David Icke: Yeah, no problem. Really nice
to have you.
Interviewer: That's wonderful. Now, amongst many of your
series that you do is the Dot Connector series. What is that
about? What's your thought behind it?
David Icke: Dot Connector. If you look at the world
as a series of random events, random happenings, it makes no
sense.
Why do they do that? Why do they do it this way? Why
don't they do it that way? It would be much better if they
did it that way. And so on and so forth.
Why does this happen? But when you connect the dots, you
connect these events, you find that actually they do all
connect. And, you know, people say sometimes about me: "You
see a conspiracy everywhere."
No, I don't. I see one conspiracy to turn the world into a
global dystopia. And that one conspiracy has endless facets
and forms. But it's actually one conspiracy. It's one
gigantic web.
And that's literally true in terms of what I
call the global cult, which is a global network of
secret
societies which are operating outside or in the shadows from
those that appear to be running the world.
Interviewer: That is interesting. And we'll get into this
deeper a bit in the next questions because I would love to
do a kind of this dot connecting style in this interview
that we look at different, seemingly unrelated topics and
find out how they're connected.
So let's start with the
first one, like in every good conversation, with the
weather.
David Icke: It's been a great summer, hasn't it?
Interviewer: It has. Nice and cool, here in Germany at
least. How was it in Britain?
David Icke: Well, yeah, you had the heating on. Sat watching
the telly in a coat. Yeah, it’s been really „warm" here.
But, you know, that's a classic.
I have a phrase:
"Know the
outcome and you'll see the journey."
And what I mean by that is if you know where we're being
taken, the steps to take us there then become obvious day by
day, week by week.
And the outcome that is planned is, that
we live in a centrally dictated global dystopia, where in
the end there are even no elected politicians, what they
call a
technocracy of appointed people, appointed
bureaucrats, ah, European Union!
Appointed bureaucrats and technocrats and engineers. And
health experts and all this stuff. Who actually are making
the decisions from a central global point. Look at the World
Health Organization. That's the stepping stone towards this
global dystopia. So that's where they're taking us.
The idea is also, because if you look at the whole
foundation of this global conspiracy of human control, it's
based on perceptual control.
We behave as we do because we
perceive as we do. People caved in to the COVID hoax because
they perceived there was a dangerous virus. And they
perceived, that the fake vaccine, not a vaccine under
previous criteria, was a way to save them from the dangerous
virus.
That perception led to people submitting to what were
fascistic impositions all over the world.
So if you want to
control behavior, you have to control perception. And if
you control behavior, well, collectively, that's what we
call human society. And then you ask the question, where do
perceptions come from? Well, they come from information
received.
Whether it's a news bulletin, a posting on Facebook, personal experience.
Interviewer: Exactly.
David Icke: We form our perceptions from information we
receive. And from those perceptions comes our behavior. And
collectively, that behavior is human society.
And this is where censorship comes in. Because censorship is
about seeking to control. The information that people
receive, thus controlling their perception.
So this is why
during
the COVID hoax, anyone that was challenging the
official narrative, and then challenging the official
narrative of the fake vaccine, they were, like me, deleted
from the mainstream internet; from YouTube, from Facebook,
and what have you. Because of control of perception!
And the
idea is that, and this has long been the plan all along,
that you move communication of information from the sources
that we remember onto the internet.
Because once you've got them onto the internet, you can
algorithmically dictate what people see or hear. To the
point where they can even stop things being posted. Never
mind take them down once they're up. Stop them being posted
through keywords and what have you.
So immediately from a question about the weather, we're
connecting all these other dots, which are actually part of
the same stepping stone to this outcome of global dystopia.
So why global warming? Well, it's climate change now, since
it stopped getting warmer.
And why is it that they are
demonizing
the gas of life, carbon dioxide, without which
we'd all be dead? There'd be no food, there'd be no plant
life, nothing.
Interviewer: And they're bringing it to a new level, because
what's currently very much in the news, I read just
recently, that they have these suspected heat-related deaths
that are popping up everywhere. Like 2% of all deaths …
[David Icke: Oh, yeah.]
... in New York during the summertime, this is officially in
the mainstream media, are heat-related. What is going on
here?
David Icke: Well, they wouldn't be in Britain in this summer
for a start. But the point is, in terms of weather deaths,
it's cold that kills the far, far greater number of people.
But here's the point, okay?
You want to create a society in
which people are herded and corralled into very small areas
in which they can move, what they call these
15-minute
cities.
You want to stop travel long distance, eventually
even much short distance travel. You want to transform the
nature of global society, okay? So what is the basis of
global society in terms of the economy and the sense of how
we live?
It's fossil fuels. That's what has driven the Industrial
Revolution and everything that's come from that. Now, here's
the real point of net zero. If you set a net zero target for
carbon dioxide, you don't really have to do much more
because once you've set that target and you've said, I don't
know, 2050 or whatever, right?
Interviewer: Right.
David Icke: To meet that target, by definition, human
society has to be transformed.
Interviewer: Exactly.
David Icke: Purely to meet that target. And of
course, fossil fuels have to basically disappear and all
this other stuff. We have to destroy the landscape with wind
turbines that are incredibly fossil fuel...
Interviewer: Based.
David Icke: Driven, yeah, based, yeah. But don't tell them
that because what we need to do is to create this hysteria
of: "We're all going to die!" to meet this target, because
this target will, by definition, reaching it, will transform
human society.
And to meet it, so many things have to
change. Cars have to basically be dramatically reduced.
Vehicles have to be dramatically reduced. And movement and
travel have to be dramatically reduced.
And of course,
there's another agenda going on in the background that, of
course, they know that it's all a nonsense. But in the
public arena, the nonsense is being advanced and the
nonsense is being driven because of what it will achieve,
which is a complete transformation of human society.
Interviewer: Wow. That's interesting because looking at that
agenda, we could go on to the next dot, which would be, for
example, the economic development that we're in.
We've had COVID. We have wars with all these sanctions that are being
enforced. We have the FED keeping the interest rates high
and everything. And we see that that basically is destroying
the economy all over the world, or at least we feel that in
Germany.
People are being laid off. And even big pharma and
big tech who actually were reaping billions and are reaping
billions and everybody's investing there, even they are
laying off people and are kind of complaining that they have
billions in losses and everything.
What is going on here?
David Icke: Yeah, but they're laying off a lot of people
because
AI is taking over.
Interviewer: So the question is, will the economy recover in
time? Or is this a plan? Is there a goal behind this? Do
they want the economy down? Or what is going on here?
David Icke: Right. Again, know the outcome and you'll see
the journey. The outcome is the population globally under a
situation of dependency.
Now, whatever you are dependent
upon controls you. And so they want you dependent upon this
global cult in all its forms called governments, whatever,
to the point where they destroy the economy and the jobs
with AI and with net zero ,because, you know, all these
industrial ways that we've lived in the Industrial
Revolution period, they have to go, because you can't meet
net zero otherwise.
And so you are erasing, not least
through AI, you are erasing the ability to earn a living in
the way that we've come to know it. And so the idea,
because, you know, I came up with a phrase back in the
1990s: Problem, reaction, solution.
Interviewer: Remember that, yeah.
David Icke: You create the problem or the illusion of one,
like …
Interviewer: COVID.
David Icke: Like COVID and climate change, human - caused
climate change. The climate's always changing. And you want
a reaction from the public, which is:
"Something must be
done, what you're going to do about it?"
And then those
who've covertly created the problem or the illusion of it
offer the solution to the problem they have created. So if
you sell the illusion of human-caused climate change, then
you can offer the solution of transforming human society to
save us from human-caused climate change.
This is how it
works.
And in terms of the economy, the idea is, that they make the
jobs disappear, not least through AI. And then they say:
"Oh, well, we're really nice people.
We have made your jobs disappear. We're lovely people,
we are. So what we're going to do is we're going to pay
you a universal guaranteed income, a universal basic
income.
Every month, you're going to get a
check from the government. It will be a pittance, mind,
but you're going to get a check from the government."
And that dependency on the government will come with
strings. Because if you want to be a renegade against the
government and the dystopia, well, you're not going to get
your guaranteed basic income. So how else are you going to
put food on the table?
Because we've taken away all other
means of doing it. And that's the idea. It's like they throw
the fishing line out and then they start to pull it in. And
so if you look at certainly what happened in Britain during COVID, they shut the country down, which was incredibly
damaging to the economy.
Lots of small businesses went out
of business because they want rid of small business, even
medium -sized business.
Because you see, if you have access
to independent income through an independent business, OK,
every business is connected to the system, but I mean,
that's run independently, that‘s not some gigantic global
corporation.
If you have access to an income from something
like that, you are not dependent on the government.
Interviewer: Exactly.
David Icke: But if they can get rid of all those independent
jobs and make you dependent on the government for your
ability to put food on the table in any form, then they
control you. And what controls you is dependency.
So this is
where they want to take it.
And people are kind of saying, we hear that AI is going to
be some massive job-destroying phenomenon, but even those
people, I don't think, grasp just how many jobs are going.
And the other thing, when we talk about connecting the dots
and we talk about dependency equals control, this is why
they're destroying the food supply.
This is why they're
targeting the farmers.
This is why, certainly in this
country now, where this ludicrous, insane Labour government
of Keir Starmer in this country just got in, they want to
cover vast tracts of farming land with solar farms and wind
turbines. You're seeing the targeting of farmers in places
like the Netherlands and Germany.
And who is the biggest
owner of farmland in America?
Interviewer:
Bill Gates.
David Icke: Bill Gates, right. And the Chinese are buying up
great chunks of American farmland as well. So what they're
basically doing is
controlling the production of food. And
if you are dependent for your food supply upon sources you
don't control, you are dependent on those sources and
forces.
And this is where it's going. It's about creating
global dependency, thus global control.
Interviewer: Wow. Yeah. That's interesting. And speaking of
AI, we're told that we're in a quantum computing and AI arms
race.
Like Donald Trump announced in 2020, that one billion
per year will be invested in quantum computing in the US.
China invests about three times as much.
Elon Musk announced
that he's investing 10 billion this year alone to build up
the biggest supercomputer of the world in Memphis to train
his AI, Grok.
And he's also training Tesla cars and robots
to function autonomously. Google and other big tech
companies are outdoing each other, building supercomputers
too. And obviously they've been gathering and storing the
data of billions of smartphones for years now.
And the
question now is, are these countries really working against
each other in an arms race?
David Icke: No way.
Interviewer: Or are there connections between these players?
And are they actually working on a kind of a common goal?
And if yes, what would that be?
David Icke: You're absolutely right. You see, this is the
great con. You have in politics, you have left v. right. And
then in the background, they're all mates. I mean, some of
them might disagree with each other genuinely, but a lot of
them, the key people, they're all mates, really.
You notice
when
Donald Trump won the 2016 election, and there was a
chant every time he came on the stage often: "Oh, jail
Hillary, jail Hillary!" And he would go along with it: "Jail
Hillary, jail Hillary!" Hillary Clinton.
And immediately
after he won the election, he was asked if he was going to
jail Hillary Clinton.
And he said:
"Oh, no, she's lovely. We
should respect all the things that she's done for this
country!", and all that stuff.
It's all crap. I mean,
the
Clintons, when they were the Democratic presidents in the
White House and the Bushes, who were the president either,
basically either side of him with the two Bushes.
They were mates. I mean, not only mates, they were part of a
criminal operation, running drugs in America, out of the
Mena airstrip and other places in Arkansas when he was, when
Clinton was governor for Arkansas.
So what we're looking at
in terms of politics, left and right, it's theater. It's
Vaudeville, right? But, and that's to keep us believing in
the political system and the fact that because we have to
vote every four or five years, somehow we're in control of
who, runs the government.
But the thing is, that you have
the left and the right in this puppet show, and then you go
one step back in the shadows and the same hands are
controlling both, which is why no matter who's in power,
left or right, the same agenda unfolds for humanity.
Interviewer: Does that apply to like USA and China as well?
Like on the country level?
David Icke: Yeah. Well, it's one of the things I've been
saying over the decades. This global cult has no borders.
They are for population consumption only. That's to make you
think that there are different countries with different
agendas.
There's not. There's a global cult that works
through all of them. So China is an interesting, an
interesting point because what happened, I've written about
this at length in some of the books. The Mao revolution was
a global cult revolution.
He was a global cult operative. And the reason for that
revolution was to create a closed society, which it was for
a very long time. It still is to a point, but not like it
was. That through which you could incubate a structure, a
system, not least in the end, using artificial intelligence
of total human control.
And once you perfected that and
incubated it within the Chinese arena, then you play it out
across the world, right?
So it's no coincidence that
COVID
came out of China in the official story. And what has
happened since that happened is that the West has become
more and more like China in terms of technological control
and, and impositions.
So I've seen documentaries in which someone was sent out
onto the streets of a Chinese city. And the idea was for the
AI system to find them. It took minutes. And what's also
happening in China is, and this is because it's the
incubator of the global system.
As I've been saying for
years and years, if you want to know what's planned for the
West tomorrow, look at China today. You have this social
credit system, whereby, you know, they're basically under 24
seven surveillance.
There's millions of cameras in every city. And what happens
is if your behavior suits the government, you're basically,
you're compliant and you do what they say, you get credits.
And if you don't, you get them taken away. And eventually
you, you're not able to function in mainstream society. You
can't go on a train. You can't go on a plane.
And this is
the system they want to play out across the world. And this
is where the digital currencies come in and why they want a
digital economy.
It's because once they have that, they can
do what they do in China, which is if you, for instance, go
jaywalking in China across the road when you shouldn't, even
though there's no cars coming, then you can be fined before
you get home. It's taken out of your bank account through
the digital system.
And this is the plan.
You know, these cameras that are going up all over the
cities. I mean, in London, oh, in London, we've got this
scam called ULEZ - ultra low emission zone. And they've got
all these cameras and it' s £ 12.50.
If you've got the wrong
type of vehicle, just driving off your own, drive outside
your own house, you go past the camera, immediately, it' s £
12.50 a day, if you've not got the right kind of vehicle.
And those cameras, which are everywhere, are not there to
police ULEZ. That's the foot in the door, right? They are
the number plate cameras to police the 15 minute cities. And
the no-go zones that people are planned to live in to save
us from climate change.
So all these things connect. And,
you know, I said in 2008, when you had the banking crash:
The next one that's planned, you will hear on Mars.
Interviewer: Because it's that big.
David Icke: Well, here's the situation. Problem, reaction,
solution. While the status quo is going along okay. If it's
not broke, don't mend it. People, if you come along and say,
we want to bring this in, we want to bring that in.
They'll
go:
"No, everything's fine. We don't need that."
Right? But
if you crash the status quo, whatever it is, then you've got
a problem. You've got a, a point of transition, because the
status quo is gone. It's in disarray. This is what a
financial crash does.
And then you go:
"Well, do something.
What are we going to do?"
And that's when they come forward
with a solution. And the solution is the transformation of
the financial system into a digital control system.
And this is what they're doing all the time. They are
manufacturing problems. And then offering the solutions to
the problems they have themselves created. This is happening
all the time. And a lot of these problems are actually not
problems at all.
I mean, we talk about human... caused
global
warming. It's a nonsense. It's scientific nonsense.
You look at weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that
justified that catastrophic invasion of Iraq. There were
none. But the perception was that there were, because it was
repeated all the time, not least through the media.
And
therefore they invaded. And they invaded on a lie. And then
they go, oh, well, there were no weapons of mass
destruction. But by then, the deed is done. The catastrophe
is on the way. And it has led to so many other things that
have gone on in the Middle East.
And so when people tell you, when official sources tell you
that there's a problem and this is why there's a problem,
well, the thing to start off from is you're lying to me.
Because if you look through history, that's the common
theme.
Authority lies. It's what it does. It's what it's
there for.
Therefore, if you authorities are telling me this
is what the situation is, first of all, I'm going to take it
immediately that you're lying to me. My next question is,
why are you lying to me? And you will know the answer to
that by seeing what they say is the solution to what they're
lying to you about.
Interviewer: Right.
David Icke: And, you know, you will find sometimes when you
research this that, well, okay, authority is telling the
truth here or telling the truth there. But overwhelmingly,
it will be lying to you. And that's where is the place to
start.
So when they told me there was a deadly virus, my
immediate reaction was, you're lying to me. So therefore,
what's the solution?
And I thought the solution, you're
going to come along with a bloody vaccine as the solution to
what you're telling me this is going on. And that's how it
turned out, of course. And so, you know, to start off with
the perception that authority is lying to you is a very good
place to start. It stops you getting scammed.
Interviewer: Does anybody start off with that perception? I
think a few people do.
David Icke: Yeah. Well, it's amazing how history confirms
it.
Interviewer: Right. And speaking of, I mean, you addressed
this whole left - right perception game going on. Speaking
of that, I like this quote by one of the former U. S.
Presidents, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who brought the U. S.
into World War II. Yeah. He said, in politics nothing
happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was
planned that way.
And taking that quote and then looking at
Trump and Trump's appearance and how the media are dealing
with him now, also with the recent happenings and yeah, how
it's being played out and also all the alternative
conservative political parties on the rise all over Europe.
Would you say is that a planned step or is that a real
pushback against the agenda?
David Icke: Well, there's a lot of people that will believe
it's a real pushback. But a little knowledge is a dangerous
thing.
Okay. I'll tell you from my own experience of being
in this arena for 35 years now. When I started out in
1990ish, there was no alternative media. They didn't exist.
I watched it grow, particularly after 9/11. It grew very
rapidly and then it's gone on.
And even great chunks of the so called alternative media
bought the COVID hoax, which was kind of quite depressing to
watch.
But a lot of people didn't, and called it out and, you know,
did a lot of very good work alerting people to the fact that
this fake vaccine was not going to be good for them. Why?
Because it weren't meant to be. So then the cult is faced
with a dilemma because for a lot of people, the genie was
starting to leave the bottle.
Because they realized,
especially with a bit of hindsight, where they were starting
to see that what alternative people were saying at the time,
like that this is a hoax and the vaccine is the punchline
and it's not going to be, to have a great outcome for
humans, was actually true, right? And the genie started to
leave the bottle.
What was happening is that people in, and I can tell you
from my own experience, vastly greater numbers than ever
before were realizing the world weren't quite like they
thought it was. And that the forces in so called power were
not the forces they thought they were. So the cult has a
dilemma. It knows the genie, for a lot of people, is not
going back completely. It's not.
So what do we do? The
danger is that that awakening goes on expanding to the point
where it enters those areas of understanding which are going
to be a real problem for this global cult and its agenda. So
what they have done, and I've watched it happen, is they've
put a lot of people into this alternative media who weren't
there before, before COVID.
They didn't build it. They don't
bring anything new to the table in new research. They just
regurgitate old stuff and call it bombshell broadcast and
revelation, right?
And basically what they've created is what I call the
Barricade Brigade. And the Barricade Brigade is a limit to
where they will go. So basically what's happened before
COVID and during COVID, a lot of people in the alternative
media realized that this was a puppet show left and right
and this is where the power was that worked through both.
What has happened as a result of this hijack is that the
alternative media center core that gets all the algorithmic
promotion on things like X and gets all the financial
promotion has regressed back into the puppet show.
So if you
look at the mainstream of the alternative media, it is now
right wing politics. That's what it is. And right wing
politics that says, we have a saviour. Right. Like in this
case, it's Trump, right? He's going to drain the swamp.
What?
A man who's been swimming in it all his life is going to
drain it now.
What? So, but what is politics there for? Which is why if
you regress into it, into left and right, you've already
lost the plot. When for a long time, the cult was using
royalty as its point of control, which suited it perfectly
because you had people who were leaders and rulers as a
result of bloodline inheritance. And there was like one
ruler. So you didn't have to control very many people really
to run the show.
But then, humanity started to reach a point
of maturity, shall we say, where they weren't having that
anymore. And you had the transition from royal control,
although in places like Britain, it still goes on. Right. To
political control.
So what is political control? If you look
at any political party, it's a pyramid. You've got the few
at the top who run the show and dictate the pyramid. Then
you've got all the members of the party going down, the MPs
and right down into the activists, who are at different
levels of the pyramid.
Okay. So what you want to do is you want to become a member
of parliament. All right. Well, in this country, you have to
be selected by a local constituency party. This is the same
with all the political parties. And therefore, when you have
your interview, you have to toe the party line.
You have to
say what the hierarchy says that party stands for at that
time. If you then get elected into parliament, if you're
going to progress up the greasy pole to be a minister or
prime minister or whatever, first of all, you have to be
ruthless.
But secondly, you have to toe the party line.
Because rebels, well, they just don't progress, right? So
what you've got is two hierarchies. Say you've got two
parties like the Republicans and the Democrats. You've got
two hierarchies. And at the top, a very small number of
people are running both pyramids.
And then you go one step
into the shadows and you've got the same people controlling
both hierarchies, thus both parties. So whether one's in
power or the other's in power, the same agenda kind of goes
on unfolding.
So you have created an illusion that we've moved from no
population control royal dictatorship to a population
controls the political system. It doesn't. It doesn't
because in the end, all these parties are controlled by the
same people.
And even if you've got one or two parties,
smaller parties, that are genuine, first of all, the system
makes sure they don't get to power. And even if they do, the
system then makes sure that what they want to do for the
betterment of the population maybe is not allowed to happen.
I mean, I'm not saying that she wanted to do this, but we
had a wonderful example.
When Boris Johnson was dethroned as
Prime Minister of Britain while still in office, the
Conservative Party had a vote of members to decide who was
going to be the new leader of the Conservative Party who
would, by definition, become the Prime Minister, the
unelected Prime Minister.
And they voted for a lady called Liz Truss. Now, Liz Truss
was not the cult choice. What the cult wanted was Rishi
Sunak. Okay.
So Liz Truss comes in and she was the shortest
reigning Prime Minister in history because they started a
financial run out of the stock market and the City of
London. And she had to resign because there was financial
mayhem.
And they said, oh, what do we do now? Oh, Rishi
Sunak.
And the cult choice got in. So, you know, when you
control the system, you're even able to stop genuine people
doing what they would genuinely like to do. And so you have
this situation and this is the point of politics.
What
happens at an election is that the population says, I'm
voting for you. You do it. And for the next four or five
years, you sit there and hope they do it and they don't do
it because there's no contract that what they tell you
they're going to do and what they tell you they're not going
to do, they actually do or not do in power.
They'll do what
they bloody like once they're in.
Interviewer: No accountability.
David Icke: Yeah. No accountability. But this is the point.
At the last election, something like 74 million people voted
for Trump. They gave their power to Trump. Not the last
election, the 2016 election. They gave their power to Trump.
I think about the same voted last time as well in the second
election, which Biden officially won. Right.
But so 74
million people. Now, are you going to make more of a
difference by voting for Trump, who is just another gopher
for the cult with a different rhetoric and a different
image?
Or are you going to change society by 74 million
people taking their power back, not giving it away, taking
it back and saying we're not cooperating with anything that
is taking our freedom away and is to the detriment of our
lives and our kids lives and our kids futures. We're not
going to do it. We're not going to do it!
Interviewer: Wouldn‘t that be a solution?
David Icke: Well, you have a situation. Let's just break
this down. Right. Because people say, what can you do? Well,
let's just have a look at this. It's pure mathematics. They
tell us there's eight billion people in the world, right?
Right. The number of people in full knowledge of what
they're doing in terms of creating this global dystopia is a
tiny, tiny fraction of the eight billion.
Eight billion
cannot be controlled by those people without the cooperation
of the eight billion, without the acquiescence of the eight
billion. That can't be done. So what they do is they create
political parties so that people can fight over in the
puppet show.
They create different belief systems that can
fight with each other for having the power over the other.
And they can divide and rule us. So we're fighting each
other while not looking up and seeing the same hand is
controlling the strings of all these different factions.
And
if we just said, look, you may believe something different
to me.
What's the problem? The problem only arises if you try to
impose what you believe on me and I try to impose what I
believe on you. That's the only time the problem occurs.
[Interviewer: Right.]
Because otherwise, otherwise we can say, well, I don't agree
with you on that and you don't agree with me on this, but
let's have a beer. It's not a problem. And we'll discuss it.
Maybe you'll persuade me. Maybe I'll persuade you. But it
ain't a problem.
There's nothing to fight over! But because
belief systems tend to want to dominate, they are seeking to
impose their belief on other people. And that's when you
have the problem. That's where you have the divide and rule.
You know, you can watch a football match and you could
really like one of the teams to win. Right? Right.
But if
they don't, nobody dies. Right? But what you then see is
because I support this team and you support that team and
maybe my team's won or your team's won, we must now have a
fight out the back. Why? Why? It's a football game.
And this is just a brief experience. We are not human. We
are consciousness; having a brief experience in a vehicle we
call human. We are eternal, infinite awareness. All of us.
We are all expressions of one whole. What happens through
control of perception is that that oneness, that unity
fragments and fractures into factions of belief systems.
Which again is not a problem unless you want to impose yours
on someone else. Right. You know? And if we would just stop
fighting each other and respect each other's right to have a
different view to us, a different lifestyle, whatever. I
mean my philosophy on life is very simple.
Do what you like
so long as you don't impose it on anyone else. Impose it
psychologically, or impose it physically. Right? If you
people want to act like that and you're all agreed that you
want to live like that, well you live like that. But you
start imposing on others how you want to live, then I'm
interested.
And my reason for doing what I do is not because, you know,
people must live as they choose to live. It's because it's
being imposed on people who don't want to live like that.
You know, if you travel around the world and you go to South
America and Central America and parts of Asia, etc. Africa,
there's vast numbers of people who are not having a good
time. They're just trying to survive another day. Right. It
doesn't have to be like this. It doesn't. But because of
divide and rule, it is.
Interviewer: And speaking of this divide and rule game and
these belief systems, would you say that they're being built
up and actually funded into being and fueled? And if so, by
whom is that happening right now, especially with this left
right paradigm?
David Icke: Yeah, well, if you look at the alternative
media, the MAM, as I call it, the mainstream alternative
media, this hijack that's moved in and has taken the
algorithmic support and the financial support and all that
stuff, you've got certain players in there.
There's Tucker
Carlson. And I'm not saying these people are bad people
because if you want to hold the barricade and go here and no
further, you don't even have to have people in there that
know they're doing that. You just have to have people in
there which you massively promote whose belief system and
perception of the world is that, that politics is where it's
at.
That politics is the answer. And you put Trump in and
things change and all that stuff. You don't have to have
agents in there. There are some. Don't let's kid ourselves
on that.
But overwhelmingly, you don't need to. You just put people
in with a certain belief system and you promote the hell out
of them and they'll hold the line.
They'll hold the line
because they don't think there's anything beyond the line.
And this is what's happened. And if you look at the, first
of all, the major names, I'm talking Joe Rogan, I'm talking
Russell Brand, I'm talking, well, I mean, Alex Jones has
even been pulled into it.
He was from the old alternative
media, but he's been pulled into it as well. And you look at
Tucker Carlson and so on, there's another guy called Bret
Weinstein and his brother, Eric Weinstein. So you've got
those people. They're given all the promotion. But then
there's another group in the shadows around them.
And they
are multi-billionaire tech operatives who are funding and
orchestrating the suppression of the big picture and holding
the line on the little picture because it suits their
agenda.
So you've got one in particular called
Peter Thiel.
Interviewer: Founder of PayPal, right? PayPal.
David Icke: Yeah, he was one of the founders of PayPal. He
was the first private investor in Facebook, made a fortune
out of it. But it's very easy you know to make a fortune if
you know what's going to happen. All right?
Interviewer: Right, if you're part of the club.
David Icke: It's like
George Soros. You know, investing at
the bottom of a market and then it goes up and selling at
the top of the market, well, it seems to be like financial
brilliance.
But if you know when the market's top because
those who have made it go up are telling you, then you'll
sell at the top and you'll get back in at the bottom when
they tell you it's as low as it's going to go. Because the
whole stock market, the financial system is completely
controlled.
And if you have that knowledge because you're
connected to the inside, then you can make a freaking
fortune.
You don't have to be brilliant. You just have to act on what
you know. So you've got Peter Thiel and he was the
co-founder of a company called Palantir. And Palantir is a
provider of surveillance and high tech technology for the
Pentagon and the global intelligence networks. Peter Thiel
is on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, right?
He's a globalist as they call him in the alternative media.
Now, Peter Thiel is a mate of Musk. He's a mate of a guy
called Marc Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz. All these
people, another guy called David Sacks, all these people are
multibillionaires who have suddenly moved as one unit to
support Donald Trump. And they've moved in on the
alternative media or a certain part of it.
So Peter Thiel is an investor in Rumble. It's supposed to be
an alternative platform. Another investor in Rumble is J.D.
Vance. J.D. Vance is a business associate of Peter Thiel, a
globalist steering committee member of the Bilderberg Group.
And J.D. Vance has just been named as Trump's vice
presidential running mate.
Another guy who's in that
immediate Trump circle is a guy called Vivek Ramaswamy.
Ramaswamy and J.D. Vance went to the same school at the same
time. They are both venture capitalists. And who invests in
the companies of both of them? Peter Thiel. Who is Peter
Thiel's financial and business advisor?
Eric Weinstein, brother of Bret Weinstein, who's suddenly
become one of these stars of the alternative media out of
bloody nowhere. And so what you have is this background
grouping of billionaires and they are tech billionaires.
They are AI billionaires. And what they're doing is
orchestrating a situation whereby they control the
government to the point where they get what they want in
terms of the introduction of AI.
And JD Vance has made a
fortune out of tech investments through his Thiel invested
company. So, you know, it's a club. What was it, George
Carlin said? It's a big club and you ain't in it. That's
what it is.
Interviewer: That's what's happening.
David Icke: And so when you're not part of that club, which
is why I've always worked alone, I've never worked in a
group of any kind, you can see it. And this is the point.
There are some great alternative journalists around who see
beyond the barricade, but they don't get the algorithmic
promotion and the financial promotion that the here and no
further people do.
And that's why, you know, you had this
great explosion after COVID in the wake of COVID of
awakening and more and more new information. And notice it
stopped. The barricade brigade, and I watch them all the
time, they don't bring anything new to the table. They just
regurgitate old stuff. And call it revelation. Been in my
books for 20 years. Oh, bombshell broadcast. It's been on
books 20 years ago, mate.
They're just regurgitating it
because they're holding the line. And there are other
alternative journalists who can see well beyond that, but
they don't get the support and they don't get the promotion.
Interviewer: Right. That's interesting. Well, our time is
running up. So maybe one final question to you that would
be, I mean, you have now all these 35 years of experience in
going against the mainstream.
What would you say is the key,
that you would give our audience to understand these global
conspiracies and what would be the key for the discernment
of seeing through our world as it is?
David Icke: Okay. The thing is, to see that the world
appears to be fragmented in terms of events and they seem to
be random, but they're not. I'm not saying that, you know,
people say, do you believe in the conspiracy theory of
history or the cock-up theory.
As if they're exclusive.
They're not. Some things that go wrong are just people who
are not very bright doing stupid things. What I'm talking
about are the societal changing events. They're the ones
that drive the direction of the human society. They're the
ones that are not random.
They are calculated. And I guess
to put it in a simple structure, because, you know, when I
started out in 1990... you know when you do a jigsaw puzzle, I
haven't done one for years, but when I do a jigsaw puzzle,
what I want to do first is: I want the straight bits. I want
the frame before I do anything.
And then you put the pieces in and what you notice is, the
more pieces you put in, the quicker you put them in, because
now you can see where they go because you can see where the
picture's unfolding, right? And that's what this kind of
research is.
And so when I started out, I thought:
"Okay, I
can see that a few people control the world. My question is:
How do they do it? There must be a structure. Otherwise,
everything would just be chaos."
So this is what I put
together a long time ago. If you imagine a spider's web
around the world and each strand of the web is a secret
society or a semi -secret group and at the external part of
the web is a government or a government agency or a
corporation or a CIA. And at the center of the web is the
spider.
In another interview, we'll get into what the spider
is.
Interviewer: Now it's getting interesting.
David Icke: That's when the whole world really opens up when
you realize what the spider is. That's what the here and no
further is all about. Don't let them know what the spider
is, right? So you got the spider and the spider is driving
the global agenda.
The strands in the web immediately around
the spider, they're the ones that are really in the know of
the whole agenda. And most of those don't even have names
because it makes them harder to track. They are really
exclusive.
Then you come out from the spider and now you're
entering the realm of the secret societies we do know about.
We don't know what they do and decide but we know they
exist. This is the Freemasons and I'm talking, you know, the
inner core of the Freemasons, not Bill and Joe down the
local lodge. I'm talking the Knights of Malta, the Knights
Templar, the Opus Dei, the inner core of the Jesuit order,
etc. And that's still in the hidden. And all these
organizations are fiercely compartmentalized. So only a few
at the top in any of these organizations know what the real
agenda is. The rest are suppressed in terms of their
knowledge depending on how low they are in the pyramid.
It's called degrees of knowledge, basically. And then as you
come out, still in the hidden, you hit what I call the cusp.
The cusp is where the agenda that comes through the hidden
secret societies hits this cusp point, where it's from here
played out into the world of the scene through governments,
government agencies, intelligence agencies, NGOs, pentagons,
all these stuff. Now, at this cusp, this is where you find
the World Economic Forum.
This is where you find the Bilderberg Group. This is where you find this explosion of
often Soros -funded NGOs. This is where you find the think
tanks, as they're called and their job. And again, they're
compartmentalized so most people in them, the lower levels
will have no idea what they're part of.
Their job is to take the agenda from the hidden and to play
it out into the public arena through influencing government
policy, corporation policy, the policy of authority in
general. And that's classically, is it not, what the World
Economic Forum does. That's what the
Bilderberg Group does.
Steering committee member, Peter Thiel. That right, JD
Vance. Oh yeah, I thought it was. So, this is where it's all
connected. So, when you come out into the world of the
scene, what it seems like to the population is, that there
are random corporations, random organizations, and random
governments, and random everything, right?
But when you know the web, you realize they're not random at
all. For instance, every organization, whether it's the
World Health Organization, or whether it's Facebook,
Twitter, whatever it is, if you go deep enough into it,
you're going to attach to the web. You're going to reach
that point in the organization where it attaches to the web.
And at that point, at that level, they're all the same
organization.
So, the
World Health Organization says: "This
is what you must believe about COVID!", right? Immediately,
and if you don't know about the web, then it's kind of
bewildering.
The Silicon Valley corporations like Facebook and YouTube
say:
"We're going to censor anyone who is at odds with the
World Health Organization version of COVID."
And you think:
"But you're supposed to be the public square. You're
supposed to be where debate and opinion is exchanged."
But
they didn't.
They said:
"We're going to censor anything that
is at odds with the World Health Organization version of COVID."
Why is that? Because at a deep enough level of the
World Health Organization, which is basically run by Gates,
who is a gopher for
the Rockefellers, and then the
Rockefellers were the creators of the World Health
Organization in 1948.
And the cult level, the web level of Facebook, they're the
same organization. So, they are censoring on behalf of the
web, the agenda or protecting the agenda being circulated by
the World Health Organization.
Then you have organizations
like the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and the Food
and Drug Administration and the MHRA, which is the version
in Britain and every other country will have a version: An
organization that's supposed to protect the population from
the big pharma cartel, right? Through making sure that
everything's safe, that they're bringing out. Right.
But if you look at the COVID fake vaccine, your Pfizer's,
and that was a military operation, by the way,
the Pfizer's
and the BioNTech's and
the Moderna's, they went to these
organizations and public protection health organizations and
they said:
"We want to use this fake vaccine on lots of
people and we want to bring it lower and lower and lower
till we're doing it to giving it to babies and we haven't
tested it and even the trials we did have, they weren't very
good."
So, what you'd think if there were public protection
organizations like the CDC, they'd go. "STOP! You're having
a laugh, mate. You're not getting anywhere near the
population!" But they didn't. And they didn't everywhere.
They gave them permission. Why?
Because the cult web owns the public protection
organizations and they own Big Pharma.
In fact, they created
Big Pharma through the, again, the Rockefellers, J. D.
Rockefeller and people like that. And therefore, what's
actually happening if you see how it works is: The cult is
going to the cult to ask permission to play out a cult
agenda. This is how it works.
And unfortunately, the
alternative media, the mainstream part of it, has regressed
to no longer understand this as it did before. And thus,
it's leading the population by a different path maybe, but
it's leading them inexorably to the same edge of the same
cliff. Because this is an important point. You brought it up
near the start. Musk is saying that AI could be the end of
humanity.
At the same time that he's bringing out more and more AI to
do exactly that. Now, there was a time, I remember it, I
still do it, where the alternative media was calling him
out.
They were saying:
"Well, hold on, Mr. Musk. You are a
front man for bringing out all this AI. You are putting up
low orbit satellites by the week now, tens of thousands of
them, they have permission for, but are firing 4G, 5G, etc.
at the Earth, creating this electromagnetic cloud to which
humans are supposed to be connected. And it's causing a lot
of damage for reasons I go into in the books, a damage of
people.
And you've got this Neuralink operation where you want to
connect humans to AI, when you say that AI could be the end
of humanity."
And what he's saying, of course, is:
"Well,
yeah, AI could be the end of humanity. So what we have to do
is connect to AI so that we save humanity."
It's nonsense!
That's what the alternative media was saying. Right. That
you are driving the transhumanist agenda. What happened
then? He bought Twitter and turned it into X. And suddenly,
all that exposure of Musk disappeared because he was letting
a lot of people say things up to a point.
You go too far, you hit the shadow banning big time. And I
know what that's like. Where, you know, you may have 640,
000 followers of your page, but most of them don't see your
posts. You know, that's how it works.
And so you, you
suddenly, because he's now become this free speech god,
they've stopped calling him out on all these agendas,
fundamental cult agendas, AI agendas and satellite agendas
that he was called out previously.
And this is the other
thing about Musk. You know, I'll tell you what, you know
when Elon Musk is lying because his lips are moving, right?
What he does, this is how it works. He'll pick a fight with
like a country like Brazil or he'll pick a fight with
Australia or something, the Australian government.
"Oh, I'm
defending free speech, I'm not having this."
In the
background, and this is from Twitter data, X data, X Twitter
under Musk has taken down more content on government say - sos than the Twitter before he bought it.
Interviewer: Really?
David Icke: In the six months to March of this year, Musk
took down 40, 000 pieces of content globally on the say -so
of the European Union. But what he does, he picks public
fights and it hides what he's doing as a matter of course in
the background.
And, you know, what we're looking at is
again, a perceptual hijack whereby because he talks a good
story and, you know, people can say this, that, and the
other on Twitter, the whole agenda that he's pushing
suddenly gets a free pass.
And then suddenly, and we're
seeing it now in the last few days, he said:
"I will never
basically back anyone politically because X has to stay
neutral to be credible."
He's now pouring money into Trump
and supporting Trump.
These people like Anderson and Thiel,
and what have you, who are all in that same gang are now
moving to Trump and Sacks and all these other people. Major
Silicon Valley billionaires. And they're the ones that are
funding the mainstream alternative media that suddenly is
not being alternative at all. And this is no accident.
And
so, you know, I'm 72 now and I've got no need to do this
except I don't want to see the world for those that will be
here when I go that these people want to leave them with and
give them.
And no matter what abuse I get from the mainstream
alternative media and their followers, I will go on calling
them out because it's so important that we realize that
beyond the political …
[Applause]
Interviewer: Oh, thank you!
Beyond the political barricade, that's where the answers lie
and that's why they don't want us to go there.
Interviewer: Right. Wow. Thank you, David, for connecting
all these dots for us. That was amazing.
David Icke: Yeah. And that was scratching the surface.
Interviewer: Thank you so much.
David Icke: This book is coming out on September the 1st:
"
The Reveal." And it's also going to be an audio book.
I'm
just recording it now and an e -book, of course. But that
goes so far deep in the rabbit hole. I mean, you know, it's... If people realize what lies beyond the political arena
in terms of the vastness, not just of the conspiracy, but
the vastness of who we actually are, they'd never believe it
from their perspective that they're just little me human.
They're not little me human.
There's no little me human
except the perception of little me human. We are all that
is, has been, and ever can be having a brief experience
called a human. And when we realize that, then no cult is
going to control us. That's what they don't want us to know.
Interviewer: Well said. Thanks, David. And here's your
applause.
David Icke: Cheers, mate!
Interviewer: Thanks for coming on to AZK!
David Icke: Thank you! Thank you very much. Thank you
