by David Hudson
This is a transcript of a lecture
by David Hudson in Portland, Oregon
on July 28, 1995
NEXUS Magazine, Nov., 1996
My name is David Hudson. Iím a
third generation native Phoenician from an old family in the
Phoenix area. We are an old family. We are very conservative. I come
from an ultra-conservative right wing background.
For those of you
who have heard of the John Birch Society, Barry Goldwater,
these ultra right- wing Rush Limbaugh conservatives; thatís the area
that I come from. Iím not saying whether it is right or wrong but
that is my background.
I had no concept that I would ever be doing what Iím doing right now
when I began this work. In 1975-76 I was very unhappy with the
banking system here in the United States. I was farming about 70
thousand acres in the Phoenix area in the Yuma valley. I was a very
large, materialistic person. I was farming this amount of ground.
had a forty man payroll every week. I had a four million line of
credit with the bank. I was driving Mercedes Benzís. I had a 15,000
square foot home. I was Mr. Material man.
In 1975 I was doing an analysis of natural products here in the area
where I was farming. You have to understand that in agriculture in
the state of Arizona we have a problem with sodium soil. This high
sodium soil, which looks like chocolate ice cream on the ground, is
just crunchy black. It crunches when you walk on it. Water will not
penetrate this soil. Water will not leach the sodium out of the
ground. Itís called black alkali.
What we were doing was going to the copper mines in the state of
Arizona and buying 93% sulfuric acid. For those of you who donít
know, the battery acid in your car is 40-60% acid. This was 93%
sulfuric acid; very, very high concentration. We were bringing in
truck and trailer loads of this sulfuric acid to my farm and I was
injecting thirty tons to the acre into the soil.
We were putting six inch ribbons on the ground that would penetrate
about three or four inches into the ground. When you irrigate
(nothing will grow in Arizona unless you irrigate) the ground would
actually froth and foam due to the action of the sulfuric acid. What
it did was convert the black alkali to white alkali, which was water
soluble. So within a year and a half to two years you would have a
field that could actually grow crops.
In the work that I was doing with these soils, it is very important
that you have a lot of calcium in the soil in the form of calcium
carbonate. The calcium carbonate would act as a buffer for all the
acid that was being put on the soil. If you donít have enough
calcium the acidity of the soil goes down, you get a pH of 4-4.5 and
it ties up all of your trace nutrients. When you plant your cotton
it will only get so tall then it wonít grow any more.
Itís very important when you are putting all of these amendments on
your soil that you understand what is in your soil: how much iron is
there, how much calcium is there and so on.
In doing the analysis of these natural products we were
coming across materials that no one seemed to be able to tell us
what they were. We began to trace this material and we found that it
seemed to come from a specific geological feature.
problem with this material was we felt that the area where it was in
greatest abundance would be the best place to study it.
We took the material into chemistry and we dissolved it and got a
solution that would be blood red. Yet when we precipitated this
material out chemically by using a reductant of powdered zinc
the material would come out as a black precipitant just like it was
supposed to be if it was a noble element. A noble element if you
chemically bring it out of the acid it wonít re-dissolve in the
So we precipitated this material out of the black and we took the
material and dried it. In the drying process we took a large
porcelain funnel called a Butiner funnel about this big it
had a filter paper on it. This material was about a quarter of an
inch thick on top of the filter paper. At that time I didnít have a
drying furnace or a drying oven so I just set it out in the Arizona
sunshine which was about 115 degrees at 5% humidity so it really
What happened was that after the material dried it exploded.
It exploded like no explosion I had ever seen in my life and Iíve
worked with a lot of explosive materials. There was no explosion and
there was no implosion. It was as if somebody had detonated about
fifty thousand flash bulbs all at one time just poof. All the
material was gone, the filter paper was gone and the funnel was
So I took a brand new pencil that had never been sharpened and stood
it on end next to the funnel and started drying another sample. When
the material detonated it burned the pencil about 30% in two but did
not knock the pencil over and all the sample was gone. So this was
not an explosion and was not an implosion. It was like a tremendous
release of light.
It was like you set that pencil beside a fire place and after about
20 minutes you saw it was smoking on one side and burning in two.
Thatís what the pencil looked like immediately after the flash. Now
this just had me baffled. What ever this stuff is itís wild. We
found that if we dried it out of the sunlight it didnít explode but
if we dried it in the sunlight it exploded.
So then we took some of the powder that was dried out of the
sunlight and we decided we were going to put it in what is called a
crucible reduction. A crucible reduction involves taking a crucible
(which is like a big drinking glass made out of porcelain) and you
mix your powder with lead and all this flux and all and you heat it
till the lead melts. What happens is the metals that are heavier
than lead stay in the lead and all of those that are lighter float
out. This is the basic premise of your fire assays which have been
done for hundreds of years.
Now supposedly gold and silver will stay in the lead
and all your other non heavy elements will come out of the lead.
This is the tried and true way of doing metals analysis. Well this
material settled to the bottom of the lead just like it was gold and
This material seemed to be denser than lead. When we poured
off the slag it would take everything but the noble elements, then
we poured off the lead and this material came off as a constituency
at the bottom of the molten lead. It was separated from it. Yet when
you take this material and put it on a bone ash cupel the lead soaks
into the cupel and it leaves your bead of gold and silver. Well we
did this and we got a bead that should have been gold and silver.
We took this bead for analysis to all the commercial laboratories
and they said Dave there is nothing but gold and
silver there. Except I could take that bead and set it on a
table and hit it with a hammer and it shattered like glass. Now
there is no known alloy of gold and silver that is not soft.
and silver dissolve in each other perfectly and they form solid
solutions and they are both very soft elements and so any alloy of
gold and silver if thatís all thatís there is going to be soft and
ductile. You can flatten it out and make a pancake out of it. Yet
this material shattered like glass. I said somethingís going on here
that we are not understanding. Something unusual is happening.
So what we did is we took these beads of gold and silver and
separated them chemically with the gold and silver out. What we had
left is a whole bunch of black stuff. When I took this black
stuff to the commercial laboratories they told me that it was
iron, silica and aluminum. I said this canít be iron, silica and
aluminum. First of all you canít dissolve it in any acids or any
bases once it is totally dry. It doesnít dissolve in fuming sulfuric
acid, it doesnít dissolve in sulfuric nitric acid, it doesnít
dissolve in hydrochloric nitric acid.
Even this dissolves gold yet
it wonít dissolve this black stuff. I thought this material is
really strange. It just has to have an explanation. No one could
tell me what it was.
Basically I went to Cornell University. I said we are just
going to have to throw some money at this problem. So I went and
hired a Ph.D. at Cornell who considered himself an expert on
precious elements. I suspected we were dealing with precious
elements. I said I want to know what this is. I paid him to come out
He looked at the problem.
He said "we have a machine back at
Cornell that can analyze down to parts per billion".
He said "you let me take this
material back to Cornell and Iíll tell you exactly what you
Unless it is chlorine, bromine or one of
the lighter elements, then we canít analyze it. But if it is
anything above iron we will find it. When he got back there he told
me it was iron silica aluminum.
I said "look doctor do you have a
chemistry laboratory around here we could borrow?"
He said "yes." I said "letís go to
the chemistry laboratory."
We worked in the chemistry laboratory
all the rest of that day and we were able to remove all the silica,
all the iron and all the aluminum.
We still had 98% of the sample
and that was pure nothing.
I said "look I can hold this in my
hand, I can weigh it, I can performs chemistries with it".
"I said that is something".
"I know that is something."
"It is not nothing."
He said "the absorption or emissions spectrum does not agree
with anything we have programmed into our instrument."
I said "well that is something and
Iím going to find out what."
And he said "Mr. Hudson why donít
you give us a $350,000 dollar grant and weíll put graduate
students to looking into it."
Well I had already paid this man about
$22,000 because he claimed he could analyze anything and he hadnít.
He didnít offer to pay any of my money back. I said,
"sir, I donít know what you pay the
people around here but we pay minimum wage on the farm where I
work and I can get a lot more out of $350,000 than you can."
"So Iím going to go back and do the
I came back to Phoenix totally
disillusioned with academia. I was not impressed with the Ph.Dís.
was not impressed with the people I had paid money to. I found out
that it is just a big system where they worked the graduate students
to generate paper but they never say anything but the government
pays them for every paper they write so they get their money based
on the number of papers they turned out. They all say the same thing
they just re-word it and turn out another paper. It really is
disillusioning when you find out what academia is doing right now.
Fortunately I asked around the Phoenix area and I found out about a
man who was a spectroscopist. He had been trained in West Germany at
the institute for spectroscopy. He had been the senior technician
for Lab Test company in Los Angeles which builds spectroscopic
equipment. Heís the man who blue printed them, designed them,
constructed them then took them to the field and then made them
work. I said hereís a good man. This is not just a technician. Here
is a man who knows how the machine works.
I went to him with a Soviet book that the fire assay man had given
me. It was called The Analytical Chemistry of the Platinum Group
Elements by Ginsberg. It was published by the Soviet
Academy of Sciences. In this book, according to the Soviets, you had
to do a 300 second burn on these elements to read them.
Now for those of you who have never done spectroscopy it involves
taking a carbon electrode that is cupped at the top. You put the
powder on that electrode and you bring the other electrode down
above it and you strike an arc. In about fifteen seconds the carbon
at this high temperature burns away and the electrodeís gone and
your sampleís gone.
So all the laboratories in this country are
doing fifteen second burns and giving you the results. According to
the Soviet Academy of Sciences the boiling temperature of
water is to the boiling temperature of iron just like the boiling
temperature of iron is to the boiling temperature of these elements.
As you know from driving a car as long as there is water in the
motor of your car the temperature of that car engine will never
hotter than the boiling temperature of water until all the water is
gone. If you just heated the water on the stove in a pan you know
that pan never gets hotter than the boiling temperature of the water
till all the water is gone. Once all the water is gone the
temperature skyrockets really fast.
As long as there is iron there the temperature of the sample can
never get hotter than the boiling temperature of the iron until all
of the iron is gone so you can then heat this stuff. Now this is
hard to fathom how something with as high a boiling temperature as
iron could be just like water to these elements but it is. So
literally we had to design and build an excitation chamber where
argon gas could be put around this electrode so than no oxygen or
air could get in to the carbon electrode and we could burn it not
for fifteen seconds but for three hundred seconds. According to the
Soviet Academy of Sciences this is the length of time we have
to burn the sample.
We set up, we got the [PK blenders?], we got the standards, we
modified the machine, we did all the analysis for results, we did
all the spectral lines on this three and a half meter instrument.
Thatís the spec for how big the prism is which opens up the line
spectrum. For those of you who donít know, most universities have a
one point five meter instrument.
This is a three and a half meter
instrument. A huge machine. It took up the whole garage area. It was
about thirty feet long and about eight or nine feet high.
Anyway when we ran this material during the first fifteen seconds we
got iron, silica, aluminum, little traces of calcium, sodium maybe a
little titanium now and then and then it goes quiet and nothing
reads. So at the end of fifteen seconds you are getting nothing.
Twenty seconds, twenty five seconds, thirty seconds, thirty five
seconds, forty seconds still got nothing.
Forty five seconds, fifty
seconds, fifty five seconds, sixty seconds, sixty five seconds but
if you look in through the colored glass sitting there on the carbon
electrode is this little ball of white material. Thereís still
something in there.
At seventy seconds, exactly when the Soviet Academy of Science
said it would read, palladium begins to read. And after the
palladium platinum begins to read. And after the platinum I think it
was rhodium begins to read.
After rhodium ruthenium begins to
read. After ruthenium then iridium begins to read and after the
iridium osmium begins to read.
Now if youíre like me I didnít know what these elements were. I had
heard of platinum, platinum jewelry, but what are these other
elements. Well there are six platinum group elements in the periodic
table not just platinum. They didnít find out about them at the same
time so they have been added one at a time. They are all elements
just like iron, cobalt and nickel are three
different elements ruthenium, rhodium and palladium are light
platinums and osmium, iridium and platinum are the heavy platinums.
Well we came to find out that rhodium was selling for about
three thousand dollars per ounce. Gold sells for about four
hundred dollars an ounce. Iridium sells for about eight
hundred dollars an ounce and ruthenium sells for one hundred
and fifty dollars an ounce.
Then you say gee these are important materials arenít they. They are
important materials because in the world the best known deposit is
now being mined in South Africa. In this deposit you have to
go a half mile into the ground and mine an 18 inch seam of this
stuff. When you bring it out it contains one third of one ounce per
ton of all the precious elements.
Our analysis, which we ran for two and a half years and we checked
over and over; we checked every spectral line, we checked every
potential on interference, we checked every aspect of this. We
created apples and apples, oranges and oranges, bananas and bananas.
We wanted exact matches.
When we were finished the man was able to do quantitative analysis
and he said,
"Dave, you have six to eight ounces
per ton of palladium, twelve to thirteen ounces per ton of
platinum, one hundred fifty ounces per ton of osmium, two
hundred fifty ounces per ton of ruthenium, six hundred ounces
per ton of iridium, and eight hundred ounces per ton of rhodium.
Or a total of about 2400 ounces per ton when the best known
deposit in the world is one third of one ounce per ton.
As you can see this work wasnít an
indicator that these elements were there; these elements were there
and they were there in boucoups amounts. They were saying hey
stupid man pay attention we are trying to show you something.
If they had been there in little amounts I probably would have
contended with this. But they were there in such huge amounts I said
golly, how can they be there in these quantities and no one knew it.
Now you keep in mind, it wasnít one spectral analysis it was two and
a half years of spectral analysis running this material every day.
And the man actually sent me away when they read because he couldnít
believe it either. And he worked on it another two months before he
called me up and apologized to me and he said "Dave you are right."
That is how skeptical he was about it. He couldnít apologize to me.
He is a German researcher with German pride so he had his wife call
and apologize to me.
He was so impressed that he went back to Germany to the
Institute of Spectroscopy. He was actually written up in the
spectroscopic journals as having proven the existence of these
elements in the Southwestern United States in natural materials.
Itís not journals that you would ever read but I actually saw the
journals, he was written up.
They had no idea where this stuff was coming from, how we were
producing it, what concentrations we had gone through or anything,
they just had analyzed this small amount of powder. The crazy thing
about it is, all we had done is remove the silica and sent the other
stuff in. It was pretty unbelievable numbers. After we had come at
this in every way we know how, to disprove it, I decided all we have
to do is throw money at this problem because money solves
So at 69 seconds I stopped the burn. I let the machine cool down and
I took a pocket knife and dug that little bead out of the top of the
electrode. When you shut off the arc it sort of absorbs down into
the carbon and you have to dig down into the carbon to get it out;
this little bead of metal.
So I sent this little bead of metal over to Harlow Laboratories
in London. They made a precious metals analysis on this bead. I get
the report back "no precious element detected". Now this was one
second before the palladium was supposed to start leaving.
Yet according to neutron activation, which analyzes the nucleus
itself, there were no precious elements detected.
This made absolutely no sense at all. There had to be an explanation
Either this material was converted to another element or itís
in a form that we donít understand yet. So I decided that I just had
to get more information on it. I went to a Ph.D. analytical chemist,
a man who was trained at separating and purifying individual
elements out of unknown material. He was trained at Iowa State
University and he had a Ph.D. in metal separation systems. Heís the
man that Motorola and Sperry used in the state of Arizona to handle
their waste water problems.
He has worked with every element on the periodic table with the
exception of four. He has worked with all the rare earths, he has
worked with all the man made elements. He has physically separated
everything on the periodic table with the exception of four
elements. Coincidentally I came to him to have him separate six
Four of those were the elements he had never worked on. He
"you know Mr. Hudson, I have
heard this story before. All my life, and Iím a native Arizonan
too, I have heard this story about these precious elements. I am
very impressed with the way you have gone about this: with the
systematic way you have approached it. I cannot accept any money
because if I accept money from you I have to write you a written
All I have to sell is my reputation. All I have to sell is my
credibility. Iím a certified expert witness in the state of
Arizona in metallurgical separation systems.
"Dave I will work for you at no
charge until I can show you where you are wrong."
"When I can tell you where you are
wrong Iíll give you a written report."
"Then you will pay me sixty dollars
an hour for the time I spent."
This would have come to about twelve to
fifteen thousand dollars.
If this gets rid of the curse; if this
just gets the thing answered once and for all itís worth it. It was
for me at the time. Do it, get on with it.
Well, three years later he said "I can tell you it is not any of the
other elements on the periodic table. We are educated; we are taught
to do the chemical separation of the material and then send it for
The example I use is rhodium because it has a very unique color to
the chloride solution. It is a cranberry color almost like the color
of grape juice. There is no other element that produces the same
color in chloride solution. When my rhodium was separated from all
the other elements it produced that color of chloride.
procedure you do to separate the material out is to neutralize the
acid solution and it precipitates out of solution as a red brown
dioxide. That is heated under a controlled atmosphere to 800 degrees
for an hour and that creates the anhydrous dioxide. Then you hydro
reduce that under a controlled atmosphere to get the element and
then you anneal away the excess hydrogen.
So when we did that, we neutralized the acid solution and
precipitated it out as a red-brown dioxide. Which is the color it is
supposed to precipitate. Then we filtered that out.
We heated it
under oxygen for an hour in a tube furnace then we hydro-reduced it
to this gray-white powder: exactly the color rhodium should be as an
element. Then we heated it up to 1400 degrees under argon to anneal
away the material and it turned snow white.
Now this wasnít expected. This just isnít what is supposed to
happen. So what John did was he said
"Dave, Iím going to heat it to the
anhydrous dioxide, Iím going to cool it down. Iím going to take
one third of the sample and put it in a sealed vial. Iím going
to put the rest of the sample back in the tube furnace and heat
it up under oxygen, cool it back down, purge it with inert gas,
heat it back up under hydrogen to reduce away the oxides and the
hydrogen reacts with oxygen forming water and cleans the metal.
Iíll cool that down to the gray-white powder. Iíll take half of
that and put it in another sealed vial. Iíll take the rest of
the powder and put it back in the furnace. Iím going to oxidize
it, and hydro-reduce it and anneal it to the white powder.
I will put it into a vial and send all three vials to Pacific
Spectrochem over in Los Angeles, one of the best
spectroscopic firms in the U.S.
The first analysis comes back. The
red-brown dioxide is iron oxide.
The next material comes back;
silica and aluminum. No iron present. Now just putting hydrogen on
the iron oxide has made the iron quit being iron and now it has
become silica and aluminum. Now this was a big sample. We just made
the iron turn into silica and aluminum. The snow white annealed
sample was analyzed as calcium and silica.
did the aluminum go? John said,
"Dave my life was so simple before I
He said "this makes absolutely no
sense at all."
He said "what what you are working
with is going to cause them to re-write physics books to
re-write chemistry books and come to a complete new
John gave me his bill, it was a
hundred and thirty thousand dollars which I paid. But he said
"Dave, I have separated physically
and I have checked it chemically fifty different ways and you
have four to six ounces per ton of palladium, twelve to fourteen
ounces per ton of platinum, a hundred fifty ounces per ton of
osmium, two hundred fifty ounces per ton of ruthenium, six
hundred ounces per ton of iridium, and eight hundred ounces per
ton of osmium.
The exact same numbers that the
spectroscopist had told me were there. It was such an incredible
number that John said
"Dave, Iíve got to go to the natural
place where this stuff comes from and Iíve got to take my own
So he went up and actually walked the
property and took his own samples, put it in a bag, brought them
back to the laboratory, pulverized the entire sample and then
started doing the analysis on what is called the master blend sample
which represented the whole geology and he got the same numbers.
We worked on this from 1983 until 1989.
One Ph.D. chemist, three
master chemists, two technicians working full time. Using the Soviet
Academy of Sciences, the U.S. Bureau of Standards-Weights and
Measures information as a starting point we literally learned how to
do qualitative and quantitative separations of all of these
We learned how to take commercial standards and make them
disappear. We learned how to buy rhodium tri-chloride from
Johnson, Mathew & Ingelhardt as the metal and we learned how to
break all the metal-metal bonding until it literally was a red
solution but no rhodium detectable. And it was nothing but pure
rhodium from Johnson, Mathew & Ingelhardt.
We learned how to do this with iridium, we learned how to do
it with gold, we learned how to do it with osmium, we
learned how to do it with ruthenium. And what we found when
we actually purchased a machine called high pressure liquid
And for your information this person named John [Sycapose?]
was the man who actually wrote his Ph.D. thesis at Iowa State
University on how to build this instrument. He conceptualized
building this instrument back in 1963-64.
After he graduated some of the graduate students there took that
technology and developed it and eventually Dow Chemical came
in and bought it. Dow went ahead and commercialized it and now it is
the most sophisticated chemical separation that the world has. Itís
computer controlled, all high pressure and you can do very precise
separations with it. Because this is the man who conceptualized,
designed it, told them what the limitations would be, eventually, on
it he was the ideal man to take the technology and perfect it.
So we were able to use their basic technology and develop a
separation system for taking the rhodium tri-chloride (we actually
separated five different species in the commercial rhodium
tri-chloride). What this is all about is the word "metal" is
like the word "army". You canít have a one man army. The word metal
refers to a conglomerate material. It has certain properties,
electrical conductivity, heat conduction and all these other aspects
When you dissolve the metals in acid you get a solution that is
clear without solids. You assume itís a free ion but when you are
dealing with Nobel elements itís still not a free ion, itís still
what is called cluster chemistry.
Back since the 1950ís there has been a whole area of research in
colleges called cluster chemistry; catalytic materials. But what
happens is the metal- metal bonds are still retained by the
material. So if you buy rhodium tri- chloride from Johnson,
Matthew and Engelhardt you are actually getting Rh12
Cl36 or Rh15 Cl45. You really
arenít getting RhCl3.
There is a difference between the
metal-metal bonding material and the free ion. And so what you are
buying when you buy it is cluster chemistry; you are not getting
When you put it in for analytical instrumentation to analyze it, it
is actually analyzing the metal-metal bonds of the cluster. It is
not really analyzing the free ions.
I heard that General Electric was building fuel cells using
rhodium and iridium. So I made contacts with their
fuel cell people back in Massachusetts and traveled back there to
meet with them. They had three attorneys meet with us and the GE
people were there. The attorneys were there to protect the GE people
because a lot of people say they have technologies and they meet
with them then after the meeting they sue them claiming that GE
stole their technology.
Then to defend themselves GE has to divulge
what their technology really is. So GE is very skeptical when you
say that you have something new. They bring in their high faulting
attorneys to really screen you.
After about an hour they said "these guys are for real. You
attorneys can leave". Because they had had the explosions also.
knew that when they buy the commercial rhodium tri-chloride that it
analyzes very well. But to make it ready to go into their fuel cells
they have to do effusions on it using salt effusions where they melt
the salt and put the metal in with it to disperse it further. They
know when they do that that the metal doesnít analyze as well any
So when we told them that we had material that didnít analyze at all
they could conceive how this was possible. They had never seen it
but they said we are interested.
Now these are the people who build
analytical instrumentation, GE.
"Dave, why donít you just make a
bunch of rhodium for us and send it to us and weíll mount it in
our fuel cell technology. [What is the mechanism of conversion
of monatomic rhodium to metallic rhodium in these fuel cells?]
Weíll see if it works in a place where only rhodium works.
No other metal has ever been found which
will perform the catalysis in the hydrogen evolving technology of
the fuel cell other than rhodium and platinum.
And rhodium is unique
compared to platinum because rhodium does not poison with carbon
monoxide and platinum does.
"Dave we will just run it to see if
itís a hydrogen evolving catalyst and if it is then we will see
if it is carbon monoxide stable and if it is then itís rhodium
or itís a rhodium alternative.
So we worked for about six months and
refined that amount of material and we re-refined it and re- refined
We wanted to be absolutely sure that this was really clean
stuff. We didnít want any problems with this. We sent it back to
Tony LaConte at GE.
GE by that time had sold their fuel cell technology to
United Technologies who already had a fuel cell technology. So
all the GE fuel cell people had to go work for United Technologies
and since United Technologies already had their in house people the
GE people were not integrated into the existing teams.
So all the GE
people were junior people.
They werenít senior any more. So after a
certain period of months they all quit and left United Technologies.
Well Jose Geener, who was the head of fuel cells at United
Technologies, quit also and went to set up his own firm called
Geener Incorporated in Waltham Massachusetts. Tony and
all the GE people went with him.
By the time our material gets there theyíve their own company set up
in Waltham Massachusetts so we contract with them to build the fuel
cells for us. When our material was sent to them the rhodium, as
received, was analyzed to not have any rhodium in it. Yet when they
mounted it on carbon in their fuel cell technology and ran the fuel
cell for several weeks it worked and it did what only rhodium would
do. And it was carbon monoxide stable.
After three weeks they shut the fuel cells down and they take the
electrodes out and sent them back to the same place that said there
was no rhodium in the original sample and now there is over 8%
rhodium in the rhodium. What happens is it begins to nucleate on the
carbon. It actually begins to grow metal- metal bonds. So now there
was metallic rhodium showing on the carbon where before there was no
So these GE people said
"Dave, if you are the first one to
discover this, if you are the first one to explain how to make
it in this form, if you are the first one to tell the world that
it exists, then you can get a patent on this.í"
I said "Iím not interested in
Then they told me that if someone else
discovered it and patented it, even though I was using it every day,
they could stop me from doing it. I said "well, maybe I should
patent it." So in March of 1988 we filed U.S. and world wide patents
on Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements.
Now that is a mouth full, so to make it short we called it ORMES.
When we were doing this patent procedure
the patent office said,
"Dave, we need more precise data, we
need more exact data, we need more information about this
conversion to this white powder state.
So one of the problems we had is when
you make this white powder and you bring it out into the
atmosphere, it really starts gaining weight.
Iím not talking about a
little bit of weight, Iím talking about 20-30%. [This is not
explained elsewhere. What does it mean?] Now that normally would be
called absorption of atmospheric gasses; the air is reacting with it
and causing weight gain but not 20 or 30 percent.
But nonetheless we had to answer the patent office. We had to come
up with exact data for the patent office. So what we did is use this
machine called thermo-gravimetric analysis. This is a machine that
has total atmospheric control of the sample. You can oxidize it,
hydro-reduce it and anneal it while continually weighing the sample
under a controlled atmosphere.
Everything is all sealed. We were
getting short on funding and couldnít afford to buy one so we leased
one from the Bay Area from [Berean] Corporation. They sent it in to
us and we set it up on computer controls.
We heated the material at one point two degrees per minute and
cooled it at two degrees per minute. What we found is when you
oxidize the material it weighs 102%, when you hydro-reduce it it
weighs 103%. So far so good. No problem. But when it turns snow
white it weighs 56%. Now thatís impossible.
When you anneal it and it turns white it only weighs 56% of the
beginning weight. If you put that on a silica test boat and you
weigh it, it weighs 56%. If you heat it to the point that it fuses
into the glass, it turns black and all the weight return. So the
material hadnít volatized away. It was still there; it just couldnít
be weighed any more. Thatís when everybody said this just isnít
right; it canít be.
Do you know that when we heated it and cooled it and heated it and
cooled it and heated it and cooled it under helium or argon that
when we cooled it it would weigh three to four hundred percent of
itís beginning weight and when we heated it it would actually weigh
less than nothing. If it wasnít in the pan, the pan would weigh more
than the pan weighs when this stuff is in it.
Keep in mind these are highly trained people running this
instrumentation and they would come in and say take a look at this.
This makes no sense at all. Now this machine is so precisely
designed and controlled that they actually have a magnetic material
that you can actually put into this machine that is non magnetic
when it goes in the machine and at 300 degrees it becomes magnetic.
It actually is a strong magnet.
Then after you get up to 900 degrees
it loses itís magnetism. And you can actually see if the
inter-reaction of the magnetism with the magnetic field of the
heating element caused any change in weight.
The heating element is bi-filar wound. It goes round and round the
sample then you reverse it and wind it right back up so all the
current runs against itself all the time.
So when a wire flows electricity there is a magnetic field that
forms around it but then you run the wire right next to it going in
the other direction it forms a magnetic field in the other direction
and the idea is that the two fields will cancel. Now this is the
kind of wiring that is used in a television to cancel all magnetic
The designers of this machine wanted to eliminate all magnetic field
aspects to this. When we put the magnetic material in the sample and
ran it with the magnetic material there was no response at all;
there was no change in weight when the material became magnetic or
lost itís magnetism.
Yet when our material is put in there and it
turns white it goes to 56% of its beginning weight. If you shut the
machine off and let it cool it is exactly 56%. If you heated it, it
would go less than nothing and if you cooled it it would go three to
four hundred percent but it always goes back to a steady 56%.
Now we contacted [Berean] in the Bay Area and said "look this
just doesnít make any sense".
Thereís something wrong with this
machine; I mean something isnít right. Every time we use the machine
it works fine unless we make the pure mono-atomic material and when
we do it turns snow white and doesnít work correctly any more.
looked over our results and said,
"you know Mr. Hudson if you
were working with the cooling of the material we would say it is
superconducting. But inasmuch as you are heating the material we
donít know what youíve got."
I decided well, I have had to learn
chemistry and I have had to learn physics and now Iíve got to learn
the physics of superconductors. So I borrowed a bunch of graduate
books on superconductivity and I began to read about
One thing we did is we took our white powder; now if this is a
superconductor we should be able to put this white powder down on
the table and should be able to hook up a volt meter here to it. You
know your volt meter has got two electrodes and you put it on a wire
and turn on the battery pack and it tells you the resistance in the
Well if you touch the powder with one electrode on one end and the
other on the other end and turn on the electricity you just figure
the needle is going to go boing, just like this, right?
Perfect conductivity, right? Nothing, zilch, nothing; no
conductivity at all. So we think whatís going on here?
So what we found out is that the definition of a superconductor is
that it does not allow any voltage potential or any magnetic field
to exist inside the sample. So by definition a superconductor will
not allow any voltage potential to exist inside the sample. To get
electricity off of a wire requires voltage and to get electricity
back on the wire requires a voltage.
So it cannot receive
electricity from a wire, it cannot receive the energy of the
superconductor back on the wire without voltage.
So now I know your question is "so what the heck good is this
If you canít get energy into it and you canít get energy
back out of it, what the heck good is it? Well what you come to find
out is that in the superconductor there is a single frequency of
light, just like a laser, that is flowing perpetually inside the
superconductor. And when it flows inside the superconductor it
produces around it what is called a Meissner field
which is unique to superconductors.
A Meissner field excludes all external magnetic fields from
the sample. What color must it be? It has to be white. Anything that
excludes all light from the sample has to be white. Anything that
absorbs all light has to be black. [How does this statement square
with the flash in the pan from exposure to sunlight?] If it reflects
all light it has to be white; now Iím talking about a pure single
element superconductor. It has to be white when it is
superconducting. [Check this out]
What you have to do is you have to take a radio frequency
transmitter and you have to resonance frequency tune the
superconductor to match the frequency of the wire. [More likely tune
the wire to match the superconductor]. So the wire now is
oscillation with its electron waves exactly the same as the
superconductor. At that point the electronic pair can go on the
superconductor with no push at all.
Because electrons are
continually moving over here on the wire and they are seeking the
path of least resistance. And so when you have them in perfect
synchronization with the superconductor they go on with no push at
all as pairs.
Now this takes a little explaining because one spin one half
electron plus one spin one half electron are two particles. Yet when
these two particles become perfectly paired as mirror images of each
other they lose all particle aspects and they become nothing but
pure light. This doesnít make sense either, does it?
But thatís the
way it is. Spin one half plus spin one half gives you spin one which
now is pure light. Trust me it is so. So they canít go on as
individual electrons, they go on as light.
Now the crazy thing about electrons is that one electron can exist
in one space time and if it moves to another space time it gives off
light or absorbs light. Itís moving from one space time to another.
Now we have light, which is two electrons. Light doesnít exist in
any space time. You can put 50 billion lights all in the same space
time and it is OK.
Now we donít have a conductor. A conductor you put electricity on
the wire, you got to take the electricity off or it wonít flow.
Youíve got to ground it, right? With a super conductor itís not. It
can go on and go on and go on and go on...and it doesnít have to
come off. Now if you want to take it off you have to put a wire next
to it and you have to resonance frequency tune the wire to match the
superconductor. And when itís in perfect harmony you apply a voltage
and poof off goes the energy.
So if you literally can make a superconductor that stretches from
Portland to New York City and you put energy on over here for two or
three or four days. You donít have to take it off over there. Itís
ok you can keep putting it in. And when they want it in New York
they can resonance frequency tune the wire, apply voltage and suck
it out. It gets a free ride from Portland all the way to New York.
On this quantal wave of the superconductor, as light not
How do you measure it if it has no voltage in it? How is it possible
to get a machine that can measure this light?
And guess what, it
canít be done. Cause every piece of instrumentation man has ever
figured out always uses a differential it must reflect and yet a
superconductor has no voltage. You literally start the
superconductor flowing by applying a magnetic field. It responds to
the magnetic field by flowing light inside of it and building a
bigger Meissner field around it.
You can put your magnet down and walk away. You come back a hundred
years later and it is still flowing exactly the same as when you
left. It doesnít ever slow down. It excludes, not 99.9999, it
excludes 100.000000 of all external magnetic fields. There is
absolutely no resistance in the sample; it is perpetual motion. It
runs for ever and ever and ever and ever.
The Russian physicist Sakarov said in the 1960s that we are
looking for gravity and we are never going to find it as a magnetic
Gravity is what is produced when protons, neutrons and
electrons inter-react with the vacuum energy. That energy that is
everywhere in the universe, timeless. That energy that is there like
the ether. When you pump out all heat and all matter; everything,
there still is energy there. Itís called the vacuum energy.
When the protons, neutrons and electrons inter-react with that
energy they produce gravity. If there is no matter, there is
no gravity. Interesting theory.
Everyone kind of ignored it for a while. Then this fellow by the
name of Hal Puthoff down in Texas who began life over here in
the Bay Area in California doing distant viewing experimentation.
Now heís working down in Austin, Texas.
E. Puthoff works at the Institute for Advanced Studies at
Austin in Austin, Texas.]
And he actually developed the mathematics
for Sakarovís theory of gravity. He published this in 1993 in
one of the top science journals. [It was actually published in the
March 1, 1989 issue of Physical Review A. The paper is titled
as a zero-point-fluctuation force" by H. E. Puthoff.]
In the mathematics (he actually does all his mathematical
calculations) it figures out that when matter begins to react in two
dimensions, as opposed to inter-reacting in three dimensions, (which
by definition a superconductor is a resonance coupled quantum
oscillator resonating in two dimensions, not three dimensions) he
comes up with the mathematics which shows when it begins to
inter-react in two dimensions that it should theoretically loose
four ninths of its gravitational weight.
Did you know that five
ninths is 56%, exactly.
So I decided that Iíve got to go down and see Hal Puthoff.
Iíve got to take all my data and go down and see Hal Puthoff.
"Hal, we have the experimental
confirmation that, in fact, your mathematics are absolutely
correct. In addition Sakarovís theory of gravity is absolutely
correct. Because this material only weighs 56% when it goes to
the superconducting state.
And Hal Puthoff says "Dave, you do
realize that gravity is what determines space/time.
And he said "Dave, when this
material only weighs 56% of itís true mass you do realize that
this material is actually bending space/time."
Now if you think about this it seems
He said "Dave, what we really need
is a material that totally bends space time."
"A material that has no
gravitational attraction at all."
Less than zero. Itís what he called
exotic matter in his papers.
I said "Hal, do you realize that if
you heat this material it has no gravitational attraction
Iíve been reading papers on the vacuum
Do you know that there is an overlap between the thermal
spectrum and the zero point spectrum; the two of them overlap. And
so if you heat something it should inter-react with the zero point
Well this material because it was resonating in two
dimensions, when you heat it it literally loses all gravitational
attraction. You know what Hal Puthoff said to me?
"Dave at that point you shouldnít be
able to see the material."
I said "correct, you can look in the
pan, through the quartz tube and there is nothing in the pan.
But the pan isnít weighing what it would weigh if the stuff
wasnít in it.
Now I had mistakenly assumed that the
material was just resonating at a frequency we didnít perceive. He
"Dave, theoretically it should be
withdrawing from these three dimensions."
" It should not even be in these
I said "wow."
He said "Dave, you have to devise an experiment where you can do
this: while it is not there, pass an arm through the sample
"So if it is there and resonating at
a frequency that you donít perceive you knock it out of the
Because when you cool it back down and
it begins to reappear it always appears in the same shape it was in
before it left. And he says
"if itís there youíre going to knock
it out of the pan, then when you cool it down, itís going to
return back in exactly the place it was before. Thatís proof
that it left these three dimensions."
And he said "Dave, if you do that
you will never ever want for money."
Do you think a stealth plane is really
important? What happens when it can literally disappear?
Now, what are some of the other aspects of a superconductor? You see
in 1988 I not only filed a patent on ORMES I filed a patents
on S-ORMES. The resonant coupled quantum oscillating system
of many atoms of these ORMES. I have 11 patents on ORMES and another
11 patents on S-ORMES. I have 22 patents.
What are some of the other aspects of a superconductor? A
superconductor; how do you prove itís a superconductor? You
literally take a constant magnetic field and you pass the material
into the constant magnetic field. If itís not a superconductor if
you apply a magnetic field you get positive inductance.
If you graph
it, applied magnetic field vs. Inductance. Magnetic field vs.
Inductance. [DH waves hands depicting a graph]
If itís a perfect
insulator, youíll run totally parallel. No matter how much magnetic
field you apply, no inductance. If itís a perfect conductor, just
the littlest amount of magnetic field on a perfect conductor will go
straight up. So between here and here some place, most metals graph
about like this.
If itís a superconductor as you apply a magnetic field it goes
negative. It literally eats the magnetic field. It feeds on the
magnetic field and takes it inside itself. Negative inductance in a
positive applied magnetic field is the proof of a superconductor.
In other words if you had a machine that was a superconductor when
it passed by ordinary power lines, it would cancel the voltage
potential of the power lines. Or if it passed by a home that had
electric appliances it would literally turn them off and cause them
to flicker and go off.
Do you realize that if you had a machine that would do that, it
could literally move in space time is what Hal was saying?
could disappear and reappear in space time. It could withdraw from
these three dimensions into a fifth dimension where there is no
distance, and there is no time between here and other star systems
and then reappear out of that in that star system. Have you ever
heard of anything that does that?
Anyway, the material is very very important. The material and the
way it works is very very important. Because we are talking about
controlling gravity and we are talking about controlling space/time.
Now let me give you an analogy. If, if it is possible for me to
shrink your molecular body down small enough, miniaturization that
would make you so tiny that you could climb inside of an atom, youíd
be down in the world of the quanta where there is no time forward
and there is no time reverse: everything is interchangeable. There
is no time as we know it. You would become an immortal. You
literally could live forever in the world of the quanta.
A superconductor is billions and billions and billions of atoms all
acting like one big macro atom. And so literally you make yourself a
vessel that you can climb inside of that superconducts and
you energize it and you exclude all external magnetic fields
And you are now in this world but you are not of
this world. Hear me. In this world but not of this world. And
literally by just heating it you can literally disappear from this
space time. Just like that, gone. Now you will still be able to see
everybody there, they just canít see you any more. Itís like being
above the water and looking down in the water at the fish. Youíre
not in their world.
But you can see them.
[Someone from the audience
interrupts with a question.] "But you wouldnít have any thoughts
either because they produce electromagnetic fields."
[Big silence from Dave Hudson. Then
person from audience says] "You would just have pure awareness."
[Dave Hudson recovers by saying]
"That is correct."
As you can see this becomes very
philosophical very quickly.
When you come to understand as we did
that literally we decided well gee if we have this analytical
capability, and we can quantitatively and qualitatively analyze this
stuff where else is it?
So we went down to A. J. Bayless and got ourselves some cowís
brains and some pigís brains. We carborized these brains in fuming
sulfuric acid. That was a really raunchy thing to do but it was the
only way we knew to do it. We werenít organic chemists, we were
inorganic chemists so we destroyed the carbon, carborized it, added
nitric-nitric-nitric acid, kept taking it down to fumes of sulfuric
more nitric, fumes of sulfuric, more nitric till we got rid of all
the carbon. Then water, water, water till we got rid of all the
Then we did a metal sulfate analysis. Did you
know that over five percent by dry matter weight of the brain tissue
is rhodium and iridium in the high spin state?
Did you know that the way cells communicate with each other is by
superconductivity? That the U.S. Naval Research Facility knows that
the way cells communicate with each other is by superconductivity?
That they have actually measured it using SQUIDS?
Quantum Interference Devices with a superconducting ring around
the body. And they have seen by this procedure that literally light
flowed between cell to cell to cell to cell. Did you know that your
nerve impulses are not electricity that they travel closer to the
speed of sound than they do to the speed of light? And electricity
travels closer to the speed of light? Do you know what speed the
superconducting wave travels?
The speed of sound. This, in fact, is
what is in your body that we call the consciousness. Itís what
separates you from a computer.
It literally is the light of life. This is that part of your
body that has been there all of this time, that scientists canít
find because their instruments canít see it. They call it carbon
because it has no absorption or emission spectra and they assume
therefore that it is carbon when, in fact, it isnít carbon.
there are 11 elements that it could be but primarily rhodium and
iridium are the elements that are in your body right now. And that
literally they resonance connect and literally flow the light of
life perpetually in your body. And around your body you have a non
polar magnetic field which is called the Meissner field or
they refer to it as the aura.
That literally these are the spirit atoms in your body. These are
the atoms that are in resonant harmony and resonating with the
vacuum energy. And the vacuum energy is another dimension where
there is no time. Everything that ever existed and everything that
ever will exist is registered in the vacuum. And I will tell you
now, my friends, that when you meet your God, you will meet him in
That is where all matter came from, that is where
all matter originated and that is where everything is recorded. And
your connection is through these resonant oscillators that are in
quantum resonance with the vacuum energy. That is what brings the
light of life from the world of the quanta up into the macro body
you call your own physical being.
These atoms, in a macro state and dried, look like a white powder.
But actually if you look at them under a microscope they look
like glass. You can actually heat the white powder to 1160
degrees under a vacuum and it forms a glass just like that window
glass. Another form the element can exist in.
When you come to understand that each of these atoms is resonating
with the vacuum energy. You canít harness a single atom. You canít
put reins on it and say work for me; this perpetual motion machine.
But when one atom is resonating back and forth in two dimensions it
creates a quantile wave that comes off of it. The next atom nestles
in that wave and perpetuates the wave.
The atoms are actually too far apart to have any chemistry and yet
they are sitting at a distance resonating in perfect unison,
harmony. The energy that literally rolls around one atom for ever
and ever and ever: did you ever ask yourself why an atom never runs
down? It is because it is dipping into the zero point energy all of
But now you have each atom in resonant harmony with each
other; each atom dipping into the zero point energy. So now youíve
got billions and billions and billions of them doing it for you. So
what you now have is a perpetual motion machine. You have something
that literally is running perpetually on zero point energy.
actually can build a ring of this material and it will flow and
respond to the earthís magnetic field.
For example, did you know that a single element superconductor, a
type one superconductor, will literally respond to a magnetic field
of two times ten to the minus fifteenth ergs? And do you know that
there is ten to the eighteenth power ergs in a gauss?
And the earthís magnetic field, that the compass aligns with is
about point five gauss? So an erg is the measure of the magnetic
field around one electron. And a superconductor responds to a
magnetic field of two times ten to the minus fifteenth ergs?
Gosh. Literally, when you think; it registers. So when you are
working with this material your thoughts are registering in the
In fact, some of you women will get upset with me when I say this
but we actually came to know these as female elements. Cause what we
did is we said "you know weíre going to flip these things. Weíre
just going to overcome these things. Cause if you just put enough
energy to them you can make them do what you want, right? Sure.
purchased what is called an arc furnace. We took about thirty grams
of this white powder and we put it in the furnace. This furnace had
an insulated crucible; it had a copper crucible in it with water all
around it to keep it cool. You bring a lid to set down on top of it
and thereís a tungsten rod that hangs down in it. And it actually
runs a little arc welder which you strike from the tungsten
electrode to the copper.
And in this arc you sit there and you stir with the electrode back
and forth, back and forth till you literally melt everything that is
there. Now what we did was we pumped out all of the air, we back
filled it with helium gas, for a plasma gas, and we struck the arc.
It went bzzp, like that and shut off. We opened up the arc furnace,
no tungsten electrode. Now this tungsten electrode is about the size
of my thumb.
Tungsten is the filament material that they make
light bulbs out of.
The people who built this furnace said we could
use it for thirty five to forty times with no deterioration of the
electrode. We could burn it for minutes and minutes and minutes and
minutes. We didnít even get a second out of this thing. So we sent
to the manufacturer, got another electrode put it back in it, put
back on, closed it back up, vacuumed the air out, put in the inert
gas, struck another arc, bzzp, shut off. Opened it up again and the
tungsten electrode is all molten into this powder.
What we found when we analyzed the powder after we did this, it
wasnít the same element it was before we did this. And what we also
found is that there was an amplification of heat about two thousand
times. It was not chemical heat, it was nuclear heat. What we found
is all the wiring in the laboratory was beginning to crumble and
fall apart. You could go up to copper wires and do that and they
would just go to powder.
The glass beaker sitting in the laboratory near the furnace was
getting full of little air pockets in the glass and when we would
pick them up they would fall apart. And thatís radiation damage.
There is no other explanation for it. Iíll show you tomorrow that
Berkeley-Brookhaven has confirmed that this is 25,000 electron volt
photons. [I donít remember being shown this] Gamma level radiation
comes out of these high spin atoms when you throw too much energy at
So like all females if you tell them you will force them you
will get absolutely nothing, but if you give them what they want,
they will give you what you want. So you cater to these elements;
you donít fight these elements.
These elements are alive. And what
you have to do is give them the chemistries that they want,
cooperate with them, coerce them, give them what they want and they
will literally go back to the low spin state and you can make them
into metals, or you can use them in the high spin state.
Now everything was pretty interesting now till my uncle came up with
this book in 1991 called Secrets of the Alchemists.
Iím not interested in reading about alchemy, this is when the church
was involved in it and everything, this was all perverted, Iím not
interested in that, I want to know about chemistry and physics.
He said "Dave, it talks about a
white powder of gold."
I said "really?"
And so I began to look into alchemy. And
the philosopherís stone, the container of the light of life was the
white powder of gold.
Now I said "is there a chance that this white powder of gold that I
have, could it be the white powder of gold theyíre talking about? Or
is it possible that there is two white powders of gold? Now the
description says it is the container of the essence of life; it
flows the light of life. Well that we had proven. Itís a
superconductor. It flows the light that is in your body.
claimed that it perfects the cells of the body.
Well I can show you tomorrow Bristol-Myers-Squib research
that shows that this material inter-reacts with DNA,
correcting the DNA. All the carcinogenic damage, all the radiation
damage, all is corrected from these elements in the presence of the
cell. They donít chemically inter-react with it, they just correct
I really became intrigued with this stuff. What would happen if we
give this material to people? Itís not metal-metal bonding so it
doesnít have heavy metal properties. So first of all we got a golden
retriever and gave the material to the golden retriever. This golden
retriever had tick fever, valley fever and a large abscess here on
And none of the veterinarians could find any medicine that
would get rid of it due to the combination of all three diseases.
And they just gave up; they werenít going to cure him. We began
giving him one cc injections of one milligram of the white powder.
One shot in the tumor and one shot in the blood stream. After a week
and a half the tick fever was gone, the valley fever was gone, the
tumor has shrunk down and disappeared. So we stopped the injections.
About a week later it starts coming back again. So we start giving
the injections again and it shrunk back down again. This time we
continued about a week longer and then when we stopped it never came
back. The dog felt great.
So then the doctor we were working with said you know this is really
incredible stuff. He said you know I have an assistant that works in
my doctorís office who is a day or two away from death with aids. He
is being fed intravenously right now. He canít speak, he canít dress
himself, he is dying.
So he said,
"Iím going to start giving him just
a little bit of this material and see what happens.
A week and a half later he had pulled
out all the feed lines out of his arms, he was feeding himself
normally, getting dressed on his own, just doing great. A month and
a half later he was on an airplane going back to a family wedding in
Indiana and nobody even knows he has aids.
This doctor says,
"Dave, this is like a magic
So he got a patient who had KS;
Karposi Sarcoma which is the cancer you get all over your
This man had over thirty lesions all over his body and we
began to give him one milliliter injections into his blood stream.
After a month and a half there was no more active KS on his body.
One milligram per day! Now if you are familiar with KS there is only
one treatment and that is radiation treatment. And after a
while you get the maximum amount of radiation and they have to
discontinue the treatment, then you get worse and die. And this
totally got rid of KS lesions.
Then we started working with another patient who was actually not
gay. This woman had received the aids virus in an invitro
fertilization that was done down at the University of Arizona.
were ten women who received the semen from this patient who had the
HIV virus. She was the only one who got aids. She had it for 11
She was really starting to go down hill. Her white blood cell
count and her T cell count were really classic. We gave it to her
orally for the first time and basically there was no change in her
white blood cells and her T cells. Now when we give it by injection
the white blood cell count goes from 2200 to 6500 in an hour and a
When we take it orally nothing happens to the white blood cell
count. Which is the only analytical battle we have available.
a month she said,
"I want the injection; I want to see
this increase my white blood cell count."
So we prepared her a shot and she took
the material by injection.
At the same time we gave her the shot, we
pulled blood samples and sent them to [Noing?] Laboratories
in southern California for an infected virons per milliliter
of blood analysis. She took the first inject ions.
She got high fevers, just like everyone does, so we said cut it in
half. She cut it in half, (actually the doctor cut it in half) the
next day she took it and she went into seizures and she died. By
that time we got our analysis back from [Noing?] Laboratories and it
said the infected viron count was so low that this woman
shouldnít even know she had aids.
Now we didnít do an analysis up
front so we decided well weíll start giving this to people after we
do a lab analysis. We worked with a man who had an infected viron
count of 57,000. He was so weak that he could hardly walk; he used a
The doctor said he gave him two to three weeks to live. He
took this material orally and it took about 60 days to begin to drop
the infected viron count. After 60 days it went down 30% every
thirty days. By the end of seven months it was so low they couldnít
even detect it any more in his blood. And thatís taking 50
milligrams per day orally.
Now do understand, Iím not a doctor.
I have no interest in becoming
a doctor. What I wanted to know is, is it possible that this stuff
works? That is all my interest was. There was one doctor in North
Phoenix that I gave two bottles of the dried material to and he gave
it to two cancer patients.
One was forty two years old and the other
was fifty seven years old. They both had breast cancer. The forty
two year old woman had had her breast removed two years earlier and
had extensive radiation treatments. After two years she was having
pain in her neck, pain in her ribs. She went to a chiropractor that
couldnít help her.
She finally ended up with an oncologist who said
she had cancer in her neck, her shoulder, her back, her spine, and
your ribs. He said it is stage four, get your affairs in order. We
can give you chemo-therapy but you are going to die.
The woman went to this doctor. He gave her these capsules which was
a month and a half worth of pills. She took this material, at a
hundred milligrams, for a month and a half. At the end of the month
and a half she went back to the oncologist. She had no cancer
anywhere in her body. I didnít even know who the woman was.
nothing to do with giving her the material. I get this phone call
and this woman says,
"Mr. Hudson, I donít know who you are or what
this material is, but it is really fantastic material."
And she told
me the story.
The fifty seven year old woman it apparently didnít work on. We were
then back at the University of Chicago having cancer studies done
with mice. And what we found is about half the mice it killed of
cancers but the other half the cancers grew faster.
But at the end
of the study the cancer researchers injected the mice with estrogen.
Which should have caused the cancers to even grow faster. Instead as
soon as the estrone hit their bodies; within twenty four hours all
the cancers were gone. And so what I suggest to people right now is
anyone who is over forty years of age I understand should consider
taking DHEA or some female hormone because in treating breast
cancer the female hormone plays an important role in the treatment
of the breast cancer.
Now Iím not presenting this to you as technical information. Iím
presenting this to you as my experience and what I can tell you
We also had a doctor in Florida who was giving it to a pancreatic
cancer patient, last November. He was dramatically losing weight. He
did not expect him to survive. So they were desperate for anything.
He took this for sixty days and has now gained all his weight back
and is doing just great today. The doctor doesnít understand it. He
is just totally blown away about how it could happen because nobody
survives pancreatic cancer.
This is not an anti-anything. This is not anti-aids. This is not
anti- cancer. This is pro-life. It literally is the spirit. The
material is not here to cure aids. The material is not here to cure
cancer. The material is here to perfect our bodies. It makes our
bodies be in the state they are supposed to be in. It is our own
immune system that fights and cures the disease. If you can correct
your DNA at every cell in your body.
If you can correct the
damage thatís been done that brought about the cancer, if you can
correct the damage that has been brought about by the virus, the
aids; you literally will become a perfected being. You will return
back to the original healthy state you were meant to be in.
This is not a medicine.
This material is, in fact, a
philosophical material. It is here to enlighten and to
raise the consciousness of mankind. If in doing that it happens
to cure diseases so be it. Itís real hard for most of us to
understand that this is what it is all about.
We are just about at nine o-clock. Tomorrow I will lay out all the
physics that has happened since I filed my patent. I will lay out
all the theories about superconductivity and the high spin atoms. We
will come to see all the published literature; I will put it up on
the overhead projector where you can read the credentials;
Brookhaven National Laboratories, Oakridge National
Laboratories, the Niels Bohr Institute over in
You will see all the papers on superconductivity
in the body. You will see all the papers on literally the light of
life being the superconductor. And we will discuss in depth the
zero point energy, the vacuum energy, space/time,
And I will explain it to you, I think,
clearly. And all of you will walk out of here with a pretty good
understanding of what gravity and space/time really is. And how we
are just a hologram; a picture show, ourselves. We are not reality;
Then we will go into the history of this from four
or five thousand BC to the Tigris-Euphrates valleys,
Zachariah Sitchin papers, to the Egyptian pharos and high
priests. To the Hebrews and the Bible. To the prophecies of
Nostradamus, the Keys of Enoch; all the prophesies relating to this
And the prophecy that it will be here by 1999; will be
known to science. So that is the story.
We will see you tomorrow if you
feel like coming.