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				Bill Deagle (BD): The key idea is this: You need to have a doing 
				in the spirit before you have a knowing. In other words, you 
				need to contact the Higher Self to say why... I’m a human-being 
				not a human-doing.
				
				In other words, you need to be where you’re supposed to be. You 
				need to be in the position where you’re supposed to be, and then 
				the things just unfold.
				
				Bill Ryan (BR): Yes.
				
				BD: And this is why all these things have happened to me. And 
				people say it’s impossible that all these things could happen to 
				one person. I say: Well, it happens because I hear and do. 
				Literally.
				
				As you know, the sister of Moses went before the council of the 
				people back in the ancient times and said, you know: Are we an 
				ear, and not only prophets?
				
				And the voice of god spoke through the pillar of fire and said: 
				There is not a man on Earth, hand to hand, eye to eye, mouth to 
				mouth, who does not speak as another man speaks to his brother.
				
				That’s the kind of relationship I have with God. I literally can 
				talk and hear him instantly, [snaps fingers] like that.
				
				Kerry Cassidy (KC): Mm hm.
				
				BD: But people need to know I’m not any better than anyone else, 
				but I am... If you knew my whole history, you’d say: Why is this 
				man called to do this?
				
				I’m called to do this because I’ve seen the face of evil. I’ve 
				seen it not only in myself, I’ve seen it in others. I have 
				chosen light, not to be a follower of darkness.
				
				I’ve had numerous opportunities. I’ve had an opportunity to 
				become a Breve Brother, a Knight of Malta, as early as this 
				year, earlier this year. I’ve had all kinds of threats. I’ve had 
				the Pindar come directly to me to say, you know, to be his 
				replacement as the CEO of Earth, Inc. and the Druidic Council.
				
				And there’s a lot of high-level Masons say: Well, I haven’t even 
				heard of that. Because they think they’re the ascended ones. 
				They have no idea what they’re serving.
				
				BR: Hm.
				
				BD: They have no idea. They need to repent right now. And, as I 
				say, if we can pray - and this is something we have to do. And 
				the most powerful thing we have is, I call it fore-give. The 
				word fore-give means to create.
				
				To fore-give means we need to pray for George Soros, who is 
				behind the 
				Blackstone Group and 
				
				9/11, and the current 
				derivatives crises that’s bringing the world down to a world and 
				regional banks, and trade zones that are going to cause the 
				death of millions and set the groundwork afoot for a pandemic.
				
				Because when starvation occurs, the population gets weakened, 
				and it’s the perfect groundwork, or cover, for a pandemic which 
				they’ve already weaponized.
				
				BR: Has that already been released? Or not released?
				
				BD: There are several avenues by which it can happen. Back in... 
				How long ago is it now? Gee... back in about 1995 I was praying 
				and I was told by the angel that I was supposed to go to Europe. 
				And I said: Well, where? And the lord said: You’re going to go 
				to Zurich.
				
				And I said: Well, I don’t know anybody in Zurich. So I had some 
				friends that were Canadians, that actually were in Halifax, Nova 
				Scotia, at the time and they had gone back to Austria, to Lake 
				Constance.
				
				And I said: Well, I’ll contact them... the Santoses. I said, you 
				know: You guys know Zurich? [They said]: Oh, yeah. We lived 
				there are awhile and we love it.
				
				So I started going through and googling, you know, checking out 
				things, trying to find out which organization. The lord said: 
				You’re supposed to contact these people here at 
				Human Life 
				International. So I speak to God, literally, and he tells me.
				
				So I contact them. I call this guy and he calls me back from 
				Zurich. And in a very German accent he says: Wonderful! We’d 
				love to have you come over and speak to our board.
				
				So we arranged tickets. We go and visit our friends in Austria, 
				and we go over to Zurich. And I told them what I was told, you 
				know - literally told - to tell them about was the cybernetic 
				super-soldier program, human genetic engineering, and the chimeric monstrosities they’re making in underground facilities. 
				And to speak against abortion and euthanasia, and selective 
				abortions which are... 93% of the abortions on Earth are female.
				
				BR: Hm.
				
				BD: OK? And so, after two and a half hours of me speaking to a 
				board of scientists - giant boardroom, you know, 24 doctors and 
				scientists, whatever, the International Board of HLI - they 
				said: Now you sit down, doctor. We give you things.
				
				And they went into another room and brought this stack, about a 
				foot of documents. I said: Well, what is this? They said: You 
				stay here. And they gave me some more water and whatever, and 
				they lectured to me for two hours.
				
				And they had documents there of the 
				
				weaponization of the avian 
				flu, smuggled out of the World Health Organization in Basel. 
				Actual documents. OK? That they had got gene bioengines, and 
				they had actually resurrected the corpses of people that died of 
				the H1N1 back in 1918, that they were paid for by 
				
				the Rothschilds... All this stuff!
				
				I’m totally in shock! I mean, these guys are telling me this 
				stuff. I’m thinking: Why am I in Zurich?
				
				And after they finished that, which was about 6 inches, then 
				they gave me documents, that they had these plasmid vaccines 
				that were injected every month. And they were drawing blood from 
				women in sub-Saharan Africa, testing to see if they create 
				antibodies against human chorionic gonadotropin to sterilize 
				them.
				
				And I had another 4 inches of documents that showed that AIDS 
				was completely weaponized by cross-genetically engineering 
				
				the Visna virus with other viruses. They gave me the actual 
				documents!
				
				So I’m sitting there kind of freaked out, you know, wondering... 
				And of course we went to dinner afterward with these doctors. 
				And they said: Now you bring all this – I brought it all back 
				with me, of course - to North America.
				
				But the thing is, back in... You see how God puts me in all 
				these positions. Back in 1974 I had finished a year of medical 
				school and someone tried to recruit me from a U.S. government 
				agency to take a year off medical school and go to Uganda for a 
				special virus project. Because I had worked...
				
				Before I went into medicine, I was working on my honors degree 
				and I finished my Ph.D. research project in 5 months, although I 
				didn’t write the thesis, for Dr. Robert Brown, who was one of 
				the doctors working on the T-virus project in Bethesda. So I was 
				already a bio-weaponeer. OK?
				
				KC: Mm hm.
				
				BR: And you turned that down?
				
				BD: I turned it down. I told them there was no way I was going 
				to do it. But I had recalled this from ’74 to 1997 when they 
				gave me all those documents, and here it was...
				
				I was also the whistle-blower that blew the whistle that the 
				Factor-8 that was used for hemophiliacs... I was the main 
				whistle-blower for the Canadian government and those lawsuits 
				that got all those doctors, that they were getting it and 
				combining all these Factor-8s...
				
				Because I had a pile of hemophiliacs when I was practicing in 
				Calgary that were dying of AIDS, specifically because they gave 
				them purposely-contaminated Factor-8.
				
				BR: Yes.
				
				BD: OK? And all these things, all my experiences from my life, 
				were laid out so that I would be what I am now, a beaten piece 
				of steel like a Samurai sword...
				
				KC: Hm.
				
				BD: ...hardened enough for the truth and willing to tell the 
				people the truth, to tell people that you need to make the right 
				decisions. You cannot believe your pastor, your rabbi, your 
				Buddhist master, your ascended masters, your ET contactees. You 
				need to contact your Self, the spirit of the Most High God.
				
				You need to analyze what’s going on in foreign policy and money. 
				For example, money, as Socrates says, only means exchange. Why 
				are we willing to do spending cuts that will starve people? Why 
				are we going to bail out 700 billion dollars to banksters that 
				are gambling on the future, that are going to guarantee that 
				we’re going to have a crash and the death of civilization?
				
				BR: Hm.
				
				BD: Why? And they know that starvation leads to war, pestilence, 
				and the crash of civilization. And it’s very fragile. And 
				they’re purposely bringing this about.
				
				This is the start... This phase right now, with the collapse of 
				the banks, this is the start toward world government, world 
				bank, regional currencies, chipping the population. And they’re 
				ready, probably by next year.
				
				I’ve already calculated, and have been told by my sources, both 
				natural and classified, as well as supernatural, there’s about a 
				30% chance of an avian pandemic this year, and a 70% chance next 
				year, and 100% chance the year after.
				
				BR: When you say this year, you mean in the next 12 months?
				
				BD: No, between now and the end of December [2008].
				
				BR: Really? OK.
				
				BD: That’s very disturbing. OK? But we’re talking about going up 
				to 70%, which means next year we have a very grave possibility 
				of a thermonuclear attack at least on the Bashear reactor and 
				450 targets. And a counter-response which is going to release a 
				radiation cloud and cut off the world to the Strait of Hormuz.
				
				And I was taken in 1988 - one of my very first visions - I was 
				taken up high above Saudi Arabia, in the spirit, and I actually 
				looked down. And I looked and I could see the carrier groups all 
				assembling.
				
				And this was 1988, twenty years ago. And I looked down, and the 
				angel told me, he says: Watch this place. Because this is where 
				it will all start - the Strait of Hormuz.
				
				BR: And how close are we to that now?
				
				BD: We are so close we can feel the breath of the dragon. People 
				need to pull back... And none of these people that call 
				themselves candidates for president that are in the two leading 
				parties are safe. Neither one.
				
				Obama is backed by 
				
				Zbigniew Brzezinski, that wrote 
				The Grand 
				Chessboard, that was the head of the Security Council, that was 
				one of the CFR members in Georgetown University. He is 
				personally determined to directly confront, with thermonuclear 
				and other weapons, Russia. OK?
				
				BR: Yes. Yep.
				
				BD: We have Joe Biden, who released this information just in the 
				last two weeks. This guy is very clever but very evil. And he’s 
				directly involved with the cover-up of the Israeli Purdue OxyContin scam, where there’s a Purdue Pharma plant in Israel 
				distributing billions of dollars of illegal OxyContin in 
				America. And we have the proof of it. OK? This is not 
				conjecture.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: Then we’ve got McCain, who spent five and a half years under 
				the control of a Russian mind-control scientist, the top Russian 
				mind-control scientist. And I heard him on the debate. And 
				actually I think he won the debate against Obama, because Obama, 
				if he’s not reading a teleprompter, is not that smart.
				
				McCain was sharper and he showed more presidential... But McCain 
				is determined that he’s going to invade - as well as Obama - he’s going to invade Pakistan and get to the Waziristani nukes. 
				He’s going to expand NATO directly on the back doorstep of the 
				Russians. It’s going to piss off the Russians. And the Russians 
				have got some very, very nasty weapons.
				
				BR: Yes, and they’re pissed off already.
				
				BD: They’re very pissed off, and they personally don’t want to 
				do this. They’d much rather negotiate and get richer. Right?
				
				BR: Sure.
				
				BD: The Russians are not interested in this. But the people 
				behind the American government, the Satanic Luciferian 
				Reptilians, they’re absolutely determined to bring this agenda 
				toward a final culmination, a thermonuclear war. OK? They’re 
				determined to do it.
				
				KC: That’s with Russia.
				
				BD: And they’re pulling Russia... As it says in Ezekiel 38 and 
				39: I shall pull you with hooks in your jaw. Oh Rosh, chief 
				prince Gog of Meshech, Tubal and Rosh.
				
				And you know what that is? Gog is the name of a Hebrew man. 
				Rosh: Russia. Meshech: Moscow. Tubal: Tublosk. This is Russia. 
				They’ve armed to the teeth all these nations.
				
				They’ve got the S-300 anti-aircraft system; they’ve got the 
				Yakontz hypersonic cruise missile; they’ve got EMP weapons; and 
				they’ve armed to the teeth Syria and Iran; and they are building 
				the largest outside-of-Russia naval base right now in Syria.
				
				BR: Yes. And they’re poking the Bear with a sharp stick.
				
				BD: They’re poking the Bear with a sharp stick. So, what we’ve 
				got to do is, people need to get in a panic here. It’s not a 
				matter of voting for Palin and McCain, or voting for Obama. 
				Either alternative guarantees a thermonuclear war.
				
				BR: Yeah. Is this election going to happen to schedule, or could 
				something happen to it?
				
				BD: It really doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. Even if it’s 
				delayed 6 months, you know, it doesn’t matter if McCain gets in 
				there and Palin.
				
				The thing that I’m particularly concerned about is... Someone 
				like McCain, if he lives long enough, which I’m very concerned 
				about, because he’s had a third recurrence of a melanoma. He’s 
				had a lymphatic spread. And I know a lot of... I do consulting, 
				helping people integrate with treatments for cancer all around 
				the world.
				
				Unless he’s getting some of the new classified 
				
				anti-cancer 
				therapies with some of the people that I know in Europe or 
				elsewhere - like Dr. Tulio Simoncini and Dr. Muñoz in Tijuana, 
				and other places, where you get IPT and so on - he’s a dead 
				man.
				
				This cancer or another cancer is going to come back and kill 
				him, and he’ll probably die in his term. And we’re not talking 
				about a 30% chance. We’re probably talking 80% chance in the 
				first two years of his term, if he does become president, that 
				President Palin will take over.
				
				BR: With what consequences?
				
				BD: Well, President Palin doesn’t, I don’t think, have the... To 
				me she’s pro-life which is positive for a lot of Christian 
				rights. [Ed. Note: the political right] 
				
				 
				
				
				She’s going to drag a 
				lot of votes that way. But in terms of her ability to have a 
				rational judgment, with the extreme religious background that 
				she has, is going to be very disturbing.
				
				Now, I’m for the pro-life issue and I’m for the fact she’s got 
				spirituality. But when you have religion and it’s clouded that 
				Israel can do no wrong? That’s frickin’ dangerous.
				
				BR: Yes. She says that Iraq is God’s war.
				
				BD: Right. And that’s really dangerous. And you can’t say Israel 
				can do no wrong when the whole nation of Israel is Sabbatian 
				Luciferian Satanist Jews. OK? Who do not worship the God of 
				Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and have nothing to do with she 
				thinks...
				
				And they laugh at her and think that this Christian fool is 
				going to back us no matter what, and allow us to attack Iran.
				
				BR: Yeah. And she’s playing straight into their hands.
				
				BD: Right. She’s playing right into their hands. And, of course, 
				they’re using her as a card to manipulate. And on the other 
				hand, we’ve got 
				
				Obama and there’s a trail of strange things 
				going on behind him.
				
				KC: And you know this because...
				
				BD: I’ve got so many contacts you would not believe it. I 
				can’t... I’ve spent a lot of time on the... Obama is a, if you 
				want to call it, messianic figure.
				
				KC: Mm hm.
				
				BD: This is a very dangerous man. In fact, of all of the options 
				we have, Obama is the most dangerous of all of them.
				
				
				BR: OK. So that’s the most-worst version.
				
				BD: He’s the most-worst version. Even Biden would be better. 
				Biden might actually have a clue, even though he’s a bit of a 
				criminal.
				
				BR: Yeah.
				
				KC: But our understanding is that Biden probably won’t make it 
				to the...
				
				BR: Is it possible that Hillary could be back on the ticket?
				
				BD: It’s possible. It’s possible.
				
				BR: Have you heard that?
				
				BD: The thing is that Hillary, other than Obama, is the most 
				scary individual I’ve ever met. She is very brilliant, 
				incredibly evil, and her family, the Rodhams, have been 
				Luciferian Satanists for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. 
				She has a lot of stuff attached to her.
				
				BR: So what’s the way out of all that crap?
				
				BD: The way out of it is to just get the population woke up, to 
				pray for the leaders, to get the people woke up. If we just get 
				a tiny minority of the body of mankind to wake up to the truth 
				of this...
				
				Whether they think they’re atheists or agnostics or Jews or 
				Christians, they’ve got to stop being Armageddonites. They’ve 
				got to stop being Sabbatian Jews. They’ve got to stop being 
				“religious”, thinking: Oh well, it’s just karma being worked 
				out, in their Buddhism. Right?
				
				They’ve got to stop all that foolishness and pick up their 
				scepter and say: We craft the future. We’re going to determine 
				whether or not mankind is going to survive what’s coming. And 
				they’ve got to start making decisions.
				
				They’ve got to start saying: Hey, we’re not going to participate 
				with a country that’s going to have a thermonuclear war with 
				Iran. We’re not going to...
				
				You know, as Carlin said: If you vote for one of these 
				blankey-blank guys or this blankey-blank guy, you can’t complain 
				when either one of them starts a thermonuclear war.
				
				KC: OK. But actually people are left with that choice.
				
				BD: They aren’t. They can actually... The thing is that I think 
				we need to transcend politics. We need to transcend religion.
				
				We need to stop thinking that if we make the right decision on 
				the right leader we’ve solved the problem. The transformation is 
				not at the leadership level of the White House.
				
				KC: Absolutely.
				
				BD: It’s not even at the capitol building of the state. It’s not 
				even at the town council. It’s in us. We have to decide that 
				we’re no longer going to participate in these things. We’re not 
				going to participate in churches or pastors or politicians doing 
				these things. We’re not going to participate in a 
				
				financial 
				collapse that’s going to starve millions, and
				
				start a pandemic. 
				We’re not going to participate in doing those things that...
				
				KC: OK. Well, but nuts and bolts and on a spiritual level, their 
				choice is clear, I would say.
				
				BD: Yeah. But they have to make hard decisions. See, those 
				decisions are so hard that most people don’t want to swallow 
				that. So they want to either attack me or any other messenger 
				giving this message.
				
				KC: Sure.
				
				BD: They don’t want to make the tough choices to say: Hey, I’m 
				not going to participate with what they’re planning on doing. 
				I’m going to make certain that I’m not going to vote.
				
				I’ll give you an example. What happens if nobody went out to 
				vote? What if everybody said: Hey, we know both these guys, 
				either party, is going to support the 700-billion dollar 
				bailout.
				
				Because, you know, in the next two weeks, long before the 
				election, they’re going to sign this damn thing. And if they 
				sign it, they guarantee the - you could call it the controlled 
				demolition of the economy of the world, and the de-evolution to 
				the “mark of the beast,” which is coming. You know?
				
				I’ve walked personally through the array, and either party is 
				going to guarantee that. Now, whether it’s Obama and his 
				messianic vision, or it’s McCain and Sarah Palin with her 
				Armageddonite vision, it doesn’t matter. The devil will move 
				forward like a snake pushing itself on its own belly.
				
				KC: OK. We’ve also gotten information about October [2008]. And 
				I’m sure you’ve heard 
				
				Half Past Human.
				
				BD: Yes, I can tell you what... Yeah.
				
				BR: We have thirteen different, actually fourteen now, different 
				data-points, lined up in October...
				
				BD: Yeah. Well, you’re correct. Somewhere between the 7th and 
				15th of October. And I get the same feeling.
				
				BR: Right.
				
				BD: A lot of the time I don’t know... Like I’ll go to bed at 
				night, wake up in cold sweats, get visions...
				
				KC: Yes.
				
				BD: ...see, you know, people crying. I see starvation. I see 
				privation. I see darkness, a lot of very bad visions, very 
				jumbled up, and I can’t tell you what it is specifically. But I 
				can tell you what makes sense to me if I just take my 
				intellectual viewpoint.
				
				BR: Yes.
				
				BD: I think we’re going to have a financial crash.
				
				BR: OK.
				
				BD: I think the financial crash is going to be so severe and so 
				painful that the grocery store shelves are going to be 
				completely empty in the very, very near future. I mean, it could 
				only last for maybe a few weeks, but it’s going to frighten 
				people so badly, that no matter what the government presents to 
				them - in terms of world government, regional currency, the Amero, whatever 
				- they’re going to take it.
				
				And then, when they can go back to buying their latte, and go to 
				the movie theater, and put gas in their car at a reasonable 
				price, they’re going to say: Thank God we’ve got this.
				
				KC: Right.
				
				BD: But I can tell you right now, what I see is empty shelves.
				
				BR: And martial law.
				
				BD: And martial law. Remember now, martial law will be almost 
				like a theater. It’ll be on... They brought back an entire 
				division. I posted up the article on Clay and Iron, and the 
				dates. So if you go to ClayandIron.com, I posted up that 
				article.
				
				They brought an entire division back to America to be 
				permanently stationed for civil defense inside the United 
				States. That’s 650,000 battle-hardened troops, with heavy 
				artillery and weapons, that’ll control the civilian population. 
				They don’t need to be in their home country.
				
				The media that’s on that screen there [television], I call 
				Satan-vision. OK? In that box. What they need to do is they need 
				to frighten people into accepting whatever the agenda is.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: So they need a thing like the Katrina thing in one or 
				another city or two or three cities. Maybe they need an event 
				like... They’ve been working on this idea of blowing up dirty 
				bombs or nukes in two or three cities.
				
				BR: If...
				
				BD: I’ve got the long and short list.
				
				BR: Yeah.
				
				BD: On both the long and the short list - and I happen to be 
				living very near to one of those. The very top of both lists is 
				Los Angeles.
				
				KC: Yes.
				
				BD: They’re number one.
				
				KC: I think so, too.
				
				BD: Chicago, Detroit, all those three cities are on both long 
				and short lists. OK?
				
				BR: It feels to us that there is a violent event coming up.
				
				BD: Yes, there is a very violent event coming up. And I see 
				a 
				financial collapse, and I see, at the very latest by next year, 
				a thermonuclear explosion in a U.S. city, one or more cities, 
				and civil war in America. OK?
				
				And then a period of false peace after that. And a period of, 
				you know, them setting up this temple thing and kind of scaring 
				the crap out of the population of the planet.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: And then I see this time period of 1230, literally marked 
				off. Because, remember now, this is a religious ceremony. You 
				see, the Bible isn’t just a thing for the Jews or for the 
				Christians. It’s a Luciferic ceremony.
				
				
				BR: Yeah.
				
				BD: And they’re marching through this as a clock, as an 
				anti-type to what they see happening. So that 
				
				the globalists and 
				
				the Illuminati use this almost as a religious ceremony to kind 
				of snub the face of the Creator of the universe. And say: No, 
				we’re God. So that’s why this timepiece is being marched on in 
				Israel.
				
				BR: Hm.
				
				BD: OK? And when people grasp that... The reason why I’m going 
				calling you up today is because I don’t know who he’s, but there 
				is another witness. OK? He’s the Witness of Yehudah, the witness 
				of Judah. He’s a Torah Jew who does know this.
				
				And the greatest prophecy that was ever given by Yeshua 
				Ha’Masaich was The Prodigal Son, that the Ephraim, which is the 
				10 tribes, would be hauled away, scattered over the Earth by the 
				Assyrians, and that they would return, and they would bring on 
				their shoulders, literally the ability to know how to protect 
				the Jews on Earth.
				
				Because the holocaust is coming, Jews. You’ve got to know that 
				there is a holocaust coming to kill every Jew on Earth, 
				Sabbatian or not.
				
				And the reason is they have to expunge the Earth of any 
				knowledge of a Creator God. It doesn’t matter if you’re a 
				Buddhist, or you’re a native Hopi or whatever. They’ve got to 
				get rid of them because there’s a portion of truth that was 
				given specifically by the Creator to the Jews that other peoples 
				did not receive in fullness.
				
				Just like there’s a Bible code in the Bible. Why is that code in 
				the Bible? Why is it not in some Hopi things, or some tablets 
				from some other civilization? It was there because it was set up 
				as an object-lesson to ask of the entirety of mankind: How will 
				you deal with Israel?
				
				How do you deal with it? As it says in Jeremiah, you know: There 
				will be a firepot burning all the nations around it. They’re 
				literally setting a detonator to blow up the Earth.
				
				BR: Hm.
				
				BD: And they have weapons that can. They’ve got anti-matter 
				weapons that can turn the Earth into shards, like, you know, 
				like one of these planets that died in the ancient conflicts 
				that they talk about, that was destroyed and created the 
				asteroid belt between Mars and Earth.
				
				BR: Yes.
				
				BD: OK?
				
				BR: Oh, yeah.
				
				BD: They have those weapons now. They have things that you just 
				can’t imagine that can be done that could blow the Earth, 
				literally, into tiny fragments.
				
				BR: Mm hm.
				
				BD: OK? But whether we’ll survive is not a geopolitical thing of 
				who we vote for or whether or not we’re going to kind of will 
				our minds. Like, you know, some of the people figure if we just 
				will it, it’s all going to happen.
				
				It’s going to require some painful decisions on our part to say: 
				Hey, we’re going to march in every city capital of every city. 
				We’re going to march in every church to throw down their dogma - which is their “am-god”. They’re not God.
				
				They have to hear the Voice of the Creator, whatever religion 
				they are, whatever spirituality, whatever agnosticism. If they 
				don’t, they’re not going to survive, because this Earth is 
				marked for judgment. It’s the end of the road. And if they don’t 
				turn back now...
				
				And that means all those ones who are called as prophets, of 
				every race and tongue and people, you need to come out with a 
				grand chorus and sing the song, as it says in the Bible, the 
				Song of Moses. You need to sing the song of humanity that is a 
				spiritual body that knows these things. We intuitively know it.
				
				When I talked to John Boncore, whose name is Splitting the Sky, 
				who’s a Mohawk prophecy-giver - and he said this on air just 
				this week.
				
				He said there was a prophecy given, you know, untold centuries 
				ago, that a great, a young Mohawk would come and give a 
				prophetic warning to the peoples of Earth.
				
				Well, he has, better than any other person, better than Phil 
				Berg, or anyone else that I’ve heard, put the financial trail of 
				blood-money behind 9/11 together.
				
				People need to grasp this, that if we don’t get back in touch 
				with spirit instead of religion, we’re going to all die, killing 
				each other for religion.
				
				KC: Mm hm.
				
				BD: And for different financial agendas. Or we’re going to save 
				the planet because of carbon dioxide, which is a lie. You know, 
				we’re polluting ourselves to death, so we won’t even be able to 
				reproduce two generations from now.
				
				And it’s all by design. It’s designed that even if we didn’t 
				have a pestilence or nuclear war, or whatever, that life on this 
				planet is soon going to die. We are a dying planet.
				
				If you’re visiting here as an archeologist from another distant 
				time and another space to visit Earth, you’d say: These people 
				are suicidal. They kill their prophets, just like it says in the 
				Bible, you know, between the brazen laborer and the holy of 
				holies.
				
				I’m called to speak as Moses and as Elijah, to blow the trumpet, 
				which I’ve done on my show. And God has given me a voice to 
				speak to them and warn them. We are at the time of The End. And 
				that’s why my other website’s called clay and iron.
				
				They need to know: Come out of Babylon, which means come out of 
				confusion. Come out of religion. Come back in relationship.
				
				Stop believing lies. And the first lie is what you are. You’re 
				not a biological machine. You’re not an advanced piece of slime 
				that’s evolved. You’re an infinite being that has the right to 
				choose to have life and to live it abundantly for thousands of 
				years, literally, you know, and have contact with advanced 
				civilizations, and to survive, and to thrive.
				
				But if you don’t choose life today... Just like Moses, when he 
				set the peoples between Mount Ebal and Mount Gerizim, we as a 
				civilization will die.
				
				BR: Now, stepping back into the Black-Ops world, you will know 
				that we’ve been contacted by time-traveling future humans with a 
				message.
				
				BD: Right.
				
				BR: And it’d be interesting to hear your take on this. But our 
				understanding is that there are alternative timelines. Not all 
				of them are catastrophic.
				
				BD: Right.
				
				BR: We do have choices.
				
				BD: Sure we do.
				
				BR: It’s not a done deal.
				
				BD: Oh, absolutely.
				
				BR: And what do you know of those contacts, those messages, and 
				what opportunities we have, and how those messages have been 
				acted upon by the people who’ve received them?
				
				BD: Firstly, the way I would answer that is that the universe is 
				stranger than even they can imagine. In other words, when you’re 
				dealing with people... Let’s say that we have posited that there 
				are alternative timelines, and these people have traveled back 
				from multiple timelines.
				
				If we think of the - I call it the universe as a One-“I”-Voice, 
				in other words, there is a unification of All-That-Is because 
				what the universe is, is not energy portrayed through advanced 
				equations in a cybernetic world. It is literally the passage of 
				spirit through a montage of images.
				
				And when you start to understand that, there is only one. In 
				other words, there is not... There are maybe multiple possible 
				futures...
				
				BR: Mm hm.
				
				BD: But there is only ONE real future.
				
				BR: OK.
				
				BD: OK?
				
				BR: Right.
				
				BD: But we do have a choice because... I say we 
				fore-give. We 
				actually are creating whichever timeline we are going get, 
				whichever rail we are going to get on.
				
				BR: Yes.
				
				BD: Otherwise, it would be purposeless to even have human beings 
				because we’d just be automatons because the future is already 
				set in stone and whatever is going to happen will happen.
				
				BR: Exactly. Yep.
				
				BR: And we aren’t. We are actually in the image of the Creator. 
				We are actually the, if you want to call it, the incarnation of 
				the I AM that said: Let there be light in the universe, as human 
				beings in this world.
				
				And there’s other beings of other types that are across the 
				cosmos that are incarnations of the same I AM. And they’ve come 
				to the knowledge that they are and have that responsibility to 
				be, in a sense, midwives to Earth in the birthing-room of this 
				civilization.
				
				KC: Yes.
				
				BD: We’re literally in the birthing-room now.
				
				BR: Yes. But, what do you know, and what have you heard, of 
				those messages from future humans who presumably are 
				altruistically trying to help in some way? Because they’re 
				looking back through their own history saying, you know: Don’t 
				do that stuff because this happened to us. Or some other 
				message. What do you know about this?
				
				BD: You have to use a great deal of discernment. Because one of 
				the things about alternative timelines, in terms of an actual 
				being coming back from a timeline, is you have to think: Is this 
				inserted ideas?
				
				Because the very nature of the universe is that there is one 
				timeline that you follow. There may be alternatives that you 
				have a choice of. But you have to use discernment.
				
				You’ve got to remember that, in a sense, we live in a matrix. We 
				live in a cybernetic world that, to a great extent, is the 
				manifestation of a higher dimensional reality of being that 
				transcends our physical body.
				
				For example, I try to tell people this repeatedly, is that your 
				mind, i.e., which is equal to your soul, is not physical. It 
				doesn’t exist on this plane. So when people talk about psychic 
				phenomena and doppelgangers and other things, what they’re 
				really referring to is something that’s just the very nature of 
				what we are.
				
				Our physical mind doesn’t exist on this level. OK? The physical 
				mind is just a chemical computer. It’s a bunch of neurons 
				connected; that you’re connected to nuclei, and our eyes and our 
				physical senses.
				
				But our physical brain is not what we are. It’s connected 
				through “the cord of the living waters” to our physical brain. 
				And so, if we don’t understand what kind of a being we are, we 
				won’t make correct decisions.
				
				So part of this idea of timelines, or even incarnation... For 
				example if you talk to people about incarnation, they’ll say: 
				Well, 40% of the incarnations are supposedly from the future.
				
				BR: Hm... Yes. Yes.
				
				BD: Or even non-human beings. OK?
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: But the way I tell the people is, I say: Maybe you’re just 
				kind of picking up, almost like a radio tuned into a certain 
				frequency, certain object-lessons or spiritual things so that 
				you can understand something you’re supposed to learn or 
				remember in this lifetime.
				
				In other words, you’re not becoming... Does that make sense?
				
				BR: Mm hm.
				
				BD: So that’s why I see this as being a misinterpretation of it. 
				OK? So this idea that there is alternative timelines, I think is 
				a deception, a very, very significant deception. Because it says 
				that the world is a mechanistic Cartesian world that’s created 
				by energetics and we’re just kind of like leaves that are pushed 
				along by energy, space, and time, and we really don’t have any 
				choices to our future.
				
				In fact, we actually ARE the Gods of this world. But I’m not 
				talking about replacement of the Creator God. I mean hearing the 
				voice and doing the will. And that’s a very different thing. So, 
				in other words, reality is created on this energetic plane by 
				spirit. It’s not the other way around.
				
				BR: Of course.
				
				BD: And that’s the problem we’re in. So, when you hear people 
				saying that they’ve had physical contact, the deception is very, 
				very powerful.
				
				We’re right here now with mankind, as is said in the Eschaton 
				that transcends time and space, to make a decision for life, 
				whether this civilization is going to survive what’s coming or 
				it’s going to be annihilated.
				
				And we’re very close to that, and we can see the object-lesson 
				of Israel as the final crux. Just look at the foreign policy and 
				look at the financial policy. Look at all of these things.
				
				The two groups that are running the world right now, that are 
				running - literally driving it into the ground - are the 
				Teutonic Knights; the Hansiatic League. Right? That believes 
				that their bloodline is descended from Yeshua Ha’Masaich.
				
				And all the kings and queens of Europe and all the czars of 
				Russia, the Caesars, believe their bloodline is descended from 
				Jesus Christ and King David. Why? That’s bizarre! Why? But it’s 
				the truth.
				
				You can talk to Jordan Maxwell and others and find it out, 
				Michael Tsarion and others. Why? Why? Why would that be?
				
				And then the other group are the 
				
				Sabbatians. Right? The 
				Sabbatians are basically Satanists. These are, you know... Even 
				though, you know, they’ll say: Well, we’re communists - the 
				Israelis - because they had the Russians there at the inception 
				of the Israeli state. They’re not. They believe they’re God. 
				There is no God.
				
				They’re trying to say, just like Bill Maher and his movie 
				Religulous. You know, obviously he’s a Kabbalist. He believes in 
				the Kabbalah. And the highest level of the Kabbalah... If you go 
				deep into Masonry, or entirely, you go right back to the Temple 
				of Solomon. They’re completely... They all look Jewish, but 
				they’re not. They’re Satanic. They go right back to Atlantis and 
				before.
				
				BR: Hm.
				
				BD: These were adopted into it and invaded into it at the time 
				of Solomon. That’s why they’ll say they’ll elevate Solomon, and 
				that Solomon was a great leader. No. He allowed the body of the 
				truth of ancient Israel to be infected by this monstrosity.
				
				BR: Mm hm. Getting back to what you were saying about the 
				reality, or otherwise, of these alternative timelines, what I 
				hear you saying is, it’s almost like an intellectual trick, 
				because it doesn’t really count.
				
				BD: Right.
				
				BR: What’s in front of us is what’s in front of us, and that’s 
				our real responsibility.
				
				BD: Right.
				
				BR: And anything else... It’s almost like it’s not relevant 
				whether it’s “real” or not, because it depends on what you mean 
				by real.
				
				BD: Right.
				
				BR: And the really, real situation is here and now.
				
				BD: Exactly.
				
				BR: And that’s the only thing that matters.
				
				BD: Yes, and also it might give you a false decision-tree to 
				base your ideas on and therefore steer you in a direction of 
				wasted intention.
				
				BR: I understand.
				
				BD: That’s the first thing. Wasting action. And wasted effort. 
				For example, people think there’s going to be a difference if we 
				elect McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden. I don’t think it makes a 
				difference. It might make a difference if you had somebody like 
				Cynthia McKinney or Chuck Baldwin. But how likely is it they’d 
				be elected president?
				
				BR: Yeah. It’s not going to happen.
				
				BD: It’s not going to happen. The problem is, Cynthia McKinney 
				is a black woman. She’s brilliant; she’s tough. She’s calling 
				for a 9/11 investigation. This woman would make an absolutely 
				amazing president. OK? But how likely is it for her to get in 
				there?
				
				And the problem is they may also come with baggage, what we call 
				environmental baggage, which is, we’ve got to reduce the world’s 
				oxygen/carbon dioxide. That’s crazy! It’s not science. OK?
				
				I was an oceanographer. I did work with Greenpeace. Carbon 
				dioxide is what makes the plants, including the phytoplankton in 
				the upper 10 metres of the benthic layer of the oceans produce 
				all the oxygen. And our oxygen level now is down from what it 
				was in ancient Mesozoic era, from 30%, down to what it is now.
				
				So you know, I think what it is, we have to stop looking for an 
				external messiah where all these so-called great religions... 
				Like for example, Mr. Ahmadinejad thinks he’s going to see the
				Imam-Mahdi, or the Christians think they’re going to see a 
				messiah...
				
				
				KC: Right.
				
				BD: ...come in the clouds, you know whether... Which is 
				ridiculous.
				
				BR: And there are a bunch of people who think the ETs will save 
				us.
				
				
				BD: Right. They think the ETs... You see, this “ET save us” 
				stuff is crazy stuff, too.
				
				BR: Right.
				
				BD: The fact is, what’s going to save us is us. You know, it’s 
				like the inverse of Pogo’s statement there, you know: I’ve seen 
				the enemy and the enemy is us. I’ve seen the messiah and the 
				messiah is us.
				
				BR: Very good.
				
				BD: I hope this kind of gets people to kind of drop their old 
				paradigms and I hope I get them to, you know, like Marshall 
				McKluen, “tune in and drop out.” In other words, drop out of 
				false lies, whether it’s politics or religion or thinking these 
				other things are solutions. Become personally responsible. 
				Become public and interact with other people.
				
				Don’t think that, by default, if you don’t say anything about it 
				you’re not responsible for the death of 15- to 32-million 
				Iranians and a radiation cloud that circulates the planet and 
				destroys your own health.
				
				KC: Right.
				
				BD: The sins of omission are greater than the sins of 
				commission. And the sins of silence are greater than the sins of 
				action.
				
				BR: Yes.
				
				KC: Yes. I second that. And this is where we ask for everyone to 
				take part.
				
				BR: And it’s all got something to do with you.
				
				BD: Right. Absolutely. I hope it transforms some hearts. As 
				Yeshua Ha’Masaich Jesus said: The message of the kingdom is now, 
				which means, it’s now, as soon as you attend to shemah, to hear 
				and do the will of the Creator God of the universe and not to 
				think that you can set external commandments and create peace on 
				Earth. What you’ll do is you’ll create pieces of Earth. 
				[laughter]
				
				BR: Is there any final sound-byte that you... Is there anything 
				that you haven’t said that you want to leave these people with 
				right now? Because this is the chance.
				
				BD: Well, what I would say is, firstly, prepare for a series of 
				spasms and disasters.
				
				BR: When you say “prepare,” you mean physically and logistically 
				prepare?
				
				BD: Spiritually prepare first. But physically prepare. Have your 
				food and water, have your civil defense. We have a whole series 
				of civil defense things. I’m actually working with Gordon 
				Peterson in Homeland Security to stop aircraft bringing in 
				pandemic viruses.
				
				Prepare to have things to protect yourself from 
				
				pandemic avian 
				flu, which we have on our website, 
				
				nutrimedical.com. Prepare 
				yourself to be home-quarantined for anywhere from six weeks to 
				two months or more.
				
				BR: Anywhere in the world? Or here in America?
				
				BD: Anywhere. Anywhere on the planet. Be prepared for food 
				shortages on a massive scale, starting as early as this fall. Be 
				prepared to know how to have... in other words, I don’t tell 
				people to join the militia. I tell people to start shooting 
				clubs.
				
				I believe that we need to exert our Second Amendment right, not 
				so that we can go out and start shooting fellow Americans, but 
				we can protect ourselves if things get out of hand.
				
				I worked with federal agents at the Federal Center in Denver and 
				they did simulations and actually were stockpiling pallets of 
				gold bullion, gold coins, and bales of heroine to interact with 
				gangs; so that between 4 and 12 days after a state of national 
				civil emergency, like nuclear war, they could trade with the 
				gangs that would control every city.
				
				BR: When was that, Bill, that you encountered that?
				
				BD: That was in 1997.
				
				BR: But that’s all still in force.
				
				BD: Oh yes, all those things. Their 
				
				COG [Continuity of 
				Government] which was set up by George Bush, Sr., made it even 
				more serious. So that COG plan, and all those things, have been 
				done going back, like over grades, going back since Eisenhower.
				
				BR: OK.
				
				BD: They’ve been doing this for a long time. And it’s not just 
				in America. You have to understand, these plans are replicated 
				in one form or another in Canada, in Britain, in Australia, in 
				African nations, in China. They have policies.
				
				There’s over 4,000 underground facilities around the world 
				alone. And in America, two giant facilities besides the little 
				ones, that are a mile-and-a-half to four miles down.
				
				I mean, they’ve been going crazy. And most of the illegal money 
				is drug money coming from the illegal sale of heroine and 
				cocaine, OxyContin, Ecstasy, etc., three-quarters of a trillion 
				dollars into weird projects.
				
				BR: Yeah.
				
				BD: And again, they’re addicted to this. They’re addicted to 
				money that isn’t under the scrutiny of the Congress or Senate. 
				And I don’t think, if either party is elected, they’re going to 
				steer us away from this.
				
				We have to get away from thinking the political system is going 
				to solve this. It’s not. Or the religious, you know. A lot of 
				people think if they just go pray a whole lot in church, 
				whatever church they belong to? They’re crazy.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: They need to start taking action. We mean action to the 
				street, to their neighbors and they need to say: Hey, I don’t 
				want to participate in the winding down of civilization.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: Because they need to see that this is the first stage here. 
				This is the devolution of the economy. And the next stage after 
				the devolution of the economy and a release of a pandemic or 
				martial law - and it won’t just be in America - is the 
				
				hard-chipping of the population, 
				
				forced vaccination, pandemic, 
				and the hard kill’s going to start.
				
				BR: Mm hm.
				
				BD: And I’m talking about hard kill, where they’re going to try 
				to kill 90% of human beings on the planet with either pandemics, 
				injected viruses, lethal weapons systems or whatever, or 
				starvation just because of economic chaos. And people say: Oh 
				no. They wouldn’t do that.
				
				I have contacts inside the Canadian and U.S. government that 
				have said, if there is a total breakdown of society for 30 days, 
				half the population in Canada and the same in the States would 
				be dead.
				
				BR: Yep. From violence.
				
				BD: Not from a pandemic. From violence.
				
				BR: Yeah. Yep. People will do it themselves. Yeah.
				
				BD: The violence will be... Just take a city, like, let’s say 
				you had a city like Los Angeles and you took out 20 blocks with 
				a 10-kiloton nuclear weapon, with a population kill of let’s say 
				200,000. And California devolved into a state where there’s no 
				trucks going anywhere with any food. And this is a place where 
				it’s a breadbasket.
				
				This state would be a seething caldron of death, and half the 
				population would probably be dead within 30 days. Just because 
				of the roving gangs shooting each other up, and trying to grab 
				food that was left and getting trucks and whatever.
				
				KC: Right.
				
				BR: Yes.
				
				BD: It would be insane. It would make Road Warrior look like a 
				party. And people say: Oh no, it couldn’t get that bad. I said: 
				The guys who told me were special forces that worked at the 
				Federal Center that told me this. And they shocked me back in 
				’97 when they told me this stuff.
				
				BR: Yeah. And all of this is being modeled as well.
				
				BD: Yeah. So I tell people they’ve got to start preparing for 
				disaster. And then we’ll come back out of that. Because when 
				they bring it out, the next thing is: Oh, that wasn’t too bad. 
				It was only two weeks of martial law. Or six weeks.
				
				BR: Yes. That’s just to get people acclimatized to the idea.
				
				BD: Just like Katrina, you know. We let the people in Katrina 
				now live in trailers that would ruin their health or they have 
				homes that are still loaded with mold that are killing them. 
				Right?
				
				Or, we let them federalize parts of the country. That’s totally 
				against the Constitution. Right? They’re still federalizing. The 
				city of Detroit’s federalized, the city of New Orleans. This is 
				a violation of Federal and State law. What are they doing?
				
				They’re eventually going to federalize the whole country because 
				they’ve been, grade by grade, running martial law and admiralty 
				law parallel with the Constitution.
				
				And eventually they’re just going to get rid of that, in 
				
				George 
				Bush, Jr.’s terms: That GD piece of paper.
				
				
				They’re just going to throw it away and say: Guess what guys. 
				We’ve got enough executive orders; we’ve got enough 
				
				Blackwater 
				Security worldwide - which are 
				
				the Rothschilds private army. 
				Right? - And we’re going to take you on.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: OK? So people need to grasp that. And they need to be 
				prepared for things. And they need to be able to stand up. And 
				if they don’t stand up, well...
				
				BR: Is it possible that some of the “white hats” in Intel and 
				the military will stand up themselves?
				
				BD: They are already. I’ve already got contacts who’ve told me. 
				Like 
				
				William Fallon, you know, was public. He said: Not on my 
				watch will you start a war against Iran. They fired him.
				
				KC: Yes.
				
				BD: They put two people of Jewish descent in there that are 
				willing to take orders, that are willing to attack Iran.
				
				BR: Sure.
				
				BD: Twice in the last year-and-a-half, these Israelis tried to 
				go downtown. The last time was around June 24th when the 
				American government allowed 100 Israeli jets to do air 
				maneuvers, and a war game over Iraqi airspace.
				
				And the Russians detected it with their satellite-based imaging, 
				and started to scramble, transfer codes - for the launch codes - for their submarine-launched nuclear missiles, and their Bear 
				bombers heading toward North America. People don’t know. We were 
				moments away from a thermonuclear war in June.
				
				BR: We heard about that.
				
				BD: I mean, most people say: Oh, that doesn’t happen. You people 
				are crazy. I say: Well, I’ve got contacts. I went back weeks 
				later and verified it from my sources.
				
				BR: Yep.
				
				BD: And so people say: Oh, that can’t happen. You’ve just got a 
				really good imagination. I said: I wish. I mean, this is a 
				damned nightmare.
				
				BR: Yeah.
				
				BD: And it’s really happening. But I’m brave enough to say it 
				because I know there’s no alternative. If I don’t speak out 
				against this...
				
				You can’t move far enough away. You can’t move to the south 
				island of New Zealand and think you’re going to be safe. Or 
				Paraguay. There is nowhere on this planet you can move away from 
				this without it eventually taking you if you don’t stand up to 
				this evil.
				
				So if I have any messages: Prepare for disaster. Speak out now 
				because you’re going to be silenced very shortly.
				
				And believe me, they won’t be able to silence your 
				blood-curdling screams as you’re hauled away in a Black-Op truck 
				in the middle of the night, or a railcar with the shackles 
				grinding into your ankles and your wrists, as you’re screaming 
				because you know you’re going away to the death chambers. OK?
				
				This really is getting prepared. They’re getting prepared. 
				They’ve shipped in the plastic coffins. They’ve got the 
				railcars. They’ve got the incineration stations all ready. 
				They’ve got everything ready.
				
				People say: Oh, it doesn’t exist. I say: Well, my condolences to 
				you because if you want to attack me and say that I’m a 
				crackerjack because I give all these spiritual and other things, 
				you’re going to suffer and then you’re going to die. And you’re 
				not just going to die a physical death, you’re going to die a 
				spiritual death.
				
				BR: Yep. And one of the reasons why you die a spiritual death is 
				because you never stood up when you could have done.
				
				BD: Right. The greatest sins are the sins of silence in the face 
				of evil.
				
				BR: Yes. We second that.
				
				KC: Absolutely. We absolutely second that. Thank you very much.
				
				BR: Bill, thank you so much.