can fall out,
so time stands still to be able to do certain kinds of work. Spread
the grains of sand on the seashore so that they can’t be numbered
and the time will not be counted. Got that idea from a ritual-abuse
victim who had seen some of this kind of programming done that
another therapist was seeing.
So those would be just a few other hints about things that may be
helpful or meaningful. We’re talking about very intensive things and
at deep levels to to me this give us two things. One thing it gives
to me is hope because it gets to material and it makes progress like
nothing else we’ve ever seen with these people who have it. The
second thing it does for me is it demoralizes me, too, because
although three years ago I had a pretty good idea about the extent
and breadth of what they’d one to these victims, I had no real
appreciation for the depth and breadth and intensity of what they’d
done.
I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other
question is how many of them can get well?
We don’t know. In most things in the mental health profession we
accept two-thirds of the patients are going to improve, maybe
seventy percent. There’s very little we can get everybody well. I
think one of the sad things we have to face is that many of these
patients will probably never be well. My personal belief is that if
they are being messed with their only hope of getting well is if
they can somehow get out of contact.
Now I know patients who’ve gone to other states and simply had
deep-level alters pick up the phone and call and said, "This is our
new address and phone number" so that they could be picked up
locally. I mean in an inpatient unit for an extended period of time.
If they are in a Cult from their area and they are still being
monitored and messed with, my own personal opinion is we can’t get
them well and can’t offer more than humanitarian caring and
supportiveness.
Lots of therapists do not like to hear that. That’s my opinion. I
believe that if somehow they’re lucky enough to be wealthy enough to
have protection, to have somehow gotten away in some way and we can
work with them without being messed with, that they have a chance to
reach some semblance of normality and livability with enough
intensive work. My own personal belief is I don’t think anybody with
this kind of programming is well in this country yet. There are some
who are well along the way. I’ve got a couple who are well along in
their work and have done a tremendous amount, but they’re clearly
not well yet.
Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and
the fantasy games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons
and that sort of thing?
Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You
want to see a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see
"Trancers II." You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last
fall. One night in sheer desperation for something at the video
store, you know? Nine o’clock on Friday night. Everything’s gone. I
rented a couple of movies and one of them is that. Fascinating.
They’re talking about Green World Order. Yes, "Trancers II." And who
is the production company? Full Moon Productions. I couldn’t see
much cuing in "Trancers I," but who’s the production company in "Trancers
I"? Alter Productions. There are lots of things around that are
cuing.
There’s an interesting person in the late sixties who talked about
the Illuminati. Have any of you ever heard of
the Illuminati with
regard to the Cult? Had a patient bring that up to me just about
exactly two years ago. We’ve now had other stuff come out from other
patients. Appears to be the name of the international world
leadership. There appear to be Illuminatic Counsels in several parts
of the world and one internationally. The name of the international
leadership of the Cult supposedly. Is this true? well, I don’t know.
It’s interesting we’re getting some people who are trying to work
without cuing who are saying some very similar things. There was an
old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who talked about the
infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati.
Certainly what some patients have said is all of this spook stuff,
horror stuff, possession and everything else that’s been popularized
in the last twenty years in Hollywood is in order to soften up the
public so that when a Satanic world order takes over, everyone will
have been desensitized to so many of these things, plus to
continually cue lots of people out there. is that true?
Well, I can’t definitely tell you that it is. What I can say is I
now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is
systematic, is very organized from highly esoteric information which
is published nowhere, has not been on any book or talk show, that we
have found all around this country and at least one foreign country.
Let’s take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to
other material. Yes?
Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of
uncertainty that a patient is or is not being still tampered with,
"messed with," as you said?
Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I’ve inquired
about, Core, Diana, Wisdom, Master Programmer, several parts inside
I would ask about these sorts of things and I will keep asking it.
As you do additional work and get a bit further, I would ask again
to find out. In the back?
Q: I wonder if you’ve heard or you know of the
Martin Luther
Bloodline?
Dr.H: The what?
Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?
Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I’ll give you
one other quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There’s
an identification code that people have. It will involve their birth
date. It may involve places where they were programmed and it will
usually involve a number in there that will be their birth order,
like zero-two if they were second-born. It will usually involve a
number that represents the number of generations in the Cult, if
they are bloodlines. I’ve seen up to twelve now, twelve generations.
Q: I have seen a lot of the things you’ve been describing today in
several patients. I wanted to ask you a question about the Seven
Systems. You mentioned something about systems here. Are there Seven
Systems?
Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, the
Seven
Systems.
Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?
Dr.H: I don’t think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I
think it may have to do with Seven Cabalistic Trees.
Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have
been tagged and there have been anything of their body-parts that
might be related to this, private parts in particular?
Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that
have had a variety of other kinds of things, some of which have
been, you know, documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe
they did that to themselves or had it done consciously to really
prove something, not that occurs to right off the bat. Let me just
take this one last question back and we need to go on to other
material because we’re never going to get through it all. I’ll just
ask you to hold your question.
Q: It’s not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally,
and perhaps for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very
sincerely for taking this time to come forward.
[Applause]
Dr.H: Well...
[Applause]
Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this
material? It’s wonderful.
[Sustained applause]
Dr.H: A dear friend who’s one of the top people in the field, who I
know has had death threats, but I know struggled for professional
credibility in believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even
believing in that ten and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a
point of professional credibility. I think in his heart of hearts he
knows it’s true, but he will say things like,
"I wouldn’t be
surprised to find tomorrow it was an international conspiracy and I
wouldn’t be surprised to find tomorrow that it is an urban myth and
rumor."
He tries to stay right on the fence and the reason is because it’s
controversial, because there is a campaign underway saying these all
false memories induced by, along with incest and everything else, by
"Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to Heal" and by naive
therapists using hypnosis. It’s controversial.
My personal opinion has come to be if they’re going to kill me,
they’re going to kill me. There’s going to be an awful lot of
information that’s been put away that’ll go to investigative
reporters and multiple investigative agencies, if it happens, and an
awful lot of people like you , I hope, that if I ever have an
accident will be pushing for a very large-scale investigation. I
think we have to stand up as some kind of moral conscience at some
point and I tried to wait until we had gotten enough verification
from independent places to have some real confidence that this was
widespread. I know we’ve gone like a house afire to try to pack as
much as I could in for you. I hope it’s given you some things to
think about and some new ideas and I appreciate being with you.
[Long sustained applause]
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