by Willem de Ridder

Extracted from Nexus Magazine

Volume 14, Number 6 (October - November 2007)
1996

from NexusMagazine Website

Part 1 of 2

The most incredible thing you could ever hear on radio is somebody claiming that you, the host, are not some extraneous being who is only there to turn your interviewee inside out. Most journalists are supposedly neutral. Yet they approach their subjects critically, trying to pin them down and exposing them to their lies or conspiracies. That is considered the task of a journalist. He cannot get involved personally. It is too dangerous.

So here I was interviewing an engineer from Belgium who specialized in control techniques. And he baffled me, telling me about the kind of knowledge he had developed. My body has a kind of steering system, he said - a system ensuring that I function perfectly; a system making sure that I am not some plant or animal but Willem de Ridder. It is a kind of computer or an instruction system.

I did not understand a thing of it, and I said,

"That is great! So you claim actually that you can give new instructions to this steering system and then my whole character will change - or at least have it remember its original state, before my parents began tinkering with it."

He said,

"Guaranteed. You know, when your character changes, your whole system alarms you through symptoms we call diseases. And as your character returns to its original state, the diseases disappear, too."

It made me smile. I did not believe it. And I thought,

"I'll get you."

I had asthma since I was two years old. Asthma is pretty hefty stuff. If you get an attack, you breathe like a man hanging from the gallows. You can barely catch air. You cannot lie down. You cannot move. You sit, needing all your attention for breathing. It makes you extremely tired. You cannot think. There is only one thing on your mind: surviving. That's all. And though no doctor says he can do anything about it, this man claims he can make it disappear, just like that. He says, "Yes. Guaranteed."

I say,

"Okay. Let's try it. We are doing this radio program, and a lot of people are listening. Why don't you try me out? If I get cured, everybody will know and you'll get a lot of people interested."

It was the first time he'd ever talked about these things on radio, he said. And lo and behold, I got some little white pills. I took them, one a day, for 28 days. It is two years ago now, and I have not had a single attack. In fact, I run up the stairs and am faster on my bicycle than anybody else. And indeed, I must agree, my character has changed, too.

Two years later, of course, his telephone is ringing off the hook. And now I am curious to know how he developed this remarkable knowledge, because the man is not a doctor. His name is Alfons Ven.

He lives somewhere in the Belgian Ardennes, away from everybody, but right now he sits next to me.

- Willem de Ridder

1996

http://www.willemderitter.com
 

Willem de Ridder: Alfons, welcome.

Alfons Ven: Good to be with you, Willem.

Willem: Since I told you about this incredible miracle, I discovered that many people have contacted you. All they really do is call you. You listen to them, you do not even have to look at them, and you send them these little white pills. That's all. Then things start to happen. How did you get involved in this, because originally you were an engineer?

Alfons: Yes. A control engineer. I was automating processes at refineries and all kinds of factories. I engineered control systems and I started them up. And one day, as I started one up, I was electrocuted.

Willem: Electrocuted?

Alfons: Electrocuted. Right. And it changed my life. I did not feel too much at all, so I thought it was not too bad. But 380 volts had crossed my heart and my brain. The following day, I began feeling kind of strange. I could not say exactly what I was feeling, but I felt strange. And the more this feeling progressed, the more I became estranged from myself. I became a stranger to myself. Engineers don't know anything about psychology or whatever, so I didn't know what was happening. I only knew that I was not functioning as I had.

 

To start up factories you must be in excellent condition. It is a heavy job. It is climbing towers, engineering, planning, ordering materials, installing, etc., etc. I began functioning worse and worse until I thought, "This has to stop." I didn't dare to climb any more, I didn't dare to drive a car any more. And I said, "This has to stop." I turned to a psychologist and then to a psychiatrist, and before I knew it I was in the hospital, where they gave me shots and I passed out.

Willem: So you worked in a factory. Someone turned on the main switch and you were electrocuted. You didn't die, you didn't have burns or...

Alfons: No, that was just it. As an electrical engineer I knew exactly what was going on. I had no burns so I said, "It's rather okay". But I started to feel strange.

Willem: Immediately?

Alfons: Yes. Pretty much so. Right after the incident I was dazzled. Then, in the first days, I took some aspirin and thought it would pass. Yet I felt worse and worse. I took some tranquillizers and hoped it would pass. Then I started taking drugs, and finally I found myself in the hands of a psychiatrist.

Willem: So you went to the psychiatrist and he gave you a shot.

Alfons: Yes, it was thirty years ago. And in Belgium, psychiatrists were, let us say, neurologists. They were just treating clinically. Without further notice, I got injections and faded out. I fell asleep. But the man did not examine me. I had problems with my heartbeat. I did not know that, either. But while I was asleep, those things became aggravated. And the doctor did not come to see me or ask,

"How are you doing?"

The minute I woke up a little bit, I got another injection. So I could not defend myself. I could not tell them,

"I feel terrible and I'm going to die."

I could not react. I was powerless. And the doctor did not come to my bed in eight days. So at the end of the week, I was really ready to die. And then, between shots, I gave my wife a sign to get me out of there. She was at my bedside and I said this was going completely wrong and she had to take me home. The doctor told her I couldn't be transported for even a mile.

Willem: You would die.

Alfons: Yes. So I kept making it clear to my wife to get me out of there because if I was going to die I wanted to die at home, not in the hospital which was such a terrible experience. The doctor kept saying, "No, he will die," and I kept insisting on being taken home. Finally I did get out, and the doctor said, "He's going to die in the car on the way home." We didn't live far from the hospital but he insisted that I would not make it. Anyway, we made it home.

I'd had experiences like getting out of my body. I saw myself lying down there. I saw the personnel of the clinic and I went into a light tunnel and had what they now call a "near death experience". Of course, thirty years ago nobody talked about that. So I thought I was the only person with such an experience. We hadn't taken any pills with us. So when I was home we just said, "Okay, from now on it is going to be like this." I had all kinds of hallucinations, delusions and such things. I found myself in the war, I found myself traveling in space.

Willem: So you practically found yourself dying in the universe.

Alfons: It was terrible. I thought, "Let me go; it is better to die than to be alive, because this is no way of living."

Willem: You gave up.

Alfons: I gave up. I wanted to go. But then, of course, the memories came. I saw my wife and children, and I knew I wanted to live for them. It was a struggle for life, and I was on the edge. I was going to make it or not. But the light game, as I called it, seeing things, rekindled my desire for life. I said, "I want to get well to take care of my wife and children." So I survived.

Willem: You did not take any medication, either?

Alfons: At first not. But then I said, "If I take nothing, I will certainly die, then it will be over and done with." And later, when life came back bit by bit, I had to take medication because of the delusions and hallucinations. I had to come down to earth again. Our family doctor, who was also a close friend, began treating me very gently with great doses of medicines and he made me survive.

 

Years later he told me that, as he began working on me, he was sure I was going to die. So, professionally, he was doing the best he could. But anyway, we made it. We survived. Of course, this changed my whole life. I found myself without a job. I couldn't work. I didn't know much of my existence. The estrangement came straight from myself. I felt strange to myself. I had an almost complete loss of identity.

Willem: You felt like a kind of vegetable.

Alfons: Almost; close; not complete, but almost. And of course, all the drugs they were pumping into me made me a kind of zombie.

Willem: You existed, yet you didn't exist.

Alfons: Right. This went on and on for many, many years; injections, living and not living, fears coming up, images coming up, and so on.
 

Journey into Homoeopathy

Alfons: Then, one day, a lady told me about a good homoeopath she knew. That was new, thirty years ago. Nobody talked about homoeopathy; at least, very few did. I lived in Antwerp and there was a homoeopath. The man had long waiting lists. But the homoeopath this lady knew was the president of the Homoeopathic Society and very good.

"The man is retired," she said, "but he can probably help you a little bit."

So I tried to contact him, but since he was retired there was no chance for me to reach him. His nurse kept telling me, "No appointment, no appointment." But I kept calling. And one day, when the nurse had the day off, his wife picked up the phone and she gave me an appointment right away,

"...because," she said, "this is a sad story and, though my husband is retired, I want to give you a chance. So much misery."

Willem: And no one else could help you.

Alfons: No. And I tried everything. As an engineer and scientist, I believed in science and regular medicine - those men are the best; they know what they are doing. So I went to see the homoeopath with little faith. I knew this wouldn't work. Homeopathic medicine is diluted. There is nothing in it. I knew all that. Yet I went and the man was very honest.

 

He checked me thoroughly and said,

"I cannot help you." He said, "Your problem is beyond my competence. All I can probably do with my homoeopathic medicine is make you feel a bit better."

And that's what he did. He gave me preparations and I got a bit, a tiny bit better. If you are real down, a little bit means a lot.

Willem: Yes, that's true.

Alfons: That's true, right. So I felt a bit better but he told me,

"It is not going to cure you; it is not really going to help you; it is just a little help."

I was grateful for the help. Then he told me,

"You are a very intelligent man and still alive. Maybe something else can help you, something like psychiatric homoeopathy, but nobody knows much about it."

This was completely new, certainly thirty years ago. There had been two French doctors in Lyons, France, and they had been experimenting with this psychiatric homoeopathy. Father and son.

 

They had had a small clinic where they treated these kinds of cases, and also drug addicts. They had had some kind of success. But all they had left was a manuscript. He said,

"If you need that kind of homoeopathy, try to find this manuscript and use it yourself. It is probably something."

But I was not in the condition to travel. Everything was too much. I had phobias and fears of traveling. I had no business traveling. But I kept pushing friends to help me, and finally I got the manuscript. I read it, tried things out and, again, made a little progress.

Willem: So, you started using it.

Alfons: I began using it according to their prescriptions. I couldn't go to the pharmacy myself, so I had people go and have this and that preparation made for me. Again, I made a little progress and I was very grateful.

 

I said,

"It is not what I expected from it, but it is better than nothing."

I still rejected the homoeopathic stuff. You see, as a scientist, I had to believe in it. Though I was not convinced, I saw results. So when my children got ill, I gave them homoeopathic remedies and they were cured. And before I knew it, people began consulting me because they had heard about me. They saw me making progress bit by bit, and they heard about all the things I was using.

 

They thought,

"If it is doing something for him, it might do something for me."

And soon I had in Antwerp the first therapeutic centre, which we called a kind of a biological centre, where we used applied homoeopathy administered by a regular doctor.

Willem: Because, of course, you weren't a doctor yourself.

Alfons: Right. He did the clinical side. He examined people. I had learned, if you do not examine people, if you do not approach them in a really professional way, sooner or later you are going to go wrong. With him being responsible for the clinical side, I had always a correct diagnosis, and I did the homoeopathic prescriptions myself. It was a fine combination. We had real success, yet Alfons himself was not much better. My quality of life had improved a bit because of the recognition I felt from the people I helped, but I was not really feeling good.

Willem: You were sick yourself, but you were helping other people.

Alfons: I was helping more and more people.

Willem: With some incredible results.

Alfons: Yes, the results were rather nice, remarkable even. We treated psychological problems and such things. At the time, I was also reading a lot of books and what I myself practiced was a technique called "direct counseling".

Willem: Direct counseling?

Alfons: Right. It means that within a few minutes of talking, the patient enters a kind of pipeline leading straight to the root of the problem. You do not beat around the bush but you say, "Here is your problem." And then there is no way back. That is direct counseling. Then you have two possibilities: either they know who they are, or they get cured-almost instantaneously. Direct counseling achieves healing results no psychiatrist will in thirty years. You come to the point and do not turn around. You nail the problem, and...

Willem: And once they recognize it...

Alfons: Recognizing the problem is 80 per cent of the cure. Because, once they know, they say, "Aha! Okay!"

Willem: If they do not recognize it, it gets worse.

Alfons: Normally they recognize the problem, but it depends on the person who does the counseling. Someone who cannot get to the heart of the matter probably has to come back. If he cannot get to it after two or three visits, he doesn't have to come back because either I cannot help him or he isn't willing to open himself up. But it worked really well. And I got assistance also from doctors and other people willing to help me.

Willem: So you were a sick doctor helping people.

Alfons: Yes. A sick man curing other people. And I could not help myself. I only got myself a little better under control. You see, at the time I had the centre I was not on normal drugs. I helped myself with homoeopathy which, of course, was much gentler and with fewer side effects. So there was progress on that part, but not too much on the level of identity and quality of life. I could not reach the deeper levels of my problem, the core where it all began.

Willem: Your character was out of whack, you might say.

Alfons: Yes.

Willem: You had lost your identity.

Alfons: Almost. I was estranged from my identity. I was like a stranger to myself.

Willem: A condition in which you cannot imagine your identity?

Alfons: Right. It is terrible. If at the time somebody had said,

"I'll break your arms and legs, and you will be well within eight weeks and you won't have any more problems," I'd have said, "Break them right away."

Without any hesitation I would have said, "Break them." Because I would have known that within eight weeks it would be gone. Whereas my prospect was: this lasts forever; it will never go away.
 

Exorcising "Demons"

Alfons: So as we were working on all these things, one day a couple stepped into my office and said, "We are here for our son." The son was six years old, and two psychiatrists had declared he was "possessed".

Willem: Two psychiatrists saying the boy was possessed. By what? By the devil?

Alfons: "Possessed" implies "by the devil".

Willem: Psychiatrists?

Alfons: Yes. And I had it checked. I told my doctor in charge of the clinical side,

"Check this story. I don't believe it. In this time and age, I don't believe a story like this. What's going on here?"

He called the two psychiatrists and they confirmed,

"Yes. We are doctors at the Catholic University and we have been taught that man exists of spirit, soul and body. The soul is our domain, but the spirit - as in this case - is for a minister or a priest. And we both aim for a priest. The boy is possessed."

I told the parents to bring in the boy. They came and, indeed, the boy climbed the curtains, tore everything down, smashed everything. At one moment he stood before me with wide-open eyes. His pupils did not react at all. I took a light from my drawer, shone it into his eyes and the pupils didn't even move. They stayed wide open. Light had no effect whatsoever.

Willem: Scary.

Alfons: I could have thought the devil was looking me straight in the eyes. It got me all chilly. It was terrifying. I told the parents, "Take your son home and I will think about it. This is new to me." I had never dealt with such a thing. I knew a priest who was officially ordained as an exorcist for the Catholic Church.

Willem: The Catholic Church has official exorcists?

Alfons: Yes. In fact, every priest is ordained to perform exorcism. They do not do it because it is so special. They leave that to the specialists. And the real men are instated by Rome.

Willem: So every Catholic country has its official exorcists?

Alfons: Two or three. Not many. They not only have a degree in divinity but also in psychology. They are the top of the bill. I do know that now, but at the time I knew nothing. They are experts in esoteric matters. In Rome there are fantastic libraries where you can read everything about every spiritual and esoteric subject. They are really well-trained people.

Anyway, I went to see him and I told him about the boy. And he asked me,

"What are you going to do?"

I told him about doing a kind of homoeopathic psychiatry at my centre. And he said, "Oh, interesting, interesting." He kept listening and listening, but he himself did not say a word about the topic.

 

And I said,

"We have now been talking for hours. You know all about me, and I know nothing about the way you look at possession or such things."

 

He said, "It is none of your business. We do not talk about it. It is taboo. Taboo. Do not talk about it."

 

I said, "Why did you have me come and talk to you?"

 

"Because I wanted to draw on you."

 

"Nice," I said, "nice. It was a long journey. Okay. I am going back to my office."

 

But he said, "No, let us make a deal. If you cannot calm down or heal the boy with your method... How long will it take you?"

 

"Fourteen days - it works or it doesn't," I said.

 

"Okay," he said, "call me in fourteen days. If it didn't work, I will come and deliver the boy my way."

 

"Okay," I said, "that's a deal."

So I went back to the centre, told the parents that I had made some inquiries and that we had two possibilities. They were Catholics, and I said,

"I have found this exorcist and he can do it. But I would rather do it myself. It is up to you."

They said, "You do it." I gave the boy some homoeopathic preparations, sent them home and told them to come back next week. They did. You should know that the boy acted strange not only in my office.

 

At home, he couldn't be left alone for one second - not on the toilet, not in bed. And when they left him alone for one second, he turned diabolic. He smashed and crashed everything. Terrible things. At night he did not sleep, except in the car, in the back seat of the car. The father and mother had to take turns driving all night to give the boy eight hours of sleep.

Willem: They had to drive the boy in the car, otherwise he wouldn't sleep?

Alfons: Right. It was the only way to give him some rest. And they had to avoid traffic lights, because when they stopped for a traffic light...

Willem: He woke up...

Alfons: ...he tore everything apart. So you understand the terror these people were living under-around-the-clock terror. Terror! Of course, he wouldn't be left alone with me, either. But after one week, he said, "I want to be alone with Mr Ven." So that was a change.

Willem: A big change indeed.

Alfons: I asked the parents to leave my office. Then the boy stood in front of me, cried and said,

"I have to tell you something. It is about this big, huge monster."

"What kind of a monster?"

"Well, it is on the cover of a book."

"Where is the book?"

Willem: So he saw a big monster.

Alfons: He saw a big monster, a terrible monster trying to eat him up and devour him and doing bad things to him. He said, "That's what I see and what I am so afraid of." He had been unable to confess this to psychiatrists or psychologists. He had kept it to himself. And now he confessed, and that in itself was his delivering.

"When did you first see the monster?"

"In the shopping mall. I was shopping with my mother, and I was a little boy of two or three."

His mother had parked him in his little trolley in front of a bookstand. And at the bookstand he had seen this monster on a cover. And there he had this terrible fear programmed into him, which he could not overcome. So I said to the mother,

"To clear your son's fears completely, go back to the same mall, go back to the same bookstand and give him a nice, nice book. Make sure it is a very nice book with a nice, lovely cover."

So she did, and one week later the boy went back to school.

But it is not the end of the story. I had forgotten all about the priest, this high-ranking clergyman. I did not call him. It was very busy at the centre and I forgot. The boy was fine. For me, that meant the end of the story. So the exorcist called and asked,

"How is the boy?"

I said, "Fine. He is back in school."

He said, "Impossible."

I said, "Why impossible?"

He said, "With everything you explained to me, it is not possible. I got a clear picture that the boy probably was possessed. How can you have him back in school with these little preparations? Can I come to see you this time and talk about it?"

I said, "Okay."

He came, and again we talked about my method of work - not his.

Willem: He didn't tell you anything.

Alfons: Nothing. But finally he said,

"I think you add something to your treatment. Without knowing it, you are performing a kind of ministry on the spiritual level, of which you are not aware."

 

I said, "Okay, let us put it to the test."

He said, "I'll bring somebody for you to heal or to deliver."

I said, "Fine; the centre is open to everybody."

He brought in a lady. And once more, I did my job. This lady, who for decades had been under the spell of some entity, was healed. And then he brought two persons, and four, and ten. It did not end. Then he said, "Alfons, I want to induct you into the spiritual world."

Willem: A Catholic priest said that?

Alfons: Yes. I said,

"Why me, because I'm not all that Catholic. I think very liberally about life. Why me?"

He said, "You may not know it, but you are very gifted, naturally gifted. And I want to teach you everything I know."

I considered it and did not say no. So he said,

"Go home and close up your centre."

He was asking a lot.

Willem: Why did you have to close your centre?

Alfons: He said,

"You have gifts. Gifts which you received gratis, you share gratis. I'll send people to you and you will have a ministry."

That's what happened. Of course, the people with whom I worked in the centre, the doctors, weren't happy. They said,

"Alfons, it is going great and now you are going off to do something else."

 

I said, "If it is true what the priest says, that I can achieve on a spiritual level something that nobody else can, or at least he can't, why shouldn't I do it? After all, better is better."

 

And I thought, "Probably my own problems are on a spiritual level. Who knows? So by learning a lot about these things, I can help myself a step further. Or I can say, 'It didn't help me at all.'"

And indeed, being aware of the spiritual world and all those things did not help me a bit.

Willem: What did you do? You traveled around with him?

Alfons: First he came with all these people to my centre when it was closed. Then he sent me people at home. And we traveled through Flanders and encountered all kinds of situations: poltergeist manifestations, various forms of possession, obsession and torment. We encountered all sorts of things, but always dramatic; nothing simple, everything extreme. And again and again, I took things he could not solve, and they got solved almost automatically.

Willem: But was he not able to help people, too?

Alfons: Sure. I saw him doing things such as praying over people. He laid hands on people, he delivered people who believed in his religion. I saw them changing. But after time, it all came back.

Willem: It was not permanent.

Alfons: Most of the time it was not permanent at all. For instance, the priest got people off drugs, but when he came back three months later they were back on drugs. Or people saying they had some entity in their house. He expelled them with his rituals and they were gone. But after a while it was worse.

 

And he said,

"With you it is different. They leave without rituals and do not return."

He knew right away this was something special, something new for him. But as we say in Flemish, you do not walk in a sack. Our activities had not gone unnoticed. The priest was notified by the cardinal, the highest Church authority in the country, not to deal with me any more because I did not profile myself as a Catholic. I was a kind of heretic. I think they were afraid of me; they obstructed because I did things they could not do. And that was not good for their business.

Willem: Right. So you were banned from the Church.

Alfons: Yes. The cardinal wrote a letter to the bishops, saying, "This is a heretic; do not deal with him or ask for his assistance." I was not supposed to know that I had secretly been excommunicated. They wanted to get rid of me. I was a nuisance because I did not turn people to Christianity or Catholicism.

Willem: You just cured them.

Alfons: Yes. I cured them, delivered them, helped them. Just like that, almost automatically. I could understand that I undermined the clergy's authority, at least that they felt that it was coming to that. The priest received strict orders to cut all ties with me. And so our ways parted.

Willem: And you had no more centre...

Alfons: No more centre; still not feeling good... Right. I was the great homoeopath of Antwerp. Everybody knew me. I cured people. I was the exorcist. I was everything. But I myself felt no improvement. I did not feel good. It is satisfying to help people, but I had asthma, I had allergies, I had heart problems. I had all kinds of problems. I had a lack of identity. Of course, being busy with matters spiritual and homeopathic, I became more and more aware how things are interconnected, how they coincide, how all coincides.
 

Alchemical Homoeopathy

Alfons: And while I was practicing all of this, a man came to me. He, too, had heard about me. His name was Jan. And Jan came to me with a spiritual problem. Jan was a member of the Rosicrucians.

"Alfons," he said, "I am highly initiated. But it is not a blessing. It is killing me. It drove my wife away and my children. It only brings misery and I want to get out from under it."

 

I said, "I know of other people who are Rosicrucians and do not have these problems."

 

"It is all a matter of initiation," he said. "Can you help me?"

 

I said, "Let me try."

Two, three months later he was "re-programmed" from his false beliefs and living a normal life again. I had never asked what his profession was. All I knew was his first name, Jan; John in English. And Jan asked me, "Can I do something in return?"

 

I am a pragmatic mind, I am an engineer, so I said,

"What are you? What can you do?"

He said, "What do you want from me?"

I said, "Well, I have this homoeopathic talent and this spiritual ministry. But the problem is that I am not getting better myself."

And then something struck me: the idea that if I could control myself, things would go better. Because, in fact, saying I am not completely myself is like saying I am not in control. So I told him,

"I have always been controlling things, factories, automation, everything. Control is my specialty. If I can control myself, I think I will make real progress and find myself again."

And he said, "This is complicated stuff."

We talked for a long time. And it turned out that he, too, was a fully qualified homoeopath. And not only that: he was also an alchemist. He told me,

"Those things you are talking about can never be achieved by homoeopathy."

He was also a PhD in chemistry - and a very brilliant one, for that matter. He had been a director of nuclear plants. A very keen man. And he said,

"As far as my knowledge of chemistry goes, it is not sufficient. I think alchemy can help you. That's what you need."

Willem: Alchemy. He knew about that, too.

Alfons: I said, "You know about that?" I thought my life had changed by hitting on the knowledge about possession. And here was someone with mediaeval talk about alchemy. But I listened intently. He said,

"Yes, I'm a doctor of chemistry and an alchemist, too. I have practiced it for many years and I have seen many nice things happen."

Willem: And as director of a nuclear plant, he could not be a nitwit.

Alfons: No. Later I learned that alchemists from all over the world meet once in a while. There were ten or twelve, all PhDs. They were doctors in physics or something else. Some had two or three doctorates. They weren't just anybody.

Willem: And practicing alchemy on the side.

Alfons: Yes. On the side. Jan had stopped his involvement in alchemy because of its esoteric side. He said, "Let us talk about it." And it was not just "let us talk about it". He stayed with me for almost five years. It was a long talk. Sometimes it was three or four in the morning when we stopped talking.

Willem: He lived in your house?

Alfons: Well, we had a little shack in the garden and that's where he lived and had his laboratory. So we lived separately on the same property. He told me a lot about the philosophy behind alchemy, particularly something fundamental to my present work with the VEN28 preparations.

 

He said,

"In all material matters we deal with spirit, soul and body. Let me give you an example: a glass of wine. We only see the liquid, the wine. It is the body which only came into being through fermentation of the grapes. Yet in the wine there are two subtle bodies which we do not see at all: spirit and soul. Everybody who can distill can get the spirit out. If you distill the alcohol out of the wine, you separate the spirit from the body."

Willem: That's why we call alcohol "spirits".

Alfons: In German it is Weingeist, spirit of the wine. In Dutch, "alchemy" is alscheikunde, Jan told me, which means "the art of separating all things". The first thing you do in alchemy is separate all things: spirit, soul and body. The body you can see readily, but you do not see the invisible things which determine the quality. You do not see the alcohol in the wine, which is the spirit. Neither do you see the soul which, too, contributes to the wine's quality.

Willem: So if the alcohol is the spirit, what is the soul?

Alfons: He gave an example. He showed that you may begin working on it only after the alcohol is separated from the liquid. The soul still is in the body. How do you get the soul out? It's a very complicated, refined procedure. You heat the wine very slowly, and you start working it with the four elements - earth, fire, air and water. This alchemic process takes a long time and it results in crystals which are so pure and white that the effect is dazzling. Really special. And that is the soul of the wine. So there they are: the invisible spirit and soul. And actually, it is these invisible things which control the visible.

This sounded very familiar to me. It seemed obvious. The invisible controls the visible. That is what happened when, as an engineer, I automated processes. In the early days, these processes used pneumatic technology, compressed air. You do not see the air, though it is pushing and moving things and opening valves - the invisible controlling the visible. Later, we got the now widely used electronic systems. Again, you do not see the electrons; you see the workings...

Willem: You perceive it is there, but you do not see it.

Alfons: If you put the plug in the socket, you do not see the power. Try to convince a child that there's something there. You may try as long as you can, but it sees nothing. It has to put something in the outlet to get a little shock. And not readily seeing the invisible doesn't mean the control is not there.

 

At the time I told myself,

"Now I have something to go by. This is my profession. Controlling things, pneumatically, electronically; telemetering used to be my job."

And I felt good about it. If I could get this invisible thing into me to control the visible, the physical, let us say, then I could do nice things. I could find myself again, get control again, get hold of my life, restart. And as an engineer I knew the formulas, the cybernetic correlations, the correlation techniques. In 1973, our family business was already building process computers. We used our own computers, so I was pretty good at things on that level. Now I thought if I could put control into myself, that would be a different story.

Willem: That would be different indeed.

Alfons: I knew I would be able to get back to myself and start functioning more and more optimally. We talked a lot about alchemy, Jan and I. He made preparations, I tried them on myself and did not really get any better. I'm not saying that alchemy is not effective. For some it does well, for others not. So it lacks systematic results.

Willem: You can't really rely on it.

Alfons: No, you can not trust it. And when you try to talk about it, you meet with resistance, people thinking, "Those alchemists are magic sorcerers." Anyway, it brought me to the crucial understanding that the invisible controls the visible - something I knew from my profession.

 

The question was,

"How can I transpose and take this invisible information into me so that it might control me?"

To make a long story short, I found the answer after many trials and errors. Trying this, trying that, I discovered how it works. And when I say "I discovered", I mean it is not new, it is not an invention, not even a finding. It is right there. It is a matter of picking it up. In order to pick something up, you have to be ready to pick it up.

 

You must be prepared and think about it, assimilate it, boost yourself up to the level of "I want to find it, I have to find it".
 

About the Interviewee

Alfons Ven was born in 1939 in Belgium. He is president of the non-profit Evolution Vision Foundation in The Netherlands which he founded in 1996. He maintains that everything that emanates from the invisible is controlled according to "the 12 aspects":

1. sound

2. space

3. fire

4. light

5. elements

6. matter

7. organisms

8. plants

9. animals

10. men

11. communication

12. order

He has developed his insights into a "cybernetic" health and lifestyle system, incorporating his 28-day "Ven-Cure" program. Mr Ven can be contacted by phone at +31 30 233 3188, by email at info@alfonsven.com or via his website, http://www.alfonsven.com.
 

About the Interviewer

Willem de Ridder is a renowned Dutch multimedia artist, storyteller and radio broadcaster. He recorded this interview with Alfons Ven in 1996. For more information, visit his website at http://www.willemderidder.com.
 

Editor's Note:

As president of a legal Dutch foundation, Evolution Vision, Alfons Ven works pro bono. He advises that the payment of 64 euros for a 28-day Ven-Cure covers the cost of subcontracting the practical work, and a small portion is invested in spreading the message. He conducts telephone and email consultations for free. A standard session by telephone takes 15 minutes.

Mr Ven states that most people require only one 28-day program to experience improvement. In the case of auto-immune disorders, he recommends two consecutive cures. He suggests that Ven-Cures be taken for the duration of any chemotherapy treatment. For constitutional disorders, he advises taking Ven-Cures twice a year. For terminal cases, Mr Ven provides special pellets for free, to help patients experience an optimum quality of life. He says that most mental problems are dramatically improved with one cure.

Every day, Mr Ven receives expressions of gratitude, but he is regarded by the Catholic Church as a persona non grata, by the medical world as a quack, and by the media as a crook. He was recently gagged by the Dutch Ministry of Health, which publicly attacked him and forced him to downgrade his website and revamp his product information at considerable cost to the foundation.

In early 2007, a Dutch national TV station, in cahoots with the Ministry and the cancer establishment, he maintains, presented an interview with him as if he were a charlatan, but Mr Vens has received many positive reactions and heartfelt support from users of his products.

Alfons Ven's mission statement reads:

"By means of the 28-day Ven-Cure, I want to give people a chance to evolve. To unlock their personality. Boost their awareness (identity-consciousness). Free their spirit. Restore their soul. Improve their health. The Ven-Cure offers possibilities on these five levels. It is not meant as a therapy per se, although the therapeutic effects are often amazing. Wonderful are the positive changes in life and the getting back on track."

Part 2 of 2

Extracted from Nexus Magazine

Volume 15, Number 1

(December 2007 - January 2008)

Musings on healing

Willem de Ridder: So you did not find it through alchemy or homoeopathy.

Alfons Ven: Those things gave fundamental ideas. Everything that exists, a molecule, an atom, exists of body, spirit and soul. Everything, from the minutest to the largest thing we can imagine, exists of body, spirit and soul. But the eye-opener was: the invisible controls the visible. Then I knew, "This is my profession!" What are we doing right now, for instance, recording this interview? We capture our voices on tape.

 

You cannot see them, you cannot grasp them, but actually they are going around in space. Invisibly. Our voices are being carried by the wires; we store them on tape without seeing how. All abstract, very abstract. We store the abstract onto a carrier and it reaches the listener as a reality. Wherever you are, listening to this interview, reading this transcript, you join the reality of Willem and myself.

 

This isn't magic; it is science. It is invisible, but not magic. Of course, classical science, which only occupies itself with materialistic ideas, has always had difficulties understanding this.

 

But every day we are handling things where the invisible controls the visible, the physical, the tangible.

Willem: These days, in medical science, there is more and more talk about the influence of convictions and ideas - that, in fact, more people die from the diagnosis than from the disease. If you learn that there is no hope, your entire immune system drops by 80 per cent. This idea that a conviction, or an idea, or a mentality, can make you sick is something at least pointing to the direction of the invisible controlling the visible. Because an idea is abstract. One cannot see it.

Alfons: But that is a misrepresentation of the idea. It is an exaggeration. Of course, convictions can kill you. Of course, a false interpretation of something leads you astray. But this should not be used as an escape. Take, for instance, the founder of homoeopathy, Samuel Hahnemann. He was a genius. Nobody will deny it: the man was a genius. The way he worked, organized and found things, he was a genius. Jan, the alchemist, is a genius.

 

But that in itself is meaningless. Hahnemann was in an alchemy school with Hufland, also a German. Hufland had all kinds of alchemist pupils around him, of whom Hahnemann was not the best in terms of healing. And because he was not capable of healing people with his alchemical preparations, he said to Hufland,

"It is all in the mind."

And Hufland said,

"Get out of my laboratory. If you cannot heal, be humble enough to say 'I can't', and go on searching. But do not blame it on the mind."

Willem: On the mind and the thoughts.
 

Alfons: And now we are making the same mistake with classical, regular medicine. If you talk to psychiatrists (which I do now, as they and all kinds of specialists collaborate with me), they all confirm that on a diagnostic level we can do fantastic things and we know exactly what is going on, but when it comes to the praxis we know almost nothing.
 

Willem: And what works is often a placebo.
 

Alfons: Which of course works because it is suggestion. So that now they say, "It is all suggestion". But they make the same mistake as Hahnemann. Because they are impotent, because they lack the power to heal, they say, "It is the mind". So a man gets a gigantic ulcer in the stomach. He is a trucker; a big, strong man.

 

When the cancer cannot be cured, the man suffers from depression because he has three or four children and says,

"I'm going to die. What about my wife and children?"

The situation turns into a vicious circle.

"You have the ulcer because you are depressed," they say.

There is no cure because they blame the cancer on a mental condition. Similar things can be seen in the New Age principles. It all comes from between the ears. Either it is mind over matter, or it stems from the spiritual - which is unrealistic.

Willem: At the most, it is part of it...

Alfons: It is part of it. I have not yet enough experience for a well-founded overview, but from the experience I have I would say 80 per cent stems from the physical, 10 per cent from the psychosomatic, and another small percentage from the spiritual. Of course, if you cannot determine which of the three is the cause, you are bound to mistreat people, like I was mistreated, like the six-year old boy who was mistreated, like so many people being mistreated.

Another example... A lady came into my office. For 25 years she'd been suffering from cyclic psychosis. What does that mean? She is talking to me normally, like we're talking right now, and then she says,

"Oh, an orange. I am Sissy, the Austrian Empress."

For half an hour she raps nonsense and then snaps out of it, just like that, and talks normally again. She has had that for 25 years, and for 15 years she was treated for psychosis, of course. I asked her,

"What happened 26 or 27 years ago?"

"Oh," she said, "I had this terrible ovaritis." Her ovaries were inflamed.

"And I was given antibiotics. And shortly after the inflammation ceased, I got psychosis."

What did I do in that case? I gave her a preparation.

 

The subtle form of the disease was still there - the spirit and the soul. She had not overcome the invisible disease that was bugging her. I was able to cure the subtle form of the disease. Four or five days after she began taking the preparation, she discharged terrible things.

 

And that was also the end of the psychosis.
 

 

Invisible controls the visible

Willem: So when the disease is gone physically, its spirit and soul can still linger.

Alfons: Yes. And normally they do, unless your own invisible forms, your subtle things, are in control. If they fail, you get all those chronic diseases, like your asthma which began as a kind of infection you had as a baby. Doctors push it out with whatever. At your time, the beginnings of antibiotics, they used antibiotics.

 

The body of the disease was broken up by the antibiotics, the white blood cells destroyed it, during which process its soul and spirit leaked. When the spirit and the soul get away, your own spirit and soul have to overcome the disease. Well, when they are not strong enough, they fail. And that's when you get asthma and all kinds of chronic diseases. You never feel good; you are always exhausted.

A renowned Dutch psychiatrist asked me to give a lecture in his clinic for doctors: thirty medical doctors, holistic doctors and psychiatrists. And I said,

"Let me do it my way for once, and let me administer my preparations. And just on the basis of treating these subtle forms of diseases, their invisible forms, their spirit and soul, I assure you (and this I'll write in black and white) that 60 per cent of your psychiatric patients will be going home after, or within, six months. The others will need a second look."

Willem: Again, the subtle forms which a traditional diagnosis will not detect...

Alfons: No, because they are invisible. Like you cannot see the alcohol or the crystals in the wine. The crystals aren't there. Only a long treatment brings them out. Just as in the blood. In the blood, too, crystals form because the blood is a stream, heat, a flow in which the subtle forms rub against each other. You see what I mean?

 

These alchemical processes are happening continuously in our blood and our body, setting free soul and spirit all the time, making sure that you overcome anomalies and diseases. If they fail, this may kill you, or the subtle, invisible forms of the disease make you sick. It is that easy. Let us take the virus [HIV] that causes AIDS. Take a cup of water impregnated with billions of AIDS viruses. One drop of chloride will kill them all. No more AIDS viruses?

 

No, it is not that easy, because the chloride kills nothing but the body.

Willem: And not the soul and spirit.

Alfons: Right. And not the soul and spirit. When the AIDS virus is inside a human body, it takes that body a long time to overcome the spirit and soul of the disease.

Willem: But how do you detect a leftover spirit and soul?

Alfons: Well, you tell me you have asthma, and as a child you had ringworm, which is a fungus, a kind of skin disease. I know the connection between them. While you suppress one, you can kindle the other. My preparation tackles the subtle form of the disease and your asthma disappears. As is the case with a lot of things.

 

Let me elaborate on the example of the wine.

 

If at least 60 per cent of all disease is based on these subtle forms of invisible diseases, then the remaining 40 per cent is related to conflicts, religious conflicts for instance, or you are being put down by your boss or your spouse, or you suffer from traumatic experiences such as a blow on the head or an electric shock, as I had. That is a traumatic experience. That traumatic experience or conflict will ingrain itself in your brain. Before it is ingrained, it is translated into a subtle form.

I have a very good example. Some people are poisoned by heavy metals. They are given oxidants and whatever to get it out of their system. Suppose the physical bodies of the metals have left your system and the subtle forms remain. You may become allergic, for instance, to nickel, to amalgams in your mouth such as your tooth fillings. You can't stand them.

 

So as long as you live with the subtle forms of these heavy metals, the energetic memory of the metals remains alive.

Willem: Could you say that only a minute part of the DNA, which is now widely studied, is visible?

Alfons: Three per cent.

Willem: Three per cent? And the rest which controls us completely is spirit and soul?

Alfons: About 97 per cent is invisible. And that controls the visible. And of course, you can cut into the DNA. Genetic manipulation is good. Let us say, a child has a certain disease. It is a specific number of genes. We cut them out, replace them by the correct genes, and the child will heal. Wonderful. No problem. This is science; it is good.

 

But does it do anything to the control?

Take the metabolism. There are three inputs and three outputs. The inputs are,

(1) the air you breathe,

(2) the food you eat, and then

(3) fields surrounding us: electricity, electromagnetic fields, the influence of the planets and stars, and so on.

These are the three inputs. Then there are three outputs.

(1) the combustion of air and food gives you energy;

(2) it provides rebuilding, and

(3) it produces waste, the toxins which have to be driven out, urine, faeces and sweat.

If your metabolism does not function well, you can take fruit and diets and food supplements for the rest of your life and you may still be in poor health if your control of the metabolism does not function properly.

Again, all inputs and outputs are coordinated by the control system. If you eat too much, your control system makes sure that the excess is sweated out or driven out in one way or other. Your pH level is controlled in minute ways by oxygen or carbon dioxide in your blood. Everything is controlled in the minutest amounts. It is the most fantastic control you can imagine.

 

All of it is invisible, like the pneumatics and the electronics; you do not see them at work, but it works.

Willem: Shouldn't your approach also work for animals and plants?

Alfons: I did not do much work on plants, but it has to work on plants. It works on everything. For animals it works very well. I did a lot of testing on cattle. I collaborated with a farmer and we got very rewarding results on cattle. Everything was done with my preparations and my method. No vaccinations, no antibiotics - nothing but my preparations. We started with the average cattle everybody has, and four years later the farmer had won all first prizes in Belgium with his cattle.

 

We managed the technique of treating embryos and re-implanting them. We were the first with real success in that area. It worked like magic. It works all the time. Soon cattle could be multiplied rapidly. Normally it takes generations and generations to get better cattle. We accomplished it in four years. All technically; all science.

Then, of course, the veterinarians come and say, "Let us work together", because it is something special. And I say, "I work only with this farmer, because I want to learn and show and experience that it works." It is hard to make suggestions to a cow or to give it placebos.

Willem: Neither does it work with little children...

Alfons: ...or people in coma, or people with Alzheimer's. You cannot fool them. People with Alzheimer's are greatly brought back to reality when they take my preparations. You see, so many beneficial applications are possible. Anyway, to continue my story, I did homoeopathy, I did alchemy, but I personally did not get really better. And that is the end of those chapters.

 

Then came the breakthrough...
 

Evolutionary aspects

Alfons: One day I had an extraordinary experience. Sitting at home, I was thinking of all these things, how they all interconnect, how it all relates to each other, how the invisible controls the visible, and how nice it would be if I could master that for the benefit of man. Thinking about that, I dozed off. I entered into a special state. And suddenly I began realizing things.

 

For instance, I realized that during the evolution of millions and millions of years, there was a time when plants were just procreating. They grew, they had offspring. And they had no enemies. Until, one day - and I am just giving a picture - an animal crawled out of the sea and ate the plant. Before it was eaten, the plant panicked.

 

So, the next time an animal crawled out of the sea, all plants around the spot of the eaten plant panicked.

"Oh, watch out! We are going to be eaten."

Then the principle of a superior order was shown to me: the super-controls, the master controls. (In control technology we have master control and slave control.) All master controls were putting invisible information into that plant to overcome those deadly fears. I, too, have those fears, all those phobias. And it was shown to me that by inducing the invisible, the master controls programmed this information into the plant.

 

And I thought,

"Wouldn't it be nice if I could get that invisible information out of the plant and take it for myself? Probably my fears would disappear. Or rather, I would get control over them."

Fears never disappear, but having control over them, that is another story. Right, Willem?

Willem: Absolutely.

Alfons: I got thrilled by the idea. But as an engineer I am pragmatic. I said,

"Okay, all well and good, but show me. Show me how to do it. I know about homoeopathic preparations, I know about alchemic preparations, and I know I am good enough for handling this kind of preparation."

And it was shown to me, in one way or another. And when I say "it was shown to me", I mean I realized how to do it. I did not say anything, I did not hear anything. I just realized how to do it.

Willem: No gods appearing, saying, "Alfons, I'll tell you how to do it."

Alfons: No! No messenger from heaven. No, just a realization, like "I'm going to do it this way". And what happened is, I tried it, I prepared it, I took it, and eight days later I had control over my fears. To a certain extent the fears were not gone, but I regained control. And I began gaining more and more control over myself.

 

The second thing I tackled was my asthma. Like you, I had asthma all my life, with a heavy attack every night. Again I took the subtle, invisible information, prepared it the way I had realized it, and my asthma disappeared within a few weeks - a lasting asthma, 30, 40 years. And then my heart problem. I had a valve which did not work properly. I had had a heart attack.

 

And again I was able to cure it. But then I realized that this "Evolution Vision" as you may call it - and it now is the name of my foundation - showed me more.

 

I said,

"Do not call people phobic any longer, but tell them, 'You have a problem with aspect plant. When you relate your emotional problem to evolution, it is on the level of plants.'"

Willem: Did evolution begin with a Big Bang or with fire?

Alfons: With sound. In the beginning was the Word. You read it in the scriptures, in the Vedas, everywhere. And it was shown to me that it was sound. I realized it. Sound, just like we are talking right now, needs space. Without space, sound cannot be transmitted. So the second aspect is space. And sound and space unite in a kind of mystic marriage which is the third aspect, fire. So we have sound, space and fire. And fire - if I say fire, you have to understand very well that it not only destroys but gives form as well.

 

The Sun, for instance, is fire which makes things grow. We are used to thinking in negative terms, but fire is not only destructive. If I see somebody with arthritis, his fingers all deformed and inflamed, I know we are going to stop the process because the fire inside him is out of control. You give him the information "fire" and the arthritis stops.

 

Whenever I see deformation or over-formation, I work with the aspect fire. To people with these phobias, you could of course say "It is mental". But it isn't. What you need is the information of a plant. It is your aspect plant. The plant inside you is out of control.

Willem: So we all have an aspect plant inside us?

Alfons: We have 12 evolutionary aspects inside us.

1. sound

2. space

3. fire

4. light

5. elements

6. matter

7. organisms

8. plant

9. animal

10. human

11. communication

12. planning

With elements, I mean the chemical elements of Mendeleyev's table.

Let us say you have all these people with hernia problems; their discs are damaged. I realized - I never say, "I found out" - that from the 100 elements of Mendeleyev's table, there is one catalyzer. If this catalyzer is not sufficiently available in your information, in a subtle form, the entire disc will break down. When you supply it, the process stops.

 

And I have seen the disc being rebuilt slowly but surely. So a lot of people with back problems come to me. I give them this catalyzer, of course in a subtle, invisible form. And it not only stops the destructive process but, if you take your time and continue taking the preparations, it helps rebuild the discs.
 

Restoring control

Willem: So people call you. Very quickly you know what is going on. You do not have to do research, you do not have to see them. It all happens by phone.

Alfons: I do an attunement, of course, to see whether the problem has a spiritual basis, a psychological or a psychosomatic. Or whether it is really physical. In that case, the doctor does the diagnosis; I don't. If the problem is physical, like rheumatism, the diagnosis is a physician's or rheumatologist's responsibility. They tell me. But beyond that, I can readily discern whether it is spiritual or psychological or psychosomatic. And there it stops for me.

Willem: So then you mail them little round pills; nothing chemical, no ordinary medicine...

Alfons: Right. The grains are made out of lactose. The information is brought into the lactose grains. They carry the information, like the carrier we have here - wires which carry the spoken information. To change information, whether visible or invisible, you need a carrier.

Willem: And then for one month, 28 days, they take these grains, one or more, and that's it.

Alfons: That's it.

Willem: And what happens when you give them this new information or different information?

Alfons: It restores control.

Willem: To the system?

Alfons: No, I am not even influencing the system. It is information to restore the control of the control system. It is like giving new information to the DNA. It enters through the aspect sound, it is transported into space, fire and all the other evolutionary aspects until it reaches the human aspect, which means the DNA. The 96 or 97 per cent of the information which clusters around the physical DNA receives new information. And you regain control.

Willem: And what are the implications of regaining control?

Alfons: Threefold: a lot of diseases and symptoms disappear - not all, but a lot. Even better is that, because the control information is rearranged, your life begins to work in a more perfect way. Your communication system is tuned up; you are attuned. There is a balanced inner communication between your cells and between your DNA. Along comes a balanced communication between you and me, between you and your surroundings, because those informations - and I weigh my words - are so super-intelligent that they can arrange circumstances, too.

Willem: Right.

Alfons: So your boss hates you, and you can never do anything right for him. You also cannot communicate with him because he is too gruff. He will never let you communicate. Then you take these pills and your communication system is upgraded. You control it, and this kind of information is shared with such people. So that all of a sudden, you walk up to him because you changed, your information system has been cleaned and you say, "I need to talk to you."

Willem: And he listens.

Alfons: He listens. And to your great surprise he says, "Oh, I'll give you a raise and a better position" - so even the circumstances are controlled. But there is more - and as you said at the beginning, Willem, this is the best of all. The intelligence of the preparations is so highly evolved that you are gently reconnected with your origin, with your authenticity, with the real you.

 

The first time I saw you, Willem, I told you,

"Not only do you have asthma, you have lack of space."

And now, two years later, you can bear witness to the space around you and the people around you...there is more space in your life.

Willem: Absolutely true. And I have seen something similar happening to my sister. She, too, had a very powerful asthma. And she designs stage costumes and never got paid what her work deserved. She was undervalued and she was unable to talk about it. Not only is her asthma gone now, but her whole character has changed. She asks higher fees, and she gets them. She is amazed by her inner power.

Alfons: I knew this homoeopath, one of the most renowned in Holland. He attended one of my lectures and said, "When I hear you talking, I want to stop practicing." He is more or less our age, about sixty. He devoted his life to homoeopathy; a real character. He never married, so he could devote himself to his profession.

 

And he said,

"When I hear you talking, I'd better stop."

I said, "You don't have to stop. Do things to the best of your possibilities. But let us make a deal. Let me come with you to screen your patients."

He is renowned for his results with cancer.

"Let us take one day to screen your patients together. Then I will do an evaluation."

We met 10 patients, most of them terminal, real heavy cases - cancer, leukemia, etcetera. And I tell you, he scored, of course, 10 out of 10 with the physical diagnosis. But nine times out of 10 he was wrong about the spiritual, psychosomatic or psychological part.

So, like I used to do, he was tampering with homoeopathy, but not really knowing in what way because he could not determine the invisible cause. And only by discerning those causes, by determining which aspect is at work - the aspect fire or plant, the psychosomatic or whatever - you are really able to cure.

Take children with learning problems; we have more and more of them. Most of them cannot switch between the left and right brain. They use either the emotional or the rational side. They cannot switch really well. So teachers say, "He is a lazy boy. He doesn't want to study." Not true!

 

If I restore the communication between the brain sides, they can learn like anybody else.

Willem: And people with sleeping problems, headaches, all these things...

Alfons: Well, with sleeping problems you must discern between the various causes of insomnia. Can't someone sleep because of spiritual anxiety? Is the anxiety spiritual or psychological? Is it stress anxiety that keeps someone awake? Then I determine which aspect I must work on. You cannot generalize. That's why, in most cases, people should call me personally so they can explain the problem and I can determine what is going on.

 

Sometimes it is spiritual anxiety, as with the boy who saw the monster in the shopping mall. In that case, the psychiatrist was right: it was spiritual. As soon as the boy was delivered from his fear, his soul was pure and good, and nothing psychological was wrong with him.

So you must discern what is going on. We live in a time in which more and more people are shopping around for New Age solutions, the spiritual challenge. Many are burning themselves. They are estranged from their inner selves. They want help.

 

I can give them preparations to boost them mentally, so that they may overcome the urge to move too fast in the spiritual, to overcompensate or to go entirely astray. Taking the overall look...

I don't know, Willem. If people would begin calling me right now just for asthma, I could make a 28-day standard cure for that problem. In my practice so far, there have been only a few cases of asthma which were psychological and not a subtle form of disease. It does exist. There again, if asthma is mental then it needs a psychological treatment.

 

But in 99 per cent of the cases, asthma is a subtle form of disease. So with a standard cure of 28 days, I think they will all get better. I am certain. And most everyone will get cured. If asthma is complicated by emphysema, it takes a long time to recuperate the lungs a little bit. That is not asthma but another problem. Children with dyslexia, learning problems, Down's syndrome and recently also autism have had breakthroughs after I gave them attunements and tune-ups.

 

They have another life, and it makes me really happy when I think about this.

Willem: The quality of their life improves.

Alfons: Exactly. And dyslexic children are no longer pushed aside by their peers who are brilliant and who excel. And then, of course, there is the predisposition leading to osteoporosis. The hormonal system has to be controlled. This entire glandular system is controlled by the invisible. And I know exactly what to do to control the hormonal system. We have women entering menopause.

 

A lot of them think,

"I am worth nothing. Why am I living?"

They are getting depressed. I give them a tune-up, restore the control of their hormonal system. And they revitalize and will not develop osteoporosis, either. This method covers so many areas.

 

As I said, 97 per cent is about invisible control and three per cent is physical.
 

Improving relationships and quality of life

Willem: In fact, since we did our first program together two years ago, hundreds and hundreds of people have been calling you.

Alfons: Thousands...

Willem: Thousands...and in most cases your method works.

Alfons: Yes. There are always people saying, "I took five of your cures and I feel nothing." I say, "Okay." But I know the attunement that has taken place: their control system has been balanced. And as you talk to them, they say, "Yes, I must admit that..."

 

And what follows usually relates to something on the spiritual or psychological level. They say, "I feel happier. If I have things to do, I do not wait any more, I do them right away." Or they say, "My relationship with my husband is better..."

Willem: I met a young boy who said,

"I took four of those cures of Alfons Ven, but the pimples on my face have not disappeared. Nothing happened."

I said, "Really? Nothing happened? How do you feel?"

"Oh, I am much less depressed than usual!"

Alfons: Yes, of course. Those are subtle interventions with subtle changes. But the subtle changes are the best, because they deal with the balance within yourself. The slogan I use is, "Choose yourself". There are all these women who were taught to live for their children and their husbands, forgetting all about themselves.

 

They even believe they are not allowed to choose themselves.

Willem: It is forbidden and bad.

Alfons: Right. They must always think about children. I tell them,

"Choose yourself. If you choose yourself in this system, you come close to your inner axis, to your inner self. You're going to radiate this to your children and you will notice and see the changes in your husband and children."

It works like that. And, of course, the Dutch are always clever; they call me and say,

"Okay, I heard you. I have a great career, I am top of the bill, my health is excellent, but..."

Alfons: The great but...

Alfons:

"...but my relationship...we've been married for 10 years, we cannot get children...and our relationship is fading away."

The man takes it seriously. Two months later, I get a phone call.

"Alfons, thank you. My life is golden again, our relationship is again a golden relationship."

You see, these are very subtle things, but the most important ones. You may have all the money in the world, enjoy the best health, and you can still be unhappy.

These preparations automatically provide a better quality of life. They make you progress. And best of all is the final phase, after all the progress has been achieved. We all come to the phase when we prepare ourselves to ascend. Then life must be good, too. A balanced life requires a balance between progress and ascension. You don't have to start with ascension early in life. That comes with age.

First you need progress, the feeling that you've made it, success. That needs good health. When that has been achieved, when you're 90 years old and you have a terminal disease, it is time for ascension. And then the beauty of these preparations reaches its fullest extent. In these final moments, the most powerful things happen.

 

They provoke the greatest gratitude. People thank me, send me letters of gratitude because of these final moments when even my preparations cannot bring any improvement in the terminal stage of a disease. But I assure them - and I weigh my words - I assure them top quality of life up to the very last moment, no matter the age or the disease. They bring in a man; he is on a stretcher. He cannot stand the slightest noise. He is on morphine; he has pain. Then he starts taking the preparations.

 

He comes back to life, he works a bit in his garden, he eats well, sleeps well, enjoys life. In the last 15 minutes of his life, he says, "Darling, it is time to say goodbye." Just like we are sitting here.

 

And 15 minutes later he is gone.

Willem: He is gone. Which we call natural death...

Alfons: Natural death.

Willem: ...which barely exists any more. Most people die of diseases.

Alfons: His wife calls me and says, "This has been the most beautiful experience of my life." No tears. "Of course I'm sorry he is gone, but I feel joy and happiness." I can tell stories that would make you cry your eyes out of their sockets; how people had messed up their life. A man could not die. He was in the hospital. His daughter gave him my preparations.

 

What happened?

 

He left the clinic. He didn't die but started making confessions. He had five daughters and with three of them he had had incest. They did not know that about each other but they hated each other. The man got time. First he confessed to the eldest daughter and in the end he reconciled with his children and his environment.

Three months later he went back to the clinic and, instead of raging and tearing all the tubes apart, he died peacefully. He slipped into a coma and was gone. The way he should. He was prepared. And yet, the best therapy may fail.

 

So people say,

"I took five of your cures and it failed."

I say, "Okay. It failed. The best therapy might fail, but your ascension will not fail."

Willem: Right. Wonderful, your healing method.

Alfons: Wonderful indeed. You experienced it, I experienced it and so many people with us.

Willem: You are not a wreck any more. You are quite a healthy doctor, though you are not a doctor.

Alfons: And I am not tired any more, and I work long days and late nights. I feel good. And the gratitude and joy overwhelm me again and again. When there is a minute during the day that I do not do something, it overwhelms me. It is as if my cup runs over all the time. And I see people holding their small cup under it and it fills up.

Willem: And now, people listening to this cassette or reading our interview are interested. They have asthma or cancer or autistic children or...

Alfons: ...whatever. People who want quality of life.

Willem: Or people who feel perfectly alright, but want to return to the origin of their character. Or improve the quality of their lives. What do they do?

Alfons: They should give me a call.

Willem: Just call you.

Alfons: A call or an email is good. Both are form, the aspect fire being the mystic relation of sound and space. The fact that somebody heard or read something about me is already a good contact. Text is form. A letter is formed and that is fire. Thoughts are form. Some boys get sick by just thinking about school.

Willem: I did not like school either, but that is pretty hefty.

Alfons: What complicated the matter is that his daddy taught mathematics at that school. The boy was twelve, all messed up, roaming the streets. His life was misery. Of course, they took him to psychologists and psychiatrists.

 

My son was going to the same college and he said,

"Dad, it is really bad. Can you talk to him?"

I said, "Yeah, send him in."

They were living in our neighborhood, French-speaking people. The boy was terribly intelligent. I could not fool him. I asked him if he had a girlfriend. He beat around the bush, his guard was up 100 per cent; a very intelligent boy. So we talked about all kinds of things and gradually I understood that his fear was based on being ridiculed.

So I said,

"I am not giving you pills right away. I have an exercise. First thing in the morning, you open your window and you say in a loud voice, 'I am not more than somebody else, I am not less than somebody else, I am myself.' And then you say your first name."

He looked at me and I said,

"You know why? You will always meet people who are more clever than you or not as bright as you; people who are stronger, and people who are weaker than you. So what is the lesson? You are yourself. You are nothing but yourself. So be happy with it."

He looked at me like,

"What is he talking about?"

"Do you want to go back to school?"

He said, "Yes."

I said, "Do your homework and come back next week."

Next week: "Well, what did you do?"

He said, "You know, Mr Ven, my two brothers share the same bedroom with me, so I did not speak out loud at the open window."

"Okay, do you want to go back to school?"

"Yes."

"Do your homework. See you next week."

Next week:

"I did open the window, but I was kind of whispering."

"No. Go back home and do your homework. I told you: loud and clear!"

This went on some more until he came back all beaming.

"Finally," he said, "I yelled it from the top of my lungs and I meant it: I am myself! I am Jean. I am Jean."

And he went back to school.

What happened is this: at first the sound was weak; the space was there. Then he caught the sound and the space but he missed the fire, the conviction. He did not give it form. And then I gave him preparations to make him mentally strong. He had to face his friends again and that needed mental strength. At last he opened up. He did the work all by himself.

 

He has finished his studies now and is doing great in life.
 

Super-intelligent information

Willem: If people call you, it doesn't matter from where...

Alfons: It does matter. They may call me in Dutch, in French, and in English. I understand German, but I speak almost nothing. So people can call me in either one of those three languages.

Willem: So they call the foundation in Belgium?

Alfons: They call the Evolution Vision Foundation. The international number is +32 61 512586. [Note: try +31 30 233 3188 if the other number doesn't work. Ed]

Willem: And then they get Alfons Ven personally, or your wife, Maria. And then, reader, you tell him about your situation and condition, and you hear what else he needs to know to customize your cure. You then get a few grains in the mail, enough for one month - nothing but lactose, little white grains.

Alfons: It is pure information. Earlier in this interview I called the information super-intelligent because it works on a super-level, where there is no more energy and no more vibration. Neither is there any limitation to time and space. That is why I call the information super-intelligent.

Willem: It is the territory where, once the information reaches it, no stone is left unturned. I have seen it with dozens of people now. All side-effects of any character change, which we call diseases and can be pretty severe, go away quickly. And once you discover that your character returns to its original power...

 

Wow! What an experience.

And I talk from experience. And I have witnessed many friends experiencing the same. Do not ask me if I understand it, because I do not understand a word of it. It sounds great, it sounds convincing, but I have no idea how it works. But understanding it isn't necessary, as long as it works.

In Holland there is an old saying: "Once you understand, you are old and grey." In Germany they say: "Once you understand, it is too late." We can spend an entire life trying to figure out why things work, but I'd rather have them work, even without understanding. You immediately feel in your own system when things work well for you - just as you feel very clearly when they don't. That's all.

Our control system is not somewhere outside us. It is inside us. And you know when your life works well, don't you? That might have something to do with a cause that cannot be detected by our most powerful microscope, and cannot be traced with X-rays or any other state-of-the-art technology we use to search the visible, material part. In fact, the material part is just a minute part of the real stuff, which is energy. Pure energy. You and me. There is no difference. Basically, we are one; isn't that so?

Alfons, thank you very much, and I look forward to our next talk.

Alfons: Thank you, Willem.