Karma One : In the abduction
literature, did you ever see a story from a victim of abduction
that typically fit with the behavior and the physical
description of the Tall Whites? Do you remember precisely the
case? Or the Tall Whites don't generally abduct people?
Charles Hall : No. I never saw the tall Whites abduct people in
the malicious manner that the typical abduction case describes.
However, as I describe in my books, while I was out on the
ranges, if the Tall Whites believed that a human was in trouble
or in need of help, they would come in close to offer help if
they could. The terrified and confused human could easily
confuse this with an attempted abduction.
For example in
"Millennial Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "Olympic
Tryouts" and in "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in
the chapter entitled "Olympic Dreams", I describe my personal
experiences in those areas. Also, sometimes other activities
might look to humans like abductions when they weren't. For
example, in "Millennial Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "In
Memory of Me", The alien Teacher would bring her little girl to
play with the human little girl.
Neither the human little girl
nor her mothers were actually abducted. I have seen in the
literature several cases of that type. Another case of great
personal interest is the case entitled "Incident at Happy Camp"
which was researched by one of the famous UFO researchers. In
that case, the description of the aliens and their craft
definitely matches The Tall Whites. In that case, they only
abducted the humans after the humans attacked the children.
My personal Observations are: I never saw anything that would
lead me to believe that the Tall White aliens are supernatural,
seeded our planet, want to create hybrids, that there are
wormholes in space, or that the Tall Whites travelled backward
or forward in time.
I did observe craft which regularly and routinely travelled
faster than the speed of light.
Karma One : In some stories about
Alien Races, one could find
descriptions of some kind of Nordic Tall blond, blue eyed
individuals. Do you think that we can correlate the Tall White
phenomena with the so called Nordic alien Type?
Charles Hall : I have no idea. I can only speak from my personal
experiences with the Tall Whites and with the aliens that I
describe in "Millennial Hospitality III - The Road Home" whom I
call "The Norwegians with 24 teeth".
There is no correlation that I can see between the Tall Whites
and the so called Nordic alien type.
Karma One : Do you have information about the first interaction
between the Air Force and the Tall Whites when the Air Force
arrived in Nevada to build the Nellis installation? You seem to
say that the Tall Whites were not newcomers and that they were
in fact installed there for quite a long time before the US
army? .
Charles Hall : I do not have any personal information regarding
the first interactions between the US Government and the Tall
White aliens. However, as I describe in "Millennial Hospitality
III - The Road Home", The Tall White lady who called herself "The
Teacher" stated that Pamela had been born in Indian Springs
Valley during the time when James Madison was the U.S.
President. That was back around the years 1812. The construction
of the main Tall White hanger was consistent with the late
1940's or early 1950's.
I note that The U.S. President Harry
Truman stated that he believed he had met the ghost of Abraham
Lincoln in the White House one night back when he was president
during the late 1940's. However, it is my observation that his
description of the "ghost" matched completely with any number of
Tall White guards that I personally saw out on the Indian
Springs Ranges at night. For that reason, I would guess that the
first formal interactions between the Tall Whites and the U.S.
Government took place during the 1940's or very early 1950's.
I
note that the legends of the ancient Greeks, dating back to
before 972 B.C., refer to a group of Tall White "gods" who were
said to have come to earth from the star Arcturus. For that
reason, the ancient Greeks named the star Arcturus "The Watcher"
star. For that reason, it is very probable that the Tall Whites
have been coming here to earth for at least three thousand
years.
Karma One : In the public imaginary, Nellis Air Force Base is
related to Area 51. The location is supposed to be a base for
what people named the Short Greys. Those EBE are supposed to
live in deep underground bases and have tumultuous relations
with the Air Force.
So, have you ever heard about the existence
of other alien races on Nellis? If yes, what were the relation
between Tall Whites and Short Greys? Did the Tall Whites ever
talk to you about other alien races? How did they consider them?
Did the Tall Whites warn us about the possible dangers posed by
other alien races?
Charles Hall : It is my understanding that the only aliens out
on the Nellis Ranges are The Tall Whites. However, I am quite
certain that the Tall Whites and the Short Greys hate each
other. I am quite certain that The Tall Whites would never
permit the Short Greys to come anywhere near their base areas or
near to their housing areas or anywhere that their children
might be playing, etc.
For that reason, I, myself, do not
believe that there are any Short Greys out at Area 51 or out in
Area 52, or out on the Nellis Ranges . During the two plus years
that I was out on the Ranges, I never personally saw any
evidence that the Short Greys were anywhere out on those ranges
or out at Area 51.
As regards your question relating to other alien races, I quote
from "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the
chapter entitled "Landing Lights"
"Are there many planets like the Earth out in space?" I asked.
"Yes," she (The Teacher) responded. "There are quiet a few.
However, humans are the only people that we have seen who live
so closely with their animals. For example, you feel comfortable
milking cows, riding horses, and playing with dogs. Every one of
those animals could kill you, but you naturally use your
intelligence to determine how each of those animals is thinking.
Then you naturally take control of them. Only humans do that. On
most planets, once people become intelligent, they don't want to
have anything to do with the animals that are much less
intelligent then they are, so they kill them off.
"Also, humans will eat almost anything. On all of the other
planets, the intelligent people will only eat plants. We, for
example, only eat plants."
On that evening, The Teacher went on to say that I needed to be
careful when I was alone out on the ranges because there were "…
many dangers."
On that evening, she did not further elaborate.
Karma One : If the Tall Whites are the only alien creatures who
lived in Nellis and Area 51 Papoose dry lake, do you think that
all the stories about short Greys and other aliens groups are
disinformation and a smoke screen?
Charles Hall : The Tall Whites do not live at
Area 51 (Groom
Lake) or at Area 52 (Papoose lake). They live underground in
the mountains in Area 53. Their main base is in the mountain
immediately to the east of Area 53, which is Area 54. Area 53
and Area 54 and the western parts of the Desert Southwest Game
Range are known as DreamLand.
It is an area that is so
restricted, I used to have an official USGS map of the area that
did not show any of the mountains or valleys out there. Instead,
it only showed a large white area labeled "Unexplored Territory". The Tall Whites are the only alien creatures that I have ever
personally seen out in the deserts and valleys and mountains
north of Indian Springs, Nevada. However, I am certain that
the "Little Greys" are real and are here on earth.
I do not personally believe that the "Little Greys" are or ever
were at Area 51 itself. My belief is that the "Little Greys"
would most likely be found somewhere else, such as in the
northern and western portion of the state of New Mexico. For
example, based on various items of information that I have
personally come across over the years, I am quite certain that
the Roswell incident of 1947 was real and that it was a "Little
Grey" craft that crashed. I have never personally actually seen
a little Grey, and I never want to.
As I describe in "Millennial
Hospitality III - The Road Home", I have also personally met and
talked with a second type of alien, the ones that I call the
Norwegians with 24 teeth. I am certain the earth is being
visited by several different types of aliens. However, I am also
quite certain that the US Government also periodically issues
disinformation and false information as part of a campaign to
create "Smoke Screens". I believe that a substantial portion of
the information relating to Area 51 is US Government
disinformation and "Smoke Screens". For example, the facilities
at Area 51 are in a fenced rectangular area that is only 6 miles
by 10 miles.
That is nowhere near large enough for an alien
base. It is also way too small to safely operate any alien
anti-gravity craft. The various fields that surrounded the small
Tall White scout craft emanated out at least one and a quarter
miles. Fields of that same type emanated out from the Deep Space
craft for many times that distance. Neither the Alien Generals
nor the USAF Generals would ever agree to bring craft with that
kind of power in close to the facilities at Area 51.
Karma One : The Tall Whites look very ambiguous emotionally
speaking. They are able to kill somebody in a snap, they are
arrogant and in the other way, they can show love and compassion
toward others, like their children. How did you perceive their
emotionality? A lack of it or another way to express it, very
different than ours?
Charles Hall : My observations are as follows: Each one of the
Tall Whites was an individual. Each one was different from every
other Tall White, just as each human is different from every
other human. Each one's emotional reactions were different from
the others. In order for a human to survive being around them,
it was necessary to recognize and understand how different and
individual each one of them was.
Karma One : When we read your account, you show that you feel a
deep feeling of amazement and fear toward the Tall Whites? They
look humanoid but they don't look like we do. Can you describe
what were the first kind of emotions (in the amazement range
feelings) when you saw them for the first time. What precisely
attract your attention? The glowing light? The size?
Charles Hall : For those who have not read my first book, and to
answer your question, it is important to remember that I simply
had no point of reference for the experience of meeting
creatures not of this planet. I had no briefing. It was night.
It was pitch dark. It was in the large empty barracks on the
Indian Springs base where I had my bunk. I was completely alone
in the barracks.
The reality is much different than one might
suppose. I lived with them for two years and even toward the end
of that time, the experience was never relaxing. For those old
enough to remember what innocent times the early to mid-sixties
were, I think they might have less difficulty understanding how
unprecedented my introduction was.
Karma One : Have you been the victim of threats, pressures or
manipulations coming from the Air Force (your ex-employers) or
the US government in general?
Charles Hall : No. Remember, as I describe in "Millennial
Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "The Happy Charade" the
decision to send me, and no one else, out to the ranges, was
made by a committee of individuals that included the Tall Whites
as well as high ranking USAF Generals and other high ranking
members of the U.S. Government. The Tall Whites are very
meticulous about keeping their agreements and expect the U.S.
Government to be equally meticulous about keeping its agreements
as well.
If I were victimized or threatened by anyone,
The Tall
Whites would interpret that to mean that the U.S. Government
could not be trusted to keep its agreements. The consequences
would be enormous. Remember also that I was a weather observer.
I was an enlisted man. I was never shown any classified
documents. I was never given any classified briefings. I was
never a part of any classified program such as building secret
aircraft. I never took any photographs. I did not bring any
government property, anything material, any diary, or log book
with me when I came off the ranges.
I came off the ranges with only my memories.
Karma One : What were the reactions of your friends, relatives
and colleagues when you revealed them your story? And what were
the reactions of the other UFO specialists? Have you been
surprised by the kind of reaction?
Charles Hall : I told my wife about the extraterrestrials in
early 1970, when we had been married about three months. She was
not terribly interested in whether aliens existed or not.
She
merely said,
"All I know, is that if I ever met one, I hope I
would behave in a manner that was a credit to humans."
My wife's
response after reading the manuscript, gave birth to the title,
"Millennial Hospitality".
I have told my story over the years, to friends, my children,
and colleagues. It is difficult to characterize their reactions
since people often do not express their true feelings, in order
to spare your own, for the sake of your relationship with them.
Since publishing the books, I would say that the reactions of
UFO specialists have been generally cordial. One enthusiastic
supporter is
Gerry Zeitlin at openseti.org. My account was
investigated by Paola Harris and David Coote. You may read their
statements by visiting both
my web site and by visiting Paola's web site at
paolharris.it.
Karma One : Have you been able to cross your story with the
testimonies of other witnesses who also worked at Nellis or in
the area or in another region of the world where the Tall Whites
could be installed?
Charles Hall : As you can see in my books, many other airmen who
served with me at Indian Springs witnessed the tall Whites out
in the desert. In addition, in the years that have passed since
then, I have personally met a number of other individuals who
have seen the tall Whites.
Karma One : The craft that you described doesn't fit with the
descriptions of the flying saucers type or the Delta Black
Triangle type. Did you see also this kind of aircraft? Do you
know if the classical saucer type and the triangle Type could be
a kind of craft that one could find in the Tall White Arsenal?
Charles Hall : Over the years, I have personally seen the black
triangular craft. They typically made a lot of noise. I use my
own personal rule of the thumb that any craft that makes a noise
when it flies was built by the USAF. The Tall White craft use an
anti-gravity propulsion system. It is perfectly silent. It
doesn't leave anything behind, even sound. I note that the craft
that crashed at Roswell in 1947 was disc shaped and apparently
could also move in perfect silence.
However, the helicopter
designed by Werner Von Braun about 1938 was also disc shaped.
Von Braun's design had four propellers inside of a large porous
disc shaped envelope constructed out of light weight materials.
In principle, it could have reached supersonic speeds without
creating shock waves. The purpose of the disc shaped envelope
was to control the airflow around the disc shaped craft as it
moved, thereby, propelling the craft forward, backward, side to
side, up and down.
An observer would not have been able to tell
the difference between a craft of the Roswell design and a craft
designed by Werner Von Braun by only considering its shape.
Karma One : As far as you know, the organization of their
society could be compared to what kind of structure? A
militaristic society, centralized? A kind of democracy? Or a
society oriented on science and trade?
Charles Hall : It was my personal observation that their society
has an organization very similar to our own American society or
to the societies in western Europe.
Karma One : Do the Tall White have some kind of religion or
metaphysical conception of the universe?
Charles Hall : I have no idea. They never discussed religion or
philosophy with me. However, as I describe in "Millennial
Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "Rite of Passage", and in
"Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the chapter
entitled "Olympic Dreams" when The teacher was talking with the
other Tall White aliens, she told them that I believed in God
and they all understood what she meant. A significant number of
events of that type convinced me that they do have a religion
and are naturally religious.
Karma One : Did the Teacher ever tell you if other human beings
like us exist in other region of the universe or are we quite
unique?
Charles Hall : Yes. As I stated in my answer to question #4, I
quote from "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the
chapter entitled "Landing Lights"
"Are there many planets like the Earth out in space?" I asked.
"Yes," she ( The Teacher ) responded. "There are quiet a few.
However, humans are the only people that we have seen who live
so closely with their animals. For example, you feel comfortable
milking cows, riding horses, and playing with dogs. Every one of
those animals could kill you, but you naturally use your
intelligence to determine how each of those animals is thinking.
Then you naturally take control of them. Only humans do that. On
most planets, once people become intelligent, they don't want to
have anything to do with the animals that are much less
intelligent then they are, so they kill them off.
"Also, humans will eat almost anything. On all of the other
planets, the intelligent people will only eat plants. We, for
example, only eat plants."
Karma One : You say that "they fear our intuitive ability and
extra sensory perceptions". Can you explain that point? Are we
so intuitive toward them?
Charles Hall : I think what I actually said was that the Tall
Whites are envious of our ability to mentally multi-task. They
themselves seem to concentrate on only one thing at a time.
Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. The Tall Whites
are physically more fragile than we are and therefore are afraid
of us, just as we humans are naturally afraid of gorillas in the
jungle. That fear has nothing to do with intuitive abilities or
extrasensory perception.
They are also afraid because we are
completely at home here on the planet earth. We, as humans, are
naturally built to survive here on the earth. We understand the
animals and feel comfortable handling them. We fight with each
other and then laugh it off and become friends. Our bodies can
take tremendous physical damage and heal quickly. We handle bee
stings, minor dog bites, being kicked by a mule, falling off
logs, etc. We enjoy watching, playing, and laughing at brutal
contact sports such as football and ice hockey. They can't do
any of those things.
They consider the earth to be a "… cold and
desolate wilderness."
We kill each other every time we have a
war. The Tall Whites view humans as rather rough and tumble
creatures, who happen to have discovered how to make nuclear
weapons. It is little wonder then, that they are naturally
afraid of us.
Karma One : The Tall Whites seem to have telepathic abilities
and they seem to like Mind control. They can read our Mind? At
long distance or at close range? Is it a natural ability or they
need some technological tool to perform that?
Charles Hall : As I describe in my books of the Millennial
Hospitality series, The Tall Whites can only read a human's mind
if they are using their technology. In particular, they had to
be wearing one of their electronic communication devices. The
longest distance that I ever personally saw it operate at was
one and a quarter miles. It frequently happened, especially
during the daytime, that many of the Tall Whites would come to
where I was and they would not be wearing their electronic
devices.
On those occasions, if none of them had learned to
speak English, the only way to communicate with them was using
hand signals – pointing, gesturing, etc. If they chose to
electronically hypnotize a human, they had to use one of their
microwave based electronic devices. In that case, the human was
simply hypnotized, exactly the same as if, say, he had been
hypnotized by a magician during a stage show. I note that The
Tall Whites have hearing at least as good as that of a dog.
Like
a dog, or a rhinoceros, they appear able to hear sounds whose
frequencies are too high for a human to hear. I believe that,
like a Rhinoceros, their vocal cords can also make sounds that
are too high for a human to hear. This means that when several
of them came around to where I was, they could talk between
themselves using sounds that I could not hear. On those
occasions, if a human didn't realize what was happening, it
would seem as if they were practicing telepathic communication
between themselves.
Karma One : Do you know what kind of technology the Tall Whites
exchanged with the Air Force: Aircraft, weapon, mind control
related technology?
Charles Hall : The Tall Whites were only willing to exchange
technology with the US Military if it was to their advantage to
do so. I am certain that technology relating to the building of
better radios and electronics in general was one area where the
Tall Whites and the US Military exchanged technology. Creating
better quality building and construction materials that could be
used to repair their Deep Space Craft was another.
The Tall
Whites naturally benefited if we humans were capable of
building, and constructing trade items. They were willing to
exchange information relating to medicine, food, clothing,
electronics, nuclear reactors, scientific details relating to
our solar system and nearby solar systems, creating better
metals, ceramics, and plastics.
However, the Tall Whites had no
desire to exchange technological secrets relating to
anti-gravity drive, travelling faster than the speed of light,
or to various forms of advanced weaponry. They greatly preferred
to form joint teams with the US Military where the Tall Whites
provided and operated the Deep Space craft, handled all of the
building & repair of the anti-gravity drives, the propulsion
system, and the advanced weaponry.
Karma One : Was the central US Government, the CIA etc aware of
the existence of the Tall Whites and the existence of a mutual
agreement? Or is it just a private agreement, some kind of skunk
work between the Air Force and the Tall Whites?
Charles Hall : I am quite certain that the Tall Whites have
several agreements with the Highest levels in the U.S.
Government, including with the US President, the US Congress,
the US Air Force, the US Military, and with the CIA.
I am quite
certain that the Tall White leaders have met with the highest
leaders in the US Government, the US military, and the CIA
including The US President, several of the highest ranking
Senators and Congressional leaders, the highest ranking USAF
Generals, and the highest levels of the CIA .
I am quite certain
that all of those leaders were well aware that they were meeting
with the Tall White Extra-Terrestrials.
Karma One : Do you ever regret having lived this kind of event
despite the fact that it was such a trauma?
Charles Hall : No. I have never regretted having lived these
events. If given the choice, I would without hesitation relive
them again, painful as they were. I have always been very proud
of the service that I rendered my country.
If given the choice,
I would gladly do so again, even if it meant reliving both the
bad times as well as the good.
