Interview 
				
				Who is Mr. Kerner, what is his background, his formation? 
				
				Nigel Kerner is the son of a Naval Officer who served in South 
				East Asia Command of the British Fleet Air Arm during the War. 
				His mother is of British Plantation owning stock who lived in 
				the Far East. The family migrated to England in the late fifties 
				where they have lived ever since. Mr  Kerner now lives with his 
				family on his estate in middle England. Please see his book 
				cover for more details. Mr Kerner has received four plausible 
				affirmed death threats as a result of his book already and you 
				will understand he is cautious not to give too many details 
				about himself. 
				 
				
				
				
				Did you have any personal experience with the abduction 
				subject? 
				
				No. 
				 
				
				
				
				Why were you so interested with the alien problem and 
				specially the short greys? 
				
				I have children. I soon came to see that there is no greater 
				peril to their future welfare and indeed the welfare of all 
				children in all human generations to come, than the danger these 
				entities present to all sentient living beings in any planet 
				that supports intelligent life. 
				 
				
				
				
				Why, as far as you know, was the grey the subject of this 
				book? Why not another kind of e.b.e. (like more humanoid aliens, 
				the blond aryan type etc)? How do you know that the greys are 
				behind the problem of genetic interception? 
				
				The book does mention the other types of alien being witnessed 
				by abductees - the taller more humanoid beings, the blond Aryan 
				types and the reptilian alien forms. 
				
				 
				
				In fact these different 
				forms are discussed in greater detail in Mr. Kerner’s 
				forthcoming book: 
				
					
					"So You Believe There Is No God". 
					
				
				
				But the 
				first book does focus mainly on
				
				the Grey aliens for two main 
				reasons. 
				
				 
				
				First, the Greys are common to almost all abduction 
				experiences. If the other types are seen they are nearly always 
				accompanied by the Greys. 
				 
				
				Second, the
				Greys 
				are the most dangerous of all the alien types to soul-bearing 
				beings such as ourselves because they are robotic in nature and 
				lack any connection whatsoever to anything that is not of the 
				material, physical universe. The other beings are different 
				forms of clone derivatives who have a referred connection based 
				on a biological, living sentient modulus however indirect this 
				might be, to living soul-bearing entities. 
				
				You ask how we know that the Greys are behind the problem of 
				genetic interception. Most abductees report that it is the Greys 
				that carry out the horrendous physical procedures on them. These 
				procedures mostly seem to be connected to human reproduction and 
				procreation - the harvesting of sperm and ova and the 
				manufacturing of hybrid ‘children’. It is in fact their 
				principle program to protect and further the existence of the 
				biological cloned beings and Nigel Kerner strongly suspects that 
				this has led them into their genetic interception of Earth-based 
				humanity in the first place. 
				 
				
				These clones would 
				have to have been re-cloned so many times that their biologies 
				were breaking down and losing their ability to continue into the 
				future as living organisms. After all Entropy would break down 
				everything in time to greater states of randomness and disorder 
				with time. Thus the Greys, the guardians of the clones, would 
				naturally and logically look for a mechanism to hold this life 
				force that was more permanent and would not break down with 
				entropic momentums. They discovered that mechanism in living 
				soul-bearing beings such as ourselves. They detected our 
				facility to physically die and yet return to life again through 
				birth. 
				 
				
				They noticed that 
				the same ‘electro-spatial’ field (SOUL) left and came back again 
				into the realm of physical life when a living being was born. 
				They are desperate to bridge the clones that they, the Grey roboids, were built and programmed to serve, into this facility 
				for continuance. They are seeking a way for their Clones to be 
				born. That is the sole reason for their genetic interception of 
				humanity and no-doubt that of other species like ours at other 
				locations in the universe. It is the under-base of all their 
				endeavor. Something they themselves saw they had no choice but 
				to do. 
				 
				
				
				
				Why was Mr.Kerner so interested by the subject of the short 
				grey. Is it because he was a witness of abduction or a close 
				encounter or a similar fact? 
				
				As far as I know: No. 
				 
				
				
				
				Does he know personally people who were victims of abduction?
				
				
				Yes. 
				 
				
				
				
				When we looked at the sources of the information in your 
				book; most of it is scientific sources, magazines etc. Do you 
				(or Mr.Kerner) have other kinds of sources like personal 
				accounts, some kind of military or government sources who 
				confirmed the alien (I mean grey) visitation and the genetic 
				interception? 
				
				We have come across numerous personal accounts of alien 
				abduction and visitation from extremely reliable witnesses, 
				doctors, teachers, military pilots, airline pilots, soldiers 
				etc. Many of these accounts were given in television interviews, 
				whilst others were found in the excellent book ‘Abduction’ 
				written by Harvard Professor John Mack, and the extremely 
				perceptive books ‘Secret Life’ and ‘Threat’ written by 
				Dr. David Jacobs. We have a dossier of videos containing hours of footage 
				of UFO sightings, witness accounts and abduction experiences. 
				The Rendlesham Forest air base at which numerous military 
				personnel including a Colonel witnessed an unmistakable UFO 
				sighting stands out as particularly interesting 
				
				There are also many books that we have drawn on written by 
				people who are or were themselves involved in the military or 
				the Government – for example Nick Pope the British Civil Servant 
				who was in charge of a British government section devoted to 
				investigating UFOs as a phenomenon and Timothy Good. No lesser 
				person than Admiral Lord Hill Norton while he was Chief Of Staff 
				of the armed forces Of Britain (1971-73) has stated 
				unequivocally that he believed that UFOs were real 
				extra-terrestrial craft The British government went to great 
				lengths to minimize the exposure of his views in the Press. 
				 
				
				
				
				When the religious sources write about some kind of gods or 
				magical beings, is it only speculation that allows you to think 
				that those beings are connected with the greys? 
				
				The first thing that drew my attention to the possibility that 
				the ‘God’ that features in certain religious texts (particularly 
				the Old Testament of the Bible) might be somewhat suspect was 
				the extremely fallible human qualities that this ‘God’ seems to 
				display. 
				 
				
				He is vengeful (‘an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth’ 
				); jealous (‘thou shalt have no other Gods before me for I am a 
				jealous God’ ) and downright violent. In fact not only does he 
				condone the slaughter of large numbers of people considered to 
				be enemies to his ‘chosen few ’ he actually instigates the 
				carnage. This made me take a closer look at these texts and when 
				I did so I discovered many explicit references to alien 
				technology. 
				 
				
				The ‘prophet’ 
				Ezekiel actually described the spaceship he saw, the ‘wheel 
				within a wheel’ that ‘lifted up’ from the earth shining with 
				amber coloured light. He was also shown cloning procedures. The 
				examples of alien technology at the time of Moses, as you will 
				have seen from the book, are numerous – a ‘pillar of fire’ (a 
				laser beam) that accompanied the children of Israel wherever 
				they went, references to Moses’ abduction in a spaceship etc The 
				Hindu texts also speak plainly of alien craft ‘vimanas’ flying 
				in the sky. 
				 
				
				It is perhaps no 
				coincidence that the texts recording the sayings of Christ and 
				Buddha and their descriptions of ‘Godhead’ give no indication of 
				any alien input. In fact, as is illustrated in the book, Jesus 
				actually instructed his disciples on the nature of the alien 
				threat and how to cope with it. This close and inextricable tie 
				with the UFOs with the main sources of religion and religious 
				belief throughout history was to me the greatest revelation of 
				all. 
				 
				
				
				
				Can you describe in short and clear terms the legacy that the 
				grey gives to us? What kind of connection do we have with them.
				
				
				The most important thing to understand about the legacy of the Greys is that they established their connection with us 
				hundreds 
				of thousands of years ago with their interception of the 
				primitive species that existed at that time on the Earth. Like 
				fishermen they cast their lines out into the sea and caught the 
				only fish that would bite at that time. First the primitive 
				Miocene apes, then the Australopithecenes, then Homo Habilis and 
				eventually our ‘ancestor’, the ‘African Eve’ - Homo Erectus.
				
				 
				
				These primates and 
				hominids were the ends of devolving lines of soul field that 
				incarnated at this location in the universe. They were the 
				‘foam’ that stayed on the beach of the physical universe after 
				the vast tide of soul chose to return to Godhead and leave the 
				perils of a physical universe behind. That ‘foam’ was caught by 
				irregularities in the sand on the beach, the chaotic 
				irregularities of a physical universe governed by entropic 
				momentums. 
				
				The Greys could only reach the more primitive species at first 
				but once they had set their hooks into those species and 
				hybridized them with other slightly less primitive species 
				present at the time, they could then start to reel in the lines 
				of soul that would lead them closer to what they were looking 
				for – a bridge into eternal life for the Clones that they were 
				programmed to look after. They ‘rewired’ their hybrids with 
				brain circuits that they had lost through natural devolution.
				
				 
				
				The roboids had a 
				full circuit plan from the Prime Beings that had originally 
				programmed them and they used that plan to re-establish these 
				far more primitive species that they found on our planet in as 
				close an aspect to these prime beings and their clones as they 
				could possibly do. This rewiring became easier as the 
				hybridization process produced better and better body aerials 
				for receiving expressions of soul field that were closer to 
				Godhead into physical life, and therefore closer to the state of 
				their original Prime Beings. 
				
				One might say that through this procedure the Greys brought 
				about human ‘evolution’ and that they in that sense could be 
				seen as a great blessing to humanity. However as you have read 
				in my book nothing could be further from the truth. Their 
				genetic interception of the primitive hominids was for their 
				purposes only. It was not a magnanimous gesture based on love 
				and pity for a species they found on a planet. Further, I 
				believe their interception of a species endangered not just our 
				physicality but more important our status beyond atoms after 
				death. (I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that we continue 
				after death). Thus alien interception endangered and endangers 
				now, our eternal prospectus.  
				
				
				This is because their genetic interception provides blocks to 
				the natural communion that ought to take place between a soul 
				and the body aerial it has formed to house it in physical life. 
				Without this interception the more rapidly devolving hominid 
				species lines on this planet would have naturally devolved into 
				monkeys whilst the more slowly devolving lines, such as the 
				Neanderthals might, in some cases have returned to Godhead.
				
				 
				
				With the 
				interception and the hybridization it involved, these more 
				slowly devolving lines were compelled to reincarnate into alien 
				intercepted lines and forced to take on the disadvantages of 
				that interception. Thus, apparent evolution in the fossil record 
				is nothing more than a tracer for alien interception, Grey Roboid ‘fishermen’ reeling in the lines of soul to get as close 
				to the source of eternal life as possible. 
				
				The legacy they have given us as modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens and 
				are still giving us, has three parts: There are the subtle way 
				in which our environment has been altered culturally, 
				politically and through increased enforcement as a result of 
				
				 
				
				alien-inspired technology (microwaves etc). Then of course there 
				is the genetic manipulation to try and make us more compatible 
				with them. This has the effect of altering our DNA configuration 
				in such a way as to tend to make it less receptive to what we 
				have described as ‘God-light’.  
				 
				
				This reduces our 
				sense of spiritual connection to other human beings i.e. our 
				capacity for empathy. This, therefore promotes self-centred 
				behaviour keeping us stuck in an entropic universe caught in a 
				vicious circle of diminishing independent existential tenure. 
				Thirdly, it seems that some individuals may have physical 
				implants in their bodies after abduction which could act as 
				tracers so that individual ‘experimental subjects’ can be 
				monitored remotely. 
				
				The connection we have with the Grey aliens is through the 
				genetic tracers they have placed within us. Perhaps through ‘nanobots’. (See below). Human qualities such as 
				compassion and 
				conscience are "alien" to their programming and so make 
				interception more difficult for them. 
				 
				
				
				
				Why are they so dangerous, so predatory? 
				
				Their biggest danger lies in the fact that their genetic 
				interception denies many individuals the chance for eternal 
				life. That interception provides blockers against an individual 
				soul’s natural reception of ‘God-light’ – (the expression of the 
				infinite reach of the ‘universe of the whole’ - what I like to 
				call the GODVERSE - into the finite reach of the ‘universe of 
				parts’ - see book.) 
				 
				
				We are caught in a 
				physical existence because we have certain ‘restrictions’ 
				certain qualities that reflect a lack of understanding of the 
				true nature of reality. Qualities such as hate, envy, 
				greed, 
				aggression, etc. These qualities are mental momentums that 
				separate parts as the Universe separates parts. They are the 
				consciousness equivalent of the physical entropic momentums for 
				separation in the universe. 
				 
				
				Thus they provide 
				‘scratches’ and ‘dirty marks’ on the individual ‘lenses’ through 
				which the light of God shines into us. These blemishes distort 
				and twist that light defining each of our individualities as 
				extents of difference to that light. That’s how we defined our 
				individualities in the first place. Alien interception provides 
				extra scratches and dirty marks that are extra to our own 
				‘restrictions’ or ‘sins’. Thus alien interception is an 
				imposition on us. 
				
				Their predatory nature is due to the fact that they see us as 
				their experimental subjects. If they were human and were acting 
				out of motives of cruelty or hatred then these things would lead 
				to their own destruction as a people in time but because they 
				are just self-generating machines – they can continue following 
				their agenda as long as there is physically-based sentient life 
				to prey on. 
				
				It is crucially important that we do not try to understand the 
				Grey aliens in anthropomorphic terms. These Grey roboids are 
				programmed machines. They have no facility for human emotions 
				such as cruelty. They feel the same way about us as most 
				scientists feel about their laboratory rats - neutral, cold, 
				experimentation. 
				
				 
				
				Abductees have commented on the blank, 
				emotionless faces of the Greys as they carry out painful 
				procedures on their human subjects. 
				 
				
				
				
				Do you know the fact that Lt. Colonel Corso, a US officer who 
				was at the head of a research and development department – 
				foreign technology retrieved – at the Pentagon, confirms your 
				thesis that the greys are purely robotic, that they were 
				designed for space travel? What do you think about it? Do you 
				know if there is other scientist or military people who confirm 
				this? Do you contact them? 
				
				It is simple sense that there has to be ways past the barrier of 
				the speed of light. This is only a nominal ceiling to define the 
				engine of the separation of parts – our Universe. The skin that 
				wraps it in a shape that allows for this scenario of continuous 
				separation to take place. We are told this skin can be broken by 
				punching holes in space/time. Finding what they call ‘Wormholes’ 
				or making your own wormhole yourself as the Greys’ technology 
				showed when one of their craft was examined by a Physicist 
				called Bob Lazaar. 
				 
				
				He discovered an 
				array of what he called gravity amplifiers that could amplify 
				gravity in one place consequently negating it in another. The 
				craft simply ‘fell’ into this location with no gravity. With no 
				gravity you have no limit to speed. More important you have no 
				inertia. Thus no G forces. This is how these craft disappear so 
				instantly. However if they have to land or stop they have to 
				come into a gravitational field and thus inertia. In inertia you 
				have a lot of problems with a physical body. 
				 
				
				You thus need a 
				physical body that can withstand many bouts of inertia. You have 
				to have a machine’s body. Or more correctly a Grey type body. A 
				Mercury sponge providing the scaffolding. Infinitely fine gold 
				wiring interspersed within it to carry the ‘life’ power and 
				nanobots to provide artificial intelligence. This is exactly 
				what they have found in Russia, China and of course the 
				USA when 
				they have got these alien creatures under wraps. 
				 
				
				There is evidence 
				that the Germans have known about this all since before the last 
				world War and in fact Hitler is said to have spoken to one and 
				showed it to his closest henchman proclaiming the entity as the 
				new future ‘Man’. The German people are seemingly the most 
				ignorant of all the European people about UFOs. I find that very 
				strange ! 
				
				Perhaps they are the ones that know most about these deadly 
				entities. With their efficient ways perhaps they have been the 
				best at keeping it all secret from their people. I wonder why!!! 
				(See SOTG … Page 211.) 
				 
				
				
				
				Can you explain in short and clear terms the way the 
				interception worked? What are the consequences in our behaviour? 
				Is it the main reason why we are supposedly damned? 
				
				The interception worked primarily by the Greys grafting onto the 
				genes of our ancestors genes that were copied from the clones of 
				their original Prime Beings. The clones that they were 
				programmed to look after at all costs, were becoming less and 
				less healthy with each replication and their Grey care-takers 
				were looking for a way to breathe new life into the regeneration 
				process. 
				 
				
				When they came upon 
				soul-bearing beings with an apparent facility for eternal 
				regeneration (i.e. the facility to age and decay in entropy yet 
				be reborn again with a seemingly new re-generated living 
				biology), they sought to harvest that facility for their clones. 
				Thus they set about genetically intercepting hominid lines that 
				they could reach on this planet with the aim of bridging their 
				clones’ biologies into the biologies of soul-bearing life forms. 
				This was of course a hopeless task as it is impossible to grasp 
				the non-physical with physical means. 
				 
				
				But the Grey roboids 
				would have no idea of the futility of what they were doing 
				because they could have no concept in their programming of 
				anything that is not of the physical universe. Anything or any 
				state of existence beyond those allowed by the enforced 
				paradigms of atoms. 
				
				The consequence to our behaviour of being intercepted and 
				influenced by the Greys is that we can become extensions of 
				their program to the extent that we are ourselves 
				programmable. Through their genetic interception we are 
				susceptible to their control and can be programmed by them to 
				carry out their agendas. As they are soul-less beings, the 
				influence of the programme will promote a kind of coldness and 
				expediency to seek self-centred goals without regard to the 
				impact on others. These are the qualities that tend to lead to 
				success in material terms so we would expect that the political 
				and economic leaders of our world would be likely to follow this 
				influence more strongly. 
				
				Regarding the question of whether this is why we are supposedly 
				damned I would suggest that we need to look at what being 
				‘damned’ means. In common parlance ‘damnation’ implies a one way 
				ticket to ‘hell’. "The Song of the Greys" suggests that 
				this 
				physical universe is the true hell. Our damnation is defined by 
				the fact that we are stuck here. It is our own minds and actions 
				which bind us but one could make a strong case to say that we 
				would have been less likely to have remained trapped if not for 
				the external influence of things like the Greys. Perhaps this is 
				why beings like Jesus would come to show us the way out of our 
				captivity… yes we are in captivity like animals, being farmed by 
				the greys. Maybe he came to restore the balance… in the ancient 
				Nag Hammadi Texts he is quoted as saying that there were 
				external powers which have had an interest in mankind from the 
				beginning. 
				 
				
				
				
				Do you think that any governmental institution is aware of 
				this situation? Do you think that the "deal between the U.S. 
				government and the grey" is a real thing and the only deal? 
				
				There is plenty of evidence from many sources, including actual 
				memorandums from Government and Military organizations, that 
				absolutely confirms that these institutions are fully aware of 
				the alien phenomenon and its reality. The famous Roswell 
				incident and all that has taken place in 
				
				
				
				Area 51 confirms that 
				there is indeed a hidden agenda that is running its course based 
				upon the combined interests of the Greys and certain factions 
				within the U.S. Government. 
				 
				
				However I am sure 
				that the U.S. Government is not the only organization 
				infiltrated with individuals who are controlled by Grey masters. 
				The Greys have supreme intelligence and you would expect them to 
				use that intelligence to plan for the best, most efficient 
				achievement of their aims amongst humanity. That would involve 
				planting their hybrids, their most controllable individuals, 
				amongst the key echelons of power around the world. Of course 
				this marks any one who thinks this, as a danger to these 
				‘alienised cartels’. 
				 
				
				They dismiss it all 
				of course as paranoid hysteria, but if what I am postulating in 
				the book SOTG is even remotely true then it is impossible to be 
				paranoid enough. Sincere seekers of the truth have been misled 
				so many times by the world’s leading governments with their 
				favorite dismissal line ‘O they are just conspiracy theorists’ 
				only to find that in most instances these conspiracy theorists 
				were right. The Gulf of Tonkin incident, and the fiasco of lies 
				and distortion about Iraq’s WMD’s are only two significant 
				examples of this. 
				 
				
				A secret of the size 
				that aliens may be our ‘pseudo fathers’ farming homo sapiens 
				sapiens and hell bent on harvesting their progeny to steal their 
				DNA is so sensational a thing, that no one who is part of their 
				conspiracy will be about to admit it. The entire fiscal system 
				of the world would collapse in no time and chaos would reign in 
				Occidental countries particularly if it was discovered that 
				abductees have witnessed huge numbers of white-Caucasian bodies 
				(presumably human clones) wrapped and sealed for their use. (See 
				answer to your later question) 
				 
				
				
				
				Is there any material solution to struggle against this 
				phenomenon of interception? 
				
				There is no material solution to the problem of alien influence. 
				Their technology is millennia in advance of ours so we can’t 
				stop them physically. Ultimately the only way to guarantee 
				escape from influence of any kind is to escape the physical 
				universe by changing our minds and actions to make them 
				congruent with the eternal universe of the whole – the ‘Godverse’. Game set and match to the great religious teachers 
				of the past who constantly warned us of this peril. As a species 
				we just did not understand what they meant. 
				
				They have programmed in to their intercepted lines of mankind 
				all the mechanisms necessary to keep their experiments intact 
				and functioning. Racism and tribalism are a case in point. What 
				better way to keep experimental groups separate in order to 
				avoid one experiment leaking into another and affecting the 
				final result, than to programme separatism and tribal identity 
				into the experimental subjects. The racism of the 
				white-Caucasian (their most well-intercepted grouping) is highly 
				efficient in keeping out any other genetic influences that might 
				dilute the experiment and hence the results of the interception.
				
				 
				
				
				
				When you say that the greys are connected to a prime being, 
				this prime being is of the same nature as our prime being 
				(unity, love, perfect etc)? Does this grey prime being have 
				really the same physical appearance as the short grey? 
				
				Yes, they would have had similar qualities to our original prime 
				beings because they would have just entered this universe from 
				the universe of the Whole and so would retain some of the 
				properties of the latter. However it is crucial to make the 
				distinction between the CLONES of these prime beings and the
				ROBOID GREYS that were built to look after these CLONES in an 
				entropic universe that was continually eroding their already 
				fragile biological prospectus. 
				 
				
				A PRIME BEING is a 
				being with a soul-line connecting it with Godhead. As such it is 
				a receiver of the unionizing power of the infinitely present 
				light of God in the Universe of parts and is able to channel and 
				shape that power to keep its physical housing intact despite the 
				onslaughts of the physical entropic forces that are a constant 
				factor affecting all things physical. In other words, that power 
				provides for what we might call the ‘spark of life’ in living 
				systems. 
				 
				
				A CLONE has an 
				indirect connection to that unionizing power through the PRIME 
				BEING from which it was cloned. 
				
				
				 
				
				But a GREY ROBOID has NO 
				connection to that power, it is a purely physical, material 
				artifact designed to resist the forces of a physical universe 
				and protect the CLONES from those forces. For that reason the 
				GREYS need bear no physical resemblance to the PRIME BEINGS. 
				 
				
				
				
				Why does a prime being need to see, to feel his creation 
				through the universe of parts? 
				
				The Prime Beings entered the universe to view separation from 
				the point of view of separation. That is the one thing that 
				can’t be seen from the universe of the whole – The GODVERSE. 
				There is no compulsion to do this but it happens through the 
				exercise of free choice. Ultimately, in logical terms, it is not 
				possible to explain why any particular choice is made by the use 
				of free choice. If you think about it, if you could fully 
				explain why a choice HAD to be made then that choice would not 
				be free. 
				
				However, it is my experience that for many people the most 
				puzzling and seemingly bizarre conundrum for them to understand 
				is why anything that originates from the all knowing, perfection 
				of Godhead would freely choose a state in which that knowing is 
				limited. From our point of view, as already limited beings, such 
				a choice would be insane! But the point is that we cannot look 
				at it from our point of view, we can only understand it if we 
				try to logically understand the nature of the all-knowing state.
				
				 
				
				The all-knowing 
				state is all knowingness itself and as such it would implicitly 
				seek the knowledge of that which it cannot know from its 
				all-knowing state i.e. the limited state of separation and 
				restricted knowledge. Thus the expression of Godness into the 
				Universe of parts was a natural expression of the 
				all-encompassing reach for knowledge implicit in Godhead. Once 
				that expression was made the freedom of choice to stay in the 
				universe or return to Godhead was implicit and most Prime Being 
				chose to return, to be exact 95-96% returned, a figure which is 
				exactly proportional to the amount of ‘missing’ or ‘dark’ matter 
				and energy in the physical universe! 
				 
				
				
				
				In your system, is there a hierarchy between prime beings? A 
				prime being who creates the prime being of the grey and of the 
				human? 
				
				No, no-one creates Prime Beings of any kind. That is what it 
				means to be a Prime Being. Prime Beings arise out of the 
				potential of all absolutes in the Godverse. Ultimately, that is 
				their beginning and their end. They are PRIME beings because 
				they are the first representations of the GODVERSE when it 
				materializes as Universes or dimensions of separated parts of 
				the ALL 
				
				Again it is crucial to understand that the GREYS have no actual 
				connections with the Prime Beings that created them. They are 
				machines with no living component. It is the CLONES that were 
				created by these Prime Beings that are connected to those Prime 
				Beings. 
				
				 
				
				In addition some of those Prime Beings themselves may 
				have become caught in the universe of parts and devolved down to 
				grosser and grosser states of being. They may have devolved from 
				relatively insubstantial ‘hydrogen-beings’ into the far more 
				substantial ‘water-based’ physicalities that are equivalent to 
				our human physicalities now. 
				
				Thus you could say that there are four different types of entity 
				that can be identified in this universe: 
				
					
						
						1. The 
							Prime Beings
2. The Prime beings devolved into grosser, more 
							entrapped states
3. The Clones
4. The Grey Roboids
					
				
				
				 
				
				What do you think 
				about some conspiracy theories like this one: "the short greys 
				are in fact some kind of reptilian or draconis, lizard related 
				being? They are involved in our development, they influenced it 
				because they manipulated a black world government? The grey as 
				reptilian is incarnated in some famous personalities like the 
				england world family (black nobility). They are cruel, merciless 
				and they want our destruction? It is in fact the theory of David 
				Icke and some other conspiracy theoreticians. What do you think 
				about them? 
				
				I would not call the Greys ‘cruel’ because to be cruel you have 
				to have feelings. I think the problem with Icke’s work is that 
				it mixes some salient points with some palpable nonsense and 
				this tends to make people reject all his ideas although some of 
				them are very cogent. 
				
				However there are many abductees who have reported seeing a kind 
				of reptilian being in spacecraft and there are certain 
				clairvoyants who claim to see manifested behind certain 
				individuals the shape of a lizard. I believe that it is quite 
				possible that the original clones whom the Greys were programmed 
				to serve may well be the clones of a type of Prime Being that 
				devolved (if it got caught in the physical universe) into a form 
				of reptile. Perhaps the dinosaurs were the end of their 
				devolving line. That would make this planet the home planet of 
				the original Prime Beings from whom the Clones and the
				Greys 
				came. 
				
				It is possible that our species Homo Sapiens Sapiens comes from 
				another set of Prime Beings whose natal point is at some other 
				location in the universe and whose devolutionary path takes the 
				form of the ape rather than the lizard. All animal species are 
				the ends of devolutionary lines of different groups of Prime 
				Being that entered the universe at different locations in 
				space-time. The various physical forms that these species have 
				taken are dependant upon the shape of the particular 
				‘force-print’ in which that devolution happened. Gravitational 
				fields, magnetic fields etc would all have a part to play. 
				
				If the Greys that have visited and are visiting our planet were 
				created and programmed by Prime Beings that originated from this 
				planet then it would make sense that they would return to their 
				point of origin when the clones that they were programmed to 
				serve began to break down. Those of their original Prime Beings 
				who did not return to Godhead might by that time have devolved 
				into the dinosaurs and were too distant from the original Prime 
				Being state to be of any use to them. 
				 
				
				So they set about 
				converting hominid species that were closer to that Prime Being 
				state for their purposes. The only problem was that their 
				conversion pattern in their programme was for a pattern of prime 
				being that had the devolutionary format of a reptile. Perhaps 
				that is why the clairvoyants that I have mentioned see the 
				reptile form behind intercepted individuals. 
				 
				
				
				
				Since the publication of the book, is there something new, 
				some new facts or precision about the grey that you don’t have 
				the opportunity to mention? 
				
				Yes. I have discovered the reason why the Greys genetically 
				engineered a species – the white-Caucasian that is lacking in 
				the dark pigment melanin on the surface of the skin. The 
				distinguished biologist and geneticist Professor Steve Jones of 
				the Galton Laboratory of University College London in his 
				fascinating book: 
				
					
					’In The Blood - 
					God Genes And Destiny’ outlines a biological fact, which 
					in my opinion may be a very plausible reason why the vast 
					majority of abductees are white Caucasians. Jones points out 
					that although the number of melanocytes is the same in 
					blacks and whites, ’in black skin they are far more active 
					and the melanin granules cluster around the nuclei of the 
					cells in which they are found, suggesting that they play a 
					vital part in protecting DNA from damage by ultraviolet 
					light’. 
				
				
				This would also 
				prevent ultra-violet light being used to alter gene orientation 
				(a standard method used to splice genes) within the nuclear 
				membrane because melanin absorbs light and reduces its power to 
				splice gene sequences. 
				
				 
				
				I postulated in The Song of the Greys’ , 
				that the cell’s mitochondria ( which includes DNA that is 
				independent of the nuclear DNA of the cell and is, to a certain 
				extent, uninvolved in functions which benefit the cell) can act 
				as a conduit through which information from the alien beings, 
				who may have inserted this DNA, can pass. When this possibility 
				is considered together with the above mentioned qualities of 
				melanin, certain implications can be gleaned. 
				
				Much of what light is and light can do is mysterious to science. 
				We know that in all the described abduction cases, indeed in all 
				the interactions that have been claimed with these aliens, ’light’ is described as an effect that they use to move, 
				intercept, and induce, all kinds of procedures. We have to 
				assume that light (and this ’light’ may be seen as a kind of 
				universal force management polarization factor), may be crucial 
				as their means of reaching and interacting with our species. 
				Melanin, as a dark pigment, absorbs light. Nuclear DNA that is 
				protected by the melanin granules that are clustered around it, 
				may therefore be safe from any alien engendered effect that is 
				expressed through the way they use light. 
				
				Karen Brewer, associate professor in the Department of Chemistry 
				at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, has written 
				
				 
				
				an article in the New 
				Scientist (30.8.97) which outlines the research that she and her 
				team are conducting into the possibility of light-activated 
				anti-cancer drugs. Her group has created synthetic molecules 
				that "when flooded with light, have the potential to carry out 
				a wide range of tasks, such as synthesizing useful compounds, 
				generating clean fuels or attacking tumours". 
				 
				
				The chemicals that 
				are used to carry out these tasks are known as "supramolecules". "Chemists can mix and match the units to create 
				supramolecules that are tailor-made for particular tasks". Karen 
				Brewer describes how photons could stimulate a platinum active 
				site in the anticancer drug cisplatin. 
				
				 
				
				She outlines how the drug 
				would be ’switched on’ at the tumour site by exposure to laser 
				radiation. This would result in a strong bond between the platinum atom and the DNA bases which would prevent the 
				DNA 
				unzipping and replicating and so stop the tumour cells 
				multiplying. Brewer also explains that a "broad range of 
				wavelengths" can be used to activate the supramolecule so that 
				it would be possible to "tune light absorbers to capture photons 
				at certain wavelengths". 
				 
				
				The use of light to 
				bind a metal into DNA bases is thus illustrated here as a 
				technology that is already within our reach. If our relatively 
				primitive technology is capable of this, what more might the 
				supremely advanced technologies of alien beings be capable of in 
				their ability to use the properties of light to bind their 
				elements into the DNA of human beings. 
				
				Melanin has also been found to have a capacity to conduct 
				electric fields. Encounters with alien beings or craft have been 
				demonstrated to take place, with by far the greatest frequency, 
				at locations at which there are particularly high 
				electro-magnetic fields (power stations, military bases etc). 
				
				
				 
				
				High electro-magnetic fields also seem to be put out by the 
				alien craft themselves, often causing widespread power failures 
				in the areas in which they appear. The conducting properties of 
				melanin would enable it, perhaps, to act as a sort of Faraday 
				cage conducting electric fields away from the nucleus of the 
				cell and thus preventing alien procedures from reaching the DNA 
				in the nucleus. If high electro-magnetic fields are a vehicle 
				through which these aliens can reach humanity then it may indeed 
				be the case that dark skinned people have a natural barrier to 
				that reach. 
				
				The surviving ancient primaeval dark-skinned races of our 
				planet, for so long looked on with marques such as primitive and 
				inferior by racists and eugenists, may in fact, with ultimate 
				irony, turn out to be superior in the race of the soul survival 
				stakes. It may well be that these so-called ‘less developed’ 
				people are naturally more genetically resistant to and thus 
				stronger at preventing, the hybridization of their humanity and 
				therefore their souls by an alien form of robotic bio-mechanical 
				lizard hell-bent on hijacking them. 
				
				Professor Jones also makes the point that the colour change from 
				dark skins to fair skins, that is said to have taken place when 
				the migration out of Africa brought human beings to Europe, does 
				not necessarily make sense when seen in terms of biological 
				advantage. It is accepted generally that this change was due to 
				the fact that a fair (or, in other words, transparent) skin 
				would absorb more of the meager levels of ultra-violet light 
				that are available in Northern climes. 
				 
				
				The absorption of 
				ultra-violet light is necessary, we are told, to aid in the 
				production of vitamin D, vital for the production of strong 
				bones and teeth. Steve Jones says that "although the idea of 
				rickets as the driving force behind the evolution of skin colour 
				is attractive, melanin was probably not lost because of changes 
				in vitamin balance". He points out that "rickets is a disease of 
				civilization", a disease which only became common as cities grew 
				in the middle ages. 
				 
				
				Even blacks only 
				need two hours a week of sunlight to stay healthy. "At first 
				sight" says Professor Jones, "evolution has got it wrong. If 
				human’s followed the rules that apply to other animals, who have 
				been a lot longer on the real estate, Europeans ought to be 
				black and Africans white", simply because dark objects absorb 
				more of the suns light and heat. However, it is also true that 
				blacks are able to sweat more than whites and, says Jones, this 
				"more than compensates for the effects of skin colour" . 
				
				 
				
				There are also the 
				obvious advantages of a dark skin in the tropics which lie in 
				its the ability to protect the skin from the harmful effects of 
				high levels of ultra-violet light. So the advantages of a fair 
				skin, no matter what the climate, are difficult to find in 
				evolutionary terms. However, in terms of an aid to an easy and 
				efficient alien interception of the human genome, the advantages 
				are, I believe, enormous. 
				
				Another discovery that has great relevance for our understanding 
				of the Greys interception of our species is that of recent 
				developments in the science of
				
				 
				
				nanotechnology. Imagine a world 
				where disease could be eradicated by an injection of tiny robots 
				the size of molecules. That is the hope offered by 
				nanotechnology - the science of microscopically small machines.
				
				 
				
				But others fear 
				nanotechnology could lead to a non-biological cancer - where 
				swarms of tiny nanobots come together and literally devour human 
				flesh. This all sounded like science-fiction until a brilliant 
				young scientist called Hendrik Schön seemed to bring it a step 
				closer. Schön’s great breakthrough was to make a computer 
				transistor out of a single organic molecule. It was an 
				achievement of almost incalculable brilliance. Some speculated 
				this technology could spell the end of the entire silicon chip 
				industry. 
				
				Crucially, Schön’s transistor was organic. Suddenly, this seemed 
				to be the first step towards true nanotechnology, where minute 
				computers could grow as living cells. Scientists speculated 
				about how these tiny machines could be used to target diseases 
				with astonishing precision. Others wondered - could the military 
				use them as a new weapon? Others, including Prince Charles, were 
				terrified. If these machines can grow by themselves, how do we 
				stop them from growing? 
				
				Schon’s results were eventually discredited as fraudulent, he 
				was accused of fabricating some of his data. However he stands 
				by his results to this day. Could it be that his research hit 
				too close to the mark of what Grey alien technology has been 
				carrying out throughout history with humanity as their 
				experimental subjects. 
				 
				
				Therefore he had to be discredited. Tiny 
				implants have been found in many abductees, could these be nanobots programmed to transform the human genetic prospectus? 
				
				
				 
				
				
				
				
				
				Are you aware that the book is unique and that there is as 
				far as I know no other book like the song of the greys (method, 
				theory, content, scientific approach and deductions etc)? 
				
				I would hope that other people have independently come to the 
				same conclusions as the book is not trying to be ground-breaking 
				or original it is just trying to make an attempt at rationally 
				getting closer to the truth about the alien phenomenon and the 
				human condition. 
				
				What were the reactions of the scientific with this book? 
				Does the evolutionist react "against" your thesis of devolution 
				and alien interception? What were the reactions of the "ufologist"?
				
				
				We have not heard the reactions of many of the scientific 
				community or ufologists to the book. I (Dr. Andrew Silverman) 
				spoke many years ago spoke to Prof. John Maynard Smith (a 
				leading evolutionary biologist) after a public lecture in 
				Scotland about the devolution of species…. the professor said 
				that he couldn’t fault the logic of the argument that postulated 
				devolution although he didn’t agree with it! 
				
				In 2003 a book was published by Michael A. Cremo (a specialist 
				in the history and philosophy of science) called ‘Human 
				Devolution’. Cremo’s research suggests that humans have existed 
				on earth for hundreds of millions of years. 
				
				 
				
				This evidence 
				totally contradicts
				
				
				
				Darwinian evolution so Cremo asks the 
				question,
				
					
					"If we did not devolve up from apes then 
					where did we 
				come from"
				
				
				In answer to that 
				question he comes to the conclusion that,
				
					
					"We did not evolve up 
				from matter; instead we devolved, or came down, from the realm 
				of pure consciousness, spirit". 
				
				
				Six years previous to
				Cremo’s 
				book, when "The Song Of The Greys" was published, 
				Nigel Kerner 
				had come to the same conclusion. In fact I can stand witness to 
				the fact that he came to that conclusion in 1985, nineteen years 
				ago!