January 17, 2006

GS: You're listening to the Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski. Two hours - two hours with great interviews all the time. We get into the news behind the scenes that the mainstream media refuses to cover. What a shame.

Let me just update some things before I tell you who my guest is today. I've been promo-ing it all week, and we're going to get deep inside the Family, the Order, the Illuminati today, for two hours. And you've got to stay with us from the beginning to the end of this interview.

I just wanted to mention we had Dr. Martini on earlier in the week. A big aspartame vote, to ban aspartame in New Mexico, is going on today. I called her last night. They held it over until today. So we'll know later this morning whether aspartame is banned in New Mexico. That could have a chain effect that could really save a lot of lives.

Also, I wanted to mention the bulldozing in New Orleans. Now this is a story on my website. You can go to www.arcticbeacon.com, and you're going to see this story. This is an incredible story we've been following, with Brandon Darby from Common Cause Relief down there. A New Orleans federal judge, a crooked order here, folks, last Friday quashed all hopes for Ninth Ward residents to get their day in court as he indiscriminately canceled a January 17^th hearing to hear evidence on why the city has no right to demolish homes under eminent domain laws.

Basically what he did is that there was supposed to be a hearing this week. There was a restraining order to stop the indiscriminate bulldozing of over 44 thousand homes in the Ninth Ward, many of which, Brandon says, are in good shape. Needless to say, they do not need to be demolished. But the people are a long, long, long way away from New Orleans, kept away by these FEMA programs that we've documented.

Brandon says now what happened is the judge called the lawyers in, canceled the hearing, and said,

"Listen, you're going to take my orders, which are this. Both lawyers are going to adhere to this. You can demolish the homes as long as you give the people notice."

So it doesn't matter if they object, apparently, just as long as they know their home is going to be bulldozed down, and that's what the city is doing right now. So we'll keep track of that story as it goes on this week.

Now, on my website all week, I've been running this series on the feared Illuminati. That word started to be used back in the 18^th century. There are other words - the Family, the Order, for people that are inside this group. So let's not get hung up on the words. What this group does is amazing.

As I documented in my series which is going on now, part three is on today, so if you want to go to Arctic Beacon and get that, and it's talking about Svali, who was a member of the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. She is with us as our guest today, and after this break we're going to find out the whole story from beginning to end about Svali's involvement, and then about how she decided to get out and what she's doing now. And I might add, it's a great thing what she's doing now, alerting people and also helping many, many people in America understand exactly what this group is all about.

So anyway, we'll be back with Svali on the Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski.

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GS: Okay, we're back. It's eight minutes after the hour, and we're going to get deep inside the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. We have a guest who was involved with this group, born into it, for over thirty years. Her name is Svali. Svali, are you with us?

SV: Uh, yes I am.

GS: Well, it's nice to have you here. I know you don't give radio interviews, and I really want to thank you, because I think it really does help the American people understand about this secret organization that you were born into. So I guess we can just start from the beginning. Tell us - right from the beginning you were born into this, from wealthy parents. Tell us about your training in this group when you were a young child and then up until your orientation at the Vatican. Go ahead.

SV: (surprised, laughing) Well, that's a pretty broad area, Greg! That could take hours, if you know what I mean.

GS: Yes, but do it, you know, if you could just outline it for us.

SV: Yeah. I mean, I was born in the group, I was born in Germany, and came to the US very young. I basically went through all the training that the group... all members of the group do undergo training to various degrees, depending on the role.

By the time I was a teenager, I was a youth leader, and by the time I was 22, I became the youngest member of Leadership Council in San Diego County . At that time I was a head trainer. I was the sixth trainer and eventually moved up to the second position.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: When I was twelve, I had mentioned with you the ceremony at the Vatican...

GS: Right.

SV: ...that they really do make all leadership in the group undergo at some point.

GS: Now basically when you were growing up, I remember you told me that you were instilled at a young age. You were born to a very wealthy, well-to-do family.

SV: Yes.

GS: You moved back to the States. You were told at a very young age you were special, you were "chosen." Correct?

SV: Well, they tell everyone in the group that they are special and chosen, and that's one of the things that made me very cynical when I was older. You will never meet a person who is an Illuminati who has not been told or programmed for years that they're special, they're the only one that can do things for quote-unquote "Family".

But I was told, yes, I would do great things for Family one day. The reason why I can filter some of this with an objective view is that I know what my role in the group was. It was over quite a significant number of other people. So I don't evaluate my role or specialness within the group so much by what I was told, but by what I did.

(regretful downturn in voice on "what I did")

GS: So you reached the age of 12, and then you're told by your parents you're going to an induction ceremony in the Vatican.

SV: Yes.

GS: Can you tell us how that happened and what occurred at that ceremony when you went there?

SV: (deep breath, voice becomes stressed) Okay. Um, this isn't easy to talk about, as you know.

When I was twelve, I was flown over to Germany. And I was at, I'll call them the German Fathers' house, over there. And, there was some preparation for a few days, beforehand, and I was told that there would be a very important ceremony. And it was considered a sealing ceremony at that point. And basically I was told a little bit about what I was expected to do during the ceremony.

When we got there, we went through the Vatican. Underneath the Vatican there is a large room that I described to you when we talked before. It has 13 catacomb chambers leading into it. And what they do is as you go down these steps into the room, you can see that it's circular, so they're all rounded. They bring out the mummies from the catacombs. And they set them beside each one [each of the 13 catacomb chambers], and they say "That's the spirit of the Fathers watching over the ceremony."

During the ceremony, there was a large table in the center of the room. It was on top of this huge golden pentagram. They had a ceremony there.

GS: So how many kids, how many other children were with you being inducted into the Family or the Order, as they call it?

SV: There were two other children at that point. But there were several adults too.

GS: Okay.

SV: See, the Church also brings in adults to swear their allegiance, too, just so you know. I was told, and I don't know if this is true, that if you want to rise to a certain position within the Catholic Church hierarchy, you do have to go through that ceremony as well.

GS: Okay, so you're down in this room. Your parents weren't present.

SV: No. No. The German Father and the French Father were.

GS: Okay, and at that point tell our listeners what you witnessed.

SV: (pause, additional voice stress) Well, there was a table. It looked like dark glass in the center of the room. It was made out of a stone, but it was very shiny and darkened black. It may have been something like obsidian or onyx, I'm not sure. This was the only time I've seen stone like that.

Around the corners it had these gold channels that, you know, collect fluids. A little boy was placed in the center of the table and drugged. I think he was drugged, because he was very quiet. He didn't move or say anything.

GS: This was a little three or four-year-old boy, right?

SV: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

GS: Then they continued to do a child sacrifice.

SV: Yes, they did. Yes. I told you about that before. Yeah.

GS: Now afterwards, quite, what an unbelievable experience for a youth, a 12-year-old. What went through your mind when that happened?

SV: I was terrified! I mean, I was absolutely horrified. I... I... I... I can't describe the terror you feel when you go through something like that.

GS: And do you remember the words they were saying as this was going on?

SV: (pause) The man was in scarlet - he was speaking in Latin. And basically he was saying, "Please accept the sacrifice on this day." And then he said, "This sacrifice will seal the ceremony." And then he did it.

Again, I was so terrified that... (sighs) Have you ever been in a situation where your heart's racing, but you can't do anything? You're just kind of sitting there, and you're kind of fading in and out?

GS: Well, I can remember as a youth being frightened, but I don't think I've ever...

SV: (crosstalk) No. All right.

GS:... had anything quite like what you've had.

SV: Imagine your heart rate going up to about 220. You can't move. You're kind of shaking, but you're trying not to show it.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: It was horrible. Actually, I keep thinking inside, "I can't wait 'till it's over. I can't wait." You don't say this, but inside you're just saying over and over, "I can't wait 'till this is over. I can't wait 'till this is over. I can't wait 'till it's over."

GS: Mm hm.

SV: Afterwards, the man in scarlet, he had a huge golden ring on his hand. He came over to the center of the room. Each of the people that were swearing that day had to go forward and kneel before him and kiss his ring, and swear my allegiance to the New Order, to the New World Order for all... until my death.

GS: Hm. Now at that point you were escorted out.

SV: Yes. Yeah. After the ceremony was all over. I mean, the other people also did theirs as well. They had to swear their allegiance too.

GS: And they were the same age as you?

SV: The two children were, but there were also three adults that went forward and did the same. And afterwards, we were told, (slowly and precisely): "May the same to you or worse occur should you ever break this oath."

GS: Hm. So it's basically... whew! Imagine at that age, what [this would do]. And you weren't really prepped for this, were you? You were told there was a ceremony, but you didn't expect anything like this, from what I've gathered talking to you.

SV: It was very difficult to go through, just because the sense of horrific oppression down there was the worst I've [ever felt.] I've gone through some ceremonies in my life in the Illuminati, you do go through them. But I have to say that in my experience this was the worst, just because... I can't explain the amount of darkness in that room. It was just pure evil. And unless you've ever been in a... seen a person... it was just horrible.

It wasn't just what happened, but just... I mean, the oppression. And I'm a Christian now, and I know the difference between when there is evil present - oppression - or when God's love is present, which is joy and peace. That's the exact opposite of what there was in that room.

GS: Now you know what I find quite interesting about this? About 25 years ago, I was a reporter and a freelance writer in Rome, and I spent six years there. I walked through the Vatican many, many times... hundreds of times. I covered the papal addresses, things like that.

During that time I was there during a Vatican scandal, which involved the Church bank and other things... members of the Illuminati, the Freemasons. I was approached by a woman, Maria Vendital (ph), and I'll never forget this. Rome's a small town. People knew I was covering stories about the secret societies, things like that. I had to ask people.

Well, this woman came up to me and told me similar stories. She wasn't quite as specific because she couldn't handle it without breaking out crying, and tried to commit suicide twice because she couldn't get out of the Illuminati. She was a member, born into it from a very wealthy northern Italian family. She told me basically the same ceremony took place with her.

And so, when I started talking to you, I wanted to relay that to you, and also to relay to my listeners that I also heard about this, 25 years ago, from a woman by the name of Maria, and several other people in Italy that I talked to. I was never able to locate or really, probably for my own safety, ever find out what happened.

But again, Svali's corroborating a story that I heard about 25 years ago. We'll get back after the break with this incredible story of a member who is now out of the Illuminati, out of the group and safe, on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

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GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski. We're talking to Svali, a member of the Family, the Order, the Illuminati, for thirty years.

Svali, you leave the induction ceremony. You walk out into the Vatican courtyard with one of the fathers, I believe. What did he tell you then?

SV: At that point he just told me to never forget. He told me that I had performed well during the ceremony because I didn't scream or pass out or anything like that. He said "You did very well," and he was pleased. Then we stayed at a home nearby. It must have been a local person. I didn't know them. We spent the night there before we went back to Germany.

GS: Okay, and what about the other people during the ceremony. How did they handle themselves? Do you remember?

SV: (sighs) I'm going to say, unfortunately, I was so... when you're in that kind of situation, the last thing you're thinking about sometimes is what the other people are doing. (Laughs) I was just so trying not to lose it myself. I do know that no one screamed or shouted or anything like that. Everyone was quiet. I think to say 'dead silence,' is, unless the person was spoken to, true - or unless they had to go forward and kiss the ring.

GS: All right, let's move on. I think we've, uh...

SV: Yeah.

GS: A question I've wanted to ask you, and this is such a wide subject. I've had a chance to talk to you for a number of days, and I've done some stories about it.

You go back home, you're twelve years old. You say you were schooled in the twelve disciplines.

SV: Yes.

[12 disciplines, from Svali's online book:

1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish. 4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel: " The child will be taught spiritual principles of "traveling" both internally and externally, with set ups, role playing, and guided exercises reinforced with trauma. The goal will be to reach "enlightenment", an ecstatic state of dissociation reached after severe trauma."

9,10,11: "Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate and increase cognition, decrease feeling." (Details of these 3 steps vary according to child's future role in the cult. These roles include Informers, Breeders, Prostitutes, Pornography, Media personnel, Preparers, Readers, Cutters, Chanters, High Priest/Priestess, Trainers, Punishers, Trackers, Teachers, Child Care, Couriers, Commanding Officers and Behavioral Scientists.)

12. Coming of age ceremony (Vatican underground sacrifice).]

GS: So your life begins, and you know now you're in some type of organization that is very different than what most people experience. Tell us... I guess what I want to do is leave it open to you to begin. You've written so in-depth on this story. I'm just going to give you the microphone and let you begin. Tell the listeners what you think is important about your original training, about the group and about many things that I know people want to know about the Illuminati. Go ahead.

SV: Okay. Well Greg, first I want to say that my purpose in talking about this is not to glorify evil. There are very wicked people out there, very powerful people. I don't want to at all magnify their power, but I do want people to know that this is real. These people exist. People who say there are people out there that are involved in these activities... it really happens.

I also, because I know that there are children being hurt in the group every day, and that's my motivation for coming forward.

I don't like giving interviews for obvious reasons. I am willing this one time to lay aside my privacy and personal safety because these people need to be stopped. They need to be stopped.

GS: Okay.  SV: Okay?  GS: Go ahead.

SV: Normally children in the group are born into it. The Illuminati very rarely does outside recruitment. That's not their main method. It's just passed down generally, generationally from father to son, and mother to daughters to children. And so the whole family line has been in it.

Throughout the centuries people have tried to escape, but a lot of times they were either poisoned, murdered or set up to look like a suicide. They don't like it when people leave, and they try to make it very difficult - simply because it looks bad. (slight laugh)

They go through an enormous amount of training, from the time they are an infant. You undergo indoctrination. And when I say indoctrination, I don't just mean like cult programming so much as watching your parents and seeing what they do.

My parents modeled their behavior. To them the group was very important for growing up. I saw that three times a week, everything was dropped to tend to the activities. Okay?

GS: Okay.

SV: Basically the training process is designed to help you take on your adult role in the group. The Illuminati cover so many levels there too. It goes all the way from what most people think of as a satanic coven type thing, at the very low local level, all the way through... it's a huge, enormous business corporation.

At the mid-levels, you have people overseeing finances and administration, who are overseeing... I mean, these people are making a LOT of money through gun running, through white slavery, prostitution, pornography. They have links and ties to the Mafia, left and right. And, in fact the mafia are afraid of them. (Laughs)

GS: Hm.

SV: Yeah. (Laughs): Well, think about it! Because they know that you don't cross the members of the group. They have a very spiritual orientation. They are not satanic, though; they are Luciferian, which is different.

The ultimate goal of their spiritual philosophy and their sense of discipline is they believe that should you complete all of your training, you become a god. That is their actual end goal. They believe in the achievement of Godhood - of Illuminist philosophy - through what they call Enlightenment, or Illumination, which is how they got their name.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: They are international. In Europe there are twelve fathers who sit, who represent the different nations of Europe. They are very expectantly awaiting He Who Is To Come, and during that ceremony in the Vatican, (bumper music starts) on my knees I had to swear my allegiance to serve He Who Is To Come. They believe that the coven...

GS: Svali, can you, uh, I have to take a break.

SV: Sure.

GS: We'll continue with the massive organization, your role as a mid-level person in the Illuminati on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

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GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal, and I'm talking with Svali. Svali, why don't we just pick it right up where we left off at the break. You were telling us about this hierarchy that starts with twelve fathers. Can you just run that down for us so people know exactly how this group is organized?

SV: Sure. At the top levels, it's in Rome. That's the power center or the heart of the Illuminati, where the power base is. And that's why all leadership must swear fealty in Rome, because that's considered the core of, the spiritual center of the Universe. That's how they view it.

From there, in Europe there are twelve fathers - one for each country in Europe. When I was younger I had to also meet with the fathers at one point and kiss the ring, and go through another ceremony of allegiance to them as well.

In the Illuminati, the European Fathers rule over what are called the different houses. For instance, if you are from Germany then you belong to the German House, if you are from France you belong to the French House - they call them Houses. UK, Russia, Poland, Belgium, Spain, Italy and others.

From there, America was considered a mission field for them. In the 17, actually in the 1600s, Pittsburgh became the first port of entry for them. That's where they first settled. That's why it's still considered a spiritual power base for the group on the East Coast in the US.

GS: You know, I did want to mention one thing. A caller / listener / reader of your stories sent me an email, and said, "Greg, check into the reason why President Bush, right after being elected, went into and talked to a Masonic group there." I found that quite interesting.

SV: Oh yeah.

GS: Go ahead.

SV: It's the spiritual power base for the group. From there, it spread out across the Atlantic seaboard, and then throughout the nation. The nation is divided into many regions, multiple regions but seven main regions. The East Coast region has its spiritual power base in Pittsburgh, but the administrative power base is in Alexandria, Virginia. That's where they administer the finances during the day to day operations.

The West Coast, or the West region, west of the Mississippi, has its power base in the San Diego area.

GS: And that's where you spent a lot of time, correct?

SV: Yeah. Yes. I was sent from, the Alexandria Council sent me to San Diego to help them out.

GS: Okay, go ahead.

SV: Those are the two, of course, main regions. And then each of those regions are divided into sub-regions.

So then you have your Regional Councils sitting over those, and overseeing activities. If you can think of the structure of a large multinational corporation, that's really how the Illuminati is structured. Then beneath each of the regional councils are your local councils. They call them sister groups or sisters, or your local councils. Then you have your local groups under those as well, or what they call the sister groups.

Any major metropolitan city could have anywhere from five to fifteen groups, depending on the size of the population base. Or more.

GS: Now you were saying that, how many people are in this group in America now, from your estimate, of knowing a lot of this stuff? Go ahead...

SV: Pure Illuminati, I would say about one percent, give or take, based on population.

GS: So it's a fairly huge... big organization, correct?

SV: Yes.

GS: Now their goal, basically. Just give us the broad overview goal, and then I want to get into some of these, you know, your role in it, and some of these ways that the Illuminati makes money that you learned about.

SV: Yeah.

GS: Go ahead.

SV: You know, when you say "To rule the world," it almost sounds laughable - like "yeah, right", you know. I think people get ideas of thinking or wanting to rule the world. But really, that is their goal. They believe that they are the intelligent leaders, and they believe that the rest of the world are sheep that need wise... They see themselves as wise leadership. So they believe that their goal is to rule the world.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: But at the same time, they have occult ways of doing that. Their main way of doing that is behind the scenes. They believe in infiltration of the media, of education and of government - those are the three areas - and of the financial system. And they have successfully done quite a bit of all four throughout Europe and the US, as well as other countries.

GS: Now you said that they, basically the Illuminati is divided into about six or seven groups, and everyone is born into a group. Could you outline what those groups are?

SV: Well no, it's all one group, there are just different levels.

GS: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the Sciences, the Government, or...

SV: Oh. Oh. Okay. The Illuminati is divided into different branches of learning. These branches include Sciences, Military, Government, Leadership, Scholarship and Spiritual. Those are the six branches of learning. And while all children need to undergo some training or teaching in each area, as they get older... They begin profiling you from infancy, and they know where your activities and abilities are. Then you're, you really go into... Most people specialize in one branch or possibly two branches of learning.

GS: And you were involved in what branch?

SV: I was heavily involved in Sciences, and also to some degree I did some Spiritual as well - but mainly Sciences.

GS: Just to backtrack one minute, these twelve disciplines. As a child, you were rigorously trained in this, correct?

SV: Yes.

GS: Okay. And what were those disciplines?

[1. To not need. 2. To not want. 3. To not wish. 4. Survival of the fittest. 5. The code of silence. 6. Betrayal is the greatest good. 7. Not caring. 8. Time travel. 9,10,11: Sexual trauma, learning to dissociate and increase cognition, decrease feeling - details of these 3 steps vary according to child's future role in the cult. 12. Coming of age ceremony (Vatican underground sacrifice).]

GS: I mean, if... You don't have to go through each one of them, but what primarily were you taught?

SV: (pause) I think the best way would be to give you an example of just one type of training that they do.

GS: Okay.

SV: I was two years old. I was left in a room for probably a 24-hour period. When you are that age it is hard to estimate, but it was a long time. I know that the sun did go around (laughs) at least once, and it wasn't just like a few hours.

At that age, when you are two and you are left alone without food and water, you are terrified. And at the end of the time, I was just dying of thirst. My morale was just... I have never been so thirsty in my entire life.

My mother walked into the room. A lot of times they have the children, you know, or the parents train the children at these early ages. There was a table in the middle of the room and I was sitting at it. She brings in this cold pitcher of water and she starts pouring it. I said, "Mom! I want a drink of water," and she slapped me out of the chair. (pause)

GS: Hm.

SV: And I remember crying! And as I'm crying, she's drinking the water in front of me, and she leaves! She takes the pitcher of water. And a couple of hours later, she came back in and did the same thing. And I said, "Mom, Mom, I want water!" And she slapped me! I mean, across the room.

After this had happened about three times, luckily I was bright enough that by the third time she came in, I mean, I remember crying silently, but I just looked at her. I didn't ask.

After she got up and left with the pitcher, a man came into the room. He said, "You did very well that time." And then he gave me a drink of water.

GS: Hm.

SV: That was part of the "learning not to want" stage. Looking back on it, I realize now as an adult that the part of that training was to teach me not to recognize my own physiological needs and respond to them, but to look to outside people to tell me what I wanted or needed. Which is what...

GS: Now you basically, you told me you led a dual life in the Illuminati. That's basically how they function.

SV: Oh yeah!

GS: You have a day job, and then at nighttime you're quite busy sometimes with the cult activities, correct?

SV: Yes.

GS: Okay. What I wanted to get into... you were talking about these groups. I remember I mentioned to you, you said you had these meetings three times a week. I said, "Well, what about if I wanted to go and visit, and maybe do a story about them?" What would happen, or how could... would I be able to find one of these meetings that were going on, in your area of Escondido?

SV: Well no, because of the security measures. And A), you really don't want to show up unannounced at a meeting if you could get through their security, because the chances are you would never make it out alive. Let's just say that a certain auto accident would occur, and be reported in the papers: "Unfortunate accident - man accidentally runs into tree." (Laughs) I mean, I'm serious!

The security that they have during group meetings is so intense that it would be very difficult. They have security at the one-mile perimeter, the three-mile perimeter and the five-mile perimeter. They have three people assigned. Usually one is up in a tree where you can't see him at the five-mile perimeter.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: And then you have one person who is standing, looks like a security guard for the estate, because these are often large, wealthy estates, which is appropriate. He is dressed in a uniform. The third person is standing hidden behind a tree. As cars come through, and they come through the gates - remember these are gated estates.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: So if it's not someone on their approved license checklist, they will stop the car. It's just like at a military installation. They will say, "Can I help you? Are you lost?" Their goal is to delay the person. Now if a person is saying, "Oh, this is blah blah blah," and they are just asking for directions, they will give them directions, be very pleasant and send them on their way, to where they are supposed to be going.

But if they are acting as if they want to go further into the estate, and this is not an okay person, then they will say, "Uh, all right, well HE'S NOT EXPECTING YOU." That's a code word. That tells the person either behind, up in the tree, or hidden further back - they radio ahead and they say "UNEXPECTED VISITOR."

At that point, everyone has been trained to pick up and leave immediately, within five minutes - with no traces of the activity.

GS: So this is some of the methods they go through so you don't get caught. I know that you wrote an article about why the cult doesn't get caught.

SV: Oh yeah.

GS: It's pretty specific. You have so much stuff here, and we can't get into it all in two hours, so please pick and choose what you think is most important. But I find that to be interesting - why the cult doesn't get caught. Is there anything in just a brief time you could explain to us... that?

SV: Well, their security, their money, their influence. Some of these people even own newspapers. Imagine trying to get a (laughs) article published, you know, disclosing... There's a lot of reasons why they don't get caught. That's the first thing people ask.

Then my next question is, "Well, how many child pornographers are there out there, that the police have been chasing for years, and have never found or caught?"

GS: Correct.

SV: And they're not even members of a secret organization. They're just trying to hide, you know. So when you consider that...

GS: Now you...

SV: Okay.

GS: Yeah. You were a mid-level person in this organization, a head trainer. We're going to get into those specifics in the next hour. But you know, what did you learn about the infiltration of this group into all our different areas of government and media? They are basically at the high levels of most of our financial institutions also, correct?

SV: Yes.

GS: And that is a great way to pursue their goal. I guess I've got to ask you this. How come things are moving a little bit faster in America now? I remember back in the 80s when I was confronted with this, when I came back home I didn't really see this kind of New World Order movement... all this different symbolism that you see now. What is going on, just for our listeners, right now? Why are things stepped up since 9-11?

SV: I believe it's because they can see the fulfillment of their goal... See, I'm going to sound very cynical now, and please forgive me for this, okay? Their goal is to rule the world, and personally I believe that they do - it's just not open yet.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: And they say they're now preparing people for when they disclose themselves openly. Does that mean that they can't be stopped? I believe they could. I believe it would take a miracle, because of the amount of infiltration I see at all levels of society, and the world. These guys, these people have a lot of money. They have a lot of influence. And your average person has no idea of how much is going on behind the scenes that no one understands.

But, with that said, I think that they're already there, they just aren't open. These people just don't know where they're going! (Laughs) If they did, I think the average person would be horrified to know how much is going on behind the scenes that people really don't know.

GS: Yeah, and the point of this interview, one, I had two goals...

SV: But... But you see, I don't want to sound disparaging, because I am also a strong Christian. I have faith in God, and I believe through prayer, and through people knowing... I mean, I would like them to be stopped. I just don't know, at this point, how do you take on the financial institutions of the world, the major oil enterprises of the world, you know? (Laughs) That's the question! (Laughs) You know?

GS: Yeah! You know, it is a difficult question. Now you're in the mid-level of this group. You worked your way up to a head trainer, correct?

SV: Yeah... Yeah.

GS: Now what did you learn... Before we get into specifics, you outline some in of your writings, the big money-making... the ways this group makes its money. Can you go over and outline some of those methods?

SV: Again, if you can think of an illegal activity, they're probably involved at some point. Maybe not overtly, at the point of where the actual money is first shaking hands - but when you have child pornography, prostitution, white slavery, gun running, gambling, then at some point where the money is changing hands, buffered by about four layers of people, there's going to probably be someone from the Illuminati involved at that point. These guys have their fingers in everything.

GS: Now...

SV: Uh...

GS: Go ahead.

SV: But they also use legitimate means. They launder their money. When you have a lot of money, you have to do something with it. And so, these men don't come in and say, "Hi! I'm a member of the Illuminati and I want to run your bank." What they'll do is they'll quietly come in and become a quiet investor, start buying up shares. And over a period of maybe, almost a lifetime, they will get a controlling interest in the bank, or become a very... you know. Or maybe in their son's lifetime.

That's the other thing about the Illuminati. The Illuminati do not see it as "This is what must happen now, in my lifetime." These people have goals that last for centuries, for two centuries. They are very, very patient.

GS: And that's why the specific training of the children is so important, correct?

SV: Yes. It's to teach you PATIENCE. Everyone knows, growing up in the group, we may not see the coming order disclosed or open or revealed in our lifetime, but our children or our grandchildren may. So they will spend their entire life trying to bring about the goals of the organization.

GS: (Chuckles) Hm. Incredible. So now you're in the mid-level. I can see now where they used these programming techniques, the different mind control techniques. We have a minute before the break. Just kind of whet our interests about how you... what your specific role was.

SV: Well, they did a lot of what you might call human experimentation. And they had a lot of research protocols going on. So one thing I did was to supervise the research going on. I was teaching the younger trainers and head trainers how to do things more efficiently, how to do their job well, but also reviewing their research reports for errors or problems.

Eventually I became kind of a consultant. If a problem occurred, or they didn't know how to install something, or if they needed assistance, I would help them with problem solving as well.

GS: Okay, Svali, I'm going to have to take a break. We'll be back in three minutes. We'll continue, on  Republic Broadcasting Network.

[commercial break - resume 54:24]

GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal. I've got a short four minute segment here, then we'll take a break and come back with Svali for a whole [additional] hour. We're talking about jobs in the Illuminati, the practical daily jobs that these members of this group, who are infiltrated in America heavily... what they do. Now one thing I find interesting, Svali, knowing the media... I'm not going to name names or anything, because I don't have any specific information. But I find it interesting.

Doing some background checks on a lot of the top media people in our country, they all come from these very wealthy families. (Laughs) Now that's not the typical MO for a journalist. A journalist is somebody who grows up on the street, wants to talk to people, I can think of Jimmy Breslin, guys who never went to college, didn't know how to type, and just got in there, took their tie off and started writing stories.

But you know, as you look at the media now, there are all these silver spoon kids - growing up with silver spoons. I find that quite interesting. How deeply infiltrated, from your knowledge, are they in our media?

SV: Wow. Pretty... I do know, uh, fairly deeply. I remember that when I was in San Diego on Leadership Council during meetings, they would laugh about how people had no idea of how much they were being influenced and didn't even know it. They found that kind of amusing, which is... I mean, that's the mindset of people in the group, though. They're like, "The sheep have no idea that they're being led by the hand."

And they find it amusing, because they show it as evidence of... I mean, I'm just describing what they say, I don't agree with it now, but they saw as evidence of the stupidity of the m... of the average person - that they have no idea.

I'm not saying that every news story or every newscaster is a member of the group... by no means. But, they specifically do teach and train and educate children that show an aptitude for the media, because they want that. And if the person has a bright, charismatic personality, and presents well, then that child will go into that, if they have their verbal communication and other skills required.

GS: Well, you know, that could explain why a lot of our stories really never get covered, outside of the influence they have financially and the ownership of the media.

SV: (crosstalk) That's absolutely not by coincidence.

GS: What's that?

SV: Not at all a coincidence.

GS: Yes. That's a good idea, folks, why you're not getting the news from those outlets. Not only in our government. It explains a lot of things. Look at the war in Iraq. Look at the evidence there that shows what is wrong. Look at what they're doing in Iran right now. I mean, it's incredible. All this stuff is pretty obvious, people. There's something behind it. Svali is here trying to explain this organization from her knowledge, and it is quite, quite a story.

I know this idea. You were involved as a trainer of mind programming? I mean, this is just, I'm looking at some of the chapters in a book you have yet to publish [in paper book form]. We're talking about brainwave, color control, metal, jewel programming, programming link to stories and movies... I mean, it goes into suicidal programming.

In just a minute here before our break, can you kind of break down what you learned about the importance, well, oh! We've got to take a break, Svali, sorry. We're going to do that quickly, then we'll get back to you. We're talking to Svali, regarding her role as a head trainer in the Illuminati, the American Illuminati. We'll be back, on the Republic Broadcasting Network, in two minutes.

[END OF FIRST HOUR]

GS: Okay, we're back on the Republic Broadcasting Network. One more hour. We're talking to Svali, and she was a head trainer in the Illuminati.

Svali, what type of programming do they actually teach you, and how do you learn these different techniques?

SV: Well, you're taught from childhood on. My training in how to be a programmer started very young. I was mentored by another programmer at the age of 5, by a doctor at George Washington University. Not only did he do the programming on me, but also taught me how to do it to others. The types of programming... again, that could be a whole ten-hour segment to go into depth. From the time a child is an infant, all through their life basically, they are tested, they are profiled. Trainers can create a psychological profile, and then they update it frequently.

Basically, they are trying to install in this child the ability to obey, loyalty to the group, and the ability to do their job within the group.

Now those jobs vary in complexity. You may have on one side a child trained to be a prostitute. On the other end you may have a child trained to become a governmental figure, which is a lot more complex programming.

But as long as the loyalty to the group is instilled, and that is the first and foremost programming always installed, then no matter what their eventual role is, they will remain loyal. And that becomes their first loyalty. Whatever nation, whatever their public role in life is, their first and foremost loyalty will be to the group, and to serve its goals - whether they know.

A lot of times, the goal is [also] to be able to help the child create that complete division between their day role and their night role. So a pleasant, charming, wonderful, kind person in the daytime could be an absolutely cold, ruthless person at night - or during the day, you know, it's also during the day they do it.

Then you may have a housewife with children who goes out and completes a courier job for the group. And no one would ever suspect her. Who is going to suspect [that] this lovely-looking little housewife with a baby in a car seat is actually carrying some valuable documents?

Again, the first and foremost other thing was to instill loyalty, and they want to discourage people from questioning orders. They really don't want you questioning that, and they want you to obey their directives. Should people show signs of not doing that, then they go on for tune-ups. Actually people are being programmed all through their life. We used to call them tune-ups. It's a lifelong process for members of the group.

GS: We have a minute here before our break, and we'll get back and get in depth into some of these areas. But what went wrong with you? I mean, the dropout rate probably is very low...

SV: Extremely low. (laughs)

GS: ...considering the number of, considering the training. But what went wrong with you? They somehow missed something.

SV: When I was very young I absolutely believed in the goals of [the group]. You never saw a more loyal group member. I thought that they were saving the world. I thought that we were doing a wonderful thing. But the older I got, I started to see the methods that were being used for so long, and that the ends do not justify the means. I became increasingly cynical, partly because I saw what I was doing to people. I was lying to them. I was manipulating them. I was telling them things that weren't true. I remember questioning this, thinking, "I was told lies as a child too, then. I was manipulated."

GS: Wow.

SV: And finally you start to question, as an adult, the things you were taught. (bumper music starts)

GS: Okay. We're going to take a break, Svali, we'll be back in three minutes on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

[commercial break - resume 8:27]

GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal. Svali, I wanted to ask you a question. Before we get into how you finally left the group, and what happened to you afterwards in your life now - tell us. You wrote an article that is very interesting - A Day in the Life of a Trainer for the Illuminati. Tell us what you went through in a normal day in your role at the Illuminati. Go ahead.

SV: Okay. Basically I would get up. At the time that I described in that article, I was teaching at a Christian school. And so I would get up, I would get my two children dressed and ready for school. Just like a normal mom, you know, go through the day, come home. We'd have little friends over and play, and stuff like that. Then, you know, have dinner. I was a good mom. I was your average American housewife - on the surface.

But underneath the surface, then my husband and I would remind each other on nights when there was a meeting. And then what we would do is when we would go to sleep, I had programming in place that would allow me to wake up within ten minutes of the specified time. If I knew there was a meeting that night, I would wake up ten minutes before it was time to get ready and go. A lot of times we would even go to bed with our clothes on. And I never really thought that was abnormal, you know?

GS: Mm hm.

SV: I thought everyone went to bed with their clothes on. I didn't even question it, you know, on nights when we had meetings. I thought, "Oh, it's warmer." (Laughs)

GS: Okay.

SV: And then we'd get up and go, and drive to the meeting. I was also very involved in Military in San Diego. In fact the group has a lot of military orientation. So on top I would take the kids to their area, there was an area where the kids would go and change. They had a room and we would have like baskets of clothes, and we would change our clothing. You'd pick out your clothing, it had your name on it, and put on your uniform. Or whatever you wore that night. The kids would wear these little miniature military uniforms.

Then they would go out and do their training exercises. They were learning how to march, how to shoot. All kids in the Illuminati, at least in that area, know how to take apart a gun, put it together and shoot with deadly accuracy by the age of eight years old. Martial arts, there's a lot of martial arts training. Sometimes I'd help supervise that, or fill in if there's a military trainer [who] was [absent]. Everyone had to be - there was a lot of cross training. But most of the time I supervised the training. I would be working on implementing programming, or what we'd call tuning up - reinforcing previously installed programming in adults.

At that point I was normally supervising the younger trainers. They would be doing it, and I would be there watching and making sure they did it correctly. Or I would be also evaluating whether - sometimes every once in a while we'd be working on something that was somewhat experimental, and then I would be taking a more active role, assessing the person's responses to the new protocol, recording it and if there was any difference between established parameters for that protocol or expected responses, I would be flagging that.

GS: Give me an example of someone you were working on. What... how would they be introduced, what would be the reason? Would they be military, what is, how does someone get sent to you?

SV: No, these were all members of the group!

GS: Oh, okay.

SV: Oh! I can tell you that in San Diego, twenty percent of the active members of the group were active military.

GS: Okay.

SV: Okay? And think of military intelligence. Think high-ranking officials, colonels, (laughs), commanders. My ex-husband was a lieutenant commander in the Navy, getting ready to become a commander, okay?

GS: All right.

SV: These are not stupid people.

GS: So you were basically working on the programming of the members involved.

SV: (crosstalk) Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah.

No, we didn't program people who were not members of the group. You CANNOT install significantly traumatic mind-control programming in a person who is not a member of the group.

GS: (crosstalk) Good.

SV: Now there are certain... what you can do is what we call passive programming, which is basically through media means. If someone's watching a television program, they go immediately into alpha state. Everyone in the group, even a baby in the group knows that, because these people are very much into behavioral psychology. That's a trance state, almost, a very relaxed state where messages can be implemented.

And that's why I very strongly suggest people be very careful about the TV shows they watch! That's all I will say about that.

But no, you cannot take an adult who is not a member of the group and do what we did to them. They would go psychotic, or they wouldn't survive it, probably. They wouldn't be able to psychologically handle it.

GS: Tell us some examples of what you were doing. Program techniques.

SV: (sighs) Sometimes, (sigh) it would involve, normally we would start with a hypnotic induction or even sometimes we would inject a medication. A lot of times especially young children have a lot of fear when they are going into programming, but adults do too. We want them to relax. We give them a very short-acting medication to relax them.

We would then invoke a hypnotic state in them. If it was an older person I would be checking that the codes are already installed. If I was getting ready to install programming in like a young child, I would tell them, explain to them very patiently exactly the behavior expected. I'd say, "I want you to do this, and this, and this." I break it up into steps. Then I'd say, "First we're going to practice this."

I would show the child what I want them to do - I would model it. I would then tell the child, "DO IT." The child would then do it, okay? But, normally they won't do it well the first time, so she would... she or he would get shocked. That was called, because the group very much uses what they call positive and negative reinforcement. Okay?

If a child did not do it perfectly the first time, they are shocked. That's the negative reinforcement.

Then I would say, "DO IT AGAIN." They would show me the behavior.

Now at this point we start associating the behavior with an external stimulus or cue, too. Now a lot of times a child... If this is a behavior, though, that we want associated with a specific code, the child will often then traumatize very heavily first, to create a fragmentation in their personality. Then the behavior and the associated cue are given.

You might hear a tone, like "ding ding ding." [I say,] "All right, I want you to do this." Ding ding ding. The child hears the tone, they get up and they do the behavior. Once they can perform it perfectly, they are rewarded with praise. Good job, or a hug. Children like hugs, or something like that.

Then you do it over, and over, and over. That's why trainers have to be very patient people. Because then maybe after the child has done it fifty times, then they hear the cue, they get up, [and] they do it. It's not even a conscious [decision]... it's reflexive. At that point it's considered installed.

For very, very important programming, I'm talking about like end-level assassin programming, because we did train people how to assassinate people, and that's a whole other topic I don't want to go into here...

GS: Okay.

SV: We would then do a ritual to seal the programming afterwards.

GS: (Final-sounding) Okay.

SV: Okay?

GS: Just something, I was looking at some of your articles. One was "Christmas in the Cult." Just to get off on a different subject here...

SV: Sure.

GS: You say this is quite different for you, when you were growing up, than it is for most children. Can you just kind of briefly tell us what you meant by that?

SV: Yeah, um... (sighs) I mean, we had trees and presents and things like that. But for most children, Christmas is just happy time, you know, lots of presents. But in the group, there are some very high ceremonies that are celebrated. Several times, in fact many times, I flew into Germany. And there, there wasn't a Santa Claus. They had a figure called Father Yule...

GS: (crosstalk) Mm hm.

SV: ...who represents Christmas there. But he is not the kind of benevolent Santa that you see here. This is a man with a golden scepter dressed in a white robe and a golden sash around.

I was once at the German Father's house, where there was a gathering with children and adults, and Father Yule was present. He raises the scepter and basically strikes down a child in front of everyone.

GS: (laughs in disbelief) Oh my God!

SV: I know!

GS: (shocked) He strikes down a CHILD? I just...

SV: I know. Yes. He struck down the child with his, his scepter. And that... that is not what you call a happy Christmas, you know?

GS: No. (sighs)

SV: And at the same time, yes, we did have a tree, you know, and fruitcake and all that, and decorate the house, but there is another side to Christmas. It's, it's...

GS: (in shock) You know, I'm just listening and I just can't believe, you know, we're, you know, we have leaders in our country that have probably gone through this kind of stuff. I mean, uh, it's just incredible, this group. I know they've been around for a long, long time, thousands of years, and gone through it, came here. George Washington was a 33 ^rd degree Mason...

SV: (crosstalk,) Oh, YEAH!

GS: ...and we go on. Uh, the quest... you know, I just, I want you to understand, just from my point of view, I just wonder how... you know, you write a story, "The End of the Illuminati." How do we get rid of these people? I know, you're out of it. You couldn't take it any more. You think we can inspire more mid-level people to just LEAVE, like you, so they have no one to DO this kind of INSIDIOUS... CRAZY... PROGRAMMING and lifestyle! What do you - what do you think?

SV: Well, I believe that, as strongly as a Christian, that it's a spiritual warfare as well as an emotional and psychological warfare. I believe that, by the grace of God.

But I will also say that when I was in the group, a lot of the members are not happy. You have people in the group that are there because they love it, because they believe in our goals, they are totally dedicated. But to be honest, a lot... I often knew as many people who would have left in a minute if they thought that they could get out, and make it.

GS: You know, about your husband, uh, just to break in and then go back into that. Do they marry you to somebody in the group, or is that forced on you?

SV: (crosstalk) Yeah. Yeah. No. In the group, the marriages are always arranged, in my experience. In my 38 years in the group, I never knew of a couple, in the Illuminati, that did not have an arranged marriage. It can't be...

GS: (crosstalk) You just mentioned a couple that I, I suspect. Clinton and uh, Bill and Hillary.

SV: Oh, well, YEAH! (Laughs)

GS: (Laughs)

SV: YES! Definite. Definite.

GS: Yes. Bill?

SV: Yeah.

GS: Go ahead.

SV: Yeah. A lot of times, these marriages are arranged for compatibility, but also for bloodlines - to bring the right bloodlines together.

GS: Okay, good. We're going to be back in three minutes. I want to continue this, and then we're going to get into Svali's life after the Illuminati, on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

[commercial break - resume 23:17]

GS: Okay, we're back on the Investigative Journal. I'm your host, Greg Szymanski. And let me tell you, as an interviewer, and someone who has researched the Illuminati for a long time... it started way back when, when I was a young reporter in Rome...

It's a whole different ballgame when you're actually talking to someone with experiences like this. It takes it out of that realm of what is quasi-fiction fact, into the realm of reality. It's - it's really shocking.

And, uh, I'll be honest with you. This is a story, uh, that folks, you have to listen to - because this is going on in our country. All the things you're seeing regarding our rights being taken away, the police state, the war in Iraq, 9/11 - all these things have to do with this powerful group.

Svali, you know, we're talking about mid-level people. Now we're going to talk about some of the lower-level people. I'm interested in who they are. But you said they weren't happy, but a lot of them probably stay because it's very... I mean, this is a... it's a very lucrative way to live, I imagine.

SV: Oh, yeah!

GS: ...families?

SV: Oh, yeah! That's the main thing, that's one of the factors that keeps people in. The reason more people don't leave is because leaving means giving up your husband, your children, your entire family on both sides, your money. And basically, for a lot of people, leaving the group means giving up everything, and starting out penniless and alone.

Not only that, but you're combating child programming to recontact, to go back, to be loyal, to be a good member.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: And I know many people have tried to leave and went back, because they just couldn't take it.

GS: Do you, uh, do you want to take a phone call right now? Break it up?

SV: Sure!

GS: Okay. Marilyn, in California. You're on the Investigative Journal. Marilyn?

Marilyn (ML): Yes, I've been a part of this. I lost part of it, I've been listening on the Internet. I didn't quite catch it. How did this woman become involved in this Illuminati training?

GS: Uh, go ahead, can you explain that, Svali?

SV: I was taught it from early childhood. I was mentored into it. Trainers in the group are mentored. You wok with older adults and they show you, and you are given increasing responsibility. And so by the time you are in your teens, you are basically doing adult training responsibilities. You've been taught for years.

ML: Your parents put you in it, or... ?

SV: Yes, they were members.

ML: Oh, I see, so it comes down through the parents - one parent to another.

SV: Yeah. Or from both.

ML: (shocked) Are they private SCHOOLS?

SV: Through what?

ML: Are these private SCHOOLS?

SV: Well, my children were schooled at private Christian schools. They were all Illuminati. (Laughs) Okay?

ML: (surprised, "Now I get it" voice tone) Oh, you're saying that the CHRISTIAN schools are Illuminati!!

SV: SOME of them are. Not all - but some.

ML: Yeah, obviously.

SV: No, no. The ones that my children in were, specifically. But no, there's a lot of good Christian schools that have nothing to do with the group, but some can be. Now I went to a public school, but what's interesting is, out of three public schools I went to as a young child, two burned down. (sadly): So there's no access to any school records.

ML: (completely shocked) I'll be DARNED.

GS: Marilyn, just to get you up to speed. You're born into this, then you're trained as a young child. You go through an induction ceremony in the Vatican. And this is going on with one to two percent of our population, according to Svali. Very serious, in all levels. Government, and everything else. Go ahead, Marilyn, do you have another question?

ML: Yeah. When you said the Vatican, now that is not a Christian religion, okay? Now I'm a Christian. Catholics is a Christian religion, we look at them as the precursor of the New World Religion. So...

GS: Well, you know, if I may just break in. I grew up a Catholic. I don't get involved in the splicing of the religions. I'm basically stating that when I started researching the Illuminati as a reporter in Rome, and I realized there was a bad portion of the Church, I looked at it. I had to deal with the evil and the good. So that's the way I reconciled it. The evil WITHIN the Catholic Church, at the high level of the Vatican , which seeps down into many, many areas. Go ahead.

ML: Okay, well I won't argue that point.

SV: (crosstalk) Now... Now... Now...

ML: I won't agree with it, but it sounds like you have become possibly Born AGAIN to get out of this? Would I be correct in that?

SV: Yes. Yes. Now I very much... Now first, I do want to say I am not slamming the Catholic Church or the average Catholic. I have many good friends that are Catholics, that are strong Christians. I became a Christian, and that was the only way I could get out. But just so you know, too, a lot of card-carrying Illuminists, well we don't really carry cards, but I'm using that term...

ML: Yes.

SV: ...are members of the Baptist church, are members of Pentecostal churches. It... This... I was on a worship team for a Wesleyan church in San Diego ... in my day life. Okay?

ML: Oo-kay. Uh, yeah. Very, very confused. I mean, I, uh, I think this is interesting. Many people say that the Catholic Church will be the forerunner of the New World Religion. There's some very good books out. In fact, I think you may have interviewed one of these men - the Grand Plan Design by John Daniels?

GS: Uh huh. 

ML: You remember that?

GS: Uh...

SV: But, but...

GS: Go ahead.

SV: The average Catholic has no idea of what's going on in the Vatican.

ML: Yeah, yeah. I think that's interesting that, that the average Catholic would not know what's going on. That's just my take on it. (laughs)

GS: Well, I'll tell you something. As an average Catholic going to Rome my first time in 1980, I didn't know what was going on, and I grew up as a Catholic, went to Notre Dame High School. It was quite a learning experience for me.

ML: I think the Catholics, when they find out how evil the church is, stay in it! I mean, they really... why would they want to stay in it? That's what bothers me. I know some good people who are like that. And I don't get it! (Laughs)

GS: Well, the only answer is... it doesn't... (bumper music starts) (laughs) I don't know. There are many Catholics who aren't actively practicing.

ML: Yeah. Thank you!

GS: But anyway, we'll leave that for another time. Thanks, Marilyn. We'll be back on the Investigative Journal in three minutes, with Svali.

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GS: Okay! Uh, you know, they're not going to get me. That's for sure. My house is anti-Illuminated. It's not going to happen, folks. Just to end that, Svali, before I get back to you, just to end that conversation we had with Marilyn about Catholicism. I look back at it, and I really thank my dad. And I do it in kind of a way, I'm just thinking about it now. I didn't know what the Church was about.

But you know, something strange did happen when I was young. My mom died, and I was ten years old. My brother was six months old at the time she died of leukemia. It was a very, very tragic affair - left my dad and me and my brother alone. And I remember my dad literally took a priest, a head Monsignor in our parish. And I won't even tell you where. Saint John Rebove (ph), right outside of Chicago.

This man came into our house, I'll never forget it. He said that he was going to put ME and my little BROTHER in an ORPHANAGE. My dad literally picked him up and threw him out the door! Literally.

SV: Wow.

GS: And from that point on, my dad never went back to church again. My brother never went to a Catholic school. I of course asked if I could finish, only because I had friends there. But you know, who knows what would have happened, you know, looking back on the craziness that goes on in the Church.

But anyway, Svali, you were talking about, uh, you know something? These people that are too... that do not want to get out because of the financial ties. But let's go back to when you were in the Illuminati. How did this happen? How did you finally leave? Tell us this whole story about you leaving the Illuminati. We haven't touched on that yet.

SV: Sure. Well, I do want to say one thing that I agree with Marilyn on. Without faith in God, I couldn't have done it. I became a Christian, and that was for me revolutionary. It made me question again more of what I was being taught, or had believed all my life. I, for the... I began to realize that what I was doing was wrong. I became increasingly cynical.

I also then started standing up to the head trainer in the county who despised me. He would do things that were just blatantly cruel for no reason whatsoever. I'd say, "You're wrong". Well, people don't like that. (Laughs)

He took it out on me in a lot of horrible ways. I finally made the decision to run. I ran to this... to another state, because I knew that my chances of getting out while still staying in that area with people I knew, surrounded by people who were in the group, was not going to be very good. So I went to another state.

GS: You had to leave your family and everything, right? 

SV: Everything. Well, my children were with their grandparents. At that point I thought that was better than them being with my husband. I was going to go get my kids. But my husband then called and he said, "I want to reunite with you." And I said, "Okay, that's wonderful." And I said, "But you have to get help. You have to get some treatment, because we can't go on. You've got to get out of the group." He said, "Okay. Help me get the kids and I'll meet you in a week."

So the day before, he called and said, "I'll be there tomorrow," blah blah blah. And so I was excited, thinking, "Oh, he's getting out, he's getting out, that's wonderful!" Instead, he went... he had gotten the kids several days before. He was lying to me, and I didn't know it. He had gone to a judge.

And the day that he was supposed to arrive, there was a knock on my door. It was a policeman serving me DIVORCE papers, and also a restraining order, saying that I could not come within a hundred yards of my husband or my children.

And at that point, I felt slightly punished (sigh) for leaving the group.

I fought that, and it... (sighs) I fought for four years with a court system that said things like this didn't occur, because my husband would go into court and say, "This woman is psychotic. She's making it all up. There's no way. Ha, ha, ha. This stuff doesn't happen in this day and age." And the judge would say, "You're right." Slam. Full custody to their father. And I had to have supervised visitation for four years with my own children, so that... because I was considered a kidnap risk.

Through a lot of prayer, I had my whole church praying for me here in Texas, and through Lambley Research and miracles, my children were finally allowed unsupervised visitation with me, after four years. During that time, I said to my daughter, who was fourteen, I said, "I want so badly for you to get out". And she looks at me, and she starts going...

(hyperventilating, extremely terrified): "Oh! You shouldn't have said that, Mom! You shouldn't have said that, Mom!" You know? She just... she just freaked out. She just totally lost it.

GS: Mm hm.

And I realized that it was her programming cycling, because she was just terrified. You know, she's like, (terrified, very rapid): "Why did you say that, why did you say that", and I said, "It's okay, it's okay, honey, calm down, calm."

And the following... she was just shaking and shaking. And then finally she said, "Well, I don't want to go back and get hurt." And then I said, "YOU DON'T HAVE TO."

And at that point I faced several prison sentences, but I called my ex and I said, "I will face... I will not let those children go back and get hurt again."

GS: Okay.

SV: And he flew out to get them, and he could have put me in prison at that time, because I was breaking the custody visitation. And you know how strong the courts are on that!

GS: Mm hm.

SV: And I said to him, "Please... Look." Because it was so nice. My daughter and son both said, "We don't want to go back, Dad. We don't want to get hurt. We don't want to do this anymore."

He looked at them, and he said, "I want to go think about it." He went home, and I was praying for him at the time.

And then that night he called me, and he said, (delirious, hyperventilating): "Oh my God. Oh my God." I said, "What is it?" He said, "We've gotta get out! We've gotta get out!" (Laughs) And I said, "YES! You do!" And then he said... and then he made the decision to get out.

At that point he went to a Notary Public. He gave me... he did a legal case document giving me full custody of my children. And then he said he was so sorry for, he put me through, the H, E, L, L he had put me through for years.

GS: Now, have you had any reprisals from people in the group since you were leaving, or any warnings?

SV: Yes.

GS: To keep quiet, or anything like that?

SV: (crosstalk) Yes. Oh, yeah! Oh... yeah, of course! There's one time when I did write one article that named some specific dates and times. I got hurt afterwards, and it made me very cautious. That's why I don't give a lot of radio interviews, and why I don't do a lot of this. That's one reason why...

GS: Well, I appreciate this, because you know, the number of people you're going to help, by... maybe, maybe waking up the American people to what is really going on. Sometimes you can wake up many more people by a person like you, than talking about a hundred million different generalities.

Let me take a call. Chris, in Washington, you're on the Investigative Journal.

CH: (calm, relaxed cadence): Hi. Svali, I just want to say how much I appreciate your bravery, in presenting this information in the way that you are. I've read your website recently. And my question is very simple. Based on the information that you're presenting, I'm wondering what timeline the organization of the larger Family that you're describing has for implementing the New World Order?

SV: Okay. I was told it would occur during my generation. I was told that by the year 2050 that they would be revealed. Now again, their timelines change, though. In fact, I jokingly referred to them as being like the Soviet Union, because you know how they had their five and ten year plans, and then things always got changed? In my own lifetime I saw several different timelines for things that were supposed to occur and change.

But as Greg noted, I've also heard of, from different people, that actually there is a HUGE push in the last few years. It's like, "It's CLOSE. It's CLOSE. Let's make things happen more quickly."

CH: Mm hm.

SV: So I couldn't begin to guess whether that's an accurate timeline or not. I know what I was told.

CH: I have a follow up question and that's it...

GS: Go ahead.

CH: ...and this will be it for me. I have recently, against my own resistance to doing so, investigated, started to investigate fringe matters, if you will. Among them, the upcoming date on the Mayan Calendar of 2012.

SV: Uh huh.

CH: And as I've done this research, I've allowed myself just to be open to this information without believing anything I'm reading. One of the ideas that is presenting itself is that around 2012, not just according to the Mayan Calendar but many other theories out there, that we will be undergoing, as a planet, a revolutionary shift, if you will, of some kind or another.

And I'm wondering in the back of my mind if there might be any kind of race against the clock on THAT scale, if you will - especially if we're talking about a potential spiritual warfare...

SV: Oh, yeah.

CH: ...using your words in play here. Do you see a possible relation there?

SV: Yes, I do. And, 2012 IS an important year. But again, I was not told that the final Revealing would occur then. But I believe that probably... what will happen is that there will be events taking place that will help to set the stage.

CH: Okay.

SV: But it's going to be... I was told... again, I'm telling you what I was told while a member of the group, so please take it with a grain of salt. As I know, these people aren't always honest or trustworthy - they are deceptive. But I was told that there would be an enormous economic collapse prior to the Revealing. That basically the stock market would destabilize.

CH: Well, that appears to be already happening.

SV: Yeah. Yeah. And I was told it would make the Great Depression look like Sunday school. And at that time, it's going to... they're going to really be manipulating finances to bring about chaos, confusion, warfare, and then...

But see, I don't like to be so negative. But I am telling you what I was taught when I was in the group, you know?

CH: Well, I so appreciate it.

SV: Yeah.

CH: And I'm sure we all do.

SV: Yeah. I...

CH: You're a great voice.

SV: Well, thank you! I appreciate that very much. But out of this chaos they said would come order. You see, the group believes that out of chaos comes order.

CH: Well, I don't want to take any more time...

GS: (crosstalk) Well, as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather, you know, let things... Svali, these guys want to bring down this country financially, in whatever way possible. And right now, your voice is important in that.

And Chris, I really appreciate you saying that, because we want to stop these guys! I mean, come on! Let's get the American people to get together and just put an end to this. We have a powerful group in numbers. We may not have the money, but we can take it back. And I don't want to be bullied by these kind of people. That's my feeling.

SV: Yeah.

GS: Let me take another call. Uh, Harper in Canada. Harper? Go ahead.

HP: Great, thanks Greg. And Svali, I read your expose when it came out on Suite101.com a few years ago, and I always wondered what happened to you, because you vanished from Suite 101. So it's great to hear about you. A couple quick questions, I'll make them real fast. First is the term Moriah Conquering Wind. I'd never heard that before or since I read it in your expose. I wondered if you could elaborate on that term a little bit.

I also wanted to ask you if this cult, as far as you know, claims to or believes to derive any of its heritage from Atlantis or any other lost civilization. Okay?

SV: I'm not sure about the reference to Moriah (pronounced like "Mariah" Carey) you're describing, because Moriah is... is our name.

But I certainly can address the second question. The Illuminati completely believe that Atlantis is real. They teach it to their children as part of the oral history. They believe that it was one of the greatest civilizations that ever existed, and one of the most advanced.

What they teach... their take on it is that Atlantis was a great race of highly intelligent people who had a highly advanced faith, and who were highly enlightened.

But what they teach the Illuminati children is that then this prophet of the enemy, who was a prophet of God, came and foretold their destruction if they didn't change their ways.

They were definitely Occultists. They were Luciferians on Atlantis. That was the religion. And in fact, a lot of the advances that Atlantis enjoyed was passed down to them through supernatural means... that is what I will say.

So they laughed at the prophet. In fact they killed him. And, he... I guess sometime afterward, we were taught that a few inhabitants escaped, but that tragically the great city was lost.

The Illuminati to this day mourn the loss of Atlantis, because they feel that these were... that the few survivors that left were among the great people who helped found the Free... what you would call the precursors of Illuminism.

HP: One more quick question, if I may.

GS: Go ahead.

HP: And I wanted to ask you if you have any reason to believe that people, men and/or women at the top of the pyramid, so to speak, practice a kind of magic where they are kind of skipping through time, in other words...