Adam Walton: […] I think that record
met the approval of our next guest on the program. What if
everything you think you know about the world is a lie? Would we
be able to perceive the truth if it was shown to us? Ancient
Civilizations, Hyperdimensional Realities, DNA changes, Bible
conspiracies - which are true and which are deliberate
disinformation? Laura Knight Jadczyk says she has the real
answers, and, believe me, if you read her book, ‘The Secret
History of the World and How To Get Out Alive’, you’ll know that
the truth is far weirder than fiction. Laura joins us now from
our Paris studio. Welcome to the program, Laura.
LKJ: Well, hi, thank you for having me.
AW: First and foremost, Norman Greenbaum’s ‘Spirit in the Sky’,
I believe you enjoyed that.
LKJ: I love that song; it’s one of my favorites.
AW: Excellent, I think we chose it especially for you, Laura,
that’s about as, uh, as creative as we get on this program
sometimes. Now, I felt very guarded about using the term
conspiracy theories. I wasn’t really sure how to bracket your
book, as it were, do we need to be able to bracket your book, to
bracket your writing, to be able to fit it into a genre or a
pigeon hole?
LKJ: Well, it’s really very difficult. It’s difficult for me
because, for example, you refer to conspiracy theories and a
theory is something that is based on a certain number of
concrete observations or facts. You don’t form a theory until
you have collected, uh, facts and data and if you’ll notice, I
have a, you know, a fifteen page bibliography in there, or maybe
sixteen page, that includes the literature that I went through,
uh, in order to collect the data that is included in the book.
The book is heavily footnoted. Uhm, it does not, uh, get into
any kind of material that is not fact based. And, it is just the
interpretation of those facts that is somewhat different;
because, you know, you can take the same facts and interpret
them any numbers of ways. But, generally what happens is people
interpret facts and exclude some in favor of others because
there are those inconvenient facts, which Charles Fort called
the ‘damned data’. And the only kind of explanation that you can
come up with for this world that would make any sense is one
that includes all of the ‘damned data’.
AW: Hmmm, it’s funny that you should mention Charles Fort, we
interviewed someone about him not so long ago on the program,
and of course, he was another maverick, I mean, do you, do you,
if I called you a maverick? Is that a difficult, or, uh, title
that you don’t feel fits you very well?
LKJ: Well, maverick is probably pretty good because I definitely
do not go along with the herd and I don’t even go along with the
herd of the so-called alternative theorists. (laughs)
AW: Hmmm, well I’ve not had an opportunity to read the book
myself, and I feel as though, I like to be able to do that,
especially in these situations, because I feel the easiest thing
to do, whenever anyone expounds theories that go against the
grain, or go against the norm is almost to pour scorn on them.
In a situation like this, Laura, do you feel defensive? Have you
gone through a lot of experiences where people aren’t actually
prepared to listen to what you have to say, and would more,
rather, kind of pour scorn before they give you a chance to
explain yourself?
LKJ: Well, as I mentioned, I write some things that are counter
to even the alternative theorists of today, so, I get scorned by
the scientific community, to some extent - they have a little
more difficulty, actually, scorning me than the alternative
community because I support what I say with so much data - but,
the alternative community, of course, it was quite a surprise to
be so viciously attacked by those types of people and also the
so-called new age community.
So, and, then, of course,
naturally, the religion, the religionists, uh, Christian,
Muslim, Jewish, it doesn’t matter because they’re all based on
one single document, which is the bible and, I pretty much, uh,
dissect the bible in this book and explain things in ways that
are more comprehensible. It’s not even a new way of approaching
this semi-legendary, semi-mythical material, it’s something that
Mircea Eliade, an historian of religion did extensively many
years ago; and I quote him extensively, as well as other
historians of religion.
So, I get attacked by people in religion, people in the new age,
people in the scientific community, although, like I said, the
scientific community pretty much leaves me alone. (laughs)
AW: Well, they appreciate the rigorousness of your work, I would
imagine.
LKJ: I have a lot of scientists who are fans, actually, some of
them covertly. They will write fan mail to me and ask me to
please not reveal the fact that they, you know, enjoy my book so
much.
AW: Funny, a lot of the correspondence I get for this program is
along similar lines, I wonder why? But, as far as the book is
concerned, it is an attempt to - well, not an attempt, it
rewrites human history - so it’s difficult for me as the
interviewer, really, to focus in on any one point where you
could perhaps give the people listening an insight into the
dramatically different way that you interpret the facts that you
mentioned earlier, so is there, perhaps, a best part of history
where we could start?
LKJ: Well, the fundamental thesis of the book is that our
reality is projected from, or embedded in, a higher or
hyper-dimensional reality, and that what we perceive with our
senses, you know, the, - the three dimensions of space and the
four dimensions of space and time - are not all there is. And
that, you know, even when we try to measure things that come
from these other realities with our limited three-dimensional
instrumentation, they fall short; you know, you can’t even go
there.
So, that’s the fundamental thesis, so taking history,
taking the data that we have about human history, some of which
is extremely mysterious; some of which is baffling, some of it’s
very shocking; putting it together, you begin to see a pattern,
a flow, of something that enters and exits our reality in a way
that, uhm; if you’re familiar with the story ‘Flatland’ where,
where the plane being, where the fingertips are put on the plane
and what you see on the plane are round circles. And, if the
hand were to be put through a membrane, you would just see, you
know, circles going through, until the hand actually coalesced
into a larger object, but to the beings of the membrane, it
would never be anything other a circle that appeared and
disappeared in time.
So, our reality is something like that and that there are
denizens of this other reality that are perceivable to some
people through history, and, they’ve - down through history -
they’ve referred to them as gods or goddesses, or, uhm, you
know, forces, beings, whatever; and they ascribe to them powers,
appearances, you know, based upon how they read them. I don’t
think they necessarily are amorphous either, and that’s, that’s
where the new age community has completely gone astray, by
thinking that anything outside this reality must be amorphous,
must be a spirit. It doesn’t have to be a spirit at all. Just a
slight shift in the dimensional reality and you have a
completely other reality that is as physical as our own.
AW: Ok, Laura, from the point of view of the basic science,
really, behind this, the idea of a parallel universe is
obviously one that is very common amongst physicists, and I
believe your husband is a world renowned physicist as well?
LKJ: Yes, he is.
AW: So, at least from that particular foundation, there would
appear to be great scientific support for your theories. Why is
there, then, resistance from all of the bodies that you
mentioned, if this is almost explainable.
LKJ: Well, as I said, people who are attached to their religion
don’t want a rational explanation for, for what happens. People
who are attached to the new age; the new age is really little
more than a variation on the old standard religions, I just call
it new age fundamentalism. The scientific support that I get is
really kind of unique because it comes from odd and unusual
places. And then there are, of course, many people in the
scientific community who just reject it out of hand. There is
one of my husband’s colleagues who jokes that he does
world-class mathematics on odd days and channels on even days.
So, we have an interesting life in that respect. So, I think
that some of the rejection comes from some of the inspiration I
use to follow these clues.
AW: And, obviously, people have vested interests in preserving
their own version of the facts, which is incredible. Now you
mentioned multiple realities, why is it important for us as
humans to try to question or determine a reality that is beyond
our own? In other words, we can’t actually change the other
reality, or change our own reality, is there any point in you
making the voyage you have, as it were?
LKJ: Well, there is nothing that says that we can’t change it if
we know about it and understand it. What you don’t know can
definitely hurt you, especially in this respect. Uh, one of the
things that really got me going many years ago was that I would,
you know, I would read these so called conspiracy theories, and
I would follow each theory as far as I could follow it - you
know following a paper trail - and I always came up against a
dead end. I mean, it was like, you would take it as far as you
could go and then it was a dead end. It was like, ok, beyond
this, there is a mystery.
And, yet at the same time, you could
look at the vast pattern of history and you could see that, you
know, that there was a strong indication that something was
maneuvering things toward a particularly directed end. And yet
there was no possibility in my mind, after following all these
many trails, that this could be a human conspiracy, because
human beings simply, simply can’t conspire over thousands of
years; they can’t keep something going that long. They, they
work on immediate, uh, immediate reward, they want, you know,
cause and effect, if I am going to do something, I want my
reward in this lifetime.
And, uhm, so, there is no possibility that any of these
conspiracies could be human originated and that was, uh, that
was where I was for a long time. And then I began to think about
manipulations from other realities. And then, of course, it was
when I got into my channeling experiment, because I was very
frustrated at that point, because I could go no further.
I mean,
I had, I had, I had pretty much exhausted everything; I had
exhausted the normal avenues of, of information and I had
exhausted the so-called paranormal avenues of information and I
kept coming up against that funny thing that Charles Fort said,
you know, he says, “I think we’re property”. And it struck me,
uh, that is exactly how it appears, when you look at this vast
sweep of history, it’s as though we’re one big experiment.
AW: Well, and, and who is, you know, perpetrating the
experiment?
LKJ: Who perpetrates it? Well, I would suggest that it is
denizens of this other reality that are referred to by the
ancients as gods, and nowadays, of course they, they may refer
to them as aliens. I don’t think they’re aliens. I don’t think
they come from other planets. I think they are hyperdimensional
beings and I think that they’ve been here for many thousands of
years, if not for all of human history. There are records of
lights in the sky and strange beings that are similar to, you
know, what are called aliens down through history.
Jacques Vallee referred to it as
a control system. Control system, hyperdimensional reality; it’s pretty much the same thing.
AW: Hmm, I’m just wondering why, you know, why they would appear
to be so fascinated with us, especially over such a long
protracted amount of time. Clearly, I don’t know what their
intentions are, so it’s difficult to try to gauge that, or even
if they do have intentions like human beings have intentions.
But what do you hypothesize is the reason that people might want
to manipulate us in this way, or, I’m sorry, beings, might want
to manipulate us in this way?
LKJ: Well, the evidence strongly indicates that we are food for
them.
(long silent pause)
AW: Uhm, what evidence suggests that?
LKJ: Well, the evidence of, say for example, wars, and plagues
and famines, and, uh, the… and I’m not saying that we are
physical food necessarily, I’m saying that, you know, energy,
energetic food, emotional; that pain and suffering is something
they uh, they feed on, that gives energy to them. Just as the
movie ‘The Matrix’, you know, said that people were in pods and
their emotional energy produced energy for the system, for the
machine, that they were batteries, it’s very similar, that we
are, in essence, a, uh, a power supply.
AW: Well, if we, the, the, the human way of maybe responding to
something like that, to maybe analyze it scientifically,
typically, is to try to look for, perhaps, an example within our
universe. So to look at maybe, you know, a microcosm within, I
don’t know, the flora or the fauna that we research and I, I
can’t think of anything, you know, and I’m sure you’ll correct
me. Or at least an example within our universe of an ecosystem
that behaves in that way, where you put things kind of under
stress rather than just eating them or devouring them, it seems
a…
LKJ: Think of the cat and the mouse. What does the cat do with
the mouse?
AW: He plays with the mouse.
LKJ: I mean, is it necessary for the cat to play with the mouse
before it eats it?
AW: No, it’s not (laughs) that was a very, yeah, that’s a very
obvious example isn’t it? A very good example. So, is the point
then that they need to kind of maintain us, and keep us here,
keep us going as a food source in the same way we try to sustain
our own food sources?
LKJ: More or less, and I think that in many respects, they cut
us some slack, you know, they make sure we know enough to create
a civilization, to feed that civilization, to build that
civilization up, to increase the numbers of people in that
civilization; and then, to put people into conflict with one
another so that they fight and kill one another so that there is
massive pain and suffering.
AW: Do you find this, I mean, having come to this conclusion, do
you find that, I don’t know, a depressing thought? Or do you
think it’s empowering because it removes us from some of the
ways that humans have sort of been stuck to over the millennium,
I mean, how do you feel having come to that conclusion?
LKJ: Well, in the beginning, it was extraordinarily depressing,
as you, as you might imagine. And, you know, it was… Somebody
asked me, you know, after all these years what have you learned?
And I said, well, I’ve learned that there is no free lunch in
the Universe and if you think there is, then you’re lunch. And
also, we are not at the top of the food chain.
And, that was pretty depressing for a period of time, and then I
finally began to work my way through that and I went back and
started searching the literature for evidence of anyone who had
found their way out of this, this - you know, had they realized
this situation; had they understood it - what clues were there,
and what conclusions did they come to and was anybody able to,
to overcome it, to escape it, so to speak?
And, clearly, there are individuals in history; and you’ll
notice that the book has a thread all the way through it of
alchemy. I believe that alchemists were among those who were
able to not only come to understand the system, but were able to
step outside of the system, to be able to access
hyperdimensional realities. Because all of these things, that
uh, these special powers that so-called alchemists were be able
to achieve, have to do with mastery of space and time, which is
what you achieve when you, uh, achieve the ability to step in
and out of the hyperdimensional realities.
So, there are alchemists, there are some types of yogis, there
is, uh, there is the ancient material that was brought to the
West by Gurdjieff, by Mouravieff. There is some very ancient
literature that speaks to these matters and talks about people
who have escaped. And that’s why there is a subtitle to the
book, you know, ‘and How to Get out Alive’, because I do address
that. You know, I mean, I don’t want to tell somebody, you know,
hey, you’re in a, in one hell of a situation, without telling
them, you know, there is a way out.
And it isn’t… the way out is
not in believing your way out, because believing your way out is
what they want you to do. As long as they can get you to believe
something; as long as they can invoke your faith, in some pie in
the sky idea that you’re going to change your reality by, by
believing it, or you’re going to get raptured to heaven when
Jesus comes, or, uh, when the Mahdi comes, or whatever. You
know, that keeps you complacent. Because…
AW: But, but, but, in that case, then, we live, at least I would
imagine it’s the same in the States and in France where you are
at the moment, but certainly in this country, we seem to be
living in an increasingly secular society, you know, an
increasingly less complacent, uh, society. And, fewer people
subscribe to those points of view. So what is the, the, you
know, belief system that we have at the moment that makes us
fodder for these hyperdimensional beings?
LKJ: I would say that I don’t necessarily agree with you. Now,
I’m from the United States and I lived in the Bible Belt, and,
if you’ve noticed,
George Bush has a great deal of support among
fundamentalist bible believers, who actually believe that if
they push the envelope on Armageddon, it will force Jesus to
come and rapture them. They really believe this. I don’t know if
you have anybody in your family who subscribes to these types of
beliefs, but I do, and they sincerely, truly, believe that.
And, interestingly, the ideas of the rapture originated in
Wales, I don’t know if you’re aware of that or not.
AW: No, no, I didn’t know that, no.
LKJ: Yes, they, they originated in some fundamentalist type
churches that, uh, went into some charismatic type activities
that were accompanied by strange phenomena, including lights in
the skies. At the same time, all over England, there were
strange sightings of black cats, black dogs and, uh, other
unusual what you would call hyperdimensional window-fallers;
creatures that would slip between dimensions. So, it was an
extremely unusual event that this belief system was introduced
there, at that time, accompanied by these types of events, which
is, once again, a little bit of evidence of the
hyperdimensional
manipulation.
AW: Hmmm, ok, but I’m still, I would still maintain, I mean, you
know, obviously, within my experience, there is no one in my
family who has those kinds of fundamentalist views, but I would
suggest that even those, you know, the people who hold those
views in the Bible Belt in the States, it’s still a minority of
the population. So, I’m just wondering when does that kind of
spiritual void, if it’s that kind of thing that these beings
feed off of, if we’re becoming, you know, less complacent, as it
were, then we’re, we’re kind of failing as a, as a food source.
LKJ: Well, I don’t think we’re failing…
AW: So, what will they do about that?
LKJ: Because, it’s as much a belief, uh, science is as much a
religion as Christianity is. And, you can believe all you want
in the power of science, and it’s not going to save you if you
don’t acknowledge that science itself has its limits.
AW: Ok, well, yeah, but there’s a rationality to science that,
well at least, I don’t have experience with it any other way,
that precludes it from forming the kind of conflict that you’re
talking about, though, that these beings feed off. I’m still,
maybe I’m focusing too much on this idea that it’s the conflict
that these beings feed off of. We’ve become a, I mean, clearly
there are examples in the world at the moment where there
appears to be more conflict than there has been before, but
we’re a more peaceful planet, aren’t we - as a whole, than we’ve
been at most points in the past?
LKJ: Are you living in the same world I’m living in?
AW: No, I’m not, but I’m not living during the Second World War,
I’m not living during the First World War.
LKJ: Well, what I mean is, if we’re sitting…
AW: I’m not living during the great plagues or the great
tribulations that have shaken, you know, human history in the
not so distant and the distant past.
LKJ: But we’re sitting here on the… we’ve got a lunatic sitting
in the White House in the United States and we’re sitting on the
verge of global nuclear conflict, and don’t ever think that he’s
not going to try it, because he is.
AW: Yes, but that’s scare mongering…
LKJ: It’s not scare mongering,
the man is a psychopath; he will
do it.
AW: Ok, well we’ve been…
LKJ: He will do it.
AW: well, I think…
LKJ: Take it to the bank.
AW: I think from a factual point of view, we’ve been a lot
closer to nuclear apocalypse in the past. That doesn’t mean to
say that we need to be, uh, you know, complacent, to use your
own words, now, but I think that, that, I don’t think it’s out
of order for me to say that that’s scare mongering language.
LKJ: Well, look at the United States; it has turned into a
fascist police state. The U.K. is practically a fascist police
state, I mean, you know, it’s, it’s everywhere.
AW: I think anyone who lived in, uh, Nazi Germany or lived in
France under the occupation would, would definitely react
against that statement.
LKJ: I don’t think so, I…
AW: Wouldn’t they?
LKJ: No, I absolutely do not think so, I have studied this
extensively, and the comparisons between Nazi Germany and the
United States today are vast and numerous.
AW: Do you have, uh, secret police that, that, uh, takes people
in the middle of the night and they never reappear?
LKJ: Apparently they do…
AW: In large numbers?
LKJ: Well, they’re starting to get the numbers larger and
larger; they’ve got a place called Guantanamo. It’s just the
beginning.
AW: Ok, well that’s uhm, you know, it’s an interesting way of
interpreting things. If we move on, though, and look maybe in
the deeper and more distant past, I believe that, uh, you know,
that the roots of your book go back into ancient civilizations.
LKJ: Yes
AW: And, obviously, I’m assuming, civilizations where we don’t
have a great deal of documentary evidence as to how they
functioned, and an awful lot of that is conjecture. So, what
have you interpreted from, from the ancient civilizations?
LKJ: Well, the one thing that I looked at particularly was
myth.
And, if myth is the survival of this ancient technology that
I’ve theorized to have existed, based on certain archeological
finds that I enumerate in the book, it seems to me, that… For
example, the myth of Perseus… Perseus was given a pair of
sandals that helped him to fly and a, a helmet that gave him
invisibility and various, you know, accoutrements that helped
him accomplish his, uh, his particular mission to cut off the
Gorgon’s head.
Now, a lot of anthropologists say that these
kinds of myths developed, you know, as a way to explain the
forces of nature. But, if you’re just explaining the forces of
nature, and you have a, say, a super being who can fly, why do
you want to put sandals on him to give him that ability to fly?
Why can’t he fly without sandals?
Because, there certainly are other mythical beings who are able
to fly or to transport themselves hyper-dimensionally. They
don’t need sandals. So, essentially, what you’re looking at is
you’re looking at a technological object that enables this
person to fly. Then, of course, there are the, you know, the
Vedas where they have these
Vimanas, these ships that they would
fly in and engage in what, uh, what seems to be
nuclear war.
And, if you look at these myths, for example, the, uh, the
series of, of Grail myths, there are… there is a lance, there’s
a cup, there’s a, uh, a, a platter, a talking head. You know,
there are several elements to the, to the Grail myths, all of
which, if you understood them properly, might indicate an
ancient technology. And, I, I go into that in the book to some
extent to try to show how, if a civilization ended, uhm, and
the, you know, all of the infrastructure of that civilization
came to, you know, came to… was destroyed, essentially, how the
survivors would tell the stories about what civilization was
like to their children, to their grandchildren. And how, after
several generations, these stories of this ancient culture, this
ancient technology, would be transformed into myth.
And that, that is what I think we see when we see these ancient
myths of flying and special powers and mastery of space and
time.
AW: Mmmm, and you mentioned archeological evidence, uh, what
kind of archeological evidence are we talking about? Because,
obviously, you know, I’m obviously, you know, I’ve obviously,
I’ve been to Stonehenge, and just the very fact that we still
don’t know why these amazing edifices were created thousands of
years ago, of course there are strong theories, but what would
your theories be?
LKJ: Well, I would say that Stonehenge itself is an energy
accumulator and it probably worked with human beings as part of
the machinery. They interacted with the stones to gather the
energy, or to gather it into themselves. It was a, uh, a human hyperdimensional interface. One of the ancient legends is that
the god Apollo danced at Stonehenge every 19 years, there’s an
18.5 year cycle between the Earth, the Moon and the, and the
Sun, which is, you know, a three body system that every 19
years, or 18.5 years, it returns to the same position. And, at
those times, there is a theory that, uh, during those times,
that a gravitational node, uh, exists at a certain point between
the Earth and Moon, which could be a doorway to hyperdimensional
access.
So, if they’re talking, if they knew, in those ancient times,
about this particular three body system cycle, and they talked
about the god Apollo dancing at Stonehenge every, you know, 19
years, or 18.5 years, then they obviously understood something
about hyperdimensional realities.
AW: So, why have we become ignorant to this knowledge, what has
been the force behind that?
LKJ: Well, many times there have been events that happen on the
Earth that, uh, wipe civilizations out. I’ve just recently
finished reading an interesting book by a physicist, uh, his
name is Richard Firestone. And, he talks about the most recent
extreme cataclysmic event, which was about 1300, uh, 13,000
years ago, which is, which puts it right at the time of
Plato’s
Atlantis. And, uh, he goes through extensive, excruciating
detail, and he discovered and analyzed, all of the material that
shows that the entire planet was bombarded by a swarm of cometary bodies that exploded, you know, either in the air or
impacted.
He, he proposes that the southern end of Lake Michigan
is a cometary impact crater, and that there was one in Hudson
Bay, and he has found several others around the planet, and that
basically, at this point in history, nearly the entire human
race was wiped out as well as all of the mega-fauna of Europe
and North American, and South America too.
AW: And the knowledge was lost at that point…
LKJ: Well, certainly…
AW: And other points like that in human history…
LKJ: Yeah, I mean, if, if you’re… also another thing that
happened was that the sea level rose 400 feet, so the evidence,
you know, most of our civilization lives on sea coasts or, you
know, along sides of rivers, so your sea level has risen 400
feet since then, or at that time, uh, an awful lot would be
covered up. And, of course, if you have exploding comets in the
atmosphere, if you have hundreds of thousands of the
Tunguska
event, happening…
AW: Hmmm
LKJ: Now, imagine, because you look at the Carolina Bays in the
United States, and there are hundreds of thousands of them, and,
and actually, the Carolina Bays are not the only place in the
United States where there are these particular features. He
shows how they also exist all over the South West, that they are
also in the, uh, in, in other areas of the world, that there are
some of them even in Ireland, I believe. So, there, this was a
massive global event 13,000 years ago that almost literally
wiped out the entire human race.
AW: And, was that perpetrated by these beings, or was that…
LKJ: Oh, no, no, no, that was a natural cycle; those are natural
cycles. But, you see, they know and understand the cycles, and
then they do everything they can to keep us from knowing and
understanding those cycles.
AW: So it wasn’t a question where we got to the point where we
almost knew too much, and we were, uh, being reigned back as it
were?
LKJ: Well, you could say that, because, uh, it, maybe it’s just
a natural cycle that when human beings get to the point that
they can destroy themselves, then that’s just the way it
happens.
AW: Ok
LKJ: And that may be the point where we are now.
AW: So, do you, you know, having written a book and having
studied these subjects extensively, uh, your world view does
sound bleak, I’m afraid to say, Laura. Is that your feeling? Do
you feel as bleak as the very stark manner in which you
described the current state of, uhm, of America at this point in
time?
LKJ: Well, personally for myself, I don’t feel all that bleak
about it. I just do what I can to try to make as many people
aware of the possibilities as I can, and if, you know, more
people become aware, then they can possibly do something to
change it.
AW: So is your motivation to get them to change it within the
boundaries of how our society works at the moment, in a
political fashion, as it were? Or, is it to embrace, uh, this
more, almost more existential way of looking at ourselves and,
and the, our futures, as it were?
LKJ: I think the first thing we need is, we need to increase
scientific study of many, many things because science is the
only thing that is going to save us. And, we need to get
politics out of science, that’s the first thing. And, we need to
give them some freedom to work on what really matters, and to
quit controlling science, politically speaking.
And, then we need to listen to the consensus of scientists, and,
uh, I think that’s the first thing we need to do. And, as far as
politics, well, uh, I’m not too sure that anything can be done
politically. It’s uh, you know, I’m not really, I couldn’t even
suggest anything along that line, except to get rid of the
psychopaths. But, you know, that has to be done through science.
The only way you could deal with politics is through science.
AW: Hmmm, mmmm, indeed. And, what are you working on at the
moment? You mentioned that you were, at least you were in the
process of working on something at the moment, how do you extend
this work further?
LKJ: Well, I’m, I’m kind of zeroing in on one particular aspect
of something I mentioned in ‘Secret History’, which is the, the
origins of, of our religious beliefs, which is Judaism, which
began with, you know, supposedly, with Moses, Abraham, etc. And,
I am zeroing in on that, and bringing together a lot of
documentary evidence to explain exactly who, where, when, how
and why it happened.
AW: And, if, I don’t know whether you’re familiar with our
bookshops in, in the United Kingdom, I mean, if people come into
a bookshop, as I mentioned right at the start of our
conversation, uh, tonight, you know, books, like music, tend to
be grouped in pigeonholes. Where would people be able to find
your book in the bookshops, under what heading does it go? Is
that a cause of frustration? From that exhalation of breath, it
sounds like it might be.
LKJ: yeah, because there is so much science in it, yet there is
a certain amount of paranormal, there is para-science, there is
religion, there is, uh, alchemy, there is; it’s just, it’s just
really a no-niche book.
AW: It’s funny, whenever we talk about science, particularly on
this program, increasingly, uh, the scientists we talk to want
us to embrace science, I don’t know, more holistically, look at
it not as strict disciplines, you know, to make sure we are
aware that all of these things do join together.
LKJ: Right.
AW: So, is this a good thing, as far as you’re concerned, a good
thing, moving away from regarding the sciences as strict
disciplines and maybe realizing that they are actually all
intertwined?
LKJ: Absolutely, one of the big problems that I’ve seen as I’ve
gone through this scientific literature, and I’ve been able to
consult with scientists directly, for some of the material in
the book, and, uh, to ask questions and have my questions
answered by the experts in the field, and the one thing I’ve
noticed is, is that there is, you know, scientists in one field
don’t talk so much to scientists in other fields. For example,
lowest on my list, and I, and I really apologize to some of you
out there, but kind of lowest on my list are Egyptologists.
AW: Hmmm
LKJ: I, I have a, I am extremely frustrated with them, because,
you know, all of our history; our entire history, as we
understand it and know it, as it’s promulgated, you know,
popularly, is based on what Egyptologists decide about
chronology. And, Egyptologists really, really need to learn some
science.
AW: Hmmm, it’s a, it seems like a fundamental mistake. Laura,
thank you very much for coming in and talking to us tonight.
We’ve had a few text messages, but one I think I’ll definitely
bring up is, “this lady’s very brave and I congratulate her,
very strange subject and almost quite scary”. So, there is
definitely support for you out there. Thank you so much for
talking to us. ‘The Secret
History of the World and How To Get Out Alive’ is published by
Red Pill Press. Laura, thank you
for your time.
LKJ: And thank you for having me.
Posted by Laura Knight Jadczyk at
11:59 AM
Comments:
Anonymous said...
Nice... But...
As the program host thought of this 'doom and gloom' aspect to
your statements, the intent behind the discovery seems left out.
The sense of adventure and personal and public discovery... the
search for Truth.. the curiosity of the child within us all
that makes us 'wake up and smell the roses'.. as we find those
selfsame roses have thorns of their own... same as the young
Prince found with his. The quest of spirit as the energy of
creation seeks to 'know Itself' through us, the masks of the
Creator.
As we find that indeed we are the
dream and we are the dreamer.
When this sense of wonder is added to the equation, the
overwhelming sense of 'doom and gloom' fades away and the sense
of hidden potential is found. Much like a modern video game with
various levels of play, in which we find our boredom is a result
of having unknowingly been stuck at the first level of the
game.
A whisper heard faintly in the wind
of spirit through someone's words and suggestions can then lead
us to discover a secret hidden doorway out of this level and
into the next. And then the question is who wants to see where
it leads? Who is ready to take the leap? In a universe of
duality, our pain is but the doorway to our gain.
There cannot be one without the
other... or so it seems... until the game changes and we find
ourselves on another level of play... where the rules and the
field have changed... and then the same sense of curiosity and
wonder give us the energy of self-exploration yet again... with
the eyes and heart of the child... a play in which we each have
our parts to play... parts that change as do we... the simple
and the complex entwined like our DNA. A game of adventure.
Like all those Japanese ninja
cartoons or those recent Harry Potter stories... each has a part
in the adventure based upon the energies within them.
We have to discover which is our
part to play even as we play it, first unconsciously as we sleep
through life and then consciously as we awaken to the wonder of
creation around us full of the bold and the bashful, the good
and the bad, the ugly and yes, the beautiful... until we see
with eyes that see the beauty in all... never an easy task... a
challenge for the fool to make as it takes that leap into the
unknown adventure that awaits the child of destiny...or
something like that.
Richard said...
[quote=LKJ]
LKJ: Well, the evidence of, say for example, wars,
and plagues and famines, and, uh, the… and I’m not saying that
we are physical food necessarily, I’m saying that, you know,
energy, energetic food, emotional; that pain and suffering is
something they uh, they feed on, that gives energy to them. Just
as the movie ‘The Matrix’, you know, said that people were in
pods and their emotional energy produced energy for the system,
for the machine, that they were batteries, it’s very similar,
that we are, in essence, a, uh, a power supply. (Emphasis mine)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest something more
along the lines of ...Narco/Aphrodisiac.
At any rate, it is a pity that "our" desires and "theirs" just
so happen to be stubbornly... Mutually Exclusive!
All the best,
Richard
