Daily Bell: We've interviewed
you before so now we'll try to update our readers. But give us
some background for those who don't know.
David Icke: I was born in Leicester, England in 1952.
I became a
professional soccer player and my career ended at the age of 21,
with rheumatoid arthritis. I became a journalist because it was
always one of my interests, as well as soccer, since I was a
kid, and worked for newspapers and then radio and then
television with the BBC.
I was a news presenter first of all,
and then went into full time sport. While I was at the BBC I
became the National Spokesperson for the British Green Party,
which allowed me to see politics from the inside, and see that
it was going to be an answer to nothing.
I then had some paranormal experiences which started this
22-year path of uncovering what is happening in the world and
who's doing it.
Daily Bell: What are your main preoccupations?
David Icke: As I mentioned, I had some amazing paranormal
experiences in 1991. They had started before that but they
became really in-your-face then.
But from that period, my life
has been a series of constant synchronistic experiences and
happenings, which has led me to information in various forms - books, documents, personal experiences, or other people
have almost been handing me pieces of a puzzle, and they have
been handed in a most effective order, to see how they fit, as
quickly as possible.
So this jigsaw puzzle has been put
together, year on year on year, and goes on.
To use another analogy, I have been going deeper and deeper into
the rabbit hole. In the early days, it was all about the fact
that a network of families were manipulating world events - they
controlled the banking system, the political system, the
transaction of corporations, science and all the rest of it.
Then it moved on into the realms that there were non-human
entities behind this control system and they were orchestrating
it from the shadows. And I continued my research deeper and
I have a new book coming out in the next couple of weeks, called
Remember Who You Are, and that is a big area I have been
focusing on, which is remembering who we are. It's my contention
that humans are being manipulated on multiple levels, but one of
the main levels is to sell us a false identity.
So we think, I'm
just little me, I have no power, I am just my body, my name, my
job, my income bracket, and that's who I am, when that's just an
experience or a series of experiences.
That's not who we are.
Remembering who we are - which
is consciousness, having that
experience - is the way to bring about dramatic change in the
world, and to bring this control system down.
system is fundamentally founded on billions of people living a
false sense of self and identity.
Daily Bell: Tell us about "Truth Vibrations."
David Icke: As you know, I was a soccer player and a television
presenter and right after I had a series of what you would
perceive to be 'paranormal' experiences, compared to people's
everyday sense of normality.
This happened to me in 1991 and is
detailed in my books. At that point, I came across a number of
'psychic' people and I had never met psychic people before. They
all told me the same information: We are being told to tell you
this information. The gist of it was that I was going to go out
on the world stage eventually and reveal great secrets.
paraphrasing here but humanity had to be told the story of what
was really happening compared with what is really happening. The
veil had to be lifted.
I was told at that time - and there's no evidence for it - that
there was a vibrational information change - what I would call
now a change in the information fabric in our reality - that was
planning to have two major effects.
The first one was going to
act like a spiritual alarm clock to wake up more and more people
from the amnesic state that humanity has been put into.
Secondly, all that has been hidden from us is going to be
brought to the surface, and happening in my life time.
there was no evidence whatsoever that would be happening in my
I looked at these people and said,
"What are you
But as the years have passed both of those things have
First, the number of people awakening now
is amazing; it's an exponential curve. Going around the world in
2011, I traveled about 45,000 miles, and it is amazing
everywhere. And the people attending my events - judges and
politicians are turning up. What? This is how far it's gotten.
If you look at how much information we know now that we knew
nothing about 20 years ago, that has now come to the surface - look at what we've come to know this past year, 5 years, 10
years about what is happening. The information keeps circulating
and now through all these walks of life people are seeing its
So these truth vibrations are happening and it is what I was
told was going to happen by bringing the truth to the surface.
That's where I got the name. It can't be stopped.
It's a matter
of how painful this transition is going to be.
Daily Bell: That was a big discussion in your last book,
Race Get Off Your Knees - The Lion Sleeps No More. How is your
latest book doing? Tell us about it.
David Icke: What I have noticed for a number of years now, and
is becoming more and more obvious, is the number of people, all
around the world - I flew 45,000 miles in 2011 on speaking
tours, literally around the world - who are asking the question,
"What's going on in the world? I don't like it. I feel uneasy
about what's happening. What is going on?"
So I wrote the new
book to connect the dots and to say this is what's going on:
Additives in food, bombing countries, the banking crash, etc.,
all connect, and when you see how they connect then you can
really see the game that is actually being played.
What we call the global conspiracy is a vast tapestry of
different strands that all connect.
You can see onerous ones,
like taking over country after country after county, through
grotesque violence or manipulating the population to do it for
you - but they are going to make sure the people know who the
leaders are at the end of it.
And then you see things like life
being made near impossible for small farmers to function. There
are more and more attacks on the ability of people to grow their
own food. All of these things can be shown - smart groups and
smart meters, all of these things can be shown to be part of one
tapestry, not operating individually.
They're a tapestry of
effects and attacks on human society to create something that
would make even George Orwell wince.
Daily Bell: You have been traveling and speaking extensively
since we spoke in February 2010. Give us an idea about how you
are being received, the numbers of people in attendance and what
has changed for you.
David Icke: Quite a lot has changed, really.
When I started out
in 1991 I couldn't fill a phone booth with people who wanted to
listen, although I could have filled the biggest building in the
world with people who wanted to ridicule and abuse.
As the years
have passed, more and more people have started to ask questions.
The biggest thing for me was 9/11, when a lot of people
instinctively and intuitively knew something wasn't right but
they couldn't put words to it. That was a big change, in terms
of interest in my work. Then, after the invasion of Iraq and no
weapons of mass destruction were found, that was another big
But as I have said for a long time, there will come a time when
this whole conspiracy theory has to break the surface. You can
manipulate covertly up to a point, but there will come a stage
where you have to start laying the bricks and mortar, buildings
of this society you have been heading towards.
When it breaks
the surface, people can see it.
We are receiving numerous
confirmations daily, that
the Orwellian state is being
introduced, and that human freedom is being deleted at an
amazingly fast pace, it has become very obvious. So we are now
at this point where it becomes tangible, and as people have
dismissed it in the past because they didn't want it to be true,
they are now having it put in their face. They can go into deep
denial but that's becoming more difficult because it's so
I was in Australia, and they are introducing legislation in the
summer that will cause people to lose state benefits for their
children if their children don't have all the vaccinations that
the government wants them to have. These things are happening
all over the world. It's a globally coordinated operation.
The other interesting thing that I found, and not just in terms
of the numbers, is the kinds of people who are attending my
speeches. People from all walks of life are starting to attend.
You know, everyone gives off a certain energy and in the past, I
would know where I was speaking, if I was in England, Germany or
America, because depending upon where I was I could sense the
energy and I would speak to that specific place, West Coast or
East Coast, for instance.
Talking around Britain, I would speak
to that certain area, based on the nature of the audience and
what energy I was receiving. But that has fundamentally changed
in the last two years.
When I went around the world this time, all over Europe and
Australia, America and the rest of it, they were the same
audience. When I was in LA in the spring it was an LA audience - that energy, that feel.
Then I went to Bavaria, same energy.
Croatia, same energy. All over Australia, same energy. New
Zealand, same energy. There is an awakening going on. People are
starting to tap into the same collective awareness and expanded
The energy is the same because they are tapping into
that same source.
It's a very exciting time, and at the time
this is happening, you've got this control system throwing
everything at us, more than ever before, and as quickly as it
Daily Bell: We've asked you this before. Is your work a metaphor
- an allegory - even though it's not understood that way?
David Icke: I don't do allegory except when I'm using it to
symbolize a concept. I am certainly not using allegory when I'm
talking about what's behind the conspiracy and the nature in
which the conspiracy works.
I only use allegorical symbolism
when I'm trying to use symbols that people can relate to, to
understand deeper concepts of stuff, but absolutely no allegory
Daily Bell: Have you become more radicalized? Is that possible?
David Icke: No, that's not possible but I am learning more and
going further and further down the rabbit hole.
I am the same in
that sense as when I started out, absolutely. I am much more
informed now, though. We learn from our experiences all our
information and our sources of information. In terms of radical
- absolutely not.
We need a fundamental transformation of human
society and that will only come with a fundamental
transformation of humanity's perception of itself and the world.
Daily Bell: Is the New World Order becoming a reality?
David Icke: Yes, it is becoming a reality by the day, quite
The projections of the plans that were in my books
in the 1990s, like And the Truth will set you Free, which I
wrote in 1994, are playing out on the television news now. It's
kind of surreal to me to watch it. So yes, it is happening.
But at the same time, the awakening is providing more and more
potential to challenge it and to prevent it reaching its goal.
But if we are going to do that, people have to disconnect their
backsides from the sofa pretty damn quick, open their minds and
see what's going on.
What's interesting to me is that this whole
New World Order is playing out from the page, if you like, into
human society in such a predictable way. Everything we've been
talking about for years, about what was planned, is happening on
all these different levels.
And why shouldn't it be when from time to time people on the
inside have spoken about what the plan was with audiences they
thought were quite safe, though some of them weren't. So what
was reported as being said back in the '60s is now happening. So
this is a very long-term plan that is playing out.
This is why I
say to people that if we are going to understand how this great
tapestry, this tsunami of inter-connected happenings across the
great spectrum of life and society, are happening together at
the same time, all dove-tailing together, are we really going to
say or believe that all that is being orchestrated by people in
dark seats, sitting around the table, charting their next move?
I have said that if you are an expert on 9/11 or an expert on
banking scams and political scams and manipulations of that kind
then that's fantastic.
But if that is all you are doing you're
still walking around the outer edge of the rabbit hole. You
haven't entered it yet. This is much, much deeper than most
people perceive, even for those who are fully aware that this
New World Order is happening. It's only when you get to the
deeper levels that A) you can see more clearly how it's being
done and B) see how it can be brought down.
This new world order
can be unraveled, which our world depends upon us doing. But
with all the diversions being thrown at us, we must understand
how we keep our power in the process, because very few people in
full knowledge of what they are doing are behind us.
population is 7 billion, and I think I see a way out of this,
but we have to get informed, and once we are informed we have to
act upon that information.
Daily Bell: What can be done to stop it? Where do things end for
David Icke: There are two ways to respond to a situation.
can try to find a solution, and we are drowning in those, or you
can address the cause of the problem. And the cause of the
problem is that humanity in general has been manipulated - and I
understand why, because the programming runs from womb to tomb
constantly, through what we call education and the media and
what we call sources of so-called information.
Humanity has been
programmed into a completely false, fake and fundamentality
limited sense of self. It's constantly given diversions to keep
its attention occupied so it can't see what's going on, and has
focused on individual dots in daily life rather than seeing how
So what we need to do is this.
First off, people need to open
their minds because while people have closed minds they can
perceive only the possibilities they have been programmed to
believe in, which is about the size of a pea. They are not even
going to look at what is really going on because they are going
to dismiss it with reflex action.
So you have to be open-minded
and allow other possibilities, however outrageous and bizarre,
to have their say and make their case instead of being dismissed
by reflex action.
Then we need people to start to really evaluate who they are.
They are consciousness, infinite awareness having an experience.
What the system has done has manipulated people to believe that
who they are is the experience. So you sweep the roads, you read
Oh, you're more successful than him but if he never
read the news for a month or he never cleaned the streets, whom
would we miss most?
Secondly, it puts labels upon people. You
are a newsreader, you are a street cleaner - it's the collective
version of the Indian caste system. We relate to each other
because you're a road sweeper and you read the news but these
are just experiences. If we stop self identifying ourselves with
these labels and stop perceiving and responding to other people
on the basis of a label that they've been given - oh, you're a
queen; oh, you sweep the streets - then we can start to break
down these fault lines that divide and rule based on status,
color, race, income bracket, culture and all the rest of it.
They are just manufactured fault lines, used to divide and rule
the target population.
Whether you are dealing with the number disparity between those
who in full knowledge are doing the manipulating and those who
are being manipulated, then those who are manipulating have to
divide and rule the target population. Even more than that, they
have to recruit from the target population.
They need enforcers
in uniform, they need administrators in government, the dark
suits to run the system, because there are not enough of those
in full knowledge of what they are doing.
So there is a stream of things we can do.
First, open our minds
to possibilities and let possibilities have their say.
we re-evaluate who we are, realize we are not limited but rather
we are limitless, so then we can re-evaluate the power that we
have to make a difference in the world.
When you do that you
realize that the whole conspiracy to enslave us is only possible
because those being enslaved cooperate with their own
Then we can start withdrawing our acquiescence from
the system that's enslaving us.
If someone comes out of the White House or Downing Street and
"We've had a meeting and we've decided that ABC is going
to happen," that will only happen if the population in general
acquiesces to that happening.
If the population says,
are not doing that,"
...then the person in the White House or
Downing Street has no power.
They do not have the numbers. The
answer is staring us in the face. It's basic mathematics - seven
billion being manipulated and a handful in full knowledge doing
the manipulating. We need to start activating these numbers.
Now, with the Occupy protest, that was a start, it was a
stirring, but we need to move this on to beyond a simple protest
to non-cooperation with these people or these forces of
Here's a simple thing. Look at house foreclosures
and people losing their jobs. People who are foreclosed upon by
banks should not leave their homes. They have a moral right to
those homes and the banks are the very entities that have caused
the foreclosures. We need people to take a stand. They should
not be leaving their homes.
The banks have created these
foreclosures and have lead people to lose their jobs based on
circumstances the banks themselves have created. People need to
refuse to leave their homes in vast numbers. If you do it one or
two or a handful they will pick you off.
We need to do it in
large numbers. We need organizations created that way, so people
are organized and stay in their homes when they are foreclosed.
People are in the streets, people homeless, people living in
tents. This is ludicrous while all these homes sit empty. If we
accept it we will experience it.
If we don't accept it, we'll
Daily Bell: We've been arguing lately that people ought not to
use the word Zionism but should call the elite a mafia, even a
Jewish Mafia - one that hires 'Jewish' people the way that the
Italian Mafia hires Italian Catholics.
Why is it that the
alternative news media is so intent on the using the word
Zionist? What is a Zionist? Doesn't using the word confuse the
issue? Isn't the issue really one of organized crime?
David Icke: Well, this is a very big area and one I am happy to
speak about because I have been speaking about it for a long,
There are many people in the alternative media who
won't go here but they need to big time, to understand what's
happening, mostly they are frightened of the consequences. I am
not interested in consequences; I'm interested in what's
happening. Consequences will take care of themselves.
What has happened is that there has been a massive mind
manipulation going on that has caused people to acquaint the
word Zionist with Jewish, as if every Jew is a Zionist. Now,
quite demonstrably that is nonsense.
There are significant
numbers of Jewish people who not only
don't support Zionism but
venomously oppose it, but because they have equated in the
public mind that Zionism equals 'the Jewish race,' then if you
challenge Zionism, you must be anti-Semitic (which actually
means anti-Arab but that's another story).
Anyway, I call it, whenever I use the term, Rothschild Zionism,
because I want to closely underpin that which created it, and
that which controls it to this day for its own ends. Zionism in
its public persona is a political philosophy that believes its
own things should happen. But at its core it's a secret society,
as much a secret society that anyone could name.
Rothschild's control it.
So when we see 1.7% - 2% of the American people being Jewish,
and significant numbers of them oppose Zionism, so then you have
a smaller number of people who support Zionism, then you've got
an infinitely smaller number, that are Zionists - who only
support Zionism because they've been sold the idea that Zionism
is the belief that Zionism should happen or be.
Which brings us
to the core of Rothschild Zionism, which are those people who
are members of the secret society, and who are operating in full
knowledge of what they are doing.
They're the people that end up
in such ludicrous ratio, of the Zionists who in the population
to Zionists in power are the forms of,
people like Rahm Emanuel,
the handler of Barack Obama
people like David Axelrod, who ran
Obama's election campaigns and oversees the words on the
teleprompter to this day
people like Paul Wolfowitz, who was
the main power in the Pentagon at the time of 9/11
people like Dov Zakheim, who was Comptroller at the time of 9/11
like Michael Chertoff, who was the co-author of the Patriot Act
and the second head of Homeland Security
The people running the
lies and ludicrous
climate change and
global warming policies in
the Obama administration are Rothschild Zionists.
You look at
the head of the
Federal Reserve through Reagan, Father
Clinton and almost to boy Bush, Alan Greenspan,
Here is the man who orchestrated the
destruction of checks and balances that lead to the collapse,
manufactured and engineered, in 2008. He was replaced just
before all that happened with Ben Bernanke, who is another
Then you look at the people in the Clinton administration, the
Secretaries of the Treasury, etc., and people who followed with
them, who massively imposed the destruction of checks and
balances that Greenspan was working for and,
you get Robert
Rubin, Rothschild Zionist
you get Larry Somers, Rothschild
you get Timothy Geithner, Rothschild Zionist
Obama comes in to solve all the problems that they created with
their destruction of checks and balances and the crash, and he
appoints Timothy Geithner, Rothschild Zionist, as his Secretary
of Treasury, his number two of economic policy, Larry Summers,
and so it goes on.
The ratio is absolutely fantastic. Then you look at the fact
that a country of eight million people is the biggest recipient
of American overseas aid and arms support and funding.
Earth is going on? Why?
Then you look at a useless, despicable man called Benjamin
Netanyahu, who's treating Palestinians just as bad as the bloody
Nazis did, comes and speaks to an assembly on Capital Hill and
he gets standing ovation after standing ovation for talking
total nonsense. It's because the Rothschild Zionists have taken
over American politics, American foreign policy and American
government, at all the different levels.
They took over the British government a long time ago; it's just
more obvious now.
In Britain we have,
David Cameron, the prime
minister, Rothschild Zionist
the opposition party, the
Labor Party, a guy called Ed Milliband, Rothschild Zionist
There are less than 300,000 Jewish people in Britain compared
with a population of more than 60 million. What's going on?
I went to New Zealand late last year and the Jewish population
in New Zealand is not even a point percentage but Prime Minister
Key is a Rothschild Zionist. It's an elephant in the living
If any of these people were Chinese or Arab or South
African people would be asking,
"What's going on?"
are frightened about pointing out the elephant in the living
room because they're frightened of the consequences and the
reaction. If we don't want to live in a world of total and utter
Orwellian control we better start acknowledging the elephant in
the living room pretty quick.
Daily Bell: Give us your opinion
about 9/11? We ask this
question almost weekly but would like to hear form you.
David Icke: I published one of the first books on 9/11, called
Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Centre Disaster - Why
the official story of 9/11 is a monumental lie.
It's my view,
that this was a combination of American military intelligence - we talk about
the CIA but it's all military intelligence,
whatever they may say. That includes the Israeli military
intelligence, which is actually the enforcement arm of the
of Rothschild, it doesn't represent the interests of Jewish
people or Israel, it represents the interests of the Rothschilds.
And somewhere, without question, British military intelligence
would have been involved, it always bloody is.
The idea was to create a massive outrage that could be used to
justify what's been in the plan for a long time before that and
to justify a war on terror.
Of course, the
War on Terror is
George Orwell's "war without end."
If you have a war between two
or more countries, at some point someone is going to overcome
the other. But when you have a war on terror, how can you say
the war on terror has ever been won? You can't. Thus you have a
never-ending war - not a real one, but a fake one, but non the
less, one that justifies ongoing changes in society.
When you look at the 3,000 people who outrageously died on 9/11,
and you see the people who were offering the solutions, and the
responses were invading Afghanistan - in truth, invading Iraq (I
am actually saying that is the reason) - but justifying the war
on terror to do it, and all these other invasions that have
When you think that the people who were behind 9/11
were the people who engineered it to get the outcome they
wanted, then you see all the other terrorism that's gone on,
like bombing Baghdad and the tremendous loss of life in
Pakistan, Libya and what these unmanned drone bombers are doing
in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan - I mean, the number who died in
9/11, as horrific as it was, is dwarfed by the vast, vast
numbers who have been slaughtered and maimed, in the name of
The people fighting terror are the terrorists, of course, and
they were the terrorists behind 9/11.
But then you look at what
you might call real terrorism, genuine terrorism which comes
from people who are trying to make a statement and are not
connected to these hidden forces.
When you add the numbers of
people who have died from genuine terrorism, and you compare
those against those who died from unofficial state terrorism, it
is laughable, the numbers of one compared to the other. 9/11 was
pivotal. 9/11 was the trigger that has been the driver - first
of all constantly mentioned, and now in the background more - but
the driver for everything that has gone on since.
has said little in his life that I have ever agreed with, but he
did say after 9/11 that the world changed on 9/11 and that was
true. Why? Because it was meant to.
So 9/11 cannot be overstated
in its importance to what has happened since.
Daily Bell: What do you have to say about the
David Icke: These are expressions of what I call the
It is where you introduce the totalitarian
state, not all in one go, because then people would see
immediately what is happening, but you do it in stages and you
claim that each stage is connected to the other stage.
course, this has been going on now for decades and decades but
what happens, of course, is that the further you go along this
road towards your goal, the more extreme these different stages
become because you are getting closer and closer to your
ultimate extreme, which is this global, fascist, communist
This is what we are seeing now, more and more blatantly
outrageous destructions of even the most basic freedoms, and
this is an expression of them.
So obviously, this is appalling.
At least it is having an effect among some people and it is
showing them just how far we have gone, and sitting on their
hands on the fence is not an option any more. We are getting to
extreme levels with all of this.
Also, the way that Capitol
Hill, with a few honorable exceptions, is just nodding these
things through just shows the scale of control of these puppet
people that now exists.
Daily Bell: What do you have to say about Ron Paul and the way
media is ignoring him during the primaries, etc.? Will Ron Paul
be elected president in the US? Would that be a good thing?
David Icke: Well, that was always going to be the case.
certainly relate to Ron Paul's situation because of how the
media in Britain tried to slaughter me over the years.
interesting is that they went for the ridicule and abuse in the
1990s and proudly walked away from the corpse, and now the
corpse is talking to thousands of people, and they have
rediscovered me in the last two months and are hurling more
abuse at me. It's hilarious, really.
the media is
owned by the very people that we're talking about, thus the
people who work within the media operate to the blueprint of
those who are writing the checks. So the whole drive about
journalists being intellectual prostitutes is absolutely right - I just disagree with the intellectual part.
In terms of Ron Paul, it's up to the people to not allow that to
happen and I am seeing more and more people starting to get
I am sure if I sat around a table with Ron Paul, on
many things we wouldn't agree. But in terms of the candidates on
offer in the Republican Party, and Obama and his Democrats, this
guy is light years ahead of every one of them.
The rest of them
are all the same and just on the payroll of those who have
controlled every president in living memory.
Daily Bell: What's happening with the EU? How about the euro?
Give us some insight into living in the United Kingdom on this
David Icke: Oh, my goodness me, it's bloody hell. I have been
campaigning against the European Union for a long, long, long,
long time, even before I got into this stuff.
It's one of the
great totalitarian tiptoe stepping-stones to the world
government. Once upon a time, humans lived in tribes and the
tribes decided what happened in the tribe. Then we came to a
pivotal time, when the tribes were pulled together under what we
call nations and now there are a few people at the center of the
nation who are dictating to all the former tribes.
Now in Europe we are massively into the next stage, which is to
pull the nations together under a centralized bureaucratic
The European Union is the Soviet Union under
another name. The only real difference is what they want to
create. They have this farce, this joke called a European
parliament, which has no power whatsoever, and they say that
therefore the European Union is democratic because we have a
But we have people with no power. The real power is
in Brussels and in the dark-suited, appointed bureaucrats in the
bureau under another name, the European Commission.
One of the things I have been pointing out now for the best part
of 20 years is they obviously want a world government, they want
a world central bank, they want a world army, they want a world
currency and they want a
microchipped population. So if you look
at the world currency, what they were faced with were vast
numbers of national currencies.
So in the totalitarian tiptoe
stepping-stone, they needed to get rid of those currencies if
they were going to have their single electronic currency, which
is what they want. I call this technique
They need to have a constant series
of problems, to which they can offer solutions to advance the
agenda. This is why there is constant chaos and problems in the
world - because that's what's needed to generate and justify the
solutions that will transform society. 9/11 of course, is a
The euro was never, never going to be an end in
itself. The end in itself is a single, global, electronic
currency. The euro is a stalking horse, which is mucked up, all
those former individual currencies of Europe, like the Guilder,
the Franc, the Deutsche Mark, the Lira, and has pulled them
under one currency which has created quite a situation, it's a
bit like the Titanic and they've done it on purpose.
of the Titanic says it sank because the hole was not
compartmentalized into watertight compartments; thus when one
compartment filled, then the next compartment and the next.
you have national currencies, there usually is some kind of
firewall to some extent, that you're controlling your currency,
but with the euro, when one country is in trouble with the euro,
then that immediately knocks onto the other compartment or other
countries and they start getting effected by it. It's all been
The euro will end and I am not saying it's going to
end tomorrow, but it is in the plan to end. They want to replace
it with electronic currency and in order to replace it they have
to make sure it doesn't work.
When you are trying to change
society in fundamental ways, if society is working and what you
want to change is working, you are going to get big-time
resistance to the change, so you have to make sure it's not
working so you can justify the change. In my opinion, the euro
is being systematically undermined and America is in the final
round, too. It's already unfolding in America.
They are bringing what they did to what we call Third World
countries, developing world countries to Europe and North
America. What I mean by this is that what they did, in theory,
was give independence to the former colonies in places like
They decided they were going to massively hike the
price of oil, which they did after the Arab-Israeli War in the
early 1970s, which was orchestrated by people like
They then went to the other oil countries, covertly, and said,
'We are going to hike the price of oil and we'll give you an
excuse, but you invest those vastly increased revenues in
certain banks in the West,' which the oil countries did.
were the banks that then sent out representatives all over the
third world offering them enormous amounts of money in loans to
develop their country.
Of course, what they did was seek out the
most corrupt leaders and the money went to these leaders and did
not positively affect the people, but they were left with the
debt, which is what we call Third World debt.
Then you have
the IMF and
the World Bank going into those
countries and saying,
'Well, you have to have austerity
programs, health, education, food and all the rest of it for us
to lend you more debt to get you into more financial
catastrophe, i.e., control.'
And so we have this situation where
physical occupation of the former colonies was replaced by
financial occupation, and the wars they sold to these countries
was part of the deal.
'To bail you out of these debts you can
give us your resources. And we're not going to let you forget.
You have to let Western corporations come in, you have to sell
us you state assets for cents on the dollar, our taxation.'
in this way they took over the Third World.
They are doing that in Europe and in North America. It's exactly
the same. They have created a situation where the banks, or
those who control the banking system, crash the banking system,
creating a banking crisis. They then make it a government crisis
by getting the governments, which they also control, to bail out
the banks with copious amounts of borrowed and printed money.
This then goes from a government crisis to a people crisis
because the government says,
'This is what we've done and we
have to cut back.'
We see what's happening in Spain, in Greece,
Now they are doing exactly the same thing to the
West as what they did to the Third World countries before, and
they are taking them over.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was a major insider, Jimmy
Carter's former National Security Advisor, co-founder of
Trilateral Commission with
David Rockefeller - he has written in
books, going back to 1970, that what was coming was a technotronic society.
Instead of elected people running
countries and deciding things, Technocrats would - experts,
bankers and academics.
And now, because of what happened in
Europe (problem-reaction-solution), we now have Technocrats in
charge of the economies in Europe and in Greece. The Technocrat
Prime Minister of Italy has a whole technocrat bunch in his
cabinet now, a man named Mario Monty, who is the European
President of the Trilateral Commission.
We have this guy in
Greece, Lucas Papademos, Prime Minister of Greece, who's a
banker. And Brzezinski predicted all this because he knew it was
So anyone who is doing their homework is seeing this whole
agenda unfold, in the most blatant way, and what they they have
secured for Italy and Greece is what they want for every other
country. There is no democracy.
There are training organizations
- there's one in Britain that operates worldwide called Common
Purpose - that train the bureaucrats, the administrators and the
police administrators and the police hierarchy in leadership and
Talk about preparing for the post-industrial,
post-democratic society because places like Common Purpose are
fronts for the same organizations, the same networks. So they
are preparing people for this because that's what they want.
PEOPLE, WAKE UP! This is much bigger than you think, even for
most of the people who realize that there is something going on.
Daily Bell: Has the Internet made a difference in exposing the
David Icke: Well, this is a paradox, really, because the answer
to that is we would be so far back on the road of human
awareness of this without the Internet. We really would.
the Internet, the control system, is a two-edged sword. It has
extraordinary benefits for them. You can get a profile of
someone very quickly just by following surfing habits, email and
such, which makes it a cinch to keep track of someone so it's
very useful to them. It is also a very good mass-programming
But the drawback for them it that it serves as a vehicle for
information about them they don't want circulating. So what they
are trying to do now is to keep the best, from their point of
view, and they will try as hard as they can to censor the rest.
the Internet now is very much
the genie out of the
There are people out there now that are more computer,
Internet savvy than what the controllers have. So it has been a
tool that has exposed them and they realize that it is happening
more and more.
Daily Bell: David, you are scheduled to speak at Wembley Arena
in October. Are you going to fill the place?
David Icke: Well, we are going to make an attempt at it. I did
it for two reasons.
First of all, my intuition said,
"Go for it!
Go for it!"
That's what has driven me for 22 years so I am going
for it. Intuition has lead me to do a lot of things that my mind
would have questioned,
"What are the consequences for that?"
speak in Britain once every two years and I don't speak in the
same place until I have new things to say.
The interest was such
the last time that we had to do two events, which were both
about two and a half thousand people. We were talking about the
Royal Albert Hall, which holds about 4,000 people, but they
refused to have me.
So we couldn't find a place unless we took a
major leap to Wembley Arena, so I thought, go for it! How many
are there are how many are there.
The major reason that encouraged me to do it was, I wanted to
put on an event that would make a massive statement, that could
not be ignored. There is a big awakening happening, which is
affecting vast numbers of people. So look at what's happening
here at Wembley, and we're not having it anymore.
That's what my
statement at Wembley will say. Of course, there's never been an
event on these subjects any time, anywhere in the world
potentially as big as this one and that makes this enormous
statement. Something's happening here. What it is ain't exactly
clear - but actually, it is becoming clear. Humanity is waking
up and remembering who we are.
The control system cannot survive
an awakened humanity, because their very existence depends on a
sleeping, comatose one.
It's Saturday, October 27, 2012 at Wembley Arena. Don't miss it.
We are not completely organized with travel agents, etc, but
tickets can be bought at this time. We are also a very small
group organizing and we have taken on a considerable financial
risk with this. With venues like this, the venue is paid in
advance. But I feel it's going to be a massive, almost pinnacle
statement that we've reached a new stage here.
Don't forget - when you've got mass numbers of people at Wembley, that makes a
statement with all those people there and what's going on.
won't be ignored.
Daily Bell: Any other books or articles you want to recommend?
David Icke: Just my new book,
Remember Who You Are. I write all
my own books and do all my own research because when you are
connecting dots, it's easier for one mind to be doing that work.
When I write my books, I have to include certain dots; otherwise
you can't see the significance with the new dots.
When I write a
book, I also keep in mind that whomever is reading it knows
nothing about what is going on, in terms of research; maybe they
have not read previous books. I write every book to stand alone
so someone can pick up any book and get the picture. I write so
everyone can understand what I am saying.
If you hit them with too much
intellectual superiority, many people will switch off. To me
that's not communication; that is intellectual arrogance. So I
write books for everybody.
People ask me, how do we make a change through politics? WE
DON'T. Politics change because the people change.
How do we make
a change through this or that? WE DON'T. All change comes
through human perception.
As Einstein said, you cannot solve
problems with the same level of consciousness that created them.
Thus, we have to have a
consciousness shift and then we will
have a world society shift.
One cannot come without the other.
People like Ron Paul and what they are saying in politics is
great. It's so refreshing to hear someone standing up in the
political arena and saying many of the things that he is saying.
But politics is not going to make the change.
People are going
to make the change and what we call politics - and that's going
to have to fundamentally change - will change as a result of
that; it won't be the other way around.
Keep in mind... Poly = many, tics = blood sucking creatures.
Daily Bell: Good one. Thank you for sitting down with us.