Review of 'Edgar Cayce's Atlantis and Lemuria' - The Lost Continents in the Light of Modern Discoveries

by Frank Joseph
November 2001

A.R.E. Press

Preliminary Remarks

Some A.R.E. members will like this book (Edgar Cayce's Atlantis and Lemuria: The Lost Civilizations in the Light of Modern Discoveries) because of the author's fluid writing style.

And except for the fact that there are a number of references to an author named "Cerve," whose book is not listed in the bibliography, the text is well edited. There is an annoying lack of maps, however.

Maps are needed because the geographically wide-ranging text often carries the reader into unfamiliar places.

In spite of the authors engaging exposition, there is much that readers familiar with the 'Cayce readings' will find contentious, confusing, or just plain wrong. To begin with, Frank Joseph's writing sometimes exhibits what can best be described in present-day parlance as "having an attitude."

We first noticed this characteristic in his review of a meeting of archaeologists in July 2001.

Mr. Joseph writes of the academics present in this vein:

"The presenters were all hard-core members of the Scientific Establishment, something of a club one joins upon university graduation. You are expected to support your colleagues' research, and they yours. If you don't, you'll be tossed out, and your tenure snatched away (see Ancient American, v. 3, issue 19/20, p. 72)."¹

Now I'm not an archaeologist, but I associated with several of them in graduate school.

I think they would find it contentious to learn about the above-described mutual-protection society operating in their profession. Also, just how do archaeologists make any progress if they go around protecting each other all the time?

As for geologists, when Joseph finds that they do not agree with him on a position he favors, he ridicules them as "university-trained debunkers" (p. 20). But when he needs geologists to help make his case he refers to "what modern geologists tell us" (p. 93).

But the best example of Joseph's support-seeking from geologists is to me, a geologist, exemplified when he writes (p. 25):

"Cayce's account of major geologic upheavals in ancient times was verified by a 1958 Ph.D. dissertation entitled "Earth Changes."

After comparing fifty representative examples of Cayce's life readings dealing with planetary upheavals to modern knowledge of the earth sciences, the report concluded,

‘Most of the readings on pre-historical subjects were given in the 1920s and 1930s, and were all on file before 1945.

It is thus clear that the majority of the psychic statements antedate nearly all of the striking discoveries recently made by such youthful fields of scientific endeavor as deep-sea research, paleomagnetic research, and research on the absolute age of geologic materials.

Whereas the results of recent research sometimes modify or even overthrow important concepts of geology, they often have the opposite effect in relation to the psychic readings, in that they tend to render them the more probable.'"

I recognize this quotation by Joseph because the words are the same as those that I wrote 43 years ago in my booklet, "Earth Changes: Past - Present - Future." ²

Incidentally, my Ph.D. was granted in 1956, not 1958, and my Ph. D. dissertation was not entitled "Earth Changes." Indeed, I had not written a page on the subject until 1958. Here, Joseph seems guilty of both sloppy research and an excess of creative imagination.

Also, to say that I verified 50 accounts in Cayce's readings of major upheavals in ancient times significantly misrepresents the substance of my booklet.

Now that we have established Mr. Joseph's credentials as a no-nonsense basher of credentialed geologists and archaeologists, and as one who casually misrepresents the works of others, let's see what capabilities he brings to interpreting the Cayce readings on Atlantis and Lemuria.

The Cayce Readings vs. Joseph's Thesis of Ancient History

First and foremost, Mr. Joseph's ability fairly to interpret Cayce's readings is seriously compromised by the view of ancient history that he brings to the task.

In his Introduction (page xiii) we learn that Joseph believes that the end of Atlantis occurred "at the end of the Late Bronze Age, around 1200 B.C." He has believed this for over a decade,³ and this is his agenda.⁴

Trouble is, this date is 8,700 years out of step with Cayce's approximate date of 9,900 years B.C. for the final destruction of Atlantis! (Refer to readings 364-4 and 288-1).

Wouldn't you think it incumbent on Joseph to spend the remainder of his book elucidating this monstrously important discrepancy? After all, the cultural and geophysical events surrounding the 1,200 B.C. date become the prism through which he analyzes all of Cayce's Atlantis and Lemurian readings.

Should Joseph not make extensive and careful comparisons between Atlantean pre-historical events based on Cayce's readings and those cultural and geological events that form the foundation of his Late-Bronze-Age historical agenda? But no.

He simply passes over the 8,700-year age discrepancy by simply asserting that the Egyptian high priest who narrated the story of Atlantis to Solon,

"spoke in terms of lunar years while the Greeks [Solon, and later Plato] knew only solar years. The discrepancy perpetuated itself whenever numerical values were mentioned. Given the common error in translation, the hitherto unmanageable date [of Cayce's'] comes into clearer focus…"

Although Joseph amplifies a bit on this thesis (pp. 93,94) in his chapter entitled "Cayce's Dream of Lemuria," he does not make anything like a comprehensively convincing case that the final destruction of the Atlantis of Cayce's readings is equivalent to the demise of a Late Bronze Age citadel.

Joseph's inadequately supported position for a the final destruction of Atlantis around 1,200 B.C. leaves the reader in a limbo of intense confusion, unable fully to comprehend either side of the contention that the author posits at the outset of his book.

Ancient Poseidia Was NOT Located In The Bahamas

Chapter 3 of Joseph's book is entitled, "Did Cayce Predict The Discovery of Atlantis?"

To answer this question he looks first to evidence for Atlantis at Bimini, two small islands in the northwestern Bahamas about 55 miles east of Miami.

A central point of Joseph's examination is based upon a presumption that Bimini,

"anciently belonged to the western portion of the Atlantean Empire known as Poseidia… In 1933, Cayce described it as ‘the sunken portion of Atlantis, or Poseidia, where a portion of the temples may yet be discovered, under the slime of ages of sea water - near what is known as Bimini, off the coast of Florida'."

(440-5)

We disagree with this interpretation of reading 440-5, as discussed below.

There was no ancient "Atlantean Empire known as Poseidia," according to a strict interpretation of the readings.

After the original continent of Atlantis split into five islands around 17,400 B.C., when much of Atlantis near the Sargasso Sea "went into the depths," the largest and most important of the remaining islands was Poseidia.

As to the location of Poseidia, we said in our review of Issue 1 of A.R.E.'s Ancient Mysteries newsletter:

"Here is the reading for the gentleman who in a former incarnation on Atlantis had been involved with the use of the firestone, or great crystal.

This energy-concentration and energy-transmission device was also known in those times when it was employed for destructive purposes as ‘the terrible crystal.'

Note: I have added numbers in brackets to help readers separate the phrases that describe the three different prime locations of the crystal-construction information.

This reading has to be "parsed" because the original punctuation can easily be misinterpreted to make no sense relative to reading 2012-1.

Reading 2012-1states unequivocally that the records of Atlantis are in three places, the Atlantean land that sank and which is rising again, the Egyptian land, and in Yucatan.

Furthermore, the Bimini area is not of "the sunken portions of Atlantis, or Poseidia" (see point 1 just below), but the Azores area may have been. Also, the Azores may be rising again (2012-1), which the Bimini area most emphatically is not).

"About the firestone that was in the experience did the activities of the entity then make those applications that dealt with both the constructive and destructive forces in the period…

"As indicated, the records of the manners of construction of same [the great and terrible crystal, or Tuaoi Stone, or firestone] are in three places in the earth, as it stands today:

in the sunken portions of Atlantis, or Poseidia, where a portion of the temples may yet be discovered, under the slime of ages of sea water

near what is known as Bimini, off the coast of Florida

in the temple records that were in Egypt, where the entity later acted in cooperation with others in preserving the records that came from the land where these had been kept

Also the records that were carried to what is now Yucatan in America, where these stones (that they know so little about) are now - during the last few months - BEING uncovered.
440-5; December 19, 1933

Figure 1 - The Bimini Islands on the Northwestern Bahama Bank,

and Probable Location of the Remains of a Temple Built By the Poseidians.

Reading 440-5 is the only one that indicates that any kind of records are stored in the temple near Bimini, or in any other supposed Atlantean structures in the Bimini area.⁵

And these records are specific to the methods of construction of the great crystal, or firestone. We don't know just where this temple is located, but the shading on Figure 1 above, is a best-guess as to the probably area in which it might be found.

We show rather convincingly, we believe, that location 1 in the quote from 440-5 is the present Azores area, if indeed Cayce's readings and Prof. Zhirov's treatise⁶ have any validity at all.

We thus reject Joseph's unsupported assertion that ancient Poseidia is the same as the Bahamas area.

It's easy to understand, however, how Joseph made his interpretation because the reading is difficult to understand unless it is interpreted in relation to other relevant readings.

Also, the author may have been confused by reading 996-12, which says:

(Q) Is this [the Bimini area] the continent known as Alta or Poseidia?

(A) A temple of the Poseidians was in a portion of this land.

Now just as, say, the Mormons have their headquarters in Salt Lake City, they also have a temple in Hawaii.

Could not something similar have been the case for a Poseidian temple in the Bahamas, far to the west of the island of Poseidia in the area of the Azores? (The Mormon and the Poseidian temples would each be roughly 3,000 miles away from their corresponding "home bases").

In spite of the complete lack of readings' evidence that Bimini was Poseidia, Joseph continues with his unfounded assertion throughout the text.

In his chapter on "The Great Lesson of Atlantis," he makes the following statement (p. 187):

"He [Cayce] identified the Bahamian island of Bimini with ancient Poseidia, where, in fact, the underwater Road was found just when he said it would be.

The credibility of this feature has been substantially enhanced by supplementary discoveries of,

colossal square columns found at the same depth along the Moselle Shoals, about three miles northeast of Bimini

an upright stone pillar at the southwestern end of the island

sunken structures resembling hexagons and the letter "e"

side-scan sonar images of apparent staircases with rectangular foundations under water

white sand effigy mounds in the configuration of a 500-foot-long shark, a cat, and other, less identifiable figures at East Bimini."

To these assertions, composed at the least of unverified speculation and at the most of outright fabrication, we respond as follows:

There is NO reading that specifically identifies Bimini with Poseidia.

There is NO reading that predicts that an underwater road is to be found near Bimini, let alone in a specific year.

The fact that the "colossal square columns" are really just non-rectilinear granite chunks that are intermixed with, and partially on top of, modern, steel ship and engine parts makes the Moselle Shoal "discovery" almost certainly modern. It seems to have nothing whatsoever to do with Atlantean remains.

The "upright stone pillar at the southwestern end of the island" is probably little more that a 4-to-6-ft-tall sponge that appeared as a "pillar" on a side-scan-sonar record that resulted from navigating the sonar tow-fish in such close proximity to the target that it made it seem disproportionately large. The "pillar' has never been independently verified by visual means, but divers attempting to do so did discover the sponge in the immediate vicinity.

While the "sunken structures resembling hexagons and the letter "e" show no hard evidence for being other than patterns of seagrass against a white, sandy bottom, attempted verification by investigators of the side-scan-sonar images, supposedly depicting "staircases with rectangular foundations under water", found only shallow ledges and pockets on the sea floor.

Any proof that the "white sand effigy mounds in the configuration of a 500-foot-long shark, a cat, and other, less identifiable figures at East Bimini" are man-made features is yet to come. (If one sees clouds in the sky that resemble various animals or objects does that mean the resemblance is other than coincidental?)

What about the Cayce reading that says:

"Poseidia will be among the first portions of Atlantis to rise again. Expect it in '68 and '69; not so far away"?

(958-3)

Joseph thinks that the reading fragment indicates a Bahamian location for Poseidia.

This surmise of his is critical to several aspects of his central thesis. We will now show that his is likely not a valid interpretation.

Consider first the following reading.

It was given on June 28, 1940, for a 31-year-old divorced woman who had been told that she was currently undergoing difficult times.

For, the entity is one of those from the Atlantean activities; and thus, in a manner, will be one that will either advance through the hardships and disappointments which have arisen, and may arise, or that will allow such to become the stumbling stones for the bringing of disturbances to make the entity dissatisfied; and thus losing the opportunities that are given each soul.

The relevant part of the reading goes:

Not that these will always be material conditions, for they - too - will pass.

In that experience the entity was among the children of the Law of One who accepted and forsook much of those activities because of its close associations and companionships with one of the sons of Belial [those who had no moral code].

This brought consternation to the entity, and also those influences the application or use of which brought destruction to the land. And Poseidia will be among the first portions of Atlantis to rise again.

Expect it in sixty-eight and sixty-nine ('68 and '69); not so far away!

We interpret this reading to mean that the entity was living in Poseidia (now in the area of the Azores) during the time of its final destruction. If so, did anything at all happen in the Azores during 1968 and 1969 that might be related to the beginning of a gradual (1602-3) rising of Poseidia?

Only a major earthquake in the heart of presumed (and now submerged) Poseidia. (See Fig. 2 below).

Fig. 2

Physiographic Reconstruction of Poseidia (called here Poseidonis), after Zhirov, p. 362.

Note the Location of the Major (M7.6) Earthquake of 1968.

Recall too this reading fragment,

"And Poseidia will be among the first portions of Atlantis to rise again.

Expect it [to begin clearly to rise?] in sixty-eight and sixty-nine…."

(958-3)

Has any oceanographic institution made two or more adequately time-spaced bathymetric surveys of any part of the ocean-floor area of Figure 2 above, that might corroborate, or refute, whether or not the sea bottom has risen there within the last 40 years or so?

We doubt it. And so, this prediction of Cayce reading 958-3 remains untested. In any event, we maintain,

1 - that Cayce reading 958-3 which predicted the "rising of Poseidia" did NOT mean that the Bimini area was to begin to rise in 1968 and 1969, and

2 - that since nothing rose from the sea in the Bimini area during that time it is pointless for people to waste time and effort investigating either natural or man-made superficial features of the Bimini offshore areas.

The places to search will be,

"...that along the north and eastern shores of the north and northern portion of the south island" [for they are predicted to reveal] "many various minerals, and various other conditions that will be remunerative when the projects are undertaken; and well that the ones that do such labors - as the dredging as necessary ..be followed close in their operations, for these will uncover many various conditions…"
(996-12; March 2, 1927)

A modest proposal do such dredging is given on page 187 of Hutton's book.⁷

The Bimini Road

In his opening description of the so-called Bimini Road, Joseph refers to its "huge" square-cut blocks.

The blocks, known to geologists as beachrock, however, are generally at most no more than about 10 by 10 ft wide and 2 to 3 ft thick. It seems a stretch to call such stones "huge." Big maybe, but not huge.

Furthermore, they are pillow-shaped in cross section, their originally right-angled corners having been trimmed back, chiefly by boring mollusks and sea urchins. All of the blocks are of coarse-grained limestone lying on a stratum of denser limestone of finer grain.⁸

And there is no evidence that the road has a man-made identity, as claimed by Joseph.

Such an assertion has been denied by virtually all geologists who have studied the submerged formation. Joseph, however, launches into a series of undocumented and un-referenced assertions to the effect that,

"skeptics" [who are they?] "chose to ignore anything [of what nature?] which postdated their pronouncements" that the structure is a work of nature, not man.

Joseph talks about adjacent stones in the road containing different geological components, but gives no information about where samples were taken, who made analyses, or what exactly was found relative to these "geological components."

He pointedly ignores the work done in 1979 and 1980 on two areas of the beachrock formation by Marshall McKusick and Eugene Shinn,⁹ an anthropologist and a geologist, respectively.

These scientists took 17 oriented cores of the limestone boulders and examined them with X-radiographs.

The cores from both areas showed,

"slope and uniform particle size, bedding planes, and constant dip direction from one block to the next.

If the stones had been quarried and re-laid there is no reason to suppose bedding planes would carry stratigraphically from block to block. The sedimentary laminations clearly show that these were not randomly laid stones but a natural, relatively undisturbed formation."

Using C-14 dates from eight samples, and in consideration of the worldwide rise of sea-level in the Holocene, the scientists determined that,

"The rate of submergence [of the formation], over [a period of time] 2,200 to 3,500 [radiocarbon] years [ago] would account for 5.58 to 7.22 feet of the 15 feet of submergence."

Thus Joseph's "Road" is a quite youthful example of a submerged beachrock formation, and it has nothing to do with the Atlantis of Cayce's readings.

The scientists also note that,

"the road's hairpin curve is not continuous and parallels the existing headland on shore."

This shoots down another of Joseph's ridiculous claims, one in which he implies that because the beachrock formation is not parallel to the present shoreline [and if it is not a road after all] it is somehow a man-made quay or harbor wall. Thus, thanks to McKusick and Shinn's observations, the often mentioned "mysterious J curve" in the formation is natural as well.

Joseph claims that divers found granite in the vicinity of the Road.

We presume that he is unaware that the Corps of Engineers in Miami once paid a contractor for a load of shipwreck granite to be transported from the "Road" area to a jetty under construction in south Florida.

This section of the book reminds us of after-dinner story telling at best.

Joseph says that,

"sometimes the blocks are placed one atop another."

Well, Harrison and his associates never saw such in their 1969 surveys, but they did pick up a broken piece of one of the blocks and set it on top of its parent block.

Is that what Joseph's un-named "investigators" saw?

Later, he says,

"Beach rock comprises a single layer, compared to the three and four layers of stone in the Road... [and]... the Road's blocks are several feet thick."

[Please show photos or other evidence, because there are NO places that we know of in this formation where there are "three and four layers of stone"!]

Then waxing archaeological he says, without providing any evidence,

"The Road also contains several angular ‘keystones' with notches to fit into tenons, a prehistoric building style encountered among the Andean walls of Cuzco, Sacsahuaman, or Machu Picchu".

(p. 21)

This leads him to a line of "similarity speculations" that move quickly to Roman ruins in Morocco and to Inca stonework in the Andes.

Joseph even provides a photo of the pre-Inca fortress of Sacshuaman in Peru, which he says,

"displays stonework reminiscent of the Bimini Road."

The photo he provides shows truly huge boulders that appear to be about five ft high, composing a wall five courses high.

The 25-ft-high wall is NOT reminiscent of the so-called Bimini road, except perhaps in the mind of a person who thinks differently than a university-trained, "debunker" geologist like your intrepid reviewer.

Our last comment about the Bimini Road relates to Joseph's statement that

"The Lucayans also knew Bimini as ‘the Place of the Wreath (or Crown),' which may refer to the Road's originally circular configuration."

Good heavens!

Is Joseph saying that a relatively short, straight stretch of submerged and decaying beach rock was once part of a circular road? Mercy, mercy!

Joseph's Crystal Skull is not Cayce's 'Terrible' Crystal

Roughly seventeen percent of Joseph's book is devoted to the great and terrible crystal of Atlantis and to the famous crystal skull found in 1926 by the daughter of F.A. Mitchell-Hedges while he was involved in excavating Mayan Lubuaantum in Central America.

One wonders why so much space was taken up. This finally becomes clear at the end of the three chapters that are devoted to crystal considerations. First, Joseph deduces from the works of others that the quartz crystal skull is that of the Maya's Ixchel, wife of the man who built Yucatan's magnificent Chichen Itza.

As the author says,

"Regarded as the founders of Mesoamerician civilization, the couple arrived at Yucatan after a great natural disaster far out at sea."

Then, in a leap of unbounded speculative energy, Joseph avers that,

"With Ixchel, the Atlantean aspects of the Crystal Skull are apparent. Even her sky serpent conforms to leading theories concerning the demise of Atlantis, which describe the catastrophe as the result of earth's close brush with a comet.

Its meteoric material bombarded the surface of our planet, triggering geologic consequences for the ultimate destruction of Plato's island… [and] ... certainly, no other known object more resembles that civilization's Tuaoi stone, the 'mighty, the terrible crystal' described by Edgar Cayce as the chief instrument of the Atlantean catastrophe."

Once again, a reader familiar with the readings' story of Atlantis is forced by Mr. Joseph to try to fit his understanding of Cayce's demise of the continent into a wholly new framework advocated by the author.

For Joseph is talking about the end of Atlantis as being in 1,200 B.C., not 9,900 B.C.

To Joseph, the demise of Atlantis is that of a Late Bronze Age citadel, and the end comes by "meteoric bombardment," not by the wasting away of the land and subsequent sinking beneath the sea.

Joseph is not talking about Cayce's readings (364-4, 288-1) that speak of a 12,700 to 9,900 B.C. period of,

"...WASTING away in the mountains, then into the valleys, then into the sea itself, and the fast disintegration of the lands," and then the sinking of the last island of Poseidia below the waves.

There is a picture of the crystal skull in Joseph's book.

The caption reads,

"Is this ‘the terrible, mighty crystal' of Atlantis described by Edgar Cayce?"

Our answer, "No, it is not!"

Variations of the design and uses of the great crystal are well discussed in the readings and there is no need to pretend that the readings' crystal is anything at all like a quartz-crystal skull.

The key reading that discusses the great Atlantean crystal, and which mentions the variations in its nature and use over time, is 2072-10. This reading, and the findings of Dr. John Sutton, now retired from NASA, show that the Atlantean crystal of the Cayce readings and the Mitchell-Hedges' artifact have nothing whatsoever in common.

The reading begins:

Q. Going back to the Atlantean incarnation - what was the Tuaoi [pronounced "too-oye"] stone? Of what shape or form was it?

A. It was in the form of a six-sided figure, in which the light appeared as the means of communication between infinity and the finite; or the means whereby there were the communications with those forces from the outside.

Later this came to mean that from which the energies radiated, as of the center from which there were radial activities guiding the various forms of transition or travel through those periods of activity of the Atlanteans.

It was set as a crystal, though in quite a different form from that used there. Do not confuse these two, then, for there were many generations of difference. It was in those periods when there was the directing of aeroplanes, or means of travel; though these in that time would travel in the air, or on the water, or under the water, just the same.

Yet the force from which these were directed was in this central power station, or Tuaoi stone; which was as the beam upon which it acted.

In the beginning it was the source from which there was the spiritual and mental contact.... First it was the means and source or manner by which the powers that be made the centralization for making known to the children of men, and children of God, the directing forces or powers.

Man eventually turned this into that channel for destructive forces - and it is growing towards this in the present.

The A.R.E. Journal for January 1974, carried an article entitled "The Tuaoi Stone," by Dr. John Sutton, a NASA employee.

After an exhaustive study of all of the readings on the Tuaoi Stone, Sutton drew the following picture of this power source. (Note especially point 3).

The "stone",

became hot when used

it was large

it received its energy from the Sun and from elements that are and are not found in the Earth's atmosphere

it consisted of prisms or a "glass"

it employed induction method

it employed a kind of wave energy other than electromagnetic

the energy could be emitted in a beam to which water and other matter is transparent

the beam was invisible

the beam transmitted enough power for the needs of a city

it could be used to retard the aging process

it consisted of two separate pieces - a cylinder and a capstone

the energy produced was concentrated between the two pieces

representations of it will be found in Yucatan

the crystal was cylindrical, six-sided, or was of hexagonal cross-section

light waves were used for communications with extraterrestrial intelligence

misuse, accidental or otherwise, of the Stone caused [two] geological upheavals

Hyping the Yonaguni Colossus?

Finally, speaking of pictures, there is another in Joseph's book that is worth mentioning. Our Figure 3 below, is a duplicate of the figure in Joseph's book. The rock face is, supposedly, possible evidence for lost Lemuria.

It is located underwater near the Japanese island of Yonaguni, about 80 miles east of Taiwan. Joseph describes it as,

"A colossus under some twenty feet of Pacific Ocean near Yonaguni.

Although the authenticity of this photograph is unconfirmed, it may represent the most dramatic visual evidence for the sunken site's man-made identity.

The stone head appears about thirty feet tall, but its style and headdress resemble no known provenance."

Figure 3

(Left) Heavily retouched photo used in Frank Joseph's book representing

"the most dramatic visual evidence for the sunken site's man-made identity".

(Right) Unretouched photo of exactly the same scene

but showing none of the artistically created features.

Rhetorical Questions and a Recommendation

The foregoing review, while not comprehensive, shows that there is enough material in the book that is contentious, confusing, or downright erroneous that almost anyone familiar with the relevant Cayce readings is prompted to ask,

"How did this book come to be printed under the A.R.E.'s imprimatur?"

Why wasn't the manuscript sent out to one or more competent reviewers for critical evaluation, prior to being edited?

What does it say to new members, to say nothing of those members that have been with the organization for some time, to receive a book of such poor quality as an A.R.E. Sponsoring Member "benefit"?

One might reasonably conclude that the organization's management has no interest in cultivating a membership that can think critically or that can appreciate the results of carefully researched work.

This perception can be mitigated by the emplacement of adequate review procedures for all manuscripts submitted to A.R.E. for publication.

Mr. Joseph is editor of the Ancient American magazine. This quote is from Atlantis Rising, 2001, no. 30, p. 24.

The quote is from the abstract (p. 2) of Anonymous, 1959, A.R.E. Press, Virginia Beach, 23451, 80 pp.

Frank Joseph (FJ) was interviewed by Linda Moulton Howe (LMH) on 11/19/01, as reported in her Update On Underwater Megalithic Structures Near Western Cuba

LMH: HOW FAR BACK WOULD YOU PUT THIS [Atlantis] SINCE PLATO SAYS, GOING THROUGH SOLON AND IN THE CRITIAS, '9000 YEARS,' AND THAT WOULD PLACE IT AT ABOUT 11,500 YEARS AGO?

FJ: No, that's another story altogether. My colleagues and I have worked very hard since the 1980s on these dates. And those dates are a mistake, that was a mistake in translation.

The Greeks used a calendar that was very similar to ours. They used a solar calendar of about 365 days. A standard solar calendar. The Egyptians used a minimum of five different calendars, including a solar calendar.

Their priests and holy places where they had the story of Atlantis which was at the holy place called the Temple of Knife in Egypt. They used a lunar calendar.

We concluded that the Egyptian priest, when he said 9,000 years, is talking about lunar years and not solar years. There is abundant evidence to show that is exactly what he was saying. And the Greeks, when they heard this, they thought solar years.

So when Plato - all of the numerical values in the Criteas and the Timaeus are totally inflated beyond reality. They do not work with the description that Plato gives. Plato describes a late bronze age citadel or city.

There was a huge gap in knowledge between Plato's and Solon's time and what happened in Atlantis. Because we now know that when the Bronze Age stopped suddenly around 1200 B. C., that for the next 400 years at least there was a period of profound Dark Age...

There was a symposium of archaeo-astronomers back in 1997, not New Age people at all, in England, in which they found that probably the greatest natural catastrophe human beings ever witnessed was around 1200 B. C.

And that was when two or more comets, including Haley's Comet, converged in the skies over earth and showered the world with a barrage of asteroids and meteors that pushed human beings to the brink of extinction.

And Atlantis was especially hard hit because there are two Swedish physicists, Thomas Larsson and Lars Franzen, who established in 1997 that several asteroids - I'm not talking about meteorites - several asteroids! collided in the eastern Atlantic precisely in the location of Atlantis and that is why we can explain why an island the size of Atlantis which was 6,000 square miles - it was not a continent, it was a big island.

And it was destroyed. If you have an island out in the middle of the water and it's hit by several nuclear blasts at once, the chances of that thing being around are slim."

Interestingly, R. Malaise, in a monograph entitled Atlantis as a Geological Probability (1951, Stockholm), as cited in N. Zhirov's, Atlantis (1970, Moscow, Progress Publishers) wrote in a similar way some 50 years ago.

Zhirov writes,

"Malaise dates the final subsidence of Poseidonis [Poseidia] as 1200 B.C., linking this date up with the invasion by the ‘peoples of the sea' in the region of the Mediterranean."

Ancient Mysteries asserts,

"Much exploration has been done in the area of the Bimini Islands since discovery of the so-called Bimini Road in 1968. The Cayce readings had predicted the discovery of ruins in that area during that year."

But there are NO Cayce readings that predicted the discovery of ruins in the Bimini area in 1968. NONE.

Zhirov, N., 1970, Atlantis, Progress Publishers, 438 pp.

Hutton, W., 1996, Coming Earth Changes, A.R.E. Press, Virginia Beach, VA, 23451, 346 pages.

Harrison, W., 1971, Atlantis Undiscovered - Bimini, Bahamas, Nature, v. 230, no. 5292, p. 287-289.

McKusick, M. and E. Shinn, 1980, Bahamian Atlantis Reconsidered, Nature, v. 287, no. 5777, p. 11.

Return to Lemuria or The Continent of Mu

Return to Atlantis