Sophie Shevardnadze: Dr. Steven Greer, director of the
Centre for the Study of Extra-terrestrial Intelligence, welcome
to the show, great to have you with us. So Dr. Greer, you say
that we are not alone in the universe, and there have already
been many contacts between us and aliens.
You got to admit, though, that for most people this claim is
pretty far out. What can be done to prove once and for all that
the aliens are real and already discovered?
Steven Greer: Well, that's a great question, and, in
fact, that has happened.
If you look it, there's a documentary
that's just been released in 2017 called Unacknowledged. And
it's the first word in Unacknowledged Special Access Projects,
which is a term used in the military of the United States for
very top-secret projects dealing with the UFO and
And you'll see that there we have over 950 top-secret military
people who come forward with testimony documents, photographs,
we have even done analysis on an extra-terrestrial biological
And there's incontrovertible evidence that we're being
visited. And frankly, everyone in very high-ranking classified
projects know this.
The public hasn't been told because they wanted to keep these
secret for reasons of technology and the macroeconomic
The secrecy has really nothing to do with
the, quote on quote, aliens, it has everything to do with the
geopolitical power and money, as usual.
SS: We're going to get to geopolitical power and why
we're covering up the aliens because of that, but still,
wouldn't you expect an event of this cosmic magnitude to be
pretty much impossible to cover up?
SG: It hasn't been.
I mean, one of the interesting things, at
least in the United States and most countries, more than half
the people believe we're being visited, 65% of the public
there's intelligent life out there.
In fact, 43%
of Americans believe that
we're currently being visited,
non-human advanced civilizations.
So people use the word cover-up, but in reality, it's hidden in
plain sight. You need to make a distinction between official
acknowledgement of something and what the public already knows.
My job... I'm an emergency doctor, trauma, but I left my medical
career to expose this big cover-up, as you call it, some years
ago, and we've put together this positive proof and evidence.
You can go to our website,
siriusdisclosure.com, and you will
see thousands of pages of government documents and dozens of
top-secret military testimonies of the facts.
And so I tell
people, this is not about a belief system, it's about what the
Now, the question that you're asking is why haven't official
governments acknowledged this. That is a different question from
whether or not the subject has been
working for over 25 years to disclose this information, and the
public has accepted the fact that we're not alone in the
Universe, the vast majority.
In fact, if you look at the, even on Unacknowledged, this
documentary, it's on Netflix now, around the world, it's had
tens of millions people see it.
And on pirated sites, probably a
hundred million people.
So what I point out to people is that
this information is out there, but the governments have not seen
fit to officially recognize it because it would disrupt the
SS: Alright, so let's take a look at the world picture that you
are painting, and ask some questions about that. First, are
aliens just visiting Earth, or they have settled here
SG: No, these are reconnaissance, and
civilizations that are
visiting the planet certainly increased after we started
detonating atomic weapons, there's clear evidence that they have
a concern about our destructive capabilities and weapons of mass
destruction, and if you look at the modern era of sightings of
so-called UFOs, those increased markedly after we developed
atomic and nuclear weapons, and the hydrogen bomb.
That's a fact, and we have many top-secret witnesses who were
present at nuclear facilities where these extraterrestrial
vehicles would come in to observe and to see what we're doing.
So I think there's... There are a lot of people, like, of course,
the science fiction, who'd make you think that there's a risk of
some kind of alien invasion or threat.
It's the other way
around, we're viewed as the threat, the human civilization right
now is viewed as a very unstable civilization that has not
attained a peaceful world situation, which should have happened
at the end of World War 2, and has not yet happened.
So I think that these civilizations are waiting for us to grow
up as a civilization, and until then, there's not going to be
any overt action by them unless some catastrophic event was to
SS: So how many different alien species are here, visiting
Earth? What do they look like? What's their culture like? What
methods of communication do they prefer or use?
SG: Well, these are all really complex questions, number
The last I heard is that there was documentation of more than
five dozen different civilizations or different species, and
they range from all kinds of shapes and sizes.
Many of the
spacecraft that have been seen are not the typical round UFOs,
some are triangular, some are circular spheres.
These civilizations range from hundreds of thousands to millions
of years more developed than ours, and it appears that they are
working somehow together in observing the planet.
caricature of, so to say, an alien that's been put out there,
that's mostly a counter-intelligence perspective that has been
done by the CIA.
To be honest with you, I would say that most of the information
people see out there on the subject is disinformation created by
the intelligence community for its psychological warfare value.
But the ETs themselves, these
civilizations range in... Some have
been documented to be as short as a foot, foot and a half tall,
and some that are more than 12 feet tall.
And there are
different species from different star systems.
Now, the communications, this is where it gets interesting.
Because you and I are talking at the speed of light, basically,
electromagnetic, or less. If you're dealing with civilizations
from another star system, certain technologies are phasing
trans-dimensionally, across dimensions, beyond the speed of
Now, this has been something that is not wanted to be exposed,
because it has huge implications technologically.
we often would say, the state of the art method of communication
for us is an iPhone or a telecommunication system, or a
satellite system. Those are actually very antiquated systems
based on mid 18-hundreds to late 18-hundreds telecommunication
radio frequencies etc.
We're dealing with civilizations that are communicating with
technologies that go beyond the speed of light, but also
interface interestingly with directed and coherent thought.
you have to ask the question:
What is the speed of consciousness
So this gets into some very advanced concepts and post-quantum
mechanics, and so-called entanglement, where you can go beyond
the speed of light, which has theoretically been stated by
Western scientists not to be 'possible'.
But I would argue that it's only being argued from the point of
view of the myopia of the current scientific paradigm.
dealing with civilizations that are so far advanced than us that
almost any manifestation of how they might appear could appear
magical, but it's not, it's science.
SS: So if they're so advanced, and you are saying that the
aliens have visited Earth with reconnaissance missions, is it
just that, or do they want something from the planet? If a
civilization that manages interstellar flights exists, then,
that makes us a real backwater of space...
SG: Yes, it is, except, here's the problem:
we're going into
space, aren't we?
We have a space station, we're going
with unmanned and, eventually, manned vehicles, we've landed on
the Moon. My uncle helped design the thing that landed on the
Moon with Neil Armstrong in it, the lunar module.
What I tell people is that when we start going into space,
combined with weapons of mass destruction, a red flag went over
the Earth that said:
we are at the point where this
could potentially be a problem...
So I believe that we're viewed
as a problem civilization that's in evolution.
And the big task for humanity is to go from a fractured, you
know, ape-like civilization where we're fighting each other over
stupidity to a peaceful civilization that goes to space
When we reach that hallmark, that milestone, then
you're going to see a much more open contact occur from these
other civilizations and the human species.
SS: So, according to your words, there's this special
organization that keeps the lid on the UFO story. But surely
aliens would not just stick to America, and if they are out
there, other major governments of the world should have been
aware of aliens too. So is there an international secrecy
agreement, or each government has their own alien policy line?
SG: They are. It's a transnational organization, so let me make
a distinction between international, something like the United
Nations, and transnational.
Transnational, it sort of transcends
geopolitical boundaries, and, for example, we have documents
that show that the old KGB in Soviet USSR had cooperation with
US intelligence on this issue back in the darkest days of the
So, in fact, secrecy on this issue has been maintained
by a cooperative entity that is multinational and transnational
for many decades.
Now, the crown jewel of the activity on this subject has been in
the United States because of the technology and just, frankly,
the macro-economic clout that the United States
But other countries
have certainly had... I mean,
we've had, for
example, Chile and Brazilian military files have opened up
recently, where they have acknowledged chasing these objects
with their jet fighters.
We have footage that has been given to
us from Chilean generals recently, of these ET objects being
chased by their jet fighters.
In Mexico, we have similar footage.
So a number of countries
have actually cooperated with opening up their files, but the
real research and development projects have been centered in the
high-tech corridors in the United States and in the very
classified projects which are properly known as the
Unacknowledged Special Access Projects, or
And there are
corollaries to those in Canada and the United States, the United
Kingdom, and, I would suppose, to some extent, in Russia and
China, although to a lesser degree.
Certainly, countries all over the world have a prevalent
interest in having this information come out, because the big
talk is about climate change, the so-called
global warming and
The fact of the matter is, the technologies
for going from one star system to another involves very advanced
science and physics, that would get us off oil, gas and coal
But therein lies the problem:
it's a multi-trillion dollar
economic question of bringing out this information.
we're not alone in the Universe, and they're
here, the first thing a scientist is going to say to any
government official is:
what technology are they using to get
When they ask that question, it will be answered, when
it's answered, it's the end of oil...
SS: The documentary based on your book, "Sirius", starts with
the premise that the power of oil corporations is what is behind
an unfair financial system that benefits the few - and leaves
the American middle class in the dust. Is this whole UFO thing
really your way of expressing extreme frustration with what is
going on in the normal world?
SG: No, it's just an acknowledgement that the world is a faint
shadow when it could be if the technologies that we've been
developing over the last fifty years in classified projects were
I mean, we're all using jets and cars, oil and gas,
and we don't need them. We haven't needed them for decades.
It's the decision that has been made because to bring out these
new technologies would be too disruptive to the current
And I think, this is the debate that needs
to be joint because people are increasingly getting concerned
over the climate change and pollution and deaths related to air
These are all solvable problems, but they are not going to be
solved by tinkering around the edges with solar power or wind
We need really bold new scientific discoveries that have
been studied for many decades in classified projects brought
forward to benefit the human species.
SS: In one of your main theories you suggested that the powers
that be don't want the public to know because of oil revenues - alien technology would kill oil business. But some governments
like oil revenues and others don't, for instance, China would be
very happy if it didn't have to buy oil, so it can't all be
about that, can it?
SG: It's about the macroeconomic system that is dependent on the
petrodollar system, and that's from Bretton-Woods at the end of
World War II, if you look into history...
Even countries who are
not oil net exporters, for example, China or Japan, tied into
the macroeconomic system that is very dependent on the current
energy and industrial paradigm and in particular the
These are the things that would change very quickly
the Disclosure of the fact that we're not alone in the
We've been studying and we've figured out how these machines
Let's be very frank:
they're not using Exxon or Jet-A
fuel, or Russian or Saudi oil to go from one star system to
another, this is common sense.
And the people, I've spoken to in
the research and development world in classified projects, and
as I've mentioned, we have over 900 of these top-secret
whistleblowers on our team, it's quite clear that these
technologies have been fully developed, but bringing them out
would disrupt the status quo.
So, the big economic interest all over the world would have to
adapt very quickly to a whole new economic system.
SS: You also say that American president is not being told about
all such findings. You even prepared a special briefing for
President Obama and you spoke before Congress - how did it go?
SG: You know, what I found is that everyone wants to know.
in Washington right now about this issue. It's the biggest
non-secret that ever was. Everyone knows that this is going on.
All the way back to when I was first putting the briefing
together for President Clinton and his CIA director, it was
well-known that there are deep secrets on this issue.
the most part the elected officials at least in this country
aren't given control over these projects. If you doubt that, go
remember what Jimmy Carter said after he became president, when
he tried to look into this.
When someone asked what it's like being the most powerful man in
the world he said:
"I wasn't that man because there were things that they wouldn't
tell me about and I had no control over."
So this is a really
big problem for a democracy and for governance all over the
world - this level of secrecy.
And it's reached the point at
least in the United States, in UK and a number of other
countries where the secrecy isn't in itself criminal, I'm saying
this very specifically, and has subverted the constitution, the
rule of law and proper oversight.
And this is what we found with President Obama, with Clinton.
And also if you look all the way back to the time of
he got very frustrated dealing with this issue, and this is why
he made his
famous speech "Beware the military industrial
He was a general, he wasn't anti-military, nor am I,
I'm from a military family.
However, there are interests that have become very undemocratic
and have been a threat to the world freedom and also now to our
geophysical existence in terms of the biosphere that have been
allowed to go on for way too long.
And this has been a problem
all the way back to President Eisenhower in this country and
similarly in other countries around the world - this level of
SS: Alright, tell me this, if this story is kept so
secret that even presidents are not informed about the issue,
why are you still alive? Why are you allowed to make
documentaries that stream on Netflix? The CIA has killed people
for way less than disclosing a huge government cover-up...
SG: Yeah, and there were three people on my team who had
been assassinated, who had been helping me, including a former
And I don't want to go into that right now.
we have systems in place to protect what we're doing. I have a
lot of information that if something happened to me it would hit
the internet and it would be catastrophic for those folks.
That's just something we put in place about 20 years ago.
My view is, and this is the other thing, there are people in
Pentagon and CIA that I dealt with who are very much in favor
of Disclosing this information.
So this is not a monolithic
vs. them, there is a huge number of people who are on the side
of bringing this out all over the world.
I have a friend of mine,
Carol Rosin, who's worked very closely
with senior Russian contacts who want to see this Disclosed for
the same reasons we do.
So we have similar people in China,
United Kingdom and Canada.
So I don't think it's a monolithic
issue, it's a very much in flux.
What I'm seeing is that this isn't going to happen until people
become aware that this is a serious problem, but it also has
within it serious solutions for the world's environmental and
governance issues and economic problems around the world.
SS: There have been high ranking military and government
officials coming forward talking about aliens for about 60
years. I spoke personally with a former defense minister of
SG: Oh yes, he's a friend of mine.
SS: Right, he told me there are dozens of alien species visiting
this planet. None of them were able to provide hard,
undisputable, evidence, but I just want to know, how many
witnesses there needs to be? Does it really take an alien saucer
landing on Red Square or Pentagon for everybody to acknowledge
the existence of outer civilizations?
SG: No, it doesn't take that.
However it does take people get
educated in a way that's meaningful. This is why we're putting
out this educational films and products.
I think that
Paul Hellyer, the Minister of Defense of Canada, a very good friend
of mine, he and I held a press conference in Toronto, and I was
one of the people to introduce him to this subject.
And he knows
this for a fact that he was kept in the dark as Minister of
Defense of Canada.
I've dealt with the Minister of Defense of Great Britain, Lord
Hill-Norton, a 5-star admiral, who also was lied about these
projects. Now, in terms of hard evidence, we have them. I have
radar traces, and I have traces of physical material. When you
say we don't have physical material and evidence, we do, but who's
looking at it? Who's exposing it?
There should be a series of shows that does nothing but putting
that forward. That's what we've started to do because those
exist - not just government documents and testimonies, but
physical evidence such as radar tracings.
Recently the Pentagon released a radar case off the coast of
California where one of our fighter jets tracked one of these
objects moving in a way that no conventional aircraft could
possibly move, and this was in The New York Times, and CNN and
My point is that there's a huge amount of evidence like this and
even physical hard evidence.
We have it, I've been accumulating
it for decades. The question is who's going to do a story on
this? Ultimately what happens is that at least in the United
States if you start doing a deep dive into the evidence on this
that show is going to be cancelled.
Everyone thinks we have a
free press in America, we do not. We have a managed press.
And if CNN started drilling on this subject they would be told
to stand down off of it. And I've seen it happen. ABC News was
pursuing this with us, I gave them 35 hours of digital tape of
top-secret testimony and hard evidence, and the executive
producer of ABC News was told:
"You will not be
allowed to do this story."
So there's a myth around the world that the media is somehow
completely free, the big mainstream media are free to do this.
And this is not the case. If you look at the documentary
"Unacknowledged" we have an Air Force intelligence official who
"We used to bring
in US bags of cash to people in the media to secure their
co-operation in keeping this stuff secret."
This is the fact...
This guy's testimony is there for everyone to see. And he worked
for many years in a classified project on the Kirtland Air Force
Base managing counter-intelligence in trying to stop leaks on
These facts are out there for the public to see.
Now I hope, people will look at it. And I think, people need to
understand that we need to create a new type
of media that
actually is honest and will tell the truth to the public about
SS: Alright, Dr. Greer, thanks a lot for this insight and the
interview. We were talking to Dr. Steven Greer, director of the
Center for Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, talking about
alien civilizations and our prospects to get in contact with
them any time soon.
SG: Thank you.