Kerry Cassidy: We have gotten the
most incredible response to your interview. I have to say it’s
actually been the most popular of all our interviews...
BD: That’s nice to hear.
KC: ... and I think that there is a reason for that.
BD: Well, thank you.
KC: I think that in many ways you put yourself on the line, and
you actually embody the curiosity that was, like, rampant in all
of us. And you did it at a time when... and in the military, no
less. And you broke rules, and you kind of stuck it out. You’re
just... You’re like...You’re just... I don’t know... a one-man
disclosure project, as far as I’m concerned.
BD: Well, thank you, Kerry. That’s very kind of you to say that.
But let me explain something. I was a “normal human being” for a
big portion of my life. You know, I was a career military,
no-nonsense kind. I wore a crew cut. When I learned what I
learned in 1963, ’64, ’65, it changed my life. It changed my way
of thinking. And I became obsessed with what I had learned. And,
over the years, I’ve learned so much more.
And as I may have mentioned to you earlier, I learned a little
bit; I wanted more. You know, talk about an addiction! When you
start learning some things about a subject that is so
profound... The more I learned, the more I wanted to know, and
the more I wanted to know, the more I learned, and the more I
learned, the more obsessed I became, and...
You talk about losing your paradigm. My old paradigm literally
crumbled around my knees. You know, the world that I thought I
lived in, I learned was not the world that I lived in. And the
reality that I looked around and thought I saw was not the
reality that exists, that much of what we see is an illusion.
It’s a result of our own illusions.
We... we humans sometimes, rather than face reality, we create a
little world of our own. You know, we get up and go to work. We
raise the kids. We buy a house. Buy a car. Take a vacation. Go
on about our lives. Try to save money, put a little in the bank
for the kids’ college. And live a “normal life”.
And then I learned that there’s no such thing as a “normal
life”, that the world that exists is not at all what we think it
is. And the more I learned... As I said, my old paradigm crashed
around my knees, and... [sighs]
I’m sitting here in front of you as a human wreck, you might
say, you know, as to what I used to be. Because I lived in a
world that was kind of cut and dried. Oh, you know, do this, do
that... You pay your bills, you... It’s not that way at all!
KC: Well, let’s cut to the chase here, because you have come
forward. Actually, you contacted us, I’m going to say, and said
you’ve got something new to say. You’ve got something new to
tell the people. And I know you’re going to be speaking at the
Bay Area Conference. And this is amazing.
And let’s find out what is it that’s new. What is it that you’re
willing to...
BD: You want me to divulge to you my great revelations which I’m
planning to speak about at the conference, right?
KC: Absolutely! [Bob laughs] And you know, this video will not
be edited and out there before the conference, so you don’t have
to worry that we’re going to ruin it for the viewers at the
conference.
BD: Well, there are lots of little tidbits that are kind of
interesting to me. I assume, I hope, they’ll be interesting to
the people at San Jose.
It’s been my experience that the people who attend those
conferences are pretty wide open, open-minded. As I jokingly
used to say, when I speak there, it’s like preaching to the
choir, you know. Because they’re a different group of people.
I’ll give you a tiny tidbit which I found interesting. As you
perhaps have understood, I have been a member of what we used to
jokingly call The Old Boys' Network. I’ve been a member of it
for over 40 years. And when we created this group, it was made
up of military types, primarily, all ranks, all services. And we
even had a couple of cosmonauts who were connected with this,
who were providing information.
Well, over the years, the old boys have shared information with
each other, because we’ve had a variety of assignments and jobs
in the military. We had a couple of admirals. We had a general,
and two cosmonauts. We had innumerable colonels and command
sergeant majors and people from all walks, everywhere, who
provided information we used to share with each other.
And some of us have been in very sensitive positions and had
access to very highly classified material. And we’ve been very
open about sharing that with others, which kind of kept us going
for a long, long time.
There aren’t a hell of a lot of us left. The last time I...
Originally, there was roughly about 150 members of this group,
and today there’s probably not more than a dozen left.
We lost a good one. You know, Graham Bethune died here, about a
year ago. And Graham was a retired Navy Commander who was a dear
man who had some very sensitive information he used to share
with us.
But, as I point out, we shared among ourselves. And then a few
of us came out blatantly, purposely, and started sharing what we
had learned with the public. Frankly, I never thought I was
going to to get away with it! I thought that they were going to
stomp on me, and you know, eliminate me, or whatever.
There was even rumors, for God’s sake, that they were going to
call me back to active duty and court martial me! [Kerry laughs]
You know. Well, I’m going to be 80 at my next birthday, so I
don’t think they want to call me back to active duty. You know,
I could have an accident...
But, I think why I am getting away with what I am getting away
with, so to speak - where I am releasing bits and pieces of
this cover-up - is that there’s somebody back there somewhere
who wants me to do what I’m doing. Or I would not have been able
to do this.
But let me give you a tiny tidbit of bits and pieces that come
from The Old Boys’ Network: There is an organization called the
National Reconnaissance Office. You’ve probably heard of them.
KC: Absolutely.
BD: A very super-secret group, a super-secret group among
super-secret groups. God, we’ve got so damn many groups now.
As I used to jokingly say, when poor old Ike left office, he
tried to tell us about the military-industrial complex? Well,
it’s a triad now. It’s not just the military and industry. It’s
the national security agencies as well. So, if he could see it
today, he’d be shocked even more. Of course, I’m sure he’s alive
and well somewhere, probably looking down and chuckling.
But, we are a triad now: The super-secret agencies with the
military and the industries. It’s all like this. [clasps hands
together]
But, anyhow, there are people who I think want this out. We’ve
known for years that among the “in crowd”... whoever the hell
they are, and no one really has ever been able to put our finger
on it. We’ve been able to grab a couple of ’em from the old Magi
Group. The Wise Men, they called themselves... the Magi. You’ve
heard them referred to as the
Majestic Twelve. Well, they are a
lot more than twelve now.
Anyhow, I’m getting away with sharing bits and pieces and
tidbits which intrigue me because I think somebody wants some of
this out.
But the story I was going to share with you is that... In the
National Reconnaissance Office, about, I guess four or five
years now, they had for a number of years a series of satellites
called the Keyhole System. Have you heard of it?
KC: Ah, yes.
BD: Keyhole. It was super-secret and probably the very best
satellite system in the world. Well, they’ve probably made it
even better now. They could supposedly read a postage stamp from
space.
Well, there were some intriguing questions being raised by a
number of people about what was known as the Ararat Anomaly. Are
you familiar with the Ararat Anomaly?
Bill Ryan: Mount Ararat. Noah’s Ark.
KC: OK.
BD: And so, the guys in the NRO took their Keyhole system and
focused on the
Ararat Anomaly, which is, you know, a puzzle.
Well, when the word got out, when the pictures were finally
down-loaded and they computerized and enhanced them and cleaned
them up, and they pushed them on the wall or they broadcast them
on the wall there at NRO, the remarks went something like this
- and these are actual quotes: Jesus Christ, it’s a god-damn
boat! Christ! It’s a big boat!
OK. One would say: Why would something like that be so highly
classified that it is way above top secret? Why would the
discovery of a boat on Mount Ararat be classified so far above,
you know... anything?
Anyhow, the story comes out. The reason they classified it is
because, after they discovered that it is a god-damn boat, a big
god-damn boat, they inserted a team of SEALs on the site. That’s
a term that the military uses to put a bunch of guys on a scene.
KC: Right.
BD: Apparently they dropped them by aircraft. They parachuted
down, a dozen of them or so. They inserted them onto the scene
and these guys spent several days in this god-damn boat. And
then they extracted them by helicopters.
And when they extracted them, the guys brought with them some
“anomalous artifacts” which have never been described or named.
But those anomalous artifacts is what led to this whole thing
being classified not only Top Secret, but the way the hell
above.
And that’s a little bit of information that’s come out via the
network of the Old Boys.
KC: So are you saying this is Noah’s Ark?
BD: No one knows what it is. It was originally the Ararat
Anomaly, but then they discovered that it was a gigantic boat,
apparently, and...
KC: But a boat built by humans?
BD: Well, it appears to be. It’s essentially, from what they
gathered, wood. But, it’s a work of genius, apparently. It was
intricately put together, and it’s really...
KC: And it’s survived all these years.
BD: Well, apparently. The question, how many years? You know...
when was the flood? The last rumor I heard had that it was
12,000 years ago: 10,500 BC.
KC: When are they saying? I mean, I’m sure you have a theory.
BD: Well, the religious implications of it, you see. You know,
every ancient culture on the planet has a similar tradition
about a flood, and I’m sure there were many Noahs, so to speak,
wherever.
But the idea that this particular thing is so theologically
sensitive that some yo-yo back there at NRO decided to classify
it... And then they sent the SEALs in and the SEALs brought back
artifacts. Well, there you are, you see!
What could they have possibly found in this big wreck that is so
sensitive? The question arises. I don’t know the answer to that.
Hopefully, if the Old Boys still stays alive a few years, we
might find out.
I find that interesting and I share it with people because it
gives you an insight into that bunch of nitwits back there that
classify everything! [Kerry laughs]
KC: Bill, go ahead with your question about Mount Ararat. And
then we’re going to move on from there.
BR: I think it was Charles Berlitz who wrote a book which was
called
The Lost Ship of Noah. And he published a bunch of
photographs - these photographs are on the internet - of
something that looks like a ship on Ararat. And there are two
versions of this, from what I’ve heard. One is fairly low down,
and which is an enormous thing that looks like a whole lot of
ship’s timbers.
KC:
And there are persistent reports of another object that’s much
higher up, way above the snow line, quite close to the summit.
And I wonder if you could say which of these, if either, has
been picked up by the Keyhole satellites and analyzed? And when
the SEALs were inserted, did they carbon-date the wood?
BD: Oh, I’m sure they must have. But I haven’t got any
information on that.
My guess is, Bill, that the SEALs were inserted on the one
toward the top, above the snow line. That’s the indication that
I got, that that was the one that... They went in, they landed,
they dropped, they parachuted in and spent a number of days up
there, apparently.
But what they brought back in terms of anomalous artifacts is
the thing that intrigued me. Why would they classify it so far
above Top Secret?
But that bunch of nitwits back there.... And I’ve known some of
them over the years; I’ve worked with some of them. And I think
they are a bunch of damn nitwits! You know, there is no damn
reason why they’ve classified so much.
KC: What year was this when the SEALs were sent in?
BD: About five years ago, from what I can gather.
KC: Really?
BD: Yes.
KC: That’s bizarre.
BD: Well, the Keyhole program was really big in the late ’90s.
Now, I’m sure they’ve got satellite programs that are even
better now. We’ve got civilian programs that are so damn good
that the Department of Defense will often go to the civilian
contractors and buy photographs taken by civilian satellites
that are outstanding.
So it leads you to suspect, maybe, what... how much better could
be some of our DoD satellites.
KC: Right.
BD: You know, they have classified Lake Vostok. They took it
away from JPL who was monitoring it and, you know, with
satellites and all... Are you familiar with
Lake Vostok in
Antarctica?
KC: No.
BD: Oh, God, that’s a sensitive story in itself!
Under the ice in Antarctica there is a fresh-water lake deep,
deep down under the ice, that’s 100 miles long and 50 miles
wide. Fresh water. The temperature in the damn lake is about 65
degrees, which is pleasant swimming, you might say.
But at the end of Lake Vostok is what’s known as a gigantic masscon
- a mass concentration of metal, very similar to the masscons they discovered on the Moon
- a gigantic,
circular-shaped, metallic object deep under the ice at the end
of Lake Vostok.
Highly classified. JPL (Jet
Propulsion Laboratory) had it. The National Security Agency took
it away from JPL. It’s one of the most sensitive things in the
world now, as to what is the anomaly at the end of the lake -
the mass con - the mass concentration that is so easily picked
up by satellite? Another top secret, you know?
KC: Mm hm.
BD: But the common folk, you’re not supposed to know that.
KC: Right.
BD: Why? Well, you can’t handle it, you see. The implications of
it are just too vast.
KC: Well, tell me this: Do the Chinese know it?
BD: Oh, I’m sure they do. As you may know, the Chinese now have
gone into space in a big way. It never gets into the newspaper,
but the last I heard, the Chinese have a satellite orbiting the
Moon, taking lots of pictures.
Well, I’m hoping that the Chinese publish a lot of those
pictures, because our own NASA people took many, many pictures.
The Army took thousands of pictures under the
Clementine
Project. Are you familiar with Clementine?
KC: I’ve heard of it.
BD: It was not a NASA program. It was an Army program,
Department of Defense. They took thousands of pictures. They’ve
only released a dozen or so. They took pictures all around the
Moon, back side, bottom, top, everywhere.
KC: Well, are you in touch with
Richard Hoagland?
BD: I know Richard. He’s a good friend.
KC: OK. So you know some of his recent research.
BD: Ah, well, I read his recent book, which is dynamite.
KC: Uh huh. OK. So, you know about the Secret Space Program.
BD: Oh, yes.
KC: And you know about the von Braun and the Nazis and what’s
been carried over to the U.S. political system.
BD: Oh, yes. It’s bigger than that. It’s much bigger.
KC: OK. But when I raised up Richard Hoagland’s information and
the stuff that he’s been bringing forward about von Braun, the
Nazis, you know,
Paperclip... and you’re saying it’s much beyond
that.
BD: It is.
KC: So where are we going with that?
BD: Our original space program was all a product of the Nazi
party. Without von Braun and his crew and the Paperclip program,
I don’t think we would have gotten to the Moon when we did, or
we certainly wouldn’t have beaten the Russians. Because the
Russians grabbed their crowd... they also went into Germany and
grabbed a bunch of scientists.
And the Russians have a tremendous scientific program of their
own. You know, they didn’t need Nazi scientists. They would have
eventually done it on their own anyhow.
But one of the biggest secrets of all is the
Secret Space
Program, the fact that NASA is... It’s like
Blue Book used to
be. I think it’s a public relations front.
KC: Right. Yes.
BD: Blue Book never handled the real good stuff. And everybody
knew that, except the common folk out there who were diddled
regularly and never told the truth about anything.
But the big secret seems to have been for so long, is: Why are
we keeping classified the enormous facilities on the Moon? And
they’re not ours.
KC: Whose are they?
BD: Well, that’s a good question. I can tell you flatly who they
are.
KC: OK.
BD: Are you familiar with the term
Anunnaki?
KC: Absolutely.
BD: All right. Well, you really have to understand
Zecharia
Sitchin’s work to really grasp where we stand today in
relationship with this group of intelligences. And, I’m not
speaking of one. There are several. The last I heard, there were
four different groups we were relating with. The Anunnaki are
one. And there are others.
KC: OK. I mean, this is very interesting. Can you describe the
Anunnaki that you... First of all, have you had exposure to them
face-to-face?
BD: Me?
KC: Yes.
BD: Yes, I have met some face-to-face. Now, whether they were
the Anunnaki, I don’t know.
KC: OK, well...
BD: The ones I’ve met face-to-face were typically human.
KC: Typically human.
BD: I mean, they put on a suit and tie, a dress, blue jeans,
T-shirt...
KC: OK.
BD: ...walk in our midst, and you would never know.
KC: And they weren’t nine feet tall, or higher?
BD: No. The ones I’ve met and the ones I’ve seen aboard the
ships are not that big at all. They’re just like us.
KC: Uh huh.
BD: So, we’re dealing with four different groups that I’ve
concluded - my own personal view.
KC: OK.
BD: You might talk to Jim Sparks and he might tell you there are
eight, or ten, or a dozen more. I don’t know. I can only tell
you what little bit I’ve learned over the years.
There are four different groups that I’ve encountered, and they
are all humanoid. One group is completely human. And not all of
the Anunnaki are nine feet tall. They were human enough that we
are related to them, and they’re related to us.
And that lovely little story in Chapter Six of Genesis is quite
true. They did, indeed, engineer the genes and chromosomes of an
existing species on this planet... God knows how long ago.
Sitchin says it was 200,000 years.
The information I have learned indicates one of the major
tweakings took place about 60,000 years ago, that Homo sapiens
sapiens were tweaked and genetically manipulated even more. So,
we’re coming along slowly.
KC: OK, so what four races? Let’s name ’em, in your opinion.
BD: Well, there are the humans.
KC: OK.
BD: Some people call them the Nordics. Then you have guys that
are very pale, and very tall, and very broad...
KC: Uh huh.
BD: ... which some people refer to as the
big whites.
KC: OK.
BD: And then you have the little guys.
KC: The Grays? And then the Anunnaki. So those are the four
you’re familiar with.
BD: And not all of
the Grays are an evolved species. Some of
them appear to be... What is the term they used to use? They
were an
artificial life form.
KC: Androids?
BD: Yes, they were humanoid androids, but they were constructed.
They’re laboratory products. And they often wondered why, in
cases of crashes where there were survivors, that some of them
didn’t come back and try to retrieve.
And the story that came out among the military for many years
was that they wrote ’em off! They went back and made more.
Now, there are some people who say, Well, they don’t have a
soul. Well, I’ve run into human beings that I begin to wonder
whether they had a soul. [Kerry laughs]
But...
KC: OK. So...
BD: There are two types of Grays, from what I’ve learned. There
are the little guys who appear to be laboratory products. And
then there are the six-foot Grays whose eyes are more round. And
they’re not really gray. They’re just sort of a chalky,
off-white color.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: And they seem to be an evolved race all of their own. And I
think those are the ones that probably ran into Betty Hill and
Barney at the incident many years ago.
KC: Have you heard about
Dan Burisch talking about the Orions?
They’re sitting in ships, along with the military, actually
watching the planet right now?
BD: I’ve heard bits and pieces of that. I don’t know too much
about Dan’s story. He’s come out with a great many things.
KC: OK. But this is just new information that he has actually
come forward with.
BD: Well...
KC: And they’re watching the planet to see what happens, and
whether or not we have a catastrophe of any kind...
BD: We have got...
KC: ...and whether they might have to step in.
BD: We have photographs, and many of them I’m going to share at
the show. I have slides, and photographs, of gigantic objects.
I’m talking about
humongous objects in space! And many of them
are satellites in their orbit around the planet. Many of them
are in orbit around the Moon, around Mars.
I have a couple of pictures that I’m going to share that I got
from a Soviet cosmonaut on what happened with
the Phobos thing.
The Russians... you know, their famous Phobos rocket system that
they sent up there some years back which got knocked out of
orbit by an “anomalous object” that came up from the surface.
But, it took... It had taken a number of outstanding photographs
before it was damaged and crashed.
KC: OK. What... Well, you called it an “anomalous,” I don’t
know, “object” that came up from the surface. Meaning the
surface of the Moon?
BD: Mars.
KC: Or from the Earth?
BD: Yes.
KC: OK.
BD: No, the Phobos program was sent to Mars because they had
hoped to land a lander on the satellite Phobos.
KC: Right.
BD: There are two circling Mars which are anomalous. Again, that
fantastic word: anomalous. Astronomers consider them anomalous
because, first of all, they’re going in the wrong direction for
a natural satellite, whatever that means.
They’re too small to be natural satellites, and they’re too
close to the surface of Mars to have survived because, if they
were natural, they would long ago have been brought down, sucked
in by gravity, and crashed. The fact that they’re still there
puzzles everybody.
So the Russians said: We’re going to land on Phobos. It’s about
twelve miles in diameter. I think Deimos is only about six or
seven. And they were going to take some pictures on the surface.
Well, you know, apparently the intelligences up there decided,
No, you’re not going to do that, and bumped Phobos - the
satellite that the Soviets sent up - knocked it out of orbit,
and it crashed, apparently.
KC: But they’ve been doing that to the JPL craft going up and
around Mars for years now.
BD: There is an intelligence on Mars that wants to limit our
access to their reality. And they’ve done a damn pretty good job
of it.
KC: Well, our witness,
Henry Deacon... and I don’t know if
you’re familiar with him.
BD: I’m familiar with him. I don’t know him well.
KC: OK. He has said that
the Anunnaki are on Mars... in bases.
BD: They are. I agree with that.
KC: So, are they the ones shooting down those objects? You know,
the various craft from JPL, and so on?
BD: Probably... Look, Zecharia has said... And, I know this old
man; I respect him tremendously. Ah... he says they never left.
They withdrew overtly from their activities on the planet with
us, but their activities have continued covertly both on Earth,
the Moon, and Mars.
And from the knowledge I have and the limited amount of
information I’ve been able to get, the primary focus, the
primary intelligence behind all of this, are
the Anunnaki, the
same group that genetically engineered us so many thousands of
years ago.
KC: OK. But you’ve got Enki and Enlil, right? And these are
warring brothers, and one is working for the positive side of
humanity and the other...
BD: Well, you have this dysfunctional family. They even went to
war with each other, and man was in the middle, as he always has
been. You know, we were a product of their engineering. They
engineered us as a slave species. They engineered us to work for
them.
KC: But aren’t they still at war?
BD: Apparently, there is still... and some of our
remote
viewers... and I know a few of them... I’ve done a little of it
myself, and, believe me, it works. I’ve been accused of being
guilty of front-loading, so to speak, because when I want to
look at something, I know what I want to look at.
The military originally trained their guys to not know what they
were looking for, and then they would down-load, you know,
compare and such.
KC: Right.
BD: But, when I want to look at something, I know exactly what I
want to look at. One of the greatest, of course, is
Ingo Swann.
KC: Oh, absolutely.
BD: Oh, a tremendous guy! What an intellect that guy is!
KC: Oh, incredible. We’re dying to interview him. Do you know
him?
BD: He and I have corresponded. Yes. I wrote a nice article
about him one time years ago, and he wrote me a letter and
thanked me for it and told me he appreciated it a lot.
KC: Lovely. Yes.
BD: But he is a rare man. He’s a rare intellect. Not only is he
probably the best remote viewer we’ve ever had, perhaps, other
than Pat Price, that...
Ingo’s come up with stuff on the Moon
that... You’d have to
read his book.
KC: Actually, I have.
BD: Penetration. It’s dynamite.
KC: And it’s hard to get a hold of, I understand.
BD: Yes. It should be re-issued because it’d sell like hot
cakes.
KC: Absolutely.
BD: I spoke about it on Coast-to-Coast a couple of times with
Art Bell, and apparently it became so damn hot that, you know,
you can’t find a copy... two or three hundred dollars each, if
you can find one.
KC: Yes, well I have... I don’t know if I still have it, but I
had one.
BD: Well, hold onto it. It’s gold.
KC: Uh huh.
BD: But Ingo is gold, himself.
KC: OK. But let’s kind of move back to the question, because I
want to get, sort of, drilled down to this answer. So they’re
still at war?
BD: They still have a difference of opinion about us. Now,
whether Enlil and...
KC: Enki.
BD: Ea... Enki... He goes by two names. Whether they still are
alive or not... With the genetic geniuses that they have been,
that they are, they can genetically manipulate... You know, they
ingeniously genetically manipulated their own chromosomes, DNA,
till they literally have become practically immortal.
Now, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Enki and Enlil may still
be alive. Maybe they’re running around with a cane, like I do,
[Kerry laughs] grunting and groaning. You know, they’ve got the
great-great-grandkids doing the running and... I don’t know
that, and I’m sure that no one else does.
But, apparently the factions are still divided, and the one side
wants to use us as they always did. And the other side wants to
give us the opportunity to be our own species, to chart our own
future, and to call... you know, to determine our own lives. And
there apparently has been this difference of opinion going on.
KC: So, when we get back to the national security state, and the
state of the U.S. right here and now... I mean, you’re an
ex-military. I hardly want to call you “ex” because I think
you’re, in some ways, probably still consulted here and there.
You know, we’re about to go to war with Iran...
BD: No, we’re not.
KC: What’s you’re perspective on this? We’re not?
BD: No, we’re not.
KC: OK.
BD: And that’s my opinion, for whatever it’s worth, you know.
KC: Sure.
BD: I have a half-penny in my pocket... I don’t believe that
we’re going to have a nuclear war because I don’t think the
custodians will allow it. The planet is too valuable. It’s too
rich a reservoir of life. Not only the humans that are here on
this planet, but all the other creatures. This planet is an
absolute cornucopia of beautiful, beautiful forms of life. And,
not only that, but the... What is it? The fauna and the...
what’s the other term?
KC: The flora?
BD: The flora! The flora is infinite, almost. No, the planet’s
too valuable.
KC: OK.
BD: They’ve got a lot invested in planet Earth and they’re not
about to let it go to a nuclear war, because they have the power
to see that it does not happen.
And I want to tell you something else. You’ve heard this old
rumor about the “Prime Directive”?
KC: Mm hm.
BD: Bullshit! It doesn’t exist. [Kerry laughs]
KC: Right. OK.
BD:
They have been interfering here, breaking the so-called
Prime Directive, over centuries, thousands of times. They have
been interfering, according to our historical records, back to
ancient Greece. They probably had a hand in that damn dust-up at
Troy. You know, they took sides. There were even rumors in
Homer’s reports that the gods themselves came down and took
sides and played in the game. To them, it’s a game.
KC: Right. Well, the Bhagavad Gita, if you’re familiar with
it... I mean they go into...
BD: There you are... filled with it. The Vedas are filled with
it, you see.
KC: Absolutely.
BD: Richard Thompson is a genius. He’s written a book about it.
Alien Identities it’s called.
KC: OK. I’ll take a look.
BD: You ought to read it if you get a chance. Richard Thompson
KC: Yes, I’d love to.
BD: He helped...
KC: OK. I’m going to change gears.
BD: He worked with Cremo on the...
KC: Oh, really.
BD: Yes. They jointly wrote that book on
The Hidden History of
the Human Race.
KC: Oh, OK.
BD: Cremo and Thompson wrote that. Well, Richard wrote a book of
his own called Alien Identities and it’s filled with Vedic facts
which you would enjoy.
KC: Yes.
BD: But the history’s pretty clear. They’ve intervened over the
centuries again, and again, and again, wherever it seemed
appropriate to their benefit on their behalf.
KC: OK, but...
BD: They’ve gotten in our wars. They’ve messed around in that
whole mess.
KC: OK, but what about Planet X?
BD: Oh, it’s a reality.
KC: Yes?
BD: Yes.
KC: So what are they going to do about that?
BD: Well, apparently they are concerned about... You know the
story. According to Sitchin and according to
the Sumerians, it’s
a reality. Well, our astronomers apparently have concluded that
it is indeed a reality.
For almost a century, astronomers have been concerned and
interested about what they called an intruder that seems to come
and go from time to time. And, they can measure it by the
perturbations and the effects on other planets.
They’ve known of its existence for a long time, but they’ve
never gone public about it. Well, in the early ’80s, the JPL...
The guys at ...
KC: Jet Propulsion Lab.
BD: Jet Propulsion... We used to call it the Jack
Parsons’
Laboratory, which I think is probably where the original JPL
came from.
KC: Yes.
BD: Because
Jack Parsons established it. Anyhow, they sent out a
couple of Pioneers – satellites - back in ’82, just to try to
determine if there was some truth to it. And the Pioneers
apparently came back with data which said not only Yes, but
Hell, Yes! And the Pioneers concluded... the Pioneer satellite
data concluded.
So, wow! Astronomers were troubled by that. Whew! Could this
thing be real? Well, and what did they do?
They sent out what
they call an infrared astronomical satellite. I think they
called it
IRAS. And this was done in ’83. They sent the IRAS
out, taking infrared pictures all around the ecliptic, above and
below.
And apparently IRAS got two giant, positive responses that yes,
the twelfth planet, the tenth planet, however you want to call
it... yes, it’s real. And that’s when the lid slammed down.
KC: So it’s out there. It’s on its way back in, right?
BD: According to the Sumerians and Sitchin, apparently it is.
And if you are a student of history as I - one of my majors -
its last pass was 1600 BC. The Sumerians, and Sitchin, and all
of those say it has an orbit of 3600 years.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: So, like many of us, you know, I count on my fingers and
toes and figure out... Well, 1600 BC. It has an orbit of 3600
years. Wow! It’s due! Well, apparently, it is. Now.
KC: So why are they keeping this a secret?
BD: Because...
KC: Because you’re an expert on secrets.
BD: Listen [sighs]... Every time Nibiru would make a pass, it
was not always devastating. It would depend on whether the
planet Earth and Nibiru were on the same side of the Sun at the
same time. And if we were on the same side of the Sun at the
same time, all hell would break loose on planet Earth.
Well, apparently the last pass triggered the explosion of Santorini. Thera, the volcano in the Mediterranean, the Aegean
Sea, blew its top, brought to a close the great, great Minoan
civilization, among other things.
It affected Egypt. It’s all in the records, apparently. There
are even historians and theologians who say that Santorini’s
explosion is exactly what you’re reading about when the plagues
and all hit Egypt, and allowed Moses to get the Israelites out.
But if you look at 1600 BC and figure... and that was the
relatively recent past. It’s due now, and apparently the guys in
the astronomical observatories know it. And that, again, is
Above Top Secret.
Let me give you a tiny example: A number of years ago, there
were two brilliant guys working at the Naval Observatory in
Washington. Tom Van Flandern is one, who I hope you’ve
interviewed.
KC: No, but please continue. We’d love to do that.
BD: He’s no longer with the Naval Observatory. The other one was
the Chief Astronomer at the Observatory, a brilliant man by the
name of Robert Harrington.
KC: Right.
BD: And
Harrington gave an interview to Zecharia Sitchin a
number of years ago, I think it was ’91 or so, where he came
right out and said:
Dr. Sitchin, we are interested in this because it ties in
perfectly with the work you’ve done on the Sumerians and the
ancient planet Nibiru. He said: We’ve found it. It’s real. We
have photographs of it. And, he says, from what we can put
together, it’s a rather nice planet.
It’s about two and a half times the size of the Earth.
Apparently it’s heading toward the system, the center of the
system. We’ve concluded about everything about it, except that
we haven’t named it.
And Zecharia spoke up and he said: It’s already been named. He
said: You simply call it
Nibiru, as the Sumerians called it...
The Planet of the Crossing.
KC: Mm hmm
BD: Well, Mrs. Sitchin and I were in agreement. I miss her. She
died about a year ago. She was convinced that Robert Harrington
had died because somebody bumped him off because he had the
courage to come out and give Zecharia this interview.
I don’t know whether you’ve seen it or not. It’s on tape.
KC: No, I haven’t seen it, but
we interviewed Luca Scantamburlo
about this subject and he’s also talked about Robert Harrington.
BD: Yes. Well, Harrington gave the interview to Zecharia, and
it’s on a video called
Are We Alone? And I think you can pick it
up at the conference here next week.
KC: OK.
BD: I have a copy. And I sent a copy to
Neil Freer, who’s a man
you should interview.
KC: OK. Well, we’re in touch with Neil. He’s a very interesting
guy. He’s a brilliant guy.
BD: He’s brilliant. He just recently came out and admitted that
he’s had an intimate inter-relationship with extraterrestrial
intelligence since he was a child.
KC: Well, he’s always talking about the Anunnaki. I do know
this.
BD: Well, he wrote a book called
Breaking the God Spell. And he
has supported Zecharia’s work for years.
BR: I have a question, Bob, if I may, about the provenance of
this information, in the sense that Zecharia Sitchin’s work is
very well documented, and a lot of people watching this video
will be very familiar with his books and with all the
intelligent commentary about that.
Are you saying you have additional information based on your
contacts within the Old Boys Network? Or are you doing a neat
presentation of...?
BD: Many of my conclusions are my own, you know, and they, in
many respects, correlate perfectly with Sitchin’s work which
is... You know, Neil has told me... He says, you know, Zecharia
really should get the Nobel Prize. But I don’t know what they
would grant it to him, in what field. But he’s such an
outstanding scholar in what he’s done and with his...The Earth
Chronicles is what he calls all of his work. I think there are
seven or eight of them now.
BR: I have two questions. One is a minor one to do with
celestial mechanics. And it’s just something that I’ve never
understood. And I’ve heard this from... I’ve heard this question
from many other people, as well... that if Nibiru comes from the
outer reaches of the solar system, it’s going to be an icy rock,
which isn’t going to be the kind of place that any beings could
live on, or would want to live on.
And researcher
Andy Lloyd, who you have probably heard about,
has theorized that what they’re seeing in the photographs that
you refer to as an orange object is actually a Brown Dwarf, with
the possibility of Nibiru being one of its moons, if you like.
And there’s a lot of debate about how to apply what Sitchin
seems to have been saying to the real practicalities of life on
an icy rock out in the orbit of Pluto. And I wondered if you
knew, or had anything to say about that.
BD: No, it’s not an icy rock. And yes, when it makes its long
journey out and back, it gets so far away from the sun that the
sun is probably no more than a little tiny prick of light, a
little tiny pinpoint. And you would think that it would be
naturally icy cold.
No, it ... Apparently the planet, like many planets in the
system here, generates its own heat. It has in its core a
generating heat system very much like our own.
We have a system within the core of this planet that is a...
that has been described as a thermonuclear reaction, very
similar to the sun. Now, most of the life and all of the bounty
and all of the beauty of life on this planet comes from our
going around this beautiful sun.
But I don’t think Nibiru is an icy rock. No. I think, first of
all, that it probably generates enough of its own heat, and I
think they probably did, indeed, create for themselves, with the
advanced technology that they have, a kind of a
Dyson sphere.
Are you familiar with that?
BR: Mm hm.
BD: You know what, the brilliant British astronomer, I think,
Freeman Dyson, said some years ago that an incredibly advanced
technology will have the ability to enclose its planet and
retain not only its heat, but its atmosphere. And I suspect that
the Anunnaki have done that to Nibiru. And they probably did
it... good lord... hundreds or thousands or maybe a million
years ago.
So the planet... I think the color from it, the dull red-golden
color, is a result of that envelope of gold shell that they’ve
created. They’ve created for themselves a Dyson sphere around
their planet. And I suspect that any advanced technology will
ultimately do the same, simply because it makes sense. It’s a
practical thing.
BR: If they had that degree of engineering capability, why
wouldn’t they just live on
Mars instead of hurtling through the
solar system?
BD: Well, they weren’t the original occupants of Mars.
BR: OK.
BD: They used Mars as a way-station, and they’ve reactivated it.
I agree with Zecharia on that, that they’ve reactivated their
way-system, their way-station there. They used to drop off on
Mars on their way here.
So they were never, I don’t think, original inhabitants of Mars.
BR: No. I like what you’re saying.
BD: There are a few remnants of the original inhabitants on
Mars. There is even some indications which I’ve been looking
into, and I’ve gotten some data, that we’re playing host to a
bunch of Martians here on this planet. I’m talking about the
original species.
BR: Do you know anything about the original Martian species? Or,
have you ever...
BD: Other than... The only thing... I’ve talked to a couple of
remote viewers who’ve apparently been able to come face-to-face
with them, so to speak, and they ended up looking a lot like
American Indians.
BR: Mm hm. OK.
BD: And I may have met a Martian [laughing]. I’ve known so many
strange people in my life.
BR: Sure. I mean, I understand this well enough to know not to
laugh at a comment like that. That’s for sure, so...
That, believe it or not, was meant to be a minor question. I
have a more major one, something that I thought you might want
to talk about. Or, maybe I misunderstood you a little earlier
on, I think, in a conversation that Kerry had reported with you.
Some serious researchers, Linda Howe, Jim Marrs, quite a lot of
other people, are really suspecting that there may a hoaxed
alien invasion as a kind of major celestial 911 event in our
skies.
BD: You’re talking about a
false flag kind of situation?
BR: False flag, yes. And,..
BD: If we were to pull that off... If any of our idiot nitwits
back there think that they could pull that off, I think they’d
make absolute damn fools of themselves. Because I don’t believe
it would work. I don’t think you can do that when you’ve got the
real power out there that wouldn’t allow that to happen!
BR: Not so much an “invasion,” but a big display in the sky to
create fear and make you believe... to control... like
Carol
Rosen said that she had always been told by Wernher von Braun
many years ago.
BD: Yes, Wernher shared that, apparently, before he died, that
he... It was one of the programs that the government at the time
was considering. You know, they’ve had these little plots
they’ve been working on all the time. This war, that war, a
stock market crash... this, that, you know... all these little
magician things that, that while I’m showing you this hand, I’m
picking your pocket with this one.
They may have had that in mind at that time, but I don’t think
they’re thinking of it seriously now, because I think that our
so-called
Powers That Be - which is a joke - are in such close
relationship and collusion with the real power [points upward]
that it would never work. They would never allow it.
It’s like they’re [points upward] not going to allow a
thermonuclear war.
BR: Yes.
BD: There’s too much valuable real estate here! Not just this
rich gold mine of human genetics. What a ripe reservoir we are,
of genes and... God! The whole species plus all of the other
fauna and all of the other flora... this is a valuable planet.
And they love it. They own it!
We’ve never owned it. We just live on it. They farm us, so to
speak. God! [sighs] [Kerry laughs]
Charles Forte was right, to some degree. We are property. And
we’re going to remain property until we reach a point where we
can literally stand up and say: All right. We’re going to do
this now ourselves. And prove it to the universe.
We’re dealing with a universe filled with life! And most of it
is so far beyond our own! I used an analogy one time. And I
said: They look upon us like we look upon head-hunters in New
Guinea.
Now, you’ve seen the films, you know, History Channel and all
the rest. They’re naked. They’re running around with these
stupid things on their penises and, you know, bones through
their... whatever. Pathetic, sad, primitive savages. They’re not
to be feared. They’re not to be abused. They’re to be nurtured
and cared for.
Well, the difference between some of them out there [points
upward] and us is the difference between us and these poor guys
in New Guinea and those rain forests out there.
Now, I joked about that, and then I learned later that that
wasn’t really a very accurate comparison. I learned later that I
didn’t even come close to an appropriate comparison! That the
real comparison between many of them [points upward] out there
and us is closer to how we feel about the chimpanzee.
And, Bill, if you allow your mind to take those trips, and I
know you do, there are creatures and life forms out there that
are literally god-like. A lot of the remote viewers who have
encountered them - and I’ve seen a few of them myself - look
upon them as transcendentals.
They manifest as living energy life forms, forms of light.
They’re the same kind that appeared when Jesus was walking
around. Probably the same kind of guys that showed up for
poor... what was it? Joseph Smith. I know the history of
the
Mormon faith. Poor Joe had an event one time happening in his
bedroom where two brilliant, beautiful, tall, glimmering,
glistening beings of pure light appeared in his bedroom. Those
were transcendentals.
Now, the difference between them and us is between us and the
Rhesus monkey. [Bill laughs] So, I think I’m getting close.
Maybe not. But I’m thinking I’m getting close to an analogy that
may be more realistic.
I have nothing but hope because I’m an immortal being. I’m an
infinite life form. If you could see me the way I really am,
Bill, it wouldn’t be in this pathetic body with the ...
BR: It’s only our bodies we’re describing.
BD: Oh, that’s right! You know, this is just the shell. I’ve had
it for 79 years. I’ve used it badly, and I’ve abused it over the
years. [Kerry laughs] And I’m beginning to pay the lessons, the
prices, for that. But if you could see me as I can see you... We
are shimmering beings of light.
BR: Yes.
KC: Absolutely. Well, OK. I have a question for you because he’s
[meaning Zecharia Sitchin] got a book out called
End of Days.
BD: Yes.
KC: And, in that book, he actually talks about Nibiru and the
return. But he doesn’t say that it’s actually going to happen
now.
BD: He says... He thinks it’s about 2060. That was his estimate.
KC: OK. And so, where does this information that you have, and
2012... How do we put this all together? Because I’m going to
say something about what you’re telling us... because it’s clear
that you’re something of an intelligence analyst yourself. You
certainly have an incredible background. You can
cross-correlate, and so on. But you also have some insider
contacts. And you also have contact with Anunnaki, as you’ve
said. All right?
So, where are you getting your information? And are they saying
anything specific about what’s happening in 2012? Because I’m
not so sure about Zecharia’s conclusion.
BD: He said 2060, but apparently it could be before that. The
Department of Defense is quite concerned about it. There are
entire sections of the Defense Department that are working on
that subject, particularly.
The big question is: Are we and it going to be on the same side
of the sun at the same time? And some of our remote viewers have
concluded, yes, it’s going to happen this time; that we and it
will be on the same side of the sun at the same time.
And if the remote viewer... And they’re getting their
information from ETs, and much of my information is from the
same source. And, yes, we’re in for some bad times.
KC: And we’re talking about while we’re still here on the
planet, because I don’t know that we’d be alive during 2060.
BD: Well, I don’t know whether I’ll still be here or not. You
know, I’ll be 80 in March and, you know, I’ve got a ticket out
of here.
KC: Right.
BD: I’ve got it stamped. I’ve got it paid. I’m nine years beyond
my warranty as it is!
KC: [laughing] No, but I think that you’re going to live quite a
while. So, what...
OK. So we’ve got this interesting thing going on and we’re
getting... We have a huge crack-down on anything to do with
Planet X.
BD: Yes.
KC: It’s been made the laughing stock. It’s an amazing thing!
BD: Oh, the ridicule is [shakes head]...
KC: I mean, I think it supersedes even the ET ridicule.
BD: Oh, it does! It does.
KC: I think it’s been so strong. And it actually has come, I
would say, from the Vatican.
BD: Mm hm.
KC: So what are they so afraid of, number one? And, number two,
have you heard the theory that basically what has to happen is,
a protective shield is going to be put around the Earth such
that this time it’s actually not going to have the impact that
it has in the past?
BD: I’ve heard that rumor in passing, and the technology exists
to do that. What I have a suspicion is that much of what will
transpire will be allowed to transpire. The Earth is not going
to be destroyed, and the human race is not going to come to an
end. But it is going to be a difficult period of time when it
begins. And let me tell you, it has already begun.
The reaction from the sun is a clear response to the presence of
this other body. Now, this other body has already been
photographed by telescopes in southern Chili and in New Zealand.
I had asked Marcia to dig into her files. I had an article from
a good friend who publishes a magazine in Rome. Adriano. I don’t
know whether you know about
Adriano Forgione. Brilliant young
man.
KC: Yes.
BD: Anyhow, he has connections with
the Vatican. He has good
friends who are Jesuit priests and astronomers. And the Vatican
is concerned about it. Anyhow, Adriano sent me an article,
including two photographs that have been taken of Nibiru -
already! - taken by, primarily, I think, this observatory in
Chile.
But they’ve taken pictures at an observatory in New Zealand, as
well. So, it’s close enough now that optical telescopes have
pictures of it and they’re studying it carefully to try to
determine... what is it they call it... the celestial mechanics
of how everything moves.
Well, if our remote viewers are correct and the ETs have given
us some run-down on it, it’s going to be a difficult passing.
Because we and it are going to be on the same side of the sun at
the same time. And that means all hell’s going to break loose.
Now, they have the technology. We’re talking about not only
Anunnaki. There are intelligences out there that began a billion
years ago. And they have technology that puts them in a category
of what
Kaku would call a Type III Civilization.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: So, a Type III Civilization has the technology to ameliorate
or mitigate the passing of Nibiru. Now, whether they do that, as
you say, put a protective shield around it...
Nibiru has done that for itself. They have a protective shield
around their planet which is why in the photographs it comes out
as kind of reddish-gold. And apparently that’s why they came
here for the gold in the first place. Because they were losing
their atmosphere and they needed to seed gold particles in their
atmosphere to keep the atmosphere from... You know, they go on a
long trip out there.
KC: OK, but the Anunnaki are here, you’re saying. And yet, the
Anunnaki are supposedly on Nibiru as well. Or, what are you
thinking? Or, what’s your sources telling you about this?
BD: The civilization, the Anunnaki civilization, is on the
planet, but the Anunnaki are on this planet as well, all over
the damn place... under the sea. The facilities that we know
about... inside Mount Hayes in Alaska, inside Mount Perdido in
the Pyrenees. There’s one right in the middle of Australia which
is near... what, Alice Springs. And what’s the facility out
there?
BR: Pine Gap.
BD: Pine Gap! Yes. Thank you, my friend.
Pine Gap.
BR: Are you referring to...
BD: And that happens to be the R&R facility, according to the
remote viewers.
KC: What’s R&R? I’m sorry...
BD: Rest and relaxation. [Kerry laughs] It’s what we used to
call it in the military when we...
KC: The R&R facility for who? What, the Anunnaki?
BD: For the ETs and the Anunnaki. Yes.
KC: Pine Gap.
BD: And they’re dealing with human beings, they need rest and
relaxation! [Kerry laughs] But, anyhow, the rumor is that Pine
Gap is primarily an R&R facility.
KC: Have you been there?
BD: I’ve been to Australia. I haven’t been to Pine Gap, no.
[smiles]
KC: Would you lie to me?
BD: Sometimes, maybe, but not right now, no.
KC: OK.
BD: No, I haven’t been to Pine Gap.
A lot of my work has been a result of analyzing and sifting and
evaluating the work of others. That’s what an intelligence
analyst does, takes data from a variety of sources.
But I have some information that I have been provided from
sources within the U.S. government that tell me that, yes, they
are deeply concerned about it. And, they’re worried sick about
it. And they don’t know what to do about it, because we don’t
have the power to do a damn thing about it!
BR: Is the estimated date, as best you are given time to
understand by your sources, in the next few years, rather than
Sitchin’s estimate of 2060?
BD: Well, let me tell you something about... You talking about
2012?
BR: I’m talking... well, there are some serious Planet X
researchers who say that we’ll see the thing next year, and
things could be starting...
BD: I think you may see it next year, but I don’t think you’re
going to have all hell breaking loose until maybe about 2020.
You’re going to have a build-up of factors. It’s not going to
happen all of a sudden, just like that. [snaps fingers] You’re
not going to go out the front door and all hell’s breaking
loose.
You’re going to see a series of events taking place involving
our geologic structures. You’re going to have increased volcanic
activity. You’re going to have increased sun spot activity.
We’re at a low right now!
KC: Mm hm.
BD: But you are going to see tremendous sun spot activity.
You’re going see tremendous geologic activity. The Ring of Fire
will probably erupt. Now, these are all going to be clues that
all hell is coming, you know.
You’re going to have storms. The cyclones have been getting
worse, and the hurricanes have been getting worse. You’ll begin
having hurricanes showing up in places that they really haven’t
troubled us for a long, long time.
So, you’re going to have a build-up. Not slowly, but a
consistent build-up of geological and weather and sun spot
activities. And you’re probably going... The estimate that I’ve
heard from people who have studied it, is about 2020.
KC: OK, but we have heard that Sitchin, as well-meaning as he
may be, is working for the government. And my understanding
would be, is they don’t want this information out. So they’re
doing everything in their power to make sure that it’s
ridiculed, as we’ve observed.
BD: Kerry, what could the government, or anyone else, tell you?
What could they say to you? Would they tell you that... Grab
your hat, dig a hole, hang on? Would anything they say....
KC: Well, is that what the
underground bases is all about?
BD: Well, I have always had the conviction - and I’ve put this
together over the years - that the so-called elite, the crème
de la crème (they’re self-designated, you know), they have been
preparing for chaos for years!
It initially was initiated by the thermonuclear threat with the
Soviets - underground, you know, fall-out shelters where we
could go. We have our own air-conditioning. We can have our own
food supplies and our own water supplies.
That was a program that began that I worked very closely with
when I was with
FEMA over the years. I’ve been in underground
facilities you wouldn’t believe!
KC: Mm hm.
BD: And there are facilities everywhere that are not known. I
mean, there’s a big facility right under Fort Wachuga here in
Arizona. I mean a massive one! That will never come out. I’m
telling it now, but, you know... There’s a deep, deep, massive
underground facility under Fort Wachuga. They’re all over the
place.
And I went to a Department of Energy school at Camp Mercury in
Nevada. That was the first time I visited
Site 51. I may have
shared that with you.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: Anyhow, I went to school in, oh, ’79, a Department of Energy
school on radioactive emergency disaster response, anyhow.
KC: So, you went into the underground base at 51?
BD: No, I talked to the guys who built some of them. I also took
a bus ride over the pass from Camp Mercury, which is the atomic
test facility there, over the pass. I went into Site 51, Groom
Lake, from the rear. And it was no big thing, just a tremendous
facility there. Most of it was underground. And the hangars...
KC: So. OK. First they reacted to the Soviet threat and all
that, and the nuclear...
BD: It’ll build up slowly, and it’s already subtly begun. And
they don’t want to talk about it. No one wants to share it. I
mean, look, for God’s sake, at the lid they’ve kept on the
reality of ET activity on the Moon and Mars!
KC: Mm hm.
BD: With the ridicule factor, and the lid coming down... I think
Robert Harrington did lose his life because he said too much. He
says: Oh, it seems to be a rather nice planet, and we know about
it, and all we need to do is name it. And, then, bless his
heart... You know, he’d never had a heart problem, but within a
year he was dead with a heart attack.
You know, when Ike met that crowd at Muroc, which is now
Edwards...
KC: Right.
BD: ...in ’54, he met the Anunnaki.
KC: Mm.
BD: Poor Ike, not long after that, had a heart attack. It was
more than he was able to deal with. The shock of that reality
took a toll on him.
KC: Mm.
BD: And that’s one of the reasons why
the Brookings Report
reached the conclusion it did! You can’t tell those poor folks
out there all this. They couldn’t handle it! Well, B.S. They can
handle it! Damn... Human beings can handle anything.
KC: [laughs] I have to agree with you.
BD: I mean, we’ve gone through hell over the centuries.
KC: Absolutely.
BD: We can handle Attila the Hun and Adolf Hitler, we can handle
anything. We’ve been designed to handle anything. We haven’t
been designed to live very long, but then again, there’s another
story there.
KC: Right.
BD: Where did you think that this tremendous outpouring of
knowledge on the double helix, our RNA, our DNA, and all of
that, has been coming forth? Is there some connection with the
fact that maybe we now have a relationship with the guys who
originally designed us in the first place?
KC: Sure.
BD: Of course we have. We’re now in the process of redesigning
and engineering our own DNA. And we’re being told how. We’re
being shown how. And thank God they’re sharing it with us now,
because the first time poor old Adama and Ewa wanted the
knowledge, they threw ’em out of the Garden, as it were, you
know?
And that’s another thing I want to talk about briefly in
passing... is that there’s no such thing as original sin. And
that’s a crock of manure that’s been forced down your throats
for thousands of years. There is no such thing as original sin.
The human race never fell. It was pushed! [Kerry laughs]
And this species that you and I are a part of, this beautiful,
wonderful, hopefully incredible race of humans does have a
future. And it is in the stars. And we are going out there to
reclaim our rightful place, where we should have been in the
first place.
KC: OK. And this gets into the Secret Space Program and terraforming, because there is some terraforming going on,
preparing for what might happen if Nibiru comes through, and if
the Earth is in such a state... We’re talking about terraforming
Mars, maybe beyond. Have you heard things about this?
BD: Yes, terraforming is a fine art. It’s been going on for
millions of years. The Earth itself was terraformed.
KC: Right.
BD: You know, it was prepared. The Garden was prepared for life.
And then life was introduced and has been nurtured since, from
the very beginning. Terraforming is a fine art, and some of
those guys out there who’ve been around a billion years are
pretty good at it!
So, you see, I don’t know whether they’re planning to re-terraform
us after Nibiru passes. Or whether they are going to try to help
alleviate the damage in the meantime? I would suspect the
latter.
Maybe they are planning, through their engineering genius...
and, my god, the fact is... You know, they’ve got artificially
constructed objects in space in the rings of Saturn that are
over 2,000 miles long! Space ships 2,000 miles long! I have
pictures. I’ll share them next week.
KC: OK. What about
John Walson? Are you familiar with his
pictures of the craft around the sun?
BD: I’ve heard of it, but I haven’t seen them.
KC: All right. Just wondering.
BD: We’ve got objects... I have photographs taken by Apollo 13
of alien ships five miles long, and I’m showing those over at
San Jose.
KC: Wonderful.
BD: And those were taken by our own astronauts. Now, you get the
guys on Apollo 13 - and they’re all, from what I understand,
all three still alive - and you won’t get a one of ’em to admit
who snapped the shutter on that camera. But the film is there
and the negative number is there. The roll number is there. And,
there it is - a NASA photograph of a five-mile-long artificial
space ship! Now... And that’s only... That’s small.
KC: Well, let’s talk about the astronauts for a minute,
because... What’s going on with Clark McClelland? And why is he
having such a problem coming forward?
BD: I didn’t know Clark was having a problem.
KC: He has a book that he’s trying to write. He’s penniless.
He’s had a terrible time. They don’t want him to talk.
BD: No. They probably don’t.
KC: OK. And, have you met... You know, have you talked to
the
astronauts? What about Edgar Mitchell? Have you talked to Edgar
Mitchell?
BD: I... I talked, before he died, with Gordon Cooper. I was on
the phone a few times with Cooper. He even sent me an
autographed photograph of himself. I admired him because he was
one of the mavericks that had the courage to come out and say
what he had seen.
I’ve known Ed Mitchell for some years. Every time I get a chance
to see him, I chat with him, and I consider him a delightful
man. He’s very warm and terribly bright.
KC: Are they mind-controlled?
BD: To some degree.
KC: Have their minds been wiped?
BD: Cooper... Cooper never was.
KC: OK.
BD: They never got to Gordon. And I don’t think they got to
Neil
Armstrong either. But, all of the rest of them, to some level,
have been kind of ... what’s the word I’m looking for here?
[sighs] They have been conditioned not to speak. And in some
cases, they may have been hypnotically effected to not remember.
In
Dark Mission, Hoagland says - and the evidence is pretty
clear - that they hypnotically... Debriefed is what they called
it. But, supposedly, they were hypnotized to help them enhance
their memory, to recall. Apparently some of them had been
hypnotically advised not to remember certain things.
As much as I admire Ed Mitchell and respect him - a tremendous,
wonderful guy - he has admitted publicly in front of other
people that his time on the Moon, walking on the Moon, was kind
of vague. He can’t... He can’t recall everything. And, of
course, that’s sad.
I don’t think they ever got to Neil Armstrong because when he
got back he left the program, said: To hell with it, I’m out of
here. He went back to Cincinnati and started teaching math at
the university there. And Armstrong hasn’t said five words
publicly since.
KC: Uh huh.
BD: And then you have the case of Aldrin. Now, Aldrin has had
experiences where he has been with friends and the subject would
come up. And Buzz would start to cry or he would get nauseated.
One time - and Hoagland touches upon this, I think, in Chapter
Ten in the book - where Aldrin was in conversation with a few
people and with his wife, having a few drinks and it was just
relaxed. And somebody asked him a blunt, straight-to-the-point
question, and he had to run out and throw up. He got sick!
Now, this, to me, is the result... and I’ve studied it enough
over the years to know that it sounds to me like hypnotic
suggestion.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: He has been hypnotically conditioned not to remember, or to
not even discuss it. He gets nauseated. And in one instance with
a bunch of friends, old Fly Boy types, he ended up starting to
cry. Now, this breaks my heart because Aldrin is a good man. He
was one of our better men to be selected for that program.
KC: Um hm.
BD: You know... You know the story, and this is common
knowledge. They got back from Apollo 11. They put Aldrin in a
sanitarium for about six weeks. He had... suffering from
alcoholism. Do you believe that? [Kerry laughs]
Do you believe one of our best and bravest, one of the finest in
the Apollo Program suffered from alcoholism? Nonsense!
You know... Apparently, it was the programming, to be
reinforced. Now why would a grown man with his background break
down and cry like a baby or end up getting nauseous and barf on
this subject? That’s hypnotic, post-hypnotic stress.
KC: So what is it on the Moon that is, you know, that is so
important that they want to completely whitewash it out of those
men’s minds?
BD: Oh, my god! The astronomical societies, the professional
astronomers in this country, have been guilty of criminal
activity! You may quote me. They’ve been guilty of criminal
activity for years to not discuss the reality of what they knew
on the Moon.
There are major facilities and major activities going on on the
Moon all the time. Not only that,
the Moon has water. Now,
whether it’s a natural process from the satellite, or whether
it’s water that’s been stored there for use, there are vaporous
signs of a form of an atmosphere in the bottom of some of the
craters.
Now, astronomers have seen these pictures, but that dishonest
bunch of nitwits won’t discuss it. They’re scared because... You
know why? Ninety percent of their income comes from government
grants. And when you’ve got a government grant and that’s your
prime source of income, you’re going to say whatever the
government says you should say. Or don’t say whatever the
government doesn’t want said.
Well, anyhow, there is some atmosphere on the Moon, at least in
the base of several of the larger craters. There is water on the
Moon. But there is major activity going on! I mean, we’re
talking about engineering activity.
There are giant ships that come and go out of the craters. There
are lights all the time. They have noticed bridges appearing and
then disappearing. I mean, they’re active as hell on the Moon!
KC: What about...
BD: But the same activity is going on on Mars! You’ve seen my
photograph, I guess... It’s not only my photograph. But there’s
a city the size of Chicago underground on Mars that’s generating
so much heat it shows up in infrared photographs.
KC: Are you in touch with
John Lear?
BD: I’ve met John. I’ve been at his house a time or two. I’ve
visited him. I have a tremendous respect for him. The reason I
like John is, he’s been nailed, as I have, as a damn fool
maverick, you know?
KC: I mean, this is his pet, you know, project.
BD: The establishment has tried to ridicule John Lear, and you
can’t ridicule John Lear because he’s got sources, similar to
some of my own, that are beyond question. He’s getting people
inside feeding him information almost on a regular basis. [Kerry
laughs] I get mine in bits and pieces when I go to conferences
and when I meet people, you know. But John gets it direct.
KC: OK. I have a question for you about
Arlington Institute and
what’s happening and might be happening in October, because we
have a lot of information coming out about October and about
something that may be planned. I don’t know if you’ve heard some
of this stuff.
We have... Our top secret witnesses are coming out and saying,
you know, that
the economy is being engineered to crash here in
the U.S, that...
BD: Oh, this whole thing has been engineered.
KC: All right.
BD: It’s been diddled. You know, this is a joke. And the poor
guy out there, the poor working man on the street, as it were,
is being screwed royally! But, you know, this whole thing...
Kerry, I would almost come to a point that 90% of what you call
reality - our threats with the Russians, the Georgia invasion,
the stock market collapse - all of this is all engineered.
KC: So tell us about it. So tell us about Georgia because... OK,
to get back to... I know you know the guy who’s head of, or was
head of, the Arlington Institute. They are sending out a
newsletter saying... inviting people to tell them what dreams
and visions they’re having about October, because October has
become such a hot month.
In tracking, there is something called Half Past Human. Have you
heard of them?
BD: In passing.
KC: They’re doing, you know... They do language. They track with
web bots all over the internet, basically tracking where
language is going. They’ve been doing it since ’98 with
computers and so on. And they were able to chart, like before
911, this huge raise in consciousness that some event was
imminent. What they’re getting for October is the same thing,
only something even more long-range in its effect.
BD: Well, I have a tremendous respect for John Peterson. He’s a
brilliant guy.
KC: All right.
BD: I’ve known him for some years.
KC: So, Arlington Institute is suddenly asking for peoples’
dreams and visions about October. Why?
BD: Marcia... Marcia is more in touch with John now than I am.
She’s a computer person, you understand. I won’t touch the damn
thing!
KC: I understand.
BD: Because, as I told you earlier, I enjoy my privacy. And if
you’re on the world wide web, you don’t have any privacy.
KC: OK, I agree with you there, so... OK. But you know him. And
I’m just basically... You’re saying this thing is engineered. So
what happened in Georgia? What do you know about it?
BD: Oh, it was all engineered.
KC: OK, so the Russians, you know, were tipped off.
BD:
The President of Georgia did what he did just to lure the
Russians in.
KC: Right.
BD: And, he went in... The Russians could not have ignored him,
for god’s sake! He invaded one of their little... well...
KC: So, what’s the purpose behind it, though? We know what
happened, but why?
BD: I think... What could the purpose be other than to distract
peoples’ attention from this over here to this over here? While
our economy was falling around your knees, we’re all paying
attention to the Russians invading
poor little Georgia!
Well, the Russians didn’t invade poor little Georgia. They went
out and whacked the President of Georgia’s little pee-pee, as it
were. [slaps his hand together]. Stop that! And they pulled
back, you know.
KC: Right.
BD: You know how a magician works? He gets you in front of, you
know... and he’s doing this with this hand while he’s picking
your pocket with this one.
KC: That’s right.
BD: And that’s what the government is doing. And when I say
government, it’s not the government you think you’ve got. It’s
not the, you know... God, that’s all a façade in itself!
The
government we’ve got is probably being totally run by the
Anunnaki, because there is a power beyond power [points upward]
that’s pulling the strings.
KC: Right.
BD: They call them
the Illuminati, but there are guys above the
Illuminati that are really in power...
KC: OK. But we’re told the Vatican is behind a lot of it, and
that... In other words,
the Vatican is behind what’s going on in
the U.S., that there’s a plan. And you’ve got the Anunnaki. This
is not a positive plan, OK? To take down the U.S.
BD: Well, they think it is.
KC: Do you think it is?
BD: Their ultimate idea is, yes, a positive idea.
KC: OK, what is it?
BD: A
one-world government.
KC: Oh, all right.
BD: Of course that’s what they want.
KC: Right.
BD: And they’re going to have it, eventually.
KC: Absolutely. Now, you can have a positive one-world
government. Right?
BD: But the growing pains... The growing pains that we go
through before we get there... It’s going to be pretty
horrendous. Not only are we going to have to put up with this
crap with Nibiru, which is a real thing...
But this growing process that we’re going through to end up
eventually with a one-world government is going to be painful as
hell! And there’s going to be a lot of blood on the streets
before it’s over with. Sadly enough, that’s, in my opinion, a
fact. And that’s being manipulated [points upward] from a very
high level.
KC: OK, but we have “white hats” in the U.S. government that are
actually trying to prevent this. Are they not?
BD: We have some good men and good women who are well aware of
what’s taking place and what’s transpiring. And they’re trying
to modify, ameliorate... Is that the right word? To make this
growth pain as painless as possible. They’re trying to not have
as much blood as it might take.
Growth from adolescence as a species and as a society is
somewhat like the painful growth of an adolescent kid 13 years
old who’s trying to grow up. Do you remember when you went
through that?
KC: Sure.
BD: It was not fun time.
KC: Absolutely. So... OK, but let’s get down to the nuts and
bolts.
The stock market is crashing. You need to invest in gold
and silver if you want to stay alive.
BD: The stock market was rotten to its core.
KC: Absolutely. But, are you telling people to leave, to go to
South America?
BD: No.
KC: What’s your advice?
BD: I’m telling people that you’re in for some difficult times,
and I say this in my presentations. I jokingly look at them and
say: You are all doomed. There’s not a one of you that’s going
to be around a hundred years from now. You’re doomed! So, the
hell with it. Enjoy the ride! [Kerry laughs]
No, I tell people who are interested in listening to whatever it
is I have to say, that you’re in for some difficult times. It’s
going to happen. There is no way to avoid it. We cannot go on as
we were, because some of our systems were rotten to the core.
And, our banking system, the insurance programs, all of that...
stock market, Wall Street. Those guys were absolutely rotten.
KC: The housing industry?
BD: The housing industry! That was bound to fail! You talk about
a bubble! It was bound to fail. It had to fail. Well, I’m glad
it failed. Hope to hell that they learned something from it.
Now...
KC: OK, but we’re talking... Are we talking about
martial law in
the United States? I mean, what are we talking here?
BD: You’re talking about a time when you may have martial law.
It’s only one step away. You know that the authority has been
given to the president to declare it.
KC: Right.
BD: Congress gave that authority to the president years ago.
I’ve even lost track of how long it’s been. But, anyhow, all the
president has to do, whoever he may be... and that doesn’t
matter much anymore either, because one nitwit is very much like
the other. You have a “national emergency,” and it’s declared.
KC: Right.
BD: Boom. Martial law! You declare a national emergency which
has not been declared yet.
KC: Right.
BD: But we’re right on the edge of it.
KC: Right.
BD: And you’re going to have martial law.
KC: OK, so we don’t have an election. Right?
BD: Well, that’s... You’re thinking about an October surprise?
KC: I have no idea. I’m asking you.
BD: Well, I don’t know about that. I’m not sure it’ll happen in
October. I suspect it may occur within the next year. But I
don’t know...
I haven’t had any dreams. My dreams have been pretty fascinating
recently. But none of them have been terribly troubling. And I
know this is all happening. It’s going to take place. It’s
inevitable. It’s been orchestrated.
The Illuminati do exist. They are in power. They’ve been in
power for years. They’ve been demonstrating that power ever
since 1913 when they created the... What the hell is the banking
system?
KC:
Federal Reserve.
BD: Federal Reserve, yes, which is a private corporation. We
lost most of it in ’47. I don’t know whether you were aware of
that, but that was a big year. National security became
everything. It became a member of the triad.
In ’47 we declared... We made the National Security Agency. We
formed a pact with the Brits, the Australians, the Canadians,
and New Zealand,
the UKUSA Pact, which most people don’t even
know exists. The UKUSA crowd, all of us, Britain, the U.S.,
Canada, New Zealand, Australia, are all like this [clenches
hands together]. Whoever is in the White House and whoever is at
Buckingham Palace... it don’t matter.
KC: All right.
BD: The power behind the scenes has been running this damn thing
since 1947, and Ike saw it. It scared the hell out of him. He
met the Anunnaki. That scared the hell out of him. So they’re
pulling our strings now, like they always have.
KC: OK, so what’s your solution? What would you tell people? I
mean, in facing the future, in trying to reinvent the future.
Certainly Marcia is working with people to... to become
enlightened, to apply...
BD: She’s doing a tremendous amount of work to help people
trans... make this transition. Kerry, we’re not just going
through a transition. We’re going through a transcendent
transformation, literally... a transcendent transformation.
We’re going to come out of this thing, when it’s over with, a
totally different species. We’re not going to be the same people
we were in the past. And that’s good! And it’s going to hurt.
And it’s going to be painful.
And I tell people... and I’ve said this repeatedly: Don’t get
too uptight about it. You’ve been through hell before. You’re
going through a bit of it again. But once it’s over, once you’ve
made that transition, we’re going to have, hopefully, a new
world, a new future, a new beginning.
And I think that’s the end of the Great Year that we’re going
through. We’re going through the end of a 26,000-year cycle.
I tell you, 2012... phhhft, don’t matter! First of all, Christ
was born seven years before. And this is a fact. And if you
don’t believe me, get Sir
Lawrence Gardner, who is probably one
of the best historians we’ve got working today. Lawrence
Gardner’s got the facts. Jesus was born in 7 BC, on the first of
March.
Now, if you want to count from his birth, like we supposedly
have been doing, add seven years to 2008. You end up with 2015.
That’s pretty close to 20...
KC: Oh, so you’re saying we are actually in the year 2015 now.
BD: We’re in the year 2015 right now.
KC: Right. So that means that Nibiru... When you say it’s coming
in 2020, it’s actually due in about five years.
BD: Probably.
KC: So, we’re looking at 2013 by our calendar.
BD: Well, no later than 2017 [smiles]. I’ll throw 2017 out.
KC: OK.
BD: And you can take that to the bank. [laughter] 2017. Now
that...
KC: OK.
BD: That’ll give or take a year or two because the celestial
mechanics... They haven’t really worked it all out yet. We’ve
got computers you wouldn’t believe but they’re still trying to
feed in some of the data.
KC: So, are you... Is one of the
remote viewers you’re in touch
with
Ingo Swann?
BD: I haven’t been in touch with Ingo for some time, but I...
Kerry, I’ve been doing some remote viewing.
KC: Right.
BD: I’ve even had a couple of out-of-body experiences.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: I’ve been doing a lot of meditating. When you go in... When
you step into that world, there is no time, and you can talk to
anybody, everywhere, all at once. Now, that sounds silly to
anyone who doesn’t understand what I’m trying to say.
When you step into that realm of timelessness, and you remote
view, and you step out of your body, and you go into altered
states, and you meditate, you’re in a timeless, infinite reality
that people communicate... You’d be shocked and amazed at the
wealth of information that’s out there just to tap into. The old
ones used to talk about the Akashic Records.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: It’s real. It’s real! And it isn’t just about the past
because, Kerry, there is no past, nor is there a future. There’s
only an eternal Now. And a physicist sitting here in this room
would say, Balderdash! Because they wouldn’t grasp for a minute
what I’m trying to talk about. But old Ingo would.
KC: Yes. Absolutely. Well, I’ve been some of those places
myself, that you’re talking about.
BD: I knew it! You see...
KC: [laughing] And so I have to say you’re absolutely right, and
it’s an incredible pleasure for us to hear this from yourself.
And I... You know, I would like to, at this time, just open the
floor and say is there anything that we haven’t covered here
that you would like to talk about? And, then, of course, we
would also like to invite Bill to ask you some questions.
BD: We’ve danced around on a whole bunch of things for the last
hour. I enjoy it. I enjoy chatting with you two guys. You’re
pleasant people.
As I say, I’m an old codger, and if you plug me in and turn me
loose, there’s no telling where I may end up. I’ve been around
79 years this trip. I’ve made a dozen or two previous trips
which, amazingly, I remember quite a bit about.
When you start going into that timeless realm, you step into
that infinite which we’re all part of, memories of other lives
come flooding into you sometimes. Oh, god! The things I’ve seen,
the things I’ve done, the places I’ve been... this life... are
kind of shocking. The things I’ve done, the places I’ve been,
the lives I’ve lived before are beyond belief.
I... I’m not boasting. This is not a boast. But I’m an old soul.
I’ve been around on this planet a long time. And, I, amazingly,
remember. Some of the memories I would rather not remember
because they’re painful.
Hell! I have memories of
Sumer. I knew the Anunnaki back then,
worked with them. I was one of their products. I know them now.
And I don’t have any fear.
And, in bringing this to a close, I would like to say to whoever
is watching: Get rid of the fear. You have nothing to fear. You
are an immortal, timeless being who has an infinite future in a
glorious universe that’s so filled with beauty and light that we
on this little tiny planet couldn’t begin to grasp. [clenches
fists]
But I say to people, Don’t be afraid, for god’s sake! Gather
around you those you love. Spread that love around and go into
tomorrow with courage because you’ve been through a hell of a
lot worse before.
So, be hopeful. Love one another. And have courage. And that’s
really all I have to say.
KC: Well, thank you, Bob Dean. It’s really an honor and a
pleasure.
BD: Thank you, Kerry Cassidy. I enjoyed every minute of it.
