You’ve conducted a great number
of hypnotic regressions with abductees over a long period of
time. What drove you to devote years of research to the alien
1984 was my last meeting with the world-class, brilliant
Through his inspiration, my research
into alien human abuse and control has proved the hypothesis he
proclaimed in his important book, ‘Invisible College’: “UFOs may
constitute a control system.”
Why do I continue to research, under
terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe?
It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what
I call a “master control system” that defies all locks, law
enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least,
human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation
possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain
It’s a force that can delude people
into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time,
alien manipulative “overlord ship” is altering the course of
We are confronted and confounded by an intelligence that has the
vacuum a car and its
occupants right off the roadway and go unnoticed by all
enter human minds or
habitats day or night
interfere with babies still
in the womb
abduct young children right
from their beds or playgrounds undetected
change the dynamics of
relationships and love affairs
create mental problems and
create wars and mutate
generations as in their “Breed out the love” program
These are just a few examples of the
aliens’ abilities to modify human behavior and conditions.
People came for my help as if guided
by some “invisible hand” during the sightings and abductions in
the early 80’s and 90’s. No, flying saucers are NOT flying back
and forth, landing and taking off at breakneck speed. Air
traffic control would be abominable. The ‘crashed saucers with
dead aliens in New Mexico’ story is old news, and obscures the
real threat to our world.
Compare it to the discovery of germs. Before the microscope,
there were these “invisible things” causing sickness and death.
Of course, there were good germs as well, but never forget that
toxins could eventually destroy the world.
So it is with the alien dominance.
Some skeptics claim that abductions are no more than memories
from delusional episodes, and a number of psychologists seem to
adopt the false memory theory (supported by the False Memory
Syndrome Foundation), which denies the accuracy of adult claims
of “repressed” memories of childhood sexual abuse or alien
According to this foundation,
real trauma is almost never forgotten, and memories recollected
through hypnosis are almost invariably false and induced by
hypnotherapists. Is hypnosis a good technique to get back
abductees’ memories, and how do you make sure that hypnosis
brings back true memories of true events?
One would think that by the year 2007, these foundations [False
Memory Syndrome Foundation -
FMSF] would funnel their money into the
most important research of all: the problematic alien abduction
Most mental health experts remain in
the Dark Ages when it comes to the validity of actual alien
abductions. It’s still diagnosed as a mental abnormality.
To demonstrate this archaic response, consider the case of three
attractive psychiatric nurses, working together at the same
psychiatric hospital, who decided to spend their summer vacation
together in New Mexico. While enjoying the spectacular mountain
scenery, they agreed to turn off the main roadway onto what
appeared to be a short-cut to their destination, which was a
Fearing they were lost after hours of driving, they
stopped at a small store in the middle of nowhere.
It was actually the entrance to an underground facility,
camouflaged by an old storefront.
Hypnosis revealed three
matching descriptions of a large underground reptilian alien
base. As the women left the store, they were disoriented, unable
to speak properly, and barely able to reach their destination.
One nurse sitting in the back seat
was writhing in considerable back pain. They begged me to work
with them to see what had happened. After extensive regressive
hypnosis, they were all in agreement that they had been abducted
and subjected to forms of mental and physical abuse.
I was curious as to whether they would seek help for their post
traumatic stress from their superiors.
They answered in unison,
”Noooooo! They would not believe us and would diagnose us as
delusional. We would be ostracized from our highly specialized
fields as mental health nurses and counselors.”
The mental health experts you refer to are not critical
thinkers. They are taught to think within the parameters of
their chosen field; they are taught how and what to think. It’s
all laid out within a prescribed framework.
It’s logical to reason that children subjected to abuse could
not possibly survive the memories of horrific experiences. It’s
obvious they [the psychiatric community] haven’t done research
into alien abductions.
Healing comes to those who relived
the truth - not false memories. When a victim is healed of
destructive, self-medicating addictions and lingering fears and
phobias related to their abduction experiences, they have peeled
back the layers of stage-managed deception to see the truth. The
hypnotist talented enough to execute this process has to be a
specialist, trained in years of alien abduction memory
If executed correctly, hypnosis is a
Ninety-nine percent of abductees, after they see the truth, walk
away, never wanting another experience with the so-called “space
Some of the participants who have
had their egos curried, are made to feel special and desire
contact, expecting to someday become recognized for their
exceptionally privileged interactions with the aliens.
Things became complicated when
Karla Turner explained that
some E.T.-related experiences were, in fact, “Virtual Reality
Scenarios” implanted by aliens - false memories, in a way.
According to you, what’s the point of such a move?
Mixing and matching people, dissolving happy relationships is a
sordid source of alien amusement. Alien mind control and the
ability to manipulate time exceed the understanding of our
After researching her own family’s alien experiences for five
years, Karla kept urging me to write and lecture.
At the time, my caseload was so
heavy I suggested that she might present my work in the form of
books and lectures. She actually quit her professorship at North
Texas University, and began the venture that eventually resulted
in her untimely demise. As she publicly revealed the dark side
of alien abduction, her days were numbered.
While doing her own research, she observed that virtual reality
scenes projected into the minds of friends, family, and even her
own could be effective in undermining the stability of
The aliens know your deepest
weakness, and they will attack with a vengeance. It was in one
such scene that she was informed by an alien that she was in
line for an ‘adjustment.'
That’s when the process to terminate
her life began in earnest; the murder began with psychological
Is there material evidence suggesting the extraterrestrial
nature of the abduction phenomenon?
Yes there are physical objects, but there is absolutely no
funding or money for sophisticated analysis.
However, most contacts appear inter-dimensional in nature. Some
claim to have been awakened and summoned in a conscious state to
board a hovering spacecraft that appears small in the initial
phase, and enlarges to hospital size, with long corridors and
As reported with out-of-body and
near-death experiences, the consciousness of the individual
separates from the flesh body and maintains awareness. In much
the same way, it appears the aliens possess the technology to
separate and project the person to their habitat. The body
appears to reassemble at the alien base of operations.
Are they taken to a spacecraft
that’s zooming into outer space? Is it an illusion? Your guess
is as good as mine.
Other experiences take place right in the person’s dwelling.
Stage-managed imagery can control the minds of the participants
to believe any scenario. There are reports of subterranean
environments, detectable by the dank, musty odors. Some describe
being transported to the interior of a mountain or underwater
So the spacecraft are
inter-dimensional, but can appear physical.
Is it possible to avoid the repeated trauma of an alien
It all depends on the kind of contacts you’re experiencing. If
it’s traumatic, you will experience the trauma.
Look, it stands to reason that if
you don’t even know ‘they’ are present, how can you avoid the
trauma? Frankly, they feed off of your reactions. Trauma is a
delicacy, this is truth.
You will not hear them knock at your door, cheerily announcing
“Bonjour, Madame! We’re here to collect sperm and embryos!
Tonight, vaginal and rectal probes are scheduled, but calm down.
You won’t remember a thing in your conscious mind. Blood
pressure pills, pain pills, sleeping pills, anti-depressants,
alcohol, downers and uppers will take care of any lingering
Humans are hunks of sedated flesh on an examining table; alien
property to do with what they will while we are under their
control. This can and does happen in your own home. If they want
to change the sexual preference, they can.
The husband you went to bed with,
Bob, is now Betty in the morning. Or, if they want to see how he
copulates with the neighbor down the street, man or woman, they
can put them together on an inter-dimensional level. At the same
time, you might fall hopelessly in love with the young guy
pushing a broom at the grocery store.
Isn’t it time we asked,
“Who or what gives the orders?”
‘cosmic’ terms are they allowed to control humans? WE all must
wake up; demand answers to these questions.
Who runs this planet, anyhow?
Karla Turner thought that alien abduction process was
especially harmful to human beings, and could even prove to be
lethal in some cases.
Well, it’s an understatement to
say that this is not exactly the feelings of many abductees,
scholars and researchers like
Whitley Strieber or
What do you think about it ?
My deepest respect is for researchers, scholars and many
abductees who thankfully remain safe and secure during their
valiant attempts to understand the ever-enigmatic UFO
However, people must understand that
the researchers who promote the alien agenda prosper. They are
almost always rewarded for their efforts. For example, Richard
Boyland and Whitley Strieber are both very much alive, while Dr.
Karla Turner, described as a modern-day ‘Joan D’Arc,' lies silent
in her grave.
Those of us who reveal the darker side risk our lives on a daily
Many have died in the process, and
have struggled with both financial and marriage difficulties and
endless health problems. Not only have loved ones [of abductees
who have come forward] died, but an alarming number of abductees
I’ve personally worked with have just recently died of exotic
Dean Warwick, the most recent researcher who decided to tell
what he knew about the numerous missing children and underground
bases, died on stage before he reached the microphone. This is a
warning: once you step beyond the veil, you will never be the
same. Take it from me - don’t go there!
Many brave individuals threatened by alien, non-human entities
traveled to seek the truth. Many had been warned by the aliens
not to explore their abduction events, or their loved ones would
die as a harsh punishment for disobedience.
Past research has proved that alien
information can be unreliable, although ‘their’ pronouncements
of death threats in these cases proved to be true.
Rumor has it that Turner’s death was alien related. What
about you? What do you think?
Kandy called me as soon as she came back from the cancer
specialist for an emergency visit.
She had just awakened that morning
with a spectacular symbol imprinted on her liver. It was larger
than a fifty cent piece in size, and it was embossed in a
meticulous way. The angles were perfect, and it was a perfectly
When the doctor, a cancer specialist, examined her, he said,
“You must have had a visitation
by aliens, because there is no human doctor or medical
facility that could ever initiate a situation like this. No
medical technology could create that impression on a human
The blood had been excised from this
area so perfectly.
The doctor said that nothing we have
in medical science could extract the blood and create these
perfect angles. He knew nothing about her involvement with
aliens. You don’t ever bring that up around doctors, so he had
no prior knowledge of her alien connection.
Jacques Vallee cautioned discernment when evaluating psychic
transmissions. I was schooled that way, so I normally wouldn’t
pay much attention. But something unusual happened just a few
months after Karla’s death. This particular night, sleep was
interrupted by the sad realization I would never hear Karla’s
enthusiastic voice again, and I woke up at 7am on the morning of
March 19, 1996, jolted by a loud explosion.
A nearby transformer blew and caused
a massive power outage. Naturally, all the electrical clocks
stopped working, but so did my battery-powered grandfather
Later that evening, I received a call from a psychic, Joanne
Miller, who has occasionally worked with the Atlanta police
department. She had seen Karla only one time, at a lecture in
Atlanta. On this particular day, March 19th, she had gone to the
When she got back in the car, she
was overwhelmed with Karla’s presence urging her to “call
Barbara Bartholic immediately.”
The following is the message as I
received it from the psychic. The fact that all of my clocks had
indeed stopped that very morning caused me to listen carefully.
I’m including this so that you can
decide for yourself what you believe:
(From Joanne) She’s murdered.
(Karla’s message) The malfunction of your clock is the
signal to you that I am present. Must present facts. Must
keep up work. Don’t stop because of fear. Fear is their
power. Not finished fighting. Will help from other side.
There are good forces there. If you do not speak out, you
are all accomplices. Death is not an end. I will watch over
you. You are a witness to a crime. I love you.
Terence Mc Kenna, who died in 2000, put forward the theory
that psychedelic drugs containing DMT like ayahuasca allow you
to communicate with extraterrestrial beings evolving into other
levels of consciousness.
James Bartley goes even further
and says that consumption of certain amphetamines (Crystal
Methedrine, to be more precise) is dangerous in so far as it put
you under the influence of negative aliens.
investigations confirm such things?
In the late ‘80s, an epidemic of methamphetamine addiction
infected youngsters subjected to alien abductions.
These individuals were living in a
rather poor, rural community. This all-too-common side effect
made me realize the aliens might be embarking on a serious drug
Currently, the number one drug problem in the United States is
methamphetamine. It’s called the drug of violence. Once you
start, it’s almost impossible to stop. It wreaks havoc on
families. This drug opens the user to extreme psychic abilities.
I’ve seen users actually read the mind of another person. This
drug allows open access, enabling the alien to possess and
dominate the addict.
Users have reported obsessive interest in child pornography,
viewing it nonstop for days. Most importantly, many of the
children born to addicts appear to have a different brain
pattern, and many are without empathy. It’s a ‘breeding out the
Yes, addicts do seem to interact
with the alien, non-human life forms.
During the nineties, abductees
like Katharina Wilson, Katie Davis or Melinda Leslie for
instance, reported evidence of covert military involvement in
alien abductions. At that time, this kind of report was very
unusual and minimized by UFO researchers.
Did you record an increasing
number of that kind of accounts?
No, I have not noticed an increase.
Many of the cases you refer to live
close to military bases. The participants in the ‘siege’ were
used for breeding purposes, death, disease, and foremost, mind
That’s another sensitive area that
people risk their lives to speak about.
So what must we deduce from this?
That Secret Military-Intelligence community and government are
involved in abduction, mind control, and harassment of alien
abduction experiencers? Or that these kinds of events are screen
memories implanted by aliens to cover the real activities of
Marianne Friedman, whom I felt would follow in Karla Turner’s
footsteps, died soon after she was abducted and interrogated
during a dream, in what appeared to be a joint military/alien
She was tortured, and required
medical treatment and future surgery on her neck due to her
inhumane treatment. She was a warrior, and uncovered so much
information about the human mind and the use and function of
‘implants.’ She was intuitive, and no novice to the aliens’
She could not discern whether the
aliens had used illusions and mind control to make her believe
the human military was involved, and admitted she remembered
reptilian alien forms wearing American military garb, confusing
Now we will never know. Following the alien intimidation to
break her willful resistance, her beloved dog suddenly died of
cancer. She followed shortly thereafter - dead from a sudden
brain attack at the age of 47.
According to you, what did Karla Turner contribute to the
alien abduction research?
Dr. Karla Turner knew the odds, and yet began to reveal the
truth, knowing it could cost her life. With her unyielding
tenacity, even after she had been diagnosed with breast cancer,
she was focused and determined to stay the course.
wrote the books and gave dynamic
lectures that are changing the course of people’s lives. Her
lectures, which you can see online, are inspiring people and
inspiring courage in people.
She disseminated the information and
encouraged numerous people.
Even in death, Dr. Karla Turner’s legend has brought forth more
young people who are carrying on the fight to unmask the