KERRY CASSIDY (KC): Jordan Maxwell,
I'm very excited to be here with you today. Bill Ryan and I - I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot
- couldn't be more
thrilled to have this honor of interviewing you.
You're one of the preeminent researchers; you've been on the
scene for over 40 years.
I think you're really responsible for
David Icke and
Zecharia Sitchin, and numerous others coming to
the fore, talking about secret societies, the Illuminati, and
really, The Powers That Be behind the scenes.
There's just no doubt that everyone, Hoagland, you name it, even Wilcock
- everyone owes you a great THANK YOU for bringing this
subject-matter to the fore, and for your amazingly diligent
research in this area.
You're an amazing mind. You're really a national treasure, if
you don't mind my saying so, here in America, and I know you've
been noticed overseas in that respect as well. So, what do you
have to say for yourself? Can you give a better introduction
JORDAN MAXWELL (JM): I would say that you are being very
generous and very kind and I appreciate all your words, but I
view myself as just an ordinary person just doing what I love to
do, and that is to look behind the scenes of world events, how
things really work. And I started doing this kind of research
I grew up, and even as a child, spending most of my time in the
library. While all the other kids were out playing, I was
sitting in libraries. So I've always been interested to know
things that other people don't seem to even know exist. I've
always been interested in the secret side of life, all of the
hidden things in the world that most people are not even aware
of. I'm just fascinated with how much there is to know that most
people don't even know exists.
And so I grew up thinking that way, and by the time I was 19
years old, when I ended up in Los Angeles, I decided to dedicate
my whole life to studying what I would call the world of the
occult. The word occult simply means hidden.
So much of real knowledge and wisdom is hidden because the
people who run this planet feel that true knowledge and wisdom
of how the world really works is knowledge that you don't need
to know - all you need to do is just go out and do your job and
have fun and watch your basketball and stay out of the way of
the adults that run the world. I never bought that.
When I was a child, I used to, of course, be happy when my
family would have other families coming over to visit because
they would bring their children and I'd have kids to play with.
But after dinner, the women would always end up in a group and
they're talking women talk, and my dad and his brothers and
whoever else was there, all the men, would go in the front room
and smoke the cigars and have the wine and talk men talk.
And so, my dad and my uncles especially would always say: Well,
you kids go on out and play ball, and I would tell my uncle -
because dad's brothers were wonderful; I loved them all - and so
I would tell my uncles: I don't want to go out and play ball. I
want to hear what you guys are talking about, because I'm
assuming if you want me to go out and play ball that you're
going to be talking about something that you don't want me to
hear. I'm real curious to hear what you want to talk about that
you don't want me to hear about.
KC: And you used to say that to them, I assume.
KC: Yeah. So you were incredibly precocious.
JM: And so then, what they would do is my uncle and my dad would
say: Well, we'll go out and play, too, you know, acting like:
Okay, we don't need to talk about anything.
And of course, all the kids would now want to go out because my
dad and my uncles are going to be playing with us. So we would
all go out to play ball because now the adults were with us. And
of course, about ten minutes into the game, my dad would get
tired because he works all day, so he's tired and that kind of
story. So he comes in, and then my uncles a few minutes later
would come in, but now the kids are all playing ball, so now
I see that today. The President of the United States goes to the
opening ballgame. He throws out the first ball. That's Daddy
throwing out the first ball for all the kids to be there, and
all the kids are watching their silly ballgames. And then of
course they would shoot into the audience of the ballgames and
you see the movie stars and big name politicians there watching
And I'd think: You know, I know what that is. It's just the guys
who are running the planet want all the poor people - all the
kids - to know that we adults who are running the world, we're
human like you; we like to come out to the basketball game and
see the ballgames.
It kind of makes everyone feel kind of happy that our national
leaders and our movie stars are like us - they love the
ballgames, too. I never fell for that. I know what's going on.
These guys couldn't care less, but it's just politics. It's
just, you know, go out and let the people see that you are human
like everyone else. I never bought it.
I wanted to know about what these guys were talking about, two
o'clock in the morning when everyone else is asleep. That's when
these guys talk.
KC: Absolutely. Can you possibly feel comfortable enough to
share what you shared with us last night, about the meeting with
that very special person? The one...
JM: I know what you're saying. I'm just trying to think: Am I
comfortable talking about it?
KC: I understand.
JM: Well, let me go on, first, and lay some more foundation.
KC: All right.
JM: So it didn't take me very long to figure out that so much of
what is going on, humans are not being told. We are not being
told the real truth.
A couple of things in particular I want you to know, and I want
you to remember. Nothing in this world - nothing - works the way
you think it does. There's always more to the story.
You hear about some marriage breaking up and the husband did
this, the wife did that, and it's very obvious what happened.
No, it's not obvious what happened. There's a lot more to the
story you don't know. You don't know her background, her past.
You don't know his past. You don't know what was going on in the
family. You have no idea. So nothing is simple. This is why you
So I found that nothing in this world operates the way you think
it does. Banks do not loan money. Governments are not empowered
to protect you. Police department is not there to serve you.
Institutions of higher learning - colleges and educational
institutes - are not there to educate you.
The entire superstructure of civilization in the Western world
is a combination of brilliantly put-together and well-planned
schemes to direct the minds of the people in such a way as to
serve their masters. And I've known that for a long time.
One of the biggest tools in the hands of the masters who run
this world is Hollywood. Hollywood is an incredible story.
I've said this, and maybe many hearing me now have heard me say
this, but I'll say it again - that the white man's establishment
comes from Europe. And northern, southern... well, all four:
north, east, south and western Europe, even at the time of the
Roman Empire and before, that whole section of Europe that we
call the center for the white man's presence on the Earth was
quite literally ruled over - ancient Europe was ruled over - by
a priesthood called the Druids.
The Druids were the ministers, the priests, the judges, the
lawyers; they were the religious leaders.
So it was priesthood that dominated Europe. It still does.
Europe is still a Druidic country, and America is a Druidic
country. Unless you understand the Druidic system, then you're
never going to figure out what's going on in America and
One of the most important symbols in the Druid system was a
magic wand, like Merlin the Magician with a magic wand? And
also, the orchestra leaders and conductors always have a magic
wand and you had better play to the tune of the master. He
directs you to play and he directs you to stop with the magic
wand, so you're dancing to his music. Okay?
Magic wands were always made out of the wood of a Holly tree.
It's made out of Holly wood. Hollywood is a Druidic
establishment and the symbols, the words, the terms, the
stories, are designed.
Think about it. Think about how Hollywood does what they do. I'm
not saying they're evil, I'm just explaining how Hollywood
You have, first of all, a story, so somebody has to write the
story. All right? So now you've got a story. Now you have to
give it to a screenwriter, who's going to adapt that story into
a screenplay because you can't just tell the story, you have to
design it to be a movie.
Now once you do that, then you're going to have to hire the
actors - very important: actors - because you're going to need
people to act the part. It doesn't mean that they actually have
human feelings. No, no, they're being paid to act like they
care, to act like they love someone. It's an act.
And so you pay actors to act out the part that the screenwriters
have written, and you want to make sure the actors do it just
right, so you have to have a director and he's going to direct
everything you say and do the way he wants it said.
Then you have, of course, the producer and he's also subjected
to the executive producer who's producing the money, and so all
of this is a whole system of putting together a system of a
story that tells you a story. It causes you to think in terms of
what you just saw, so that people go out from the movie and
think in their minds: This is the way you normally would react
to a situation, the way that the guy in the movie did.
And so that's why today in the Western civilization, especially
in the West, our ability to work with each other and live
together as humans is so screwed up, because we‘ve been watching
so much television and so many movies and so much silliness
coming out of Hollywood; so much violence, and sex, and drugs,
and all the rest of it, that people have no idea in the world
how to live anymore. They've lost their humanity.
KC: Okay, so you're saying that in many ways Hollywood movies
and television are actually sort of doing behavior modification
KC: ...to get them to behave in certain ways, to think is
socially acceptable and then people actually go out and they act
the way they're "supposed" to act, rather than the way they
really feel in any human situation.
JM: Exactly. Precisely.
KC: So it cements the social structure.
JM: That's it.
KC: I do understand that. Would you also talk about how movies
are revealing the Illuminati agenda?
JM: Oh God yes! What a story that is! Absolutely. Even more so
than you know, even more so than you suspect.
I have been looking at one subject for, well, since 1967. Let me
preface this: In Glendale, California, in 1967 I was researching
Communism for a lecture I was going to give and I went to a
World Book Encyclopedia and there was the picture of the
national coat of arms of the Soviet Union and the Soviet flag.
That was in '67.
Well, I started speaking to small, little groups in '60, so for
seven years, I'd already been talking to little mom and pop
groups, and little library rooms, and little bookstores, and all
that kind of thing. But it was in '67 that I came across a
symbol which was the national coat of arms of the Soviet Union.
I was familiar by that time with a particular term that the
Communists have used, the Nazis have used, the British have
used, the Americans have used, and so when I saw this symbol and
the explanation for the symbol in the World Book Encyclopedia,
it finally hit me that something is going on, on a massive,
enormous scale around the world.
For the first time I saw it in the Soviet national coat of arms,
because it was using the same words and terms that Hitler had
used, the Nazis had used, that the fascists had used in Italy.
And now as I began to look, the people of India used it; the
governments around the world are using the same symbol, so I
knew that I had stumbled upon something of profound
significance. I didn't know what it was, but I already knew, I
had a gut feeling that something is really big going on, on the
Earth, and the Soviet national coat of arms was what triggered
my catching that.
BILL RYAN (BR): When you talked about the symbols there, that
reminded me how much of your work is about the interpretation of
symbols. Somebody mentioned to me that you were actually the
model for the symbologist that was played by Tom Hanks in the
movie The DaVinci Code. Can you say anything about that? Is it
true that that was based on your work and your personality and
JM: Well, I'm not in a position to say for sure, because I'm not
privy to how they came up with what they did in the movie. All I
will say that is for sure and provable is that in 1991, I think
it was, I did a presentation that was videotaped in the Pasadena
area at a bookstore - and the video is out all over the world.
It's called The Basic Slide Presentation.
In that - that was back in 1991, Pasadena - I was introduced as
an expert on secret societies and occult emblems and symbols of
religion and government.
I walked up onto the stage, and it was a slide presentation that
I was doing, and so I had the slide projector on, and the slide
that was being projected on the screen - I left it on even
before I started just to have a picture for people to see when
they came in - so the slide projector was already on. The
picture that was on the screen was the back of the dollar bill,
the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill. When I walked up
onto the platform, I walked in front of the screen, so now it
was being projected on me.
BR:: That was in the movie.
JM: And then I started pointing to the symbols on the dollar
bill [Kerry laughs] and explaining the emblems or words. That's
exactly the same scene that's in the movie.
BR:: I remember it. It was very dramatic, if you recall.
JM: Yeah. Go back and get my Basic Slide Presentation back in
'91 and it's the same identical thing.
BR:: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
JM: Right, I guess. Of course, I didn't get a check or anything.
[laughs] And then of course in 1992 or '93, something like that,
I did a video called Matrix of Power in which I talked about how
the world is being manipulated behind the scenes by occult or
magical symbols and words that are deceiving civilization,
deceiving people. Then later on a movie comes out called Matrix.
But I've been talking about this, you know, this subject for
many, many years before.
Now, one thing a lot of people do not know is that I was going
around, it can be told now, but I was going around to studios in
the '70s and in the early '80s. Especially in the '70s, I was
going around to all the motion picture studios at nighttime.
Working-class people in the studios would have me come in and do
a presentation - a slide projector, just a little Mickey Mouse
operation, slide projector, throw up a screen, and I would give
lectures on Bible codes, Knights Templars, secret societies, and
those kind of arcane subjects.
Many times I would give lectures like that to just the
working-class people of the studio and then sometimes we would
rent some office within the studio lot where I could go and sit
and talk with a bunch of people who were working at the studio.
I was just having fun talking about things I enjoy. You know,
they would order beer and pizza, we'd sit and talk, and I would
do a two- or three-hour slide presentation on Bible codes,
In '66, late '66 as I said before, I learned about the
Illuminati as such, and so I started giving lectures at the
studios on Illuminati; Masonic Orders, both the British Grand
Lodge and the American Freemasonry; the French and German
Orders, and tying them all into the secret societies that
operate around the globe - and also incorporating in those
lectures, as I said, in the '70s, the subject of Illuminati,
which I had gotten from Anthony Hilder's records that were put
out in 1966.
And so today I see, you know, on television, on History Channel,
and all kinds of movies from Hollywood talking about Illuminati.
BR:: This actually comes from your research. It's percolated
itself down into the popular culture.
JM: Well I mean, if you just keep talking for 48 years,
somebody's going to finally hear you somewhere. [laughs]
KC: Well, it's very possible that they were actually filming and
taping you at the studio.
JM: Well, I know they did. Actually they were doing it, but it
was like individuals would have their cameras and would
videotape and they would audiotape.
KC: But even behind the scenes, there could have been recording
JM: Who knows.
KC: Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of what you talked about has
shown up in plot-lines in screenplays, and then in movies.
JM: Oh yeah. Absolutely.
KC: So maybe we can go back again to where you got involved. You
were talking about the Soviet Crest and maybe we could pick up
JM: Yeah. So this was in '67. 1967 as I said, I'm in Glendale,
California. I was researching the Communist movement, and so I
went to the World Book Encyclopedia and there in the World Book
Encyclopedia was a picture of the national coal of arms of the
Soviet Union and the communist flag.
I already understood the symbols of the communist flag, but my
eye caught that national coat of arms and I saw in that symbol
something I had seen the Nazis use [and] all the great nations
of the world have used. All the Presidents of the United States
in their Inaugural Addresses used the same words and terms. All
the senators and congressmen, when they're running for office,
use that same term, that same symbol.
So I knew I had stumbled upon something of profound
significance. I just didn't know what it meant, but I knew it
was important. This was in '67.
And so, since '67 I have been researching this one term, this
one symbol, and the more I find on it, the more I'm amazed at
how much there is out there on this one secret symbol that
nobody is aware that it's right in front of you. It's one of
those incredibly fantastic stories of something that is so
awesome in scope and it's sitting right in front of you and you
never saw it. That's how clever these guys are.
KC: So what are you talking about? We're going to put it on the
screen. It's two mountains and a rising sun. Is that right?
KC: So what are the words and what does this mean?
JM: But, lookit, just to be able to see it, which you will be
able to put into the video, but just to be able to see it is not
sufficient. You need about 25 or 30 years of research to
understand the significance of what you're seeing and what it
actually means. So you'll be able to show it and it will be
something of interest that people will pick up on, but believe
me, there's a bigger story yet.
So when you're hearing the term Illuminati or the concepts of
secret societies, occult orders and all that kind of thing, it's
actually much bigger than you think. There is something far
bigger going on, on the Earth that most people are not aware of.
KC: Okay. The rising sun. Are we talking about the rising sun?
Are we talking about the rising of the New World Order?
JM: That's right. Exactly.
KC: We're also talking about something else, aren't we?
JM: Yes. That's right. Something very big.
KC: Something more occult even than that.
JM: Something that goes all the way back into B.C., back into
the ancient world. Zecharia Sitchin and I have talked about
this. At one time I was in business with Zecharia Sitchin. I
helped send him to different countries and we were going to do a
television, a 13-week mini-special I was going to do with Zach.
Zecharia Sitchin has been my dear friend, and a brilliant man,
and I was so impressed with him [that] I talked him into signing
a contract with me to do a 13-week mini-series for television.
Unfortunately, the attorneys and the people who were financing
the project for me, at the last minute, after we had already
shot like five different countries and we were almost through,
they pulled the plug on the whole project. So it wasn't Zach's
fault, it wasn't my fault. It was the people financing it, they
But I've had a lot of opportunities to talk to Zecharia about
things that I'm interested in, and I've learned a lot talking to
him in private, which will, unfortunately, have to stay private.
KC: Okay. So you're not able to tell anything about something
that he told you that was actually very significant. JM: No,
it's just that the symbol I'm talking about is on the national
coat of arms of the Soviet Union, so I would say anyone who's
interested in this, look at the symbols on the national coat of
arms and study it. Don't just look at it, but look at all the
implications of it and then follow the others pictures that I
have, that I will give you. Each one's a step closer, and
another step closer to it, and it keeps going. I think there's
about six or seven pictures.
KC: Okay. But it also links up with the Japanese, the use of the
red sun; also the sun that was in Obama's Inauguration in the
DAVID WILCOCK (DW): What about in Pittsburgh? The G-20 summit?
It's like a grid?
JM: I know.
DW: That's the same thing.
KC: But isn't there some occult significance to the Sun itself?
JM: Of course there is.
KC: And are we talking about something to do with the Anunnaki
as well, and their agenda?
JM: Yes, yes, absolutely. That's exactly what it's about. There
is a hidden agenda that's been in operation on this Earth for
thousands of years. And see, I'm at a disadvantage because I'm
trying to explain something to an audience who have not been
where I've been and seen what I have, and so I'm having a
difficulty trying to legitimize what I'm saying if you haven't
seen what I've seen, and so...
KC: Okay. Well, that's part of the purpose of the interview. I
mean, we are Camelot, we have a lot of background information
already on our site, as you know, and so in many ways the people
that are watching this, they'll have been already educated, if
they weren't to begin with, by Camelot, by the other people that
have come before you.
JM: I understand.
KC: But I think it's very significant that we're talking now and
I think that what we've touched on here is like, this is the
beginning of a revealing that most people are not aware of.
KC: And obviously you've got that story. Okay?
JM: I tell you, no matter how well prepared and how well-read
you are, I will guarantee you you've not heard this story.
JM: I have a story no one's heard, and I've been looking at it
for some... since '67, so we're talking about, how many years is
that? '67 to 2007? That's what, 40 years?
KC: Yeah. Absolutely. And when did you actually stumble on the
final... I feel like in a sense you have the full meaning of it
at this stage. I think that perhaps you have that full meaning,
so I'm asking you, in a sense, when did you arrive there? How
many years ago did you actually get to the...
JM: I think probably somewhere in the mid '90s it began to
really dawn on me.
KC: Okay, yeah, and dawn has something to do with it.
JM: That's right.
KC: We're also talking about…
JM: We're talking about an ancient, ancient story that has
KC: The Golden Dawn. We're talking about the Golden Dawn and the
KC: But what...?
JM: Much further back. The Golden Dawn was just one more step in
a continuing flow of a particular idea, and as it moves into the
last days of the world that we're living in, we're now entering
into a new dispensation - I choose that term - dispensation of
time in which this symbol is going to be everywhere.
JM: And [sighs] I would like to be able to give like a
two-and-a-half to three-hour presentation just on this one
A rather successful motion picture producer and I were talking
about doing a movie. After I gave him some of the information,
he called it, Let's call the movie The Symbol, and then we
talked about it and said: Well, maybe The Hidden Symbol. I have
the contract and here's the movie that we want to do and we'll
call it The Symbol or The Hidden Symbol.
That never got done, for all kinds of reasons. But then I see
the new movie coming out with Dan Brown, The Hidden Symbol?
And I'm thinking: These guys who are smart, intelligent and
Hollywood, they are either knowledgeable on this symbol and are
releasing it slowly but surely, OR there's some kind of an
understanding going on that people are starting to look at
symbols more now and beginning to put the pieces together, like
I've been doing for 48 years, and now they are beginning to
perceive what I'm talking about. But they haven't got there yet.
And so it's a form of professional jealousy. I would like to be
the one that presents my work before Warner Brothers gets ahold
of it from somebody else.
KC: Exactly. I mean, here's your opportunity. So anything you
hold back at this point, I mean, really you do so at your own
risk, in a sense.
JM: I understand.
KC: Because this is an opportunity and we are really coming
close to the juncture - I mean 2012 and beyond - where this
agenda is really coming to the fore.
JM: I know and it's just incredible, watching it.
KC: It's amazing that you've been watching this thing with full
awareness as each step, each roll-out...
JM: For 40 years I've been watching it coming.
KC: And so, take us down the path.
JM: All the Presidents of the United States - all of them - have
used the same terms, from George Washington. The terms he used
and the things he said were taken directly from the ancient
prehistoric world of the Anunnaki, the ancient gods, from the
ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Phoenician-Canaanites, ancient
Greece, ancient Rome. They all the used the same word and the
KC: Okay, what is the term? What are the terms?
JM: The term is The Dawn of the New Day. And the concept of The
Dawn of a New Day is the Sun rising between two mountains.
This goes back to the beginning of Christianity in the 4th
century when Constantine codified the religion called
Christianity. Christianity is nothing more than... In my
opinion, Christianity is the most popular rendition of the
ancient cult story, this ancient thing that for thousands of
years has been hidden from people, but the masters of the world,
the kings and rulers, have all understood.
Christianity is telling you the same story, but you don't see
it, so people are fixated on Jesus and on his ministry and never
for a moment suspect that the entire story is the same ancient
story that's been told by so many ancient cultures and is today
part of the New World Order, Illuminati, Masonic Orders around
The entire superstructure of Western civilization has bought
into this most ancient story, never realizing for a moment what
KC: Okay. I have some clues along the lines of this, and I have
to say you're really talking about the rise of the Son of Anu
KC: I don't know if it's Marduk, but it's Orion, the son of
Orion. Can you tell us?
JM: Now you're getting close. That's right.
KC: Okay. This is him coming back, actually, to sit on the
throne and to rule the world.
JM: Mm hm.
KC: And so maybe you can sort of start to paint that picture.
Now, is he coming in a craft?
JM: Well, don't know. Maybe. I would not be a bit surprised if
they're already here, just waiting.
JM: They don't have to come, they're already here. That's what
Steven Spielberg said in his War of the Worlds. They're not
coming; they're already here and they popped up from out under
the street. Symbolically what Hollywood and Steven Spielberg are
saying: They're right under your feet. They're right under the
KC: Well, according to Bob Dean, they're walking the halls of
JM: I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Yeah.
KC: So we certainly have witness testimony in that area.
JM: I'm going to do a presentation on this very soon. I already
have about a 3-hour presentation all ready to go that I want to
KC: Okay, but this ruler coming to kind of take control, is this
a positive thing in your view or a negative thing?
JM: I think negative.
JM: I think very negative, but the whole world is sucking it up.
They love it, never realizing the full implications of what's
It's like some kids going into Hollywood, you know, leaving home
and they're going to Hollywood. They're going to be in the
motion picture capital of the world, never realizing that on the
streets of Hollywood and this city is not some place for an
innocent kid. You're getting yourself involved with something
you have no idea in the world how bad it really is.
I think that so many people have bought into the different
religions orders - Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphia,
Worldwide Church of God [and the] Mormon Church. All of these
are part and parcel of a larger world movement that's been
planned for a long time.
And where the world, especially in the Western world, I'm
talking mostly in the Western world because the Arabic world is
also heavily involved in this, but that's a different subject.
But for the moment, Western Civilization is just going over the
wall with this thing. Everybody has bought into it. You're
seeing it in politics...
KC: Okay. It's in the Japanese flag, so there has to be some
acquiescence there, with China and all. You know.
JM: Oh yeah. Absolutely. They're all using it and they're all
buying into this whole new order of the world, never realizing
what this actually implies.
You know, the very term Novus Ordo Seclorum on the back of the
dollar bill? That comes from the Roman poet, Virgil. In ancient
Rome there was a poet that was appointed by the court of Rome to
write poetry for Caesar, and of course, if you're going to write
poetry for Caesar, you want to write something nice that he will
So Virgil in one of his poems called Aeneid, wrote about the
time when there would come a great world ruler in the seat of
Caesar, but this ruler would be awesome in power, to be far more
than any man could ever be. That time when he would come, the
Sun would rise on the Novus Ordo Seclorum, a New World Order,
and when that one comes, it would be the beginning of a whole
new civilization. The term that Virgil used in Latin was Novus
Ordo Seclorum, a new order of the world.
Now, when you get into the subject, now you have to get to the
Hebrew and Jewish religion, where Judaism comes from, where
Christianity comes from, where Islam actually comes from, and
trace back like Zecharia Sitchin has done for us. And he's not
the only one; there are many who have written on this subject of
the ancient world and the symbols and words and terms and
theology that's come down to us for thousands of years.
There's just so much we could talk about that without pictures,
without the ability to show the audience what I'm talking about,
it's a little difficult. But I'm going to be doing a series on
it. I've already got it pretty well...
KC: Okay. But basically we're talking about the beginning of a
reign with this king, who is a Sun [and/or Son] and he's
basically going to take control of the world.
JM: Right. Of the whole Earth.
KC: Yeah. And...
JM: And the destiny of the human family - period.
KC: Okay. And do you know where that destiny is headed? In other
words, what is unique about this Son [and/or Sun] and his
proclivities, his point of view, where he's coming from that's
different from what we've had before?
JM: I think that the agenda of this one who is to come is to
mutate the human race. I believe that is what is the agenda, is
to mutate the human race - not necessarily evolution, though I
believe that evolution has its place in the world.
I think that there are things which do evolve. And I'm not
talking about man coming from monkeys because, obviously, man
did not come from monkeys - man is evolving into monkeys.
[Kerry laughs] And so, that's the problem. There is a place for
evolution, but that's not what I'm talking about.
This ancient story, coming from the ancient and prehistoric
world, has dominated all the cultures of the world. What that
implies, I believe, is there's going to be some kind of a
mutation of the human race in order to take the human family on
the Earth to a new style of life in the universe.
And so, what will be lost will be your humanity, your ability to
show love and kindness to other people. There will be no room
for that. Emotions - there will be no room for emotions. There
will be no room for the American system of freedom, liberty, and
justice for all. That's gone. That's out. There will be no more
freedom, liberty, and justice for all. No more family love, no
more humanity, man reacting to man. No. All of that's going to
KC: Aren't you also saying, though, that there is a race of
humans being... actually that this isn't going to start in the
future, that it's already started.
JM: Oh yeah. It's already started.
KC: The preparation, the genetic modification of the human,
actually, behind the scenes.
JM: Yes. You know, in the Book of Genesis in the Bible, the Old
Testament in Genesis 18, the 18th chapter - I did a video on
this - it talks about Abraham and Sarah, the prophet Abraham.
It says that three men - in Genesis 18; go back to read it
yourself - it says that three men come walking up into the camp.
Abraham went out and greeted the three men and asked them to
stay for dinner and they said no, they were on their way to
other business and did not have time to stop. It says that
Abraham insisted that they stay at least to have something to
eat and then they could go, and they agreed, so they said: All
right, make it quick, we'll stay for something.
And so the Bible says in Genesis 18 that Sarah, his wife, fixed
dinner for them, they sat under a tree, had dinner with Abraham.
Then it says after dinner, two of the men got up and left to go
on about their business, but the one that stayed was the
Absolute Creator God, the one who had created the human
creature. He sat with Abraham, having dinner under the tree, and
then gave prophecies to Abraham and then got up and left. Now
that's in Genesis 18.
First of all, my question is: Wait a minute. It says there were
three men and the three men come up and had dinner with Abraham.
And then in Genesis 19, the following chapter, it says that
those two men who had gotten up earlier and left were the two
angels that went into Sodom and Gomorrah. It says that when
these two angels or men went into Sodom and Gomorrah, the
homosexuals saw these guys, these two men, and thought that they
were absolutely handsome, beautiful, good-looking men, and they
attracted the homosexuals. Go read it in Genesis 19.
But that tells me, if those were the same two men that were with
Abraham having dinner, the scripture said they were absolutely
handsome, good-looking, handsome men and God the Creator is
still sitting under the tree with Abraham having dinner. And it
says GOD in all capital letters. The Creator of the human race
is there with Abraham.
So I'm just saying that I'm sure that there are spiritual
interpretations of all this, but I think there is a legitimacy
about the story that when we read in Genesis where God walked
with Adam and Eve in the cool of the evening, the word in Hebrew
- God walked with Adam - that Hebrew word means you can hear a
footstep stepping on leaves, you can hear the footsteps.
That's what the Hebrew word means. So we poetically say: Well,
God probably was with Adam and Eve spiritually. No, no. The word
in Hebrew says: God walked with Adam. You can hear his footsteps
on the leaves.
All of this implies in the Old Testament that whoever created us
looked like us and that's why the scriptures says, God says:
Come, let us make man in our image after our likeness. That's in
Genesis One; Genesis One and Two, both.
Many years ago I talked with Rabbi Marvin Antelman. Rabbi Marvin
Antelman from Massachusetts was a dear friend of mine. I think
he's still alive today in the Knesset in Israel. But he and I
used to talk long hours, and I asked him once about that
scripture: Come, let us make man in our image after our
He said both Jews and Christians misunderstand that scripture
because they gloss over it too quickly. Most people think that
when they read that scripture that God is saying: Come, let us
make a creature and we will call him man.
Well, first of all you gotta ask who is God talking to? Himself?
He's saying come let us. Who's us? So he says: Come, let us make
man in our image after our likeness.
He said no, that's not the way to translate it correctly. He's
saying the correct understanding is God is saying to someone:
Come, let us make man in our image, after our likeness - not
make man. No, no. Man's already here. But come, let us re-form,
mutate man. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
And later on in Genesis it says: Man has now becomes as one of
us. Now he looks like us.
So if that is true, then that means today - and I am totally
convinced that this is the case - we have entities here from
somewhere else; angels, gods, whatever you want to call them.
Zecharia Sitchin called them Anunnaki.
But I am totally convinced for my own self that there are alien
life forms here who look like humans and yet they're not fully
And of course in Genesis we're told that there's a world of
difference. We understand in the Book of Genesis there's a world
of difference between an angel and the Sons of God. Sons of God
are not angels and angels are not Sons of God - totally
different concept. Totally different words.
Sons of God are spirit entities or entities from somewhere who
look and have physical bodies and look like humans. They are
called Sons of God, while angels are spirit entities.
So we're told in the Bible, again going back to Genesis, that
the Sons of God were messing around with women and got them
pregnant. Well, I kind of figured that these Sons of God, their
plumbing worked the same way, so therefore, they could get women
pregnant. And I cannot imagine a woman being talked into bed by
some hideous creature from another world, but I can see it if
it's a handsome, good-looking man. Well, that's what the Bible
said, even the homosexuals said they were beautiful, handsome
All of this I'm bringing out as Biblical reference for my
conclusion, that I think Zecharia Sitchin is right. I think
other people who have written about this same subject are right,
that there are in fact entities here - life forms here - that
have come here from somewhere else. Maybe they were the
originals, and they are today, in my humble opinion, the people
who are running this planet. It would not surprise me a bit.
KC: Are these the Nephilim?
JM: I don't know. They could be the Nephilim because not all the
Nephilim died at The Flood. A lot of Christians will tell you
all the Nephilim died in the Flood. No, that's not what the
Bible says. It says that there was one of the Nephilim lived
through The Flood. His name was Og of Bashan. Og of Bashan was
one of the Nephilim and he lived through The Flood and could
reproduce and reproduce more like himself.
We know that there have been skeletons found way down in the
Earth around the world that are far bigger than we humans are
today. Some of them are 16 feet long, some of them 20 feet long,
12 feet long. So I'm sure that there have been extraterrestrial,
for lack of a better term, extraterrestrial life forms who have
come here who we look like them. They don't look like us. They
created us in their image and likeness.
KC: Okay but this new sort of ruler, is the Sun [and/or Son] of
God. Right? He's going to be ruling, in other words, between
these two mountains. Now I'm wondering what the mountains are
JM: Yeah. Very good.
KC: Because the mountains... are we talking about the Soviet
Union and the U.S.? Are those the mountains where the Sun
[and/or Son] is going to rise between those two mountains? Or
are we talking about planets?
JM: I think that we're talking about something deeper, the
implications being that in all of the ancient world there was
always a concept, and theologies of all the ancient cultures of
the world used it, of twin towers, twin things, twin churches,
twin towers. That's why that whole thing about in New York, twin
That is in-your-face if you understand the symbolism of twin
towers in the Roman Empire, and the Grecian empire, in Sumeria,
Babylonia. Especially in Egypt - they always had the two
obelisks. They always had the two towers, always. So there is a
very powerful significance to the concept of twin towers, very
KC: Okay. So we've got twins and we've got basically Gemini, and
how does that work in? Are we talking about, I don't know, when
this so-called god was born? Are we talking about the
constellation when his rule will begin?
JM: I think it will probably be when he comes into power, this
will be his symbol. His symbol will be the sun rising between
the mountains of the East. Zecharia Sitchin talks about that.
Many of the books on the ancient Middle Eastern religions have
pictures of Shamash; the Hebrew god is Shamash, meaning the Sun
rising between the mountains of the East. That goes all the way
back to the cuneiform pictures, the clay pictures from Sumeria
and Babylonia or from Iraq, pictures of the god rising between
two mountains. Again, it's very difficult for me to make this
intelligently understood, because I don't have the pictures, and
it would take me about three hours to lay the foundation for
KC: I understand.
JM: So I'm just giving you some brief glimpses into what I'm
going to be doing soon on this video.
KC: Okay. Is this ruler... are we talking about Marduk? Or is
Marduk already here and this is somebody who's coming after him?
JM: I'm not sure about that.
JM: But again I would say it all boils down to one thing in my
mind - that the human race on the Earth is being prepared,
slowly but surely, in a scientific method being applied to the
human race to mutate the human race, to change us from being
what we are today to a creature that the Gods have in mind,
mutating again. Because if the Bible is correct, if Zecharia
Sitchin's correct and all the other writers on the subject are
BR:: This is a real detective story here. I'm on the edge of my
seat, thinking: Wow, are we talking about the return of the Anunnaki? Is this connected with the Christian myth of a Second
JM: That's right.
KC: This particular video is not really for, you know, people
that are just coming to the subject. This actually is for people
JM: A cursory understanding of all this.
KC: ...a background and do understand and have possibly read
Sitchin's work, for example, and are up to speed with even David
Icke's work and our work.
BR:: And who may have been following you for many years because
in recent interviews, for example, on Coast to Coast for
example, you hinted heavily that there are things which you are
not ready to say yet.
BR:: And a lot of people will be watching this, wondering whether
this is the time and you've chosen to tell all.
JM: Yeah. That's true. Yeah.
KC: What we have established here is that there is a very
predominant symbol and you've talked about how it's permeated
every aspect of life and religion and that people are really not
up to speed on what it really means for the human race.
JM: Absolutely. That's right.
KC: And this is sort of a stunning revelation for many people
that are listening to this. But I would like to say, what we are
seeing right now is a roll-out of an Illuminati agenda that
involves population reduction. What I'm curious is whether or
not you can talk about how this agenda to do with the Son
[and/or Sun] coming to the throne of the world, if indeed this
transpires, the creation of a new race of humans...
KC: ...and how population reduction folds into that.
JM: Well, I think if you're going to have a whole new race of
humans; they are cultured. That's why we refer to different
races of people as "cultures" and a culture is something under a
microscope, you know; it's like a bacteria. And so that's what
we are on the Earth - we are a culture. And somebody has
actually put us here as a culture, and is watching us grow, and
we have become a disease, because we're killing everything in
And so I think that whoever it is that has created us had
created us, I believe, possibly already knew that in the far
future, once this race is finally brought up to speed, and then
we can move it into the next plateau. This is what the Nazis
were talking about. This is what Wernher von Braun was talking
about. The Nazis were big on this subject and using the symbol
and the term that I'm talking about, the symbol between the
mountains of the East.
England - interesting about this, is England has always had a
fixation on Egypt. England's big on Egypt. Go to the British
Museum and all these different museums. The English were always
big on Egypt, but the Germans were not.
The Germans were always big on Iraq. That's what Germany was
interested in - Babylon. And the reason why, I think, is because
the Nazis and the German people in general, or at least the
intelligentsia of the German establishment, realized this story
that I'm trying to explain has to do with Babylon. It has to do
with Iraq. And I believe that may be one of the reasons why the
U.S. is in Iraq today.
JM: It has something to do with some... and I know this is true
because I can prove that the symbols which are being used by the
U.S. government today in Iraq is exactly the same symbols that I
was telling you about that comes from the Anunnaki, from the
Phoenician-Canaanites, the Assyrians, the Phoenicians, ancient
Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Britannia, into America.
The entire superstructure of civilization has been using the
same words and terms and symbols that are today dominating in
Iraq, but most people don't even know. They don't even see it.
KC: I understand.
JM: It's hidden in plain sight.
KC: Okay, but there is a stargate in Iraq that's fairly well
known that Saddam Hussein... apparently they had to get rid of
him because he had found it and was able to control it while he
was in power.
KC: So in essence the U.S. is never... It's been my theory that
the U.S. is never going to leave Iraq because basically they
have to man that stargate. They have to have control of that
stargate, which is where it is said the Anunnaki will return,
through that stargate. Have you heard that theory?
JM: Well yeah, I have. Absolutely. And one of my favorite
speakers on that subject is William Henry. William and I have
been around the world together, went to Egypt together. We
talked a long time about stargates. I understand the story. I
didn't say anything about stargates. That's William Henry's work
that influenced me in that direction. But I am aware that
Hollywood is talking about stargates and making movies about it.
I did a lecture series with Al Bielek and Preston Nichols. I did
two weekend seminars in which the three of us spoke together
back in Philadelphia, and I had some time to sit and talk with
Preston Nichols. Incidentally, I am highly impressed with
JM: You have to be highly impressed with that man when you sit
and talk with him because he is a very, very interesting man.
He's got a lot of very good information on the kind of thing I'm
talking about in private with him and he was enlightening me to
some of the things I'm seeing and saying.
KC: But he's heavily involved in the Montauk story.
KC: And the Philadelphia Experiment being the early precursor of
that, and then also time travel, which is where Montauk was
KC: And then you get into the stargates and so on. And this has
something to do with letting in - I'm theorizing here, so I want
you to help me - but my understanding with the Montauk Project
was that there were some openings made in, not just the
timeline, but also in space, so to speak, where certain races
were able to come in through an open door, basically, that was
created by the Montauk Project.
KC: I'm wondering if that has to do with the genetic engineering
of our planet, such that they were coming in to do a job.
JM: Well, yeah, I think all of that has some validity. I don't
know that much about the stargate itself concept. I understand
it, but I mean, that's not my subject, but it plays into my
subject, it's part of it, and it must be important because
Hollywood's making movies about it all the time. They actually
have television shows - Stargate. So I'm sure there's something
very legitimate about the concept.
All I'm saying is that when I was talking and spent two weekends
with Al Bielek and Preston Nichols and myself, I was very
impressed with both Al Bielek and Preston Nichols because, in my
opinion, sitting with them for hours on end and working with
them over the weekend; both of them are extremely interesting,
provocative people. I was having fun downloading all this stuff
to Preston and he's saying: Yeah, well here's something else you
didn't see. [Kerry laughs] And so, I have the highest regard for
KC: That's wonderful to hear, actually, because I do think there
is great validity there and some very important clues.
JM: I think Preston Nichols is absolutely sensational. I love
everything, I loved... He was such a gracious person, helpful,
kind, courteous, and brilliant to sit and talk with, so I love
KC: I hear you. Now, what about Zecharia Sitchin? When he talks
about the Anunnaki, there was a group of the Anunnaki that went
to Mars, that left this planet. And actually some of which, I
guess, came from wherever the Anunnaki came from, and never
actually made it here. So there's a group that kind of went back
to Mars and then some that came from... according to Sitchin,
So what I'm wondering is, what was going on with Mars? We know
that Hoagland has gone down that road quite a distance, but I
think that you've given him many of the clues and the basis for
There's something to do with... Now, I'm not an expert on this,
but I do understand that the positioning of the Great Pyramid
and the significance with the association with Mars. And then,
of course, we're talking about Babylon, and Babylon and Mars are
symbols for the same thing. Isn't this right? And the Whore of
Babylon, and there's something going on there.
JM: That's right. That's what I'm talking about.
KC: Maybe you could talk about that a little bit, about Mars and
the significance with the Anunnaki and where that might be
JM: And the very word Cairo, as you probably know, Cairo means
JM: Another word for Mars is Cairo.
KC: So what is going on with that?
JM: Yeah. That is a subject which Richard is probably better
suited to talk about than I, because I really haven't looked at
Mars over and above the general kind of stuff he talks about.
But I totally believe for myself that Mars is inhabited, and I
do believe that there are probably humans like us there.
Quite a long time ago I had a long conversation in Mesa,
Arizona, with Virgil Armstrong Postlethwaite. Virgil Armstrong
and I sat in a restaurant in Mesa, Arizona, many years ago and
talked about the people who are on Mars.
Virgil was a guy, from what I gather, was the man who came up
with the idea - he was a military/CIA operative - and he's the
guy that came up with the idea for Green Berets. That was his
idea, Green Beret, and he worked with the CIA. I loved sitting
and talking with Virgil Armstrong. But he brought out in that
conversation how there were many thousands of people, or more,
like us - humans like us - on Mars at that time. And I wouldn't
be a bit surprised.
KC: What year was this that you were talking to him?
JM: This was probably mid '80s.
JM: I would say '85, '86, '87, something like that.
KC: Okay. Well that does dovetail also with our experience with
our witness, Henry Deacon. Arthur Neumann is his real name and
he has come out under that name recently, and said he's been to
Mars. So I'm wondering if you have any information that's come
to you about jumpgates, about going between planets.
JM: Well, yes and no. The only thing I have of any value is
someone else's work. I sat and talked with him and he is a very,
very knowledgeable, very legitimately... he worked for the
United States Naval Observatory. He was in charge of the Naval
Observatory, and he just passed away just recently. But his
website is so extraordinary, the stuff he has on that website,
pictures of strange things found on Mars - and they're not
nebulous things; they're in your face. I mean, those tubes,
KC: Yes. Amazing.
JM: And lights in those tubes. There's just an enormous amount
of stuff he has on his website.
KC: Well, our attention was drawn to that by Henry Deacon as
well, to those tubes, which is fascinating.
JM: Yeah. Right. You know, I always say I'm not the world's
foremost authority on anything. If there's any value in my
person and my work, I would say this, that I have been
privileged to be in the company of extraordinary people doing
extraordinary work. I have been privileged to sit in their
company and be accepted by them and be able to learn things
behind the scenes that other people will never be privy to hear.
KC: Isn't it true, though, that you were told that you have a
mission that is going to come to the fore late in life?
KC: And that you might actually be there now? Do you want to
tell that story at all?
JM: Yeah, I suppose so. I mentioned this, I think, on Coast to
Coast once, but it was very quick because George wants to hear
all the stories as long as it's within a minute and a half.
KC: [laughs] We have longer than that.
JM: Yeah. [laughs] But when I was 19, I ended up in Los Angeles
- at 19 years old with seven bucks in my pocket, incidentally. I
had no idea where I was going, where I was. I ended up in Los
Angeles on a Friday night with seven dollars in my pocket. You
know, I was a stupid kid, but I lived through it.
Later on, a couple months later, after I got a job and things
were working out for me, I was in North Hollywood one morning,
on a weekend morning, and I went into a restaurant. The place
was crowded and there was only one seat available and that was
at the counter, so I sat at the counter. There was a young girl
sitting next to me, so we started talking.
Come to find out she only lived about two blocks from me and I
only lived about two blocks from town, so she had walked
downtown and I had also. So we started hanging out together. I'd
meet her downtown; we'd hang out together. This was back in '59
and I was 19 years old.
When we would walk home, I lived two blocks closer, so she had
two blocks farther to go, so I never knew exactly where she
lived, but she knew where I lived. One night she came over to my
place and said: My dad wants to see you. He wants to talk to
And of course that put me on alert. I SAID: I don't want to talk
to your dad.
SHE SAID: No, my father is a very important and interesting man.
He wants to talk to you. He's got something to tell you.
That sounded interesting, so I went with her, and when we walked
up to the house which was only a couple of blocks away, we
walked up to the house, just by chance, he happened to be coming
out of the house.
The moment I saw him, an incredible feeling came over me of some
kind of a euphoric, strange [and] wonderful feeling that I got,
being in his presence. It was as if I were in the presence of a
great prophet or some spiritual man. I felt it, and I loved the
feeling. I mean, I can't describe it, but I loved the feeling.
It was an other-world feeling. I noticed that he was very much
in control of himself; he knew exactly what he was doing.
He motioned for us to come in. We went in and the girls sat on
the floor by the fireplace. They sat on the floor. He sat on one
end of the sofa, I sat on the other end of the sofa. The wife
was in the kitchen. I never did see her that whole night.
So we were talking and he was, you know, he was asking me how I
liked living in California, and do you have a job and how do you
like your job, and just small talk. And I was beginning to feel
a little of the apprehension was going away. I was beginning to
feel a little bit better being in his company, but I knew there
was something about this guy that wasn't right, but I loved the
I'm 19 years old, so I'm not sure what I'm doing, but I'm just
talking to this guy who's dazzling me with his presence of mind
and the presence he presented.
And so we're talking about all kinds of things and then, when he
felt that I was sufficiently at ease, he said to me very
nonchalantly, he said: Remember when you were eight years old
back in Florida and your father built the new back porch and
your uncle helped him? And remember, your dad used green lumber
that smelled funny? And he built the new back porch? You
Tears started to come to my eyes, and I didn't want to show
tears in front of my girlfriend, but he was scaring me because
he was right and he knew it.
AND HE SAID TO ME: Well, did that happen or didn't it?
I SAID: Yes, that happened.
AND HE SAID: Also, one night when you were in bed, you got out
of bed and you went out on the back porch and you were looking
at the Moon and the Moon was full. Do you remember that?
AND I SAID: Yes, I remember that.
AND HE SAID: And you were picking the wood because it smelled
funny. It was green lumber; it smelled funny, and you were
picking it with your finger. Remember how you picked a piece of
it, and you were smelling it and tasting it? AND HE SAID:
Remember doing that?
AND NOW I'M REALLY SCARED BECAUSE IT'S FRIGHTENING TO ME AND I
HE SAID: Well, did you do that, or didn't you?
I SAID: Yes, I did.
AND HE SAID: Well, how would I know that? How would I know what
AND I SAID: I don't know how you'd know.
HE SAID: I know because we were there. You just didn't see us,
but we were there watching you.
AND I THOUGHT: Well... [laughs]
AND HE SAID, BECAUSE HE COULD TELL I WAS NOT BUYING IT: Was I
correct in what I said?
HE SAID: Well, how would I know if I wasn't there? We were
I SAID: Who was we?
HE SAID: That's not important right now. What's important for
you to know is that you're in California, because we brought you
here. We brought you here to Los Angeles.
I SAID: You brought me here?
HE SAID: Yeah. Why are you here?
I SAID: I don't know why I'm here. I just had to come to Los
HE SAID: That's right. We brought you here, he said, because
what did you say to God? You talked to God that night. The night
you sat on the porch, you said something to God. What did you
I just sat looking at him.
HE SAID: I'll tell you what you said. You asked God to let you
do something important with your life. You wanted to do
something of value and importance with your life.
And I was about eight or nine years old, right?
I SAID: Yes, that's what I said.
HE SAID: Well, then we're going to give you an opportunity to do
something with your life now because you did ask.
I'm still amazed, listening to him.
AND HE SAID: What we have for you to do will not happen until
the later part of your life, and I'm not going to go into it
HE SAID: I'm not going to go into explaining it to you now;
however, when the time comes for you to do what we have brought
you here to do - you will know what you have to do. By that
time, you will be sufficiently knowledgeable on who you are and
what you're doing and where you're going.
AND HE SAID: All you need to know now is that we brought you
here and that we will protect you wherever it is that we put
AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID: I still don't understand what you're
HE SAID: You don't need to, but one day, you will understand.
AND HE SAID: So I'm here to start you on your journey.
HE SAID: I have a book I'm going to give you and I want you to
read the book and that will begin your journey.
And he pulls it off the shelf and gives it to me, and today you
can still get that book in bookstores anywhere. It's called The
Complete Works of Charles Fort. [spells name].
Even in England there's a Fortean Society dedicated to the work
of Charles Fort. A fascinating book. It's a monumental work,
very thick book: The Complete Works of Charles Fort.
And he opened the book indiscriminately, just put his hand on
the pages, because it's a very thick book, and he opens a page
and he reads a paragraph. He just opened the page and reads a
paragraph - he knew exactly what he was doing, precisely what he
was doing. I didn't know because it looked like he just
indiscriminately opened it, and he read a paragraph that just
blew me away. I was knocked out by what he'd just read. AND I
THOUGHT: Wow! That's interesting.
AND HE SAID: Oh yeah, the book is filled with that kind of
thing. Let me read you another one.
He opened it up again and just indiscriminately read something.
Not indiscriminately! He knew what he was doing. I'm sure that
he knew how to get your particular attention. What would be very
interesting to you, I may not even see. But he knew how to play
on my emotions, and he read about three little paragraphs, one
after the other, and each one - to me - was absolutely
I was fascinated with him, with my new girlfriend, [laughs] and
with this book. AND THEN HE SAID TO ME: You've always been
interested in UFOs and other-worldly things, right?
AND I SAID: Yes, I have.
HE SAID: Would you like to see some UFOs up close tonight?
AND I SAID: I'd love to.
HE SAID: Well come on. I can do that for you.
So I got up with him, and the two girls - my girlfriend and her
sister - the four of us came out in the yard. It was about maybe
midnight in North Hollywood, 1959, and he looks up into the sky
and starts inaudibly talking. His mouth is moving as if he's
talking to somebody, but you can't hear him.
And as I'm watching him standing there talking to the stars, I
look over at my girlfriend and she's looking at me. AND THE LOOK
ON HER FACE WAS LIKE: Yeah, this is my father, that's him. Told
you he was strange, didn't I? [laughs] And that kind of thing.
And her sister was looking at me, and I could tell what she was
doing. SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT: How is he taking this? You
know, what's going on in my mind? [was] what the little one was
thinking, because she's seen this before. She wants to see how
I'm going to react to this.
AND SO TEN HE LOOKS AT ME AND HE SAID: They said that they will
be coming from Griffith Park in just a minute. There'll be three
of them and they'll be coming from the Griffith Park area.
They're going north and they said that they'll be here in a
minute for you.
AND I SAID: Who's they?
HE SAID: You'll see.
Within a couple of minutes, three beautiful disk-shaped things,
glowing, very faintly glowing, came over with no sound
whatsoever, in a triangle formation, came over and stopped right
above our heads and stopped.
And when they did, you could see they were disk-shaped and it
looked and appeared like it was a pie cut in six or eight
slices, and each slice was a different color. What I remember
distinctly is each color was like a laser color: vibrant orange,
vibrant pink, very vibrant colors, six or eight colors on each
one - and they were circulating, not so fast as to blend the
color, but circulating. They were beautiful. They were about the
size that the full Moon appears, so they're not little lights.
Full-Moon size. Three.
And I'm standing there looking at these gorgeous, beautiful,
vibrant-color things spinning, and colors, and no sound, and I
was absolutely mesmerized. I was just... I was enthralled by
seeing this gorgeous, beautiful display.
AND I LOOKED AT HIM AND HE'S LOOKING AT ME AND HE SAYS: They're
pretty, aren't they?
AND I SAID: Yes. They're beautiful.
AND THEN HE LOOKS UP AND TALKS TO THEM. HE SAID: They've told me
to tell you that they're going now but they'll see you later.
And they did. They started moving and they went out north.
AFTERWARDS, WE WENT BACK IN AND I SAID: What did I just see
HE SAID: That was us. We've been here for a long time, you just
didn't know it. HE SAID: We picked you a long time ago when you
were a small child. We have something for you to do.
AND I SAID: I'm not understanding exactly.
HE SAID: You don't have to. We will let you know what it is
you're supposed to do later on in life, but just go on with your
life, don't worry about it. Whatever you're supposed to learn,
we'll see to it that you learn, and when it is time for you do
what we have for you to do, you'll know. We'll let you know.
After that, I would go over there on the weekends to visit him
and the mother and the two girls, and we would go out to the
desert sometimes, go way out in the desert. The girls, with
their mother, would go for a walk, and he and I would walk in
the desert, and he would tell me about all the different alien
lifeforms that are out there, where they have come from, the
ones that are here.
AND HE TOLD ME: You have enemies here. You have some very
powerful enemies here from other places that have come, and they
know who you are, and they know what you're going to do. So just
be careful in your life, but we'll protect you.
I didn't know what he was talking about.
And then one day I went over to the house one morning, and the
house was totally open, and they're gone. Everything was packed
and gone and the girl never told me she was leaving. They'd
never come to tell me anything. They were just gone.
Now that I look back on that experience, I feel very secure in
saying that he knew what he was doing. HE SAID: I'm starting you
on your journey, and he did. But after that was done, then he
KC: Do you believe that you're at that place, that juncture
where he was talking about: You're going to know...? Has another
message come recently, or do you feel that you're right on the
cusp of something?
JM: I feel along the beginning of something and I'm still not
sure what all of this means. I'm not sure what it means. All I
know is that I have some valuable stuff that's going to really
knock people out when they see it, but I don't understand it
fully yet. I've talked with Zecharia about it. I've talked with
many other speakers and people that are in the speaking circuit
that are knowledgeable on the subject.
But my gut feeling... and incidentally, gut, G-U-T, is simply
God in Scandinavian. GOD is English, dog spelled backwards. But
God in, I think it's Sweden and Scandinavian countries, is
spelled G-U-T. So when you say you've got a gut feeling, that's
God in Scandinavian.
But my gut feeling is that I don't know the full picture yet,
but I'm getting there now. After 48 years, I now know that my 48
years of study, day in and day out, researching, reading,
studying in libraries, was for a reason, so that when the time
would come, I would at least be sufficiently educated in this
dark subject which I'm talking about. At least I've got some
background in it now, to be able to understand the significance
And I think it's really frightening to me. It actually is still
rather frightening because, being human, and watching the world,
where it's going... and I already know the symbols, the words
[and] the terms. I already know the history of the secret
societies and the movements of the bankers.
I‘ve sat and talked with all kinds of people around the world;
with Hakim, my dear friend Hakim, the Hammite priest in Egypt - we've sat out by the Pyramids at night and talked about the
ancient Hammite priesthood, and I was blessed in the Pyramid.
Hakim blessed me in the King's Chamber; I laid in the
sarcophagus and he did a whole prayer ritual over me. I've sat,
like I said, for hours and talked with him in private about
things that have happened to me.
So I am totally convinced that there's nothing special about me,
but I have been given the opportunity to be in the company of
fascinating people, to learn monstrously fascinating things, and
ultimately, I think that there is something for me to do. I'm
just not sure yet what it is.
KC: Do you happen to have an idea what race this man was from?
Do you have a planet? Do you have any idea? In other words, do
you think he was Anunnaki, do you think he was Nordic, do you
think he was Pleiadian? Do you have any idea?
JM: No, not really, because he appeared to be an extraordinarily
ordinary-looking guy, just an ordinary guy you would meet. But
when I was in his presence, it was monstrous - the feeling. I
knew: This is not a normal man.
KC: Did his children have a different aura or a different
feeling about them?
JM: No. No. They seemed to be very ordinary, and the mother.
KC: But didn't you tell me just recently, and correct me
if I'm wrong, but I think you were out in the desert and you had
something happen out there.
JM: Oh! Yeah!
KC: Very recently.
JM: Oh yeah. No no, that's a different story.
KC: Well, is it completely different? Is it possible that there
was some kind of...?
JM: Well... No, you're right. You're right. There could very
well be some kind of a connection with what happened to me just
a few years ago and that original incident back in 1959. Yes,
That was another extraordinary experience. I've had 36, what I
call peak experiences. I mean monstrous experiences. That was
merely one. But yes, I've had some very interesting and
emotionally-drenching experiences out on the deserts of Nevada.
One thing I will tell you, which is just my opinion: I am
totally convinced for myself that at Area 51, that base we call
Area 51, there is no doubt in my mind that there are
extraterrestrial life forms there. No doubt in my mind about it
at all, because of what I've personally seen and experienced
when I was at Rachel's. I've had too many strange things happen
to me that were other-worldly, in-your-face, like one-on-one.
And so there's no doubt in my mind that what I experienced out
there... We had an alien come in the mobile home. My friend,
Paul Tice, and my lady friend from Hawaii, Ivy - all three of
us, an alien came in the bedroom. So there's no doubt in my mind
there's something really off the wall going on out there at Area
51 that we are not aware of. But I've had many otherworld
experiences out there, not just...
You know, I can't stand it when people say that this is all high
technology of our government. No. I don't buy that for a minute.
What I've seen with my own eyes, I don't buy it for a minute. If
it has anything to do with our government, then what I have
actually witnessed with my own eyes, if it has to do with the
U.S. government, then it means that the U.S. government is in
league with extraterrestrials, because what I saw is
extraterrestrial in origin. And what I've experienced... KC:
Thank you for that. That's very, very valuable to hear you say
Can you talk about the possibility of what these humans that are
being created, what their destiny might be? In other words, you
say they might not have feelings, etcetera, etcetera. And do you
feel that perhaps this is working in with your, sort of, destiny
that they were talking about?
Because these subjects we're talking about right here and now...
I actually went to Egypt with you and William Henry and that
group. I did have a short interview with you at that time. You
weren't willing to talk about that then. I think that now you're
much more willing. This message that you have seems to be
culminating in what you're saying, in this symbol that we talked
about in the beginning of this interview. Is it possible that
this is going to be the message: the unfolding of what you know?
JM: My feeling is that the reason why I'm here doing what I'm
doing is because of this mutation which is being foisted on the
human race, it's being forced on the human race. This change
that the Masters of the Universe, so to speak, have in mind for
the human race is being foisted on us.
And I believe - again, just my opinion - that that's my part in
this cosmic scheme or this cosmic play, is to call people back
to their humanity and let them know: You're being led down the
garden path into something you don't know what's coming. You had
better get back to your roots of being human and start
reestablishing your humanity - because the human race is losing
The way we were designed by the original creators was a
beautiful thing. I mean, when you look at children and little
animals, you have to know that whoever designed us designed
humans and lifeforms to be beautiful, to be charming, to be a
beautiful thing, to live in a beautiful world with children and
gorgeous and beautiful things which uplift the spirit.
But I am totally convinced that there is now on the Earth, again
for lack of a better term, alien presence which are the enemies
of the human race, and they are obviously enemies of whoever the
original creators of us, because of the things I've been told -
that the people or the entities who created us, the gods who
created us, have enemies out there in the universe.
They have come here to see what these gods are doing, what these
aliens are doing. And they're coming here saying: Mm. I see what
they're doing. They're creating these creatures. Why don't we
move in? - like a gang. Why don't we move in and take over and
take this beautiful creation that these gods have created and
mutate it into what we want? And so, to mutate the whole human
race away from their natural evolution of society and humanity
into a whole new kind of civilization.
I think that that's probably what I'm here to do, is to call
attention to the world that you're being misled by some
extraordinarily powerful, occult, mystical, other-world
technology that is changing the evolution of the human race from
what it was supposed to be in its creation, as opposed to where
the dark powers of the world are now leading the human race into
a different world. And what they have in mind for us, you don't
want to know.
JM: The people who are in power today in this country and around
the world have something in mind that you have no idea in the
world how bad it's really going to be, because there will be no
longer any place for freedom, intellectual freedom, spiritual
freedom, liberty, justice - none of that. It's gone.
KC: Okay. But you are protected and you've been told this over
and over again, and this person that you met way back who sort
of started you on your journey was also part of a race that has
been visiting here and is looking out for you, in essence.
You've told at least me some personal stories in which you were
protected - there was reasons you were told to leave a room at a
certain opportune moment, and so on and so forth.
JM: That's right. And I have had that happen to me over and over
and over again.
KC: Right. So that means there's a force for good...
JM: Profoundly dangerous things happening and at the moment I
just did not know, walked out and some terrible, dangerous thing
happened, and I never even heard about it.
KC: So there seems to be a force for good, some "White Hats"
behind the scenes...
KC: ...some of whom have actually talked to you face to face,
protected you. One that passed on recently comes to mind.
KC: These people who might have been working behind the scenes,
even in places that, you know, made them appear to be working
for the dark side, if you will.
JM: Yeah, the establishment. But in point of fact, they were
extremely powerful people and very high placed.
KC: Working for the light.
JM: Working for the light. AND THEY TOLD ME: We know what you're
doing. ONE OF THEM TOLD ME: You have some very powerful friends
that you don't even know exist, and they're protecting you.
I know. I have had the... I'm not going to get into the details,
but I have actually witnessed protection from the highest
sources in this country step into something that was very, very
serious happening in relation to me, and I was really
frightened, because I knew the implications of what's happening
and they could be very serious for me. I "may not be around much
longer," I've heard from the top.
And then all of a sudden I get a communication from Washington,
D.C., from the highest office there, saying: Don't worry about
it, we took care of it. Just go on and don't worry about it. And
I was amazed - from Washington, D.C.! Somebody that high up
calls me and says: Don't worry about it. Just go on about your
life. No one's going to bother you. And they didn't.
I've had this happen many, many times when something very
serious... very serious threats against my life and against my
work. I get a phone call or someone will walk up to me in a
public place and say: Jordan, that thing that you've been
worried about the last two weeks?
We took care of it. Move on. Don't worry about it.
I thought: Well... I mean, I'm still here, I'm still alive,
[Kerry laughs] so I know that I have been protected. I know
DW: Where would the truth movement be without you? Specifically,
Zeitgeist is a movie that was in the top five most-viewed on
Google Video for like a year at least and I would like the
Project Camelot viewers to be apprised of the situation in
regards to your involvement with Zeitgeist because it seems like
Management, as I call them, put you in a position in which the
whole conspiracy theory movement wouldn't be anywhere near what
it is now if it wasn't for your influence.
JM: Yes, Zeitgeist is a two-hour movie made by a guy named Peter
Joseph in New York. I didn't know anything about it, but Peter
Joseph produced a two-hour video and the last that we heard...
because on Zeitgeist it was one of the first times Google pulled
the counter off of something that's on Google Video? Usually it
would have a counter, how many people have seen this video. They
pulled the counter. They pulled it, I think it was at 28 million
when they pulled it and that was like a year-and-a-half ago.
KC: And that's based all on your work, isn't it?
JM: All of it was based on my work. Jeff Rense had Peter
Joseph... and you can go to my website, www.Jordanmaxwell.com ,
and go to the audio/video page. One of the first entries is a
big banner saying Zeitgeist Interview, and it's only about five
But Jeff Rense interviewed Peter Joseph about Zeitgeist and
talked about how, you know, they pulled the counter a
year-and-a-half ago at 28 million and it's probably more than 50
BUT HE SAID: Why did you make this video?
AND HE [Peter Joseph] SAID: Because the whole thing was Jordan
Maxwell's work. I was listening to him; I've been following his
work and I just decided since he hasn't done anything, I will.
So he put all of my work together on religion, ancient theology,
the Federal Reserve, banking, and 9/11 and all that nonsense,
and put it all together into a two-hour video called Zeitgeist,
which I am told by people...
My friends in Hollywood (and I've lived in Hollywood for 48
years) my friends have said that if they had 28 million and they
pulled it off a year ago; probably seen by 50 million - that's a
very good showing in Hollywood! If you can get 50 million people
watching something that represents you, that's pretty heady
stuff in Hollywood.
JM: I didn't do it. I didn't even know anything about it. But
since then, there have been about six other
professionally-presented videos done on me that I had no idea.
People would call and tell me: There's an hour show on you in
England; there's an hour show on you in France.
Germany actually came over - the National German Network - came over, and did an hour program on me, and they had Arnold
Schwarzenegger in it, and the whole thing was in German. [Kerry
laughs] I still have a copy of it they sent me. It was done in
German on me.
KC: I understand. Now, I don't know if you're willing to talk
about this, but Zecharia Sitchin and you sat down and you asked
him to tell you a secret. Based on all your time with him, the
things that you had done for him, etcetera, etcetera, you
basically said: Tell me something that I don't know.
KC: Are you willing to talk about that?
KC: Because I think that that is a clue that people would really
benefit from knowing.
JM: Yeah. I don't think I want to talk about that.
KC: Do you feel that Zecharia would not like that information
JM: No. It was that it was a private conversation and when I
asked him... Because, like I said, at one time I was in business
with Zecharia. I had a contract with him, and so we were
business partners, and so I felt a little bit more of a leeway
to talk with Zecharia in private. So I asked him one time some
very personal questions about his work and it was absolutely
mind-blowing and staggering, the things he was telling me.
And then... Well anyway, then he told me some things about
myself and I was amazed. I never heard such a thing, that what
he was being told, or wherever he got it from, he had a view on
me, who I am and what I'm doing. But at that time we were
talking, it was a private conversation, and I think it'd be
better just left private.
KC: Okay. Fine.
JM: All I will say is this: Zecharia Sitchin is a fascinating
man and a brilliant writer, and I love everything he's doing,
and I love the man. He's a very dear friend and I love Zecharia
Sitchin. He's a very, very gentleman kind of guy, and so... I
KC: Okay. Would you classify what you've been talking about, in
a sense, as a "war" that is going on, on a spiritual level?
JM: Yes. No doubt about it.
KC: For the hearts and minds of humanity?
JM: Yes. Absolutely. There is a spiritual war going on right now
and Hollywood's making movies about it - War of the Worlds,
Steven Spielberg. I've said so many times that Steven Spielberg
and George Lucas are many things, but stupid is not one of them.
Steven Spielberg is trying to tell you something. In one of his
interviews a few years back, I remember he said that he does
not... Steven Spielberg said: I don't make movies to entertain,
necessarily; I make movies to comment on important issues of the
And looking at Spielberg's work, which is genius... something I
want to say about Spielberg: I've watched a lot of productions
and I've been in Hollywood for a long time, 48 years I've lived
in North Hollywood and Hollywood, and I have many, many, many
friends in the industry. I already know, because I've been told,
that virtually all the major names in Hollywood know who I am -
and they should - I've been talking for 48 years! [laughs] And
they're using all my stuff now, so they should know me.
But Steven Spielberg is one of the most clever people I have
ever watched a person's work, because he puts... a couple of
things. One is: he's a stickler for accuracy on costumes and
terms that are used, so anytime you see anything that Spielberg
has made, it's very accurate - the clothing that would have been
worn in those days, the way the people would have talked, it's
very accurately done. So he's a stickler for accuracy.
But the thing I really appreciate about Steven Spielberg is he
puts little things, little small things that you would never see
if you're not looking for it, that are really a mind-blower, a
Wow. Back that up, and that one scene with that one person, what
they said... he's a master at doing that. He's a master at
putting powerful things in some little insignificant scene, so
if you're not watching, you'll never get to see the real genius
of Steven Spielberg. I love watching his movies because I know
what I'm looking for.
KC: So he's using symbolism.
JM: Oh yeah!
KC: All over his movies.
JM: Everywhere! And George Lucas, equal. George Lucas is
brilliant, in my opinion. He said he was heavily influenced by
Joseph Campbell, the famous...
JM: And Joseph Campbell was an incredibly dear man. I just loved
listening to Joseph Campbell explain mythologies and all the
symbols of the ancient people.
KC: Did you know him?
JM: No, I never had a chance to meet Joseph Campbell.
KC: What about Arthur C. Clarke? Did you meet him?
JM: No, I never had a chance to meet Arthur C. Clarke either,
but I would love to have. I've had opportunities to be in the
company of people like that, but I was not in a position to
travel, I didn't have the money, I was in a depressed state of
mind, and so I let some very important people go by that I could
have been with.
I used to be on the board of directors of an organization in
Hollywood - this was quite a few years ago - called USofA. USofA
was United Sensitives of America. This organization was founded
in Burbank and I came in at a very early period and I ended up
being on the board of directors of USofA. I really didn't take a
whole lot of charge in it. The man who started it pretty much
ran it, but in words, I was on the board of directors.
But anyway, it was an organization where numerologists,
astrologers, all kinds of esoteric disciplines would come
together and we would put on shows, expos, and also once a year
we would put on an award show where we would honor certain movie
stars for their work feeding the poor or whatever.
KC: But weren't you also involved in maybe discovering murder
JM: Oh yeah.
KC: And also occult happenings that were going on.
JM: Every two weeks, I think it was like every two weeks, we
would meet about 9:00 in the evening up in the Hollywood Hills
from the Hollywood sign. We would be up there, and there'd be
about 50 people up there in this big, huge home that was owned
by a movie star who had passed away. It was a huge, big home and
the front room was just enormous in size and there would be like
50 people there every two weeks. There would be a group of
astrologers, a group of psychics, a group of numerologists, this
group and that group, and they were all different disciplines in
the esoteric sciences.
And we would have the Police Department or the Sheriff's
Department - usually it was LAPD would come up, sheriff a couple
of times too - and they would come up. We had a big blackboard
and they would have pictures up on the wall of the case that
they wanted us to talk about. They would show us the person who
was kidnapped, or the body that was found, or whatever the case
was, and then the officer in charge, usually a detective, would
write down or have it already written down, all the pertinent
information that the Police Department had and each group sat
with a group. All the astrologers sat together...
KC: I do want to ask you which group were you among? Were you
JM: No. I was with the people who were putting it on. It was all
being sponsored by the USofA, United Sensitives of America, and
since I was on the board, I was there representing the company
that's putting this thing together.
Like I said, we also would have award ceremonies once a year in
which we would give awards to different people who were doing
different things for humanity. I was privileged to be able to be
there to give Manly Palmer Hall an award for his work in service
to the world.
Manly Palmer Hall, I believe, was one of the finest and most
dearest men I have ever met in my life. He was not only
charming, an extraordinarily brilliant mind, but he was one of
the most decent and beautiful people that I have ever,
personally, have ever met.
Manly Palmer Hall was an extraordinary teacher. He never
promoted anything. He merely educated people, as: This is where
this came from; this is where that came from; this is what that
word means. So he was an educator. People have called him all
kinds of names because he was a Mason. I knew him personally.
I've been to his home. When he died, he left me a beautiful gift
- all of his research journals, he left to me.
KC: That's amazing.
JM: I was shocked when I got a phone call from the Philosophical
Research Society in Los Angeles and Obadiah Harris, the
president at that time, said: Mr. Hall wanted you to have
something when he passed away.
AND I SAID: What is it? I was in San Diego.
AND HE SAID: I'm not going to tell you. Just come pick it up. So
I drove up that day to Los Angeles from San Diego and it was all
of the research journals of Manly Palmer Hall, he gave to me.
And I consider that to be a monumental gift from a very powerful
KC: Did you find some clues there to follow out? [laughs]
JM: Tons of stuff there.
JM: Manly Palmer Hall, as I said, was one of the greatest
teachers the world has ever known. In my humble opinion, I don't
think there's ever been in any era of time a man to come close
to what Manly Palmer Hall was able to do. Anyone who has an open
mind - and of course, your mind is like a parachute: it doesn't
work if it's not open - anyone who is intellectually honest,
which you don't find very much - intellectually honest with an
open mind, mature and intelligent person looking at the work of
Manly Palmer Hall would have to say this is one of the greatest
men that ever lived.
I don't know how many... maybe 70 or 80 books on esoteric
subjects of the whole world; over 46 sets of lectures, like six
90-minute audio lectures of 46 esoteric subjects of the world.
JM: Incredible. Plus thousands of lectures. Incidentally, I have
everything he ever did. Every lecture he ever did I have,
digitized. Monumental work. But he was a personal friend of mine
and I loved him dearly. I'm saying this because there are so
many people who put him down because he was a Mason. He was a
wonderful teacher, a brilliant man, to which his detractors
could not even hold a candle.
KC: I hear you.
JM: And he's not the only one. I have other people I feel the
same way about.
KC: Okay. How do you feel, just to change gears here a little
bit, about the current administration of Obama?
JM: [sighs] Well, I'm not political as such. Personally - I
think I ought to choose my words carefully here - because I like
Obama as a person, and he's very personable; he's the kind of
guy I would love to sit and chat with. His children are
beautiful, his wife is a very intelligent lady. And so I don't
have anything against Obama or his family. I think they're very
personable and very interesting people.
But it's the powers behind him, that he represents, that's
frightening to me. I know things about the people who are behind
him that is absolutely staggering, frightening. I live in fear
of what's coming, because of what I know - not because of what I
believe or think - because of what I know.
KC: Are you talking about war? Are you talking about an agenda
that involves war? World War Three?
JM: Well, that's always possible. Let me go back and say this.
Again, I have nothing against Obama as a person and I like him.
The family, nothing against them at all. But the symbol that I
was telling you about, that I've been working on... Did you ever
see the movie or the television show V?
KC: Oh, absolutely.
JM: The very first one?
JM: Well, ABC is now remaking V. They're remaking it. And I was
shocked - someone sent me an email. I think they were in
Hollywood, and they sent me an email with a picture from the new
movie coming out soon. I think it's going to come out in the
next month or so, a made-for-television movie by ABC.
KC: Oh, really? Okay. Fabulous.
JM: Disney / ABC.
KC: Very interesting.
KC: Okay. Yeah?
JM: And it's going to be called V and it's a remake of the
JM: But in it, the extraterrestrials who are referred to as the
Visitors? The Visitors in the new one are giving to the public a
pamphlet explaining their (quote) "New World Order" that they
are bringing to planet?
JM: And the picture, which I have, shocked me. My knees got weak
and I had to sit down. It was shocking. It was the Visitors, the
alien visitors who looked like humans, were handing out
pamphlets to the people about their New Order that they were
going to bring in and the title of the pamphlet was: The Dawn of
a New Day - the very words that I have been researching for
some 40 years is now going to be in the movie, the new V.
JM: And I'm telling you, that is not only significant, it's
mind-blowing when I give you the whole story. [Kerry laughs] ABC
and Disney are telling you something about this symbol that I've
been looking at for a long time and it's going to be right in
your face. Because I'm telling you, that symbol is going to
become the most important symbol around the globe, for the first
time in the public view.
Anytime you want to do research on the hidden stuff like I've
done, it's everywhere. But no, now because of Obama, now the
secret societies of the - what I think are extraterrestrial
masters of this world - are going to bring this symbol out into
the world, so everyone can see it.
And eventually what's going to happen is that the whole human
race is going to wake up. And this is my opinion about 2012 - my
opinion of 2012 is there's going to be an awakening for the
whole world: We've been had! They're going to see this is an
ancient thing that's been coming for a long time and we never
saw it, we didn't understand it.
But when my video comes out that I want to do - it's going to be
like a three-hour step-by-step on Obama's symbol, Jimmy Carter,
all the Presidents, the Bushes, the entire superstructure of
Western Civilization, and what this stuff really means, and
where it is really comes from.
I think, and I'm not trying to aggrandize myself, but I really
believe that it's going to cause quite a sensation when people
see what I really am, that I've never told anyone before.
And when I see Obama using the same terms, the same symbol, the
same one that the Communists used, the Nazis have used, the
fascists have used, the secret societies around the world of
Freemasonry have used; the Babylonians; as I said, all the
ancient Egyptians - they all used the same word, term, and
And now ABC is coming out, Disney / ABC is coming out with a new
remake of V and in it, the extraterrestrials that look like
humans, who are bringing a (quote) "New Order" to the world, and
the pamphlet in the movie is called Dawn of a New Day!
I SAID: WOW! I cannot believe how overwhelmingly obvious this
secret symbol is now becoming, and that's why I will do this
video on it.
KC: But were you told more about the movie? More about where
they're going with it, in other words? I'm assuming you haven't
seen it yet.
JM: No, I haven't seen it yet, but I watched the other one so
many times. And the "other ones", if you remember the original,
the Visitors, they were wonderful people. They were very
gracious and charming. And then remember the lady who was in
charge of the visitors, she was the highest ranking, she went
into a room and pulled off her face - it was a reptile alien?
JM: I personally, I brought David Icke to America. He was in
America because I brought him here, personally.
JM: And so I'm saying that I am totally convinced beyond a
shadow of a doubt, for myself, that there are such things as
reptile aliens, though I have never seen one, thank God. But I
totally believe they are here. Not because of David Icke, not
because of Credo Mutwa, who I love listening to, a wonderful,
fascinating man. David Icke has done great stuff. But I believe
there are reptile aliens here, because of my own personal
I have been in the company of at least eight people over the
past many years, eight different people... each one is
extraordinarily well-grounded, people. Airline pilot, one, with
a major airline.
A very wealthy man in Las Vegas who buys and sells commercial
hotels and buildings, etcetera - extremely wealthy man -
Christian, incidentally, very Christian man, but very, very
wealthy and very highly intelligent man sat down and told me
about his personal one-on-one with a reptile alien in which many
others in his church were privy to see. That's a whole story in
itself that happened in Colorado. And then to have scientists...
And a young lady who was one of my favorite people in the world,
a young lady called Nancy, who just blew me away. On my radio
show - I used to have a show; I've had seven different radio
shows in my life. I'd like to get back on radio and do my own
show again. But I had a show on KPFK here in Los Angeles, FM
station, and one night I had Nancy on and Nancy just blew the
audience away. She is so feminine, so incredibly charming and
feminine girl, talking about stuff that will blow your mind. KC:
JM: Her father was in the Air Force. Her family was Air Force,
but her father was in charge of Project Retrievables for the Air
Force - the man who was in charge of going out wherever in the
world [there was] any extraterrestrial activity. He was in
charge in the Air Force to go there first, and he was the boss,
and she said the modus operandi was always the same. I'll have
to make you a copy of her two... I've got two two-hour
interviews that will just knock you out.
KC: I'd love to hear.
JM: You could tell this is a very charming girl, but telling you
stuff that you're going to have to sit down to deal with.
She said wherever they would go; she always lived on military
bases. And she said always the method was the same... there was
one phone in the house for the family, and then there was
another phone, which no one ever touched; you never used it.
When that phone would ring, no matter when - two in the
morning, three in the morning - it doesn't matter; if that
phone rang, her father had ten minutes to be fully dressed with
his briefcase, and ready to go. In ten minutes a car would pull
up and nothing was said - no voices, nothing was said. A knock
on the door, he would walk out; he would have military escort
into the car, get in the car, and drive off, and nothing said.
Nobody knows where he's gone, and nobody needs to know.
And so she said that many a night, they would get that phone
ring, he would get up, dress, briefcase ready to go, and they
would take him somewhere in the world where something has just
happened and the Air Force was sending him to see what just
happened and they're in charge.
And she would tell me the things that her father, and especially
her mother... She said the father would never tell her anything
when she was a child, but the mother would tell her later on in
She told me an experience that just blew my mind about a reptile
alien. You really have to hear it from her, but basically the
story is so fascinating [that] I‘ve got to tell you it.
SHE SAID: Her father would never allow her to be left alone in
the house, ever. When he would go off during the day... they
live on base... it doesn't matter. When he would leave the
house, immediately military would come and guard all four
corners of the property. They would sit there in cars and guard
while he's gone anywhere. If he went to the market or whatever,
they would be guarding the house, and he would never allow her
to stay at home by herself.
And so she said one night - you'll hear this interview - she
said one night... it wasn't on base, they were here in Los
And she said that her mom and dad were going next door to a
party next door, and she asked her dad if she could stay. She
was like thirteen, fourteen years old.
AND HE SAID: No. Absolutely not.
So she talked to her mother and the mother talked to the father
and got him to agree that she could stay home.
AND SHE SAID: So for the first time in her life, she was
actually going to be alone in the house by herself.
SO SHE SAID: She was in a bedroom combing her hair and she had a
mirror that she could see her closet and the closet had French
SHE SAID: They were closed, partially closed, and it wasn't too
well lit in the room.
SHE SAID: She was combing her hair, looking at the closet door,
and all of a sudden, the closet door opened up and a reptile
alien stepped out.
SHE SAID: He had to bend down to get under the header and he
SHE SAID: It was a full-grown man, extremely muscular, but it
was a reptile body, reptile alien head.
AND SHE SAID: This thing looked at me and I'm looking at it in
AND SHE SAID: He started moving toward me without moving his
legs - he was just floating toward her, slowly.
AND SHE SAID: I felt like it was like coming up on a fly, you
know, grab it quick.
SHE SAYS: She jumped up and screamed and ran down the hallway,
ran into the bathroom, locked the door, opened the window and
Of course, everybody in the neighborhood heard.
AND SHE SAID: This reptile alien came down the hallway.
AND SHE SAID: I could feel him walking, because he was so heavy
and he was scraping on the door, growling like a dinosaur growl,
scraping on the door. She said: that when her father and the
neighbors come running up, they opened the door. When they came
running up, they were yelling outside, this reptile alien ran
back down the hallway into her bedroom and disappeared.
SHE SAID: When her father came in, the bathroom door was just
ripped, and obviously, the father said he was not going to hurt
her, but it was a message.
AND HE SAID: That's why I never wanted her to stay alone,
because these aliens have told us, the Air Force, that "You keep
poking your nose into our business. Every time something happens
you come out and poke your nose. So we just want you to know,
the next time something happens and you poke your nose into our
business, while you're out here poking your nose in our
business, some of us are going to come visit your daughter, so
you need to stay home and stay out of our business."
So he said that's why they always had military around any time
And so when she was telling me this story about other reptile
aliens... and of course, I've heard it from so many
legitimately-important people, I have to believe that there is
something to this story. I have personally not seen one, but I
don't want to. [Kerry laughs]
But I've seen enough to know that there are life forms on this
Earth, which are not from here. I've already seen too much to
know that. My experiences have been extraordinary. As I said, 36
major experiences I've had in my life, where I've dealt with
KC: Okay. Well, this is a really amazing interview. Can you talk
at all about anything else that you think that people should
know in terms of the overall picture that you've been giving
JM: I WOULD SAY: Be aware that there is a war for your soul.
There is a war for the spiritual. You know, there's always been
this question for thousand of years, all the great philosophers
ask it, about whether we are physical bodies which have a spirit
in it, or are we originally a spirit which has taken on a
physical body? You know, which comes first, the chicken or the
But, I am convinced that no matter how it happens - if we were
physical and took on a spirit, or maybe we were spirit and took
on a physical body, I believe that there is a war going on from
somebody out there that was an original enemy of whoever created
us. So whoever created us has enemies out there in the universe
and that are diabolical enemies.
And we know this is true in government, you know. You may see
the President and the First Lady and all of that. It's very
prominent and proper, but they have enemies, powerful enemies.
That's why they have to be totally surrounded by military and
protection because they have serious enemies. Something happened
to me that tells me that there's something going on like that. I
was in Hawaii many years ago. My wife and some friends, we went
to Hawaii for the first time. I was sitting in a restaurant
across the street from the Hilton Village.
In the restaurant - which is a main drag, a main strip - I was
sitting with my back to the door. Someone came in and I
immediately had an electrical charge go through my body. It's
bad enough being shocked by a wall plug, but if you don't know
it's coming, it's even worse.
I was sitting at the table talking, and all of a sudden,
somebody came in and an electrical shock went through me and I
knocked stuff on the table, I knocked water and stuff on the
table and I jumped up, involuntarily.
I JUST JUMPED UP AND SOMETHINIG TOLD ME: Run quick, you're in
trouble! You're going to die. Run quick!
I ran out the back door of the restaurant... ran across the
restaurant - left my wife and my friends - ran across the
restaurant, ran out the back door.
AND THE VOICE SAID: Run quick, you're in trouble! Go across the
street to the hotel.
AND I SCREAMED, I REMEMBER YELLING: I can't go across the
street, there's traffic out there.
AND IT SAID: Run! There will be no traffic. Run!
And so I ran out into the street, involuntarily. I was not
making a conscious decision to do any of this, it was being
foisted on me. I ran across the street and as it so happened,
there was no traffic for that little stretch.
I RAN OUT AND IT SAID: Go out around the hotel.
THE VOICE WAS SAYING: Run quick to the hotel.
AND I RAN AROUND THE HOTEL AND IT SAID: All right, you're safe
now. Now you're safe.
AND I SAT DOWN, MY HEART WAS POUNDING AND I KEPT THINKING: What
did I just do? And how am I going to explain this to my wife and
my friends, what I just did involuntarily? I don't know what
That happened to me twice.
The second time was a few months later in Los Angeles. I was on
the corner of Fairfax and Wilshire Boulevard in a little coffee
shop called Johnnie's Hamburger Stand. It's a little restaurant.
I was sitting at the counter and I noticed - peripheral vision,
I didn't look over to see them, but peripheral vision - I saw
two guys walk in, and as they walked in, immediately an
electrical shock hit me. I almost fell off... I was at the
AND THE VOICE SAID: Get out quick! You're in trouble. Run!
And I so I grabbed a bunch of money, threw it on the counter and
tripped trying to get out of the chair on the counter. I got up
and I hit the side door and I ran north on Fairfax.
AND THE VOICE KEPT SAYING: Run! Your life is in danger. Run
I RAN ABOUT TWO OR THREE BLOCKS UNTIL I WAS JUST ABOUT OUT OF
BREATH AND THEN THE VOICE SAID: All right. You're safe now.
You're safe now. Sit down.
And I sat down; my heart was pounding again. And it was
involuntary... I didn't make a conscious choice to run, I just
started running and the voice was talking. It was yelling to me.
It was actually like a yell: MOVE QUICK! YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER!
So that happened twice to me. I have no idea what that all
means. I'm just telling you what happened.
KC: Okay. So you are positing the fact that there is this symbol
that in the symbol is basically telling the world of a New World
Order and the return, or basically, a Son [and/or Sun] taking
control, and that this is happening sometime in the near future.
KC: And I'm assuming you think around 2012. Is that correct?
JM: Yeah. That's what I think.
KC: Okay. And then you're talking also about, really, reptilians
and an agenda which is not quite clear but there is something
going on with that.
JM: That's right.
KC: So what I'm now asking you is whether or not that so-called
king is reptilian.
JM: Well, I don't know and what I would say to an audience
that's watching this... I've said it too many times before, but
I think it bears saying again: I'm not the world's foremost
authority on anything. I'm just telling you what I have seen
with my own eyes, what has happened to me in my life.
But I would also say to anyone who would scoff at this, just
look at what I have to offer first before you make a decision if
I'm crazy or not. See what I have amassed in the past 40 years
that I haven't told you, that you don't know that I have, and
see the research that I have done on this subject of this New
Order of the world which I started talking about back in 1960.
I was sending letters to Belmont, Massachusetts back in 1960,
Belmont Massachusetts. I was sending letters to the John Birch
Society who had just been formed in 1959. The John Birch Society
was, of course, exposing all the Communist activity in the
world, especially in America.
I was already well into all of that in '59 when they started,
and so I started sending them articles, things like: Well, you
need to look at this symbol and this word and this term here and
also you might want to look at this guy and this organization.
So I was sending them little tidbits of information back in 1960
on the subject of Illuminati... on secret societies, not
Because the Illuminati, I found out about, like I said, in 1967
when Anthony Hilder produced the series of records, of three
33-1/3 record albums called Illuminati. . ["The Illuminati and
the Council on Foreign Relations"] The man speaking was an
incredibly interesting man named Myron Fagan and I don't know if
you've ever heard Myron Fagan, The Illuminati record. It will
knock you out, absolutely. Today, it's still a knockout when I
hear it today
JM: I heard it 40 years ago. When I hear it today, it's still a
KC: I have a question for you that is a little bit moving on to
another topic. It has to do with the illuminati, but I wonder if
you would address it. What is the significance of merging the
red and the black?
JM: Oh, that's interesting. It's called - red and black and
white, all three: red, black, and white - are referred to in
Hollywood as Death's Head colors, because Death's Head comes
from a Nazi organization called the SS, the Gestapo. Gestapo was
referred to as the Order of the Death's Head, and the Order of
the Death's Head, Gestapo of Nazi Germany symbol was the skull
and crossbones - Skull and Bones. That was their symbol.
But to the Germans on the inside, the Gestapo was called the
Order of Death's Head and Death's Head's colors in Hollywood...
I attended a lecture many years ago by a black doctor who worked
at Martin Luther King Hospital and some of my friends in the
motion picture industry, black entertainers, called me and said:
You really need to be here tonight. You need to come and hear
this. It's going to be a private lecture by a doctor from
Chicago who came out here. It was an actual doctor working at
Martin Luther King Hospital and he was giving a lecture on
Death's Head colors.
It was fascinating. It was a slide presentation at a library, in
Santa Monica library, in a private invitation only. There was
only about 25 to 30 people there. And he was explaining the
Death's Head colors, why it's black, white, and red, and how
black, white, and red are used in motion pictures. When someone
is going to die or someone's going to be killed, those are the
three prominent colors that will always be in those scenes.
They're called Death's Head colors. They symbolize the darkness
of the darkest, the most profound presence of evil - red, white,
KC: But there's also a significance in terms of the occult, with
regard to certain genetics.
JM: Certain genetics? Oh, of course.
KC: In other words, the red being a red-headed person with
certain kinds of DNA.
JM: Oh, I'm sure there's more to that.
KC: And the black being a blond, usually Celtic, a mixture
JM: I'm sure that there is that, too. Yeah. The only thing I was
saying was that was very interesting because I remember that
night he talked about the European Masonic Orders and how the
Mexican gangs in Los Angeles and around the country use Masonic
symbols from a particular Masonic Order in Europe, while the
black gangs use opposing symbols and terms of a different
Masonic Order in Europe, and that most likely the gang members
themselves do not realize that these actually can be traced back
to Masonic symbols in Europe.
So I believe that the gangs going on in America today are being
organized, directed, and financed out of Europe to destroy our
culture in America. I think that European Freemasonry is heavily
involved in destroying America, and you need to understand the
whole story about how America was founded, and how it was
founded as a corporation. It's a privately-owned corporation. We
can talk about that for days on end.
This is just my opinion, one man's opinion, but I'm going to
give you my opinion as to the bottom line on the world today and
the stuff that's going on, on the Earth today.
What we call Illuminati was originally a term which was given
to, in Spain, to a religious order in Spain that later on were
amalgamated into what we call Jesuits, so the Jesuits are truly
KC: And the Vatican. And you go into that as well.
JM: That was what I was going to say. Yes. I believe that one of
the most evil organizations that exists on the Earth today - and
you'd have to have spent all the years with me in libraries and
research societies and travel and go around the world and
talking to other writers, authors, lecturers, and teachers, and
collecting this stuff over a period of 45 to 48 years - to
understand what I'm telling you. But I believe today the most
serious, evil organization on the face of the Earth is the
Vatican. That's my personal opinion.
I think if the Vatican was done away with off the face of the
Earth, there would be a shot of liberation heard round the
world, because the Vatican, in my opinion, is the bulwark of
this dark thing that's happening on the Earth.
So when you talk about Illuminati, when you talk about the
really dark criminal stuff that's going on on the Earth, you're
talking the Vatican.
You're talking the Knights of Malta, which gave us... the six
men who founded the CIA in America were all Catholics, members
of the Knights of Malta.
When you begin to look at the banking fraternities in America,
like the Bank of America, Union Bank in California, all of these
people who founded these banks and today are running the banking
establishment are all Knights of Malta - Catholic Masonry.
So when I hear people talking about the Jews this, the Jews
that, and the Jews are responsible, I say: No, no. You better go
back and do your homework. The Jews have been slaughtered all
over Europe by the Vatican.
You need to remember that for at least 2,300 years, Rome has
dominated Europe, under the Caesars of Rome. Then in the late
4th century the Vatican comes into being and the Vatican
dominates all of Europe.
All the heads of state, all the princes and kings and rulers...
all the kings and rulers in Europe ruled by the Divine Right.
It's called the Divine Right of Kings.
What are you talking about? Who represents Divine to give the
king the right? - the Pope. The Pope appoints certain families
to be over the French, the Pope appoints certain people to be
over the Germans, and over the British - and by Divine right.
Why? Because the Pope represents God, and the Pope says that
this family is holy and that they should rule, and therefore
they'll say they rule by Divine Right.
The whole idea of Divine goes back to the chalice, you know, the
Holy Grail. And in the Catholic Mass, you have the priest
breaking the bread and then pouring the wine. Well, wine is made
from grapes and wine is red, so it's a red grape wine. It
represents the blood of the Atonement. Blood... it's a blood
Where does the wine come from? It comes from grapes, and grapes
grow on the vine... and that's where we get the concept and the
word Divine because grapes come from the vine. So that's where
we get the word Divine.
And once you begin to realize how the Vatican has... for over
2,300 years, Rome has dominated Europe, and in 1,600 years, the
Vatican has dominated Europe - and Europe, for 2,300 years, has
dominated the Earth.
So if you want to talk about conspiracies and you want to talk
about evil, don't talk about Jews. You better talk about the
people who control Europe for over 2,300 years - Caesar of Rome,
the Roman Catholic establishment. There's the real story.
Now you're getting into Mafiosi. Now you're getting into the
fraternal orders of Freemasonry out of Europe, Knights of Malta.
Now you're getting into the organized crimes - Sicily, Corsica -
and all of the profound drug-running, white slavery, murder for
I mean, even... what was his name, the producer of Godfather?
What was his name? Francis Ford Coppola. In Godfather III,
Francis Ford Coppola, in Godfather III, the third one in the
series, opens up with Michael Corleone being anointed by the
Cardinal in New York to be a member of the Knights of Malta in
the Catholic Church in New York.
What is he telling you? The connection between the Vatican, the
Holy Father - there's nothing holy about the "Holy Father".
There's nothing holy in Israel. Nothing. There's nothing holy in
the Vatican. There is nothing holy in Salt Lake City. There's
nothing holy in religion, period.
It's a way that the masters, whoever these entities are who are
controlling the human race, they have set up certain
institutions of learning, of education, religion, and
government. That's why I've said you better go back and do your
homework on where the history of the world comes from.
I don't see the world being run by Jews. I see Jews being used,
but you will find that even Rothschild, the Rothschild family
who we hear so much about: Those Jews who were running Europe.
No. If you go back and look at the history of the Rothschilds,
you will find that Rothschilds represented the Vatican.
He was dealing for the Vatican. He was a Vatican banker
appointed by the Vatican to deal for them, so that the Catholic
Church would never be involved in all that terrible stuff going
on in banking: We'll let the Jew do it. Then, of course, if
something comes out, well, it was Jewish, obviously. No, no.
It's your money that he was handling.
So if you really want to nail down the real enemy to America and
then to the Earth, I'm telling you it's only taken me 48 years
to get here. I was born and raised Catholic. I mean, my whole
family were very Catholic. We were the most Catholic family in
town. But I know history and I know that the most criminal
organization on the face of the Earth, in my humble opinion - I
don't know that much about it, I've just been looking here for
48 years - is the Vatican.
KC: I hear you.
JM: As far as I'm concerned, it's the worst thing that's ever
happened to the world is what's really going on in the Vatican.
And that doesn't even bring up the subject of Propaganda Due, P2
- Propaganda Due, P2 Lodge. That was even mentioned in Godfather
There's a Masonic order in Europe called Propaganda Due. It's
called P2, and P2 is connected directly through membership with
Opus Dei and the Knights of Malta and the Jesuits. Jesuits/ Opus
Dei/ Knights of Malta/ Masonic Order, are connected directly to
something called Propaganda Due, P2 Lodge of Freemasonry.
P2 Lodge of Freemasonry is world famous to people who do
research into criminal organizations. P2 is pure, unadulterated,
pouring directly out of the trough of Nazism. Underworld
organizations, drugs, human trafficking, pornography, violence,
underworld organizations - it's all P2. They're the ones who are
promoting the right-wing death squads in Central and South
America, Mexico, the drug cartels in Colombia.
We're talking Catholic Knights of Malta/ drug cartels/ Colombia
- extraordinary vice on a level which it is hard for most humans
to recognize and it's all being orchestrated out of the Holy
Father in Rome.
This is why I've said so many times, there's never gonna be a
time in the history of this country that America will be saved.
I don't believe America can be saved. I truly do not believe
that America - or the human race - I don't think...
It's just my opinion, again, but I don't think the human race
can be saved and I don't think America can be saved, because so
many millions of people just love the filth and degeneracy of
the world we live in. They love it. They love the Holy Father
and all the pomp and glory of all the politicians and kings and
rulers and the pusillanimous pictures of Bush kissing the ring
of the Holy Father.
What does that look like, for Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house
Nancy Pelosi, in full color on the news, bowing down and
curtsying and bowing down and kissing the ring of a Roman
The men who founded our great nation would throw up with this
treason, high crimes and treason against the state by these
people who call themselves America's leaders. I'm telling you,
the Vatican has given us the Mafia, drug-running, prostitution,
KC: Child pornography.
JM: Child pornography. All of it.
KC: And the children that are disappearing. Are you familiar
with Leo Zagami?
JM: Say it again?
KC: Leo Zagami.
JM: Oh yes. Yeah. I've heard him many times.
KC: Okay. He's gone back into the fold because they tortured
KC: But when he was out for a moment talking to us, he talked
about underneath the Vatican is a huge reptilian base.
JM: I don't know. I wasn't there, but it wouldn't surprise me.
JM: I don't know.
KC: So there is some kind of linkup between the agenda of the
Illuminati, the Vatican who's heading all of that up, and this
reptilian roll-out - to get back to where we were talking about
and perhaps this so-called figure who's taking the throne and
the symbolism that you're talking about.
JM: I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. It wouldn't shock
me. I want to say something about Dan Brown's movies.
KC: Okay. Angels and Demons, and the other one...
BR:: DaVinci Code.
JM: DaVinci Code, and now this new one.
KC: Is it really called the...? What we were...?
JM: I think it's called The Hidden Symbol or The Secret Symbol,
or something like that, which my producer friend and I were
going to do a movie and we were going to call it The Hidden
Secret or The Secret Symbol.
KC: I understand.
JM: And now Dan Brown comes out, the Secret... As far as I'm
concerned, I have no respect whatsoever for Dan Brown. None. I
have no respect for the man at all, because as far as I'm
concerned, he's plagiarized and stolen and I don't like people
who steal, because I've had it happen to me.
KC: He stole from Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Isn't that right?
JM: Oh, you can bet on it. Absolutely. He stole the whole thing,
that whole story, Dan Brown and The DaVinci Code and all this
other... Angels and Demons, all of that he stole.
Now let me tell you what I think. This is just my opinion. I
think Dan Brown is a plant. I think he's nothing more than a
paid lackey and a plant. I am totally sure that the real
Illuminati, whoever these guys are at the top of the world, use
people like Dan Brown, who don't mind making a lot of money to
become a whore. I think that's all he is. In my humble opinion,
I think Dan Brown is just a whore. He's just taking the money
and sleeping with the enemy.
I think what he's doing is he is nothing more than presenting
what his masters behind the scenes want the public... and so
they will spend all kinds of money telling you about how
wonderful Dan Brown is and Oh my God! He's so brilliant and
intelligent, and all this silly nonsense. And the people who are
so used to sucking up to Hollywood will believe that stuff.
Me, I've been around Hollywood 48 years. I know this stuff
backwards and forwards. I think Dan Brown is nothing more than a
front for a very powerful Masonic Order in Europe which is
trying to lay the foundations for this Novus Ordo Seclorum, Dawn
of a New Day sunrise-thing that's coming. I think Dan Brown is
nothing more than a whore taking the money and making it look
like he's the one that came up with this, when in point of fact,
no, it was stolen. It was stolen from three men in England: Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln.
JM: Back in 1980, there was a book put out that became a New
York best-seller for many, many months. It was a top-of-the-line
best-seller called Holy Blood, Holy Grail and the three authors
were three British authors, Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln.
They outlined for the first time, the story of the Knights
Templar Masonic Order in Europe, the Knights of the Holy Grail,
the whole concept of a Masonic secret society operating in the
world. And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they weren't better
informed about this than what they let us know. I don't think
they just by chance happened upon it. I think they already knew
something and they were putting it out in a book in such a way
as to start people thinking about it.
But nonetheless, Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln were
extraordinarily brilliant writers and their research was
impeccable. I mean, these guys nailed it down, and even today
around the world, people who are knowledgeable on these subjects
will agree: Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln did one hell of a job;
they had their homework done.
KC: Okay. Well, I have one last question.
This been an amazing journey to take with you, and I hope that
we can go down that road a little further in the future. I think
that people that are watching this really need to get up to
speed with, you know, following your other work, your previous
work, hopefully attending any conferences you're speaking at. I
believe that you are coming forward. You had no preparation
whatsoever and you spoke at our Awake and Aware Camelot
Conference here in Los Angeles just last weekend, and it's
really an honor to be here with you.
But I want to ask you if you think that this Illuminati and
what's going on in the United States right now, do you really
think that they are going to be successful in taking down this
country? Because it's clear that there is someone protecting
you, there is a group protecting you. You certainly have some
amazing powers, as you've demonstrated. Do you think that these
powers, these Illuminati people behind the scenes are going to
be successful at taking down the United States government?
JM: Yes. I totally agree. Yes. That's what I think.
KC: Okay. I mean, you do have people behind the scenes that are
protecting you. You've demonstrated that time and time again on
KC: They're, therefore, in theory, protecting us here, Project
Camelot, and other of our witnesses and so on because we are all
talking about the same thing from different angles and getting
our research together, and so on.
JM: That's right.
KC: But in essence what I'm wondering... There are white hats
operating, as you know, and as we know because we have been
interacting with those people from time to time. Do you think
it's possible that these people can be stopped?
KC: You don't.
JM: No. I do not.
JM: I categorically say No. I do not believe there is any
reasonable evidence of anything of hope for America or for the
world. That's my personal opinion. I think that the light at the
end of the tunnel is a train coming.
There's no doubt in my mind, for myself. I do not believe
America or the world at large is going to be able to extricate
itself out of this situation. No. I do not believe it's
And the reason why is because the people are too stupid. They're
too ill-informed, ignorant, ill-informed, un-read,
self-centered, egotistical, materialistic, and down-right
stupid. And they don't care. Basically speaking, people don't
Ludwig von Mises in one of these books, the great European
economist, Ludwig von Mises said - and he's right-on as far as
I'm concerned - he said that in every age and in every country,
the people of every nation have always supported a dictator. The
people have always supported a dictator and they always will.
There's never been a time in the history of the human race that
you can show me where the people of a nation rose up and
demanded their freedom, liberty, and justice for all, not even
in America. Ninety-seven percent of the male population in
America at the time of the American Revolution did nothing. Only
3 percent took up arms against the British masters and gave us a
modicum of freedom. But happily that will never happen again.
America is finished.
DW: This father of the girlfriend that you had, when he spoke to
you, did he tell you that we're doomed? I mean, why did he call
in the UFOs and tell you all these things if we were just going
down the toilet? Did he tell you that we were doomed? Did he
tell you there was a war and that we were going to lose, no
KC: Okay. Let me rephrase this: Do you realize that your mission
and your call to arms, which you're really coming right on the
verge here - I mean, I think that the new release of V is sort
of a signal to the populace, a last-ditch attempt to wake the
people up as to what may be coming - and basically you have a
mission, we have a mission.
I'm sorry, you know, Jordan Maxwell, you're a brilliant man, but
you were put here for a reason. You have incredible force behind
you. The man who spoke to you all those years ago and told you
that you would have a journey is certainly behind you now. I
would say that, judging from everything that's gone on with
Project Camelot, that we have some of the same force behind us.
And I have to say that the fact that you're sitting here today,
and you're talking to us, and you're alive and well, and you're
coming forward at this moment and talking about things with
really no holds barred, is indication to me that there is
something going on that's more than you have dreamed of in your
philosophy. So I want to thank you very much.
JM: Well, I want to answer that question. I do not believe
America can be saved.
KC: I hear you.
JM: I do not believe the human race can be extricated or saved
from what is coming. I do not believe that my mission here is to
save anybody. I believe what I am doing is to help those who
want to know, those handful of people who are awakening and who
sincerely spiritually understand the dynamics of what's going on
and who want to know and want to change and want the protection
of the spirit... That's a small modicum of people, a very small
I do not believe America can be saved. I'm doing what I'm doing
only to help those who want to know.
KC: Obviously you are a person who is trying to wake up people.
Okay? Sometimes there has to be a severe word told to the people
in order to actually get them to awaken and I do believe that
this is part of your mission. But I will thank you from Project
Camelot. I hope that you are wrong about your final judgment on
the human race.
JM: I do, too.
KC: And I'm sure you do, too.
JM: Absolutely. That's why I'm trying to do whatever I can to
help those who want to know and hopefully it may spread. Thank
KC: Thank you.