Dr. Armando
Manocchia:
Beginning with the Second Vatican Council
(1962-1965), Masonic infiltrations within the Catholic Church
have become increasingly substantial. Progressivism and
relativism have been employed as weapons to undermine fidelity
to Tradition.
Did Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was
excommunicated by John Paul II in 1988, therefore sense that
Catholicism was on the brink of the abyss?
Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò:
Certainly.
Archbishop
Lefebvre was one of the few, very few prelates who wanted to
denounce the conciliar revolution, understanding its subversive
nature.
And I say "who wanted" because many other prelates
understood that a real revolution was underway. Some saw it as a
danger; others saw it as a "springtime of the Church."
But among
those who saw the danger, almost no one knew how to denounce it
openly.
Today we understand the historical merit of Archbishop
Lefebvre in having rebelled against the line dictated by the conciliar politburo and having created the premises for a return
of the Church to the doctrine and Holy Mass of all time.
Dr. Manocchia:
Could the St. Gallen Mafia be considered
as a sort of ecclesiastical World Economic Forum?
Archbishop Viganò:
If we identify the
World Economic Forum as a
private lobby that has placed its followers in the most
important posts of national and international public
institutions in order to impose the globalist agenda against the
will of the citizens, it is certainly fitting to see a parallel
with the St. Gallen Mafia.
In a similar way, this cabal of
conspirators also placed its agents in the Roman Curia and in
the peripheral organs of the Church, just as it imposed the conciliar agenda against the will of the faithful.
But just as
there is not only the World Economic Forum in the public sphere,
so there is not only the
St. Gallen Mafia in the ecclesiastical
sphere.
We are facing a global coup that involves both civil society and
the Church.
Both are infiltrated and controlled by characters
who use their power and the authority that derives from it, not
for the purposes of the institutions they govern, but in order
to destroy them.
This crisis of authority must be denounced
because the action of those who have reached the highest levels
of leadership both of nations and of the Church is a subversive
and criminal act.
Dr. Manocchia:
In his book Non è Francesco [He Is Not Francis],
Antonio Socci argues that, from the point of view of canon law,
the election of Francis to the papal throne did not take place
in a regular manner and that the 2013 Conclave is illegitimate.
What is your opinion on this?
Archbishop Viganò:
The reconstructions of Antonio Socci follow
the things that were let slip by Elisabetta Piqué, who is very
close to
Bergoglio, and Austin Ivereigh:
they seem plausible,
even if they are not supported by unequivocal evidence.
But at
the same time, they have never been denied by the Holy See, and
this has meant that speculations about the resignation of
Benedict XVI and the maneuvers of the St. Gallen Mafia at the
Conclave have multiplied, creating dismay, confusion, and
division among the faithful.
If we think of
the Vatican's interventions on countless issues,
its silence on such an important issue is disconcerting. Even
greater is the bewilderment at the silence of the Cardinals who
participated in that Conclave.
Some appeal to the pontifical
secret, but in the face of a possible violation of the norms
provided for by the Apostolic Constitution [Universi Dominici
Gregis], which would render the election of the Pontiff invalid,
there is no justification for this prolonged silence.
I know from a reliable source that when Cardinal Giovanni
Battista Re - who as Vice Dean of the College of Cardinals
presided over the 2013 Conclave - was questioned privately and
asked which paragraph of the Apostolic Constitution Universi
Dominici Gregis was the basis for the conclave proceeding to a
third scrutiny on the evening of the election, he refused to
answer, asserting in an emphatic and angry way that everything
had taken place regularly.
Sooner or later, the truth will emerge and the very serious
damage done to the Church will have to be denounced and
repaired.
Dr. Manocchia:
The [institutional] Catholic Church, which has
for some time now been committed to ecumenism, and in line with
the logic of approval advocated by the globalist oligarchies,
seems today to aim at the creation of a single religion, a
syncretism that mixes monotheistic doctrines and pagan beliefs,
such as the
Andean cult of the Pachamama.
Is this an act of
homicide or is it rather a suicidal gesture?
Archbishop Viganò:
Both.
On the one hand, the corrupt part of
the Hierarchy - which for the sake of brevity I call the deep
church - since it is subservient to Satan, hates the Church as
the Mystical Body of Christ and intends to kill Her, just as
happened to the Church's Head.
But we know that just as Christ
is risen, so His Mystical Body will also be resurrected after
Her Passion. So yes: those who serve the devil carry out a
murderous operation, however crazy and doomed to failure.
On the other hand, the healthy portion of the hierarchy is
mostly composed of bishops and clerics who nevertheless accept
the ideological premises of the present apostasy, since they
accept the Council and the new liturgy that conveys its errors
to the masses.
They do not want the Church to succumb, but they
are deluding themselves, against all the evidence and after
sixty years of failure, by thinking that the Council has merely
been misinterpreted, that the new Mass is celebrated badly but
that we can return to a certain dignity in the liturgy, that
ecumenism is good as long as it is only with the [Eastern]
Orthodox but not with idolaters.
But if they are not convinced that the crisis began with
Vatican
II, if they do not understand that it was the Council that
caused this disaster and that to remedy it, it is necessary to
return to the faith, morals, and liturgy that existed before the
Council, they are unwittingly part of the problem.
They,
although with the best intentions, represent that part of the
moderates who, in the face of an attack on all fronts, if they
do not fight, constitute an obstacle to the solution of the
crisis.
Their support for the Council and the secularized
mentality of the deep church make their gesture certainly
suicidal.
Dr. Manocchia:
Bergoglio has policed the most traditionalist
orders:
the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the Little Sisters of
Mary Mother of the Redeemer.
Is he perhaps allergic to authentic
vocations or are the goods of these congregations tempting to
someone?
Archbishop Viganò:
At a time when the Church is suffering the
drastic reduction in the offerings and donations made by the
faithful due to the economic crisis caused by
the psycho'pandemic',
the closure of churches, and the disgust of many Catholics for
the work of Bergoglio and the bishops, it is evident that
gathering a little money and real estate is a convenient way to
pad the disastrous Vatican coffers.
But the real reason, the one that motivates every action of the
Bergoglian Church, is the relentless hatred for Tradition, of
which the contemplative and conservative orders are an eloquent
manifestation.
Imagine the anger of these modernists who
- at
the same time that the most progressive communities are dying
out and religious orders are disappearing in the crisis of
vocations, and the loss of many who have abandoned religious
life - witness monasteries and institutes flourish again in
which there is discipline, fidelity to the rule of the founder,
true poverty, penance, the spirit of recollection and the
Tridentine Liturgy.
All this makes their [the Bergoglian's]
failure evident and therefore it must be eliminated, so that it
may not be seen that Tradition has a much greater following (and
would have enormously more, if it were not systematically
boycotted) than the post-conciliar religion with its priests
without cassocks, its nuns without veils, it's religious who do
not pray, and its empty churches.
In Bergoglio's mind, the only vocations that deserve his
approval are those that are modernist, inclusive, aimed at the
existential peripheries, and composed of doctrinal nothingness,
moral emptiness, and trite humanitarian slogans.
As soon as a
vocation shows even vague signs of being genuinely Catholic and
animated by the desire to give glory to God and save souls, it
is attacked as being an expression of clericalism, intolerance,
fundamentalism, rigidity... with all the Bergoglian repertoire of
more or less offensive words that is one of the techniques used
to criminalize the adversary, a method already successfully
tested ever since the Council.
Dr. Manocchia:
Pope
Francis has praised multiculturalism, ecologism, and immigration, received
Soros and
Bill Gates at the
Vatican and played the role of the promoter of experimental gene
serums.
Could one hypothesize that there is a correlation
between his work and his formation as a Jesuit?
Archbishop Viganò:
If we were to limit ourselves to
"hypothesizing" this correlation, we would show at least naivety
and carelessness.
The
Society of Jesus, which was among the most
important Orders in the Church, has been targeted by the action
of the devil, who has corrupted its charism and has
progressively diverted it well before Vatican II, and it is
today the assaulted body, so to speak, with which the deep
church demolishes what remains of the Catholic Church so as to
replace it with an amorphous NGO that can act as a "container"
of the Religion of Humanity desired by
the Freemasons and the
New World Order, consistent with the ideological foundations
laid down by the Council.
Like every Jesuit, Bergoglio is first a Jesuit and then a
Catholic.
For this reason, it is still forbidden for the Jesuits
to ascend the ranks of the Hierarchy, which is why the
Argentines had to ask the Pope for a dispensation to be
consecrated Archbishop of Buenos Aires.
If that dispensation had
not been granted and instead the Rule of St. Ignatius had been
respected, we would have been spared the disasters we have seen
since 2013.
It is evident that the Jesuits have played a
prominent role not only in carrying out the conciliar revolution
but also in maneuvering to bring one of their own to the Throne
of Peter.
Dr. Manocchia:
In 2009, as Secretary of the Governorate, you
restored the Vatican's budget in a formidable way. In fact, it
went from a deficit of 8 million euros to a surplus of over 34
million euros.
In pursuing this line of transparency and
fighting corruption, you apparently stepped on some toes. After
that, coincidentally, they appointed you Apostolic Nuncio to the
United States.
Was it a case of, as the Latins used to say,
"Promoveatur ut amoveatur" [Promote in order to remove]?
Archbishop Viganò:
My appointment as Apostolic Nuncio to the
United States was decided by the then all-powerful Secretary of
State Cardinal Bertone.
At the time I had been Secretary-General
of the Governorate since July 2009 and before that, I had held
the position of Delegate for the Pontifical Representations in
the Secretariat of State.
My tasks included preparing and
examining the processes for promotion to the episcopate in the
Roman Curia and in the Pontifical Representations.
In this role, I had opposed the appointment of unworthy or
homosexual prelates, and I had proposed, among other things, to
remove McCarrick's cardinal's hat.
This role of mine made me
unpopular with my superiors and in particular with Bertone, who
persuaded me to accept the transfer from the Secretariat of
State to the Governorate, as Secretary-General, with the promise
of than promoting me to President in place of Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo when he retired.
My work to fight against corruption and
heal the disastrous finances of the Governorate was opposed by
some, and beginning in 2010 there was a real "mobbing"
[workplace bullying] against me, with the publication of slander
and defamatory articles.
The scandalous accusations, which
originated in the Sacred Palaces, gave Bertone a pretext to
remove me from that office. I, therefore, felt compelled to
inform the Holy Father, so that he would know what was really
happening.
Pope Benedict summoned me immediately, and before I could even
mention the events with Bertone, he proposed to appoint me
President of the Pontifical Council for Economic Affairs of the
Holy See, in place of Cardinal Velasio de Paolis.
And he did so
with these precise words:
"I am convinced
that this is the task with which you can render the best
service to the Holy See."
It is not difficult to imagine what may have been the pressures,
misinformation, and slander against me that were presented to
Pope Benedict, which prompted him to change his mind and appoint
me Nuncio to the United States, an appointment that I accepted
in a spirit of obedience, but not without suffering, well aware
that it was a coup of the Curia that intended to nullify all the
work of healing that I had carried out in the Governorate.
The
Holy Father wrote to me:
"I find myself confirmed in the
conviction that your providential position at this time is the Nunciature
in the United States of America.
On the other
hand, I am sure that your knowledge of this great country
will help you to take up the demanding challenge of this
work, which in many ways appears to be decisive for the
future of the universal Church."
My official assignment in that immense and beloved nation has
come to an end, but that challenge - to which Pope Benedict
almost prophetically referred and in which he had involved me - is more open than ever.
Dr. Manocchia:
Have your lucid, fiery, and courageous
interventions against the New World Order brought you unpleasant
consequences, threats, and media attacks?
Archbishop Viganò:
Already after my revelations about the
scandals of then-Cardinal McCarrick, I had to take care of my
safety.
My statements about the
'pandemic' farce, which I remember
began in May 2020, at the time earned me insults and verbal lynchings, accusations of undue interference, or that I was
promoting conspiracy theories.
There have also been those who
have said that it was not I who wrote my statements; it was even
insinuated that I was suffering from psychosis and "delirium of
interpretation," or even possessed by the devil.
Not to mention
the accusations
following my pronouncement on the
Russian-Ukrainian crisis, a few days ago…
I have been amazed that these often over-the-top attacks also
come in part from circles of Catholic conservatism and the
so-called political right. In many cases, those whom I would
have considered allies - in opposing first the 'pandemic' farce
and then the war provocation - have shown that they side with
the adversary, to the point of recognizing the effectiveness and
moral lawfulness of the so-called vaccines or presenting Zelenskyy as an innocent victim of Putin's expansionist aims.
The reality is quite different, and denying it or concealing it
to support one's own theses or to obey one's masters will serve
no purpose other than to make the condemnation of the guilty and
their accomplices even more just and motivated.
In any case, I thank God and Our Lady that I am in good health,
and for the protection they have granted me so far.
Dr. Manocchia:
The Draghi government has taken advantage of the
Ukrainian issue to extend the emergency until December 31, 2022.
What are your predictions about the political, economic, and
social future of Italy?
Archbishop Viganò:
I do not know if the emergency of the Civil
Protection can be considered an extension of the 'pandemic'
emergency, which moreover has been declared illegitimate and
unconstitutional by a recent sentence of the court of Pisa.
What
is very clear, if there were ever any doubts, is that Draghi
responds to supranational powers like many other exponents of
his government and of the highest Italian institutions, with the
support of almost all of Parliament.
As a member of these
lobbies, he is tasked with implementing the globalist agenda
even if it runs counter to national interests and the good of
citizens.
Indeed, the agenda consists precisely in the
destruction of the social, economic, religious, and cultural
fabric of Italy, to implement that Great Reset, whose creator
and promoter
Klaus Schwab recently met with Draghi.
I dare not make predictions, because the situation is extremely
uncertain and full of unknowns.
In the plans of the New World
Order,
Italy should succumb, be invaded by millions of
immigrants, lose its Catholic identity, erase its traditions,
and be sold off to foreign multinationals.
They want us to be
slaves with a universal income after having expropriated
everything, with services and public goods privatized,
authorized only to travel in ways that they decide are allowed,
controlled in our every action, and monitored by the perpetual
green pass, which they will call a digital ID or some another
tempting euphemism.
This is what they would like to do.
But they do not take into account that they are subservient to
the eternal Loser and that Divine providence could decide to
spare our homeland from destruction, if only the Italian people
will understand that the present evils are the consequence of
our sins, of the public sins of the nation, of all nations; a
punishment for having denied our faith, the soul of our Italy,
for having wrested from Christ His Crown as universal King, and
therefore also true King of our nation.
The Lord will help us with His Grace, but He asks us to do our
part.
If we fight with Christ, with Christ we will celebrate
victory. If we continue not to take sides or worse we side with
Satan, with Satan we will have fallen into the abyss.
Dr. Manocchia:
Would you be willing to found a sort of new Holy
Alliance among all the dissident European forces, to join
together in opposing the diabolical techno-health
totalitarianism that oppresses us?
Archbishop Viganò:
Recently I initiated an appeal for the
creation of an Anti-Globalist Alliance, which can coordinate the
opposition of the good forces of the different nations against
the coup of the elite.
But this Alliance must be an initiative
of the laity, just as laypeople must give, both as Christians
and as citizens, a public witness to their Faith and engage in
politics.
Let us not forget that when the Lord admonished us
"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's" (Mt
22:21), He exhorted us not only to pay taxes but also to fulfill
our duty towards our homeland, especially when it is endangered
by those who have as their final goal the destruction of
traditional Christian society through an unquenchable hatred
against Jesus Christ.
But while the enemy explained to us in detail what he wanted to
do in order to "reset" the world, starting with the decimation
of the world population through contraception, abortion and
homosexuality, epidemics, and vaccines, on the other hand, the "good guys" seemed intimidated by
"progress" and were ashamed to
oppose these criminal projects with an uncompromising social and
political proposal.
While the conspirators trained their future leaders at the Davos
Forum and put them at the top of nations and international
institutions - indeed, practically all those in power today,
from Macron to Trudeau, from Merkel to Zelensky
- what did those
who cared about the sovereignty of the state, the protection of
life and the traditional family, and the defense of religion and
morals do?
They did nothing.
No training, no investment in the future
ruling classes, and no academic formation of Catholic leaders
according to non-negotiable principles.
Indeed, on closer
inspection the betrayal of the clergy in this field has been
revealing, because alongside the work of the deep state in the
civil field and indeed almost in order to create its ideological
and social basis, the deep church has sold itself to the demands
of the Left.
It has preferred ecumenical dialogue to preach and
conversion of souls; it accepted the revolutionary principles of
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and it was the first
to wrest Christ's Royal Crown from Him, becoming the apostle of
the secularity of the State.
Today, with Bergoglio, the betrayal has been consummated in an
apostasy, with support for globalist ideology, migrationism,
neo-Malthusianism, the New World Order, and the Religion of
Humanity.
The deep church has even been complicit in the
'pandemic' fraud and mass vaccination, despite the presence of
abortive cell lines in serums and the irreversible weakening of
the immune system it causes; today it hypocritically stands at
the side of the system, supporting Schwab's puppet Zelensky in
Ukraine against President
Putin, who is the only head of state
who opposes
globalization and the criminal principles that
inspire it.
To return to Italy, in my opinion, we need two things, to try to
get out of this crisis.
The first, and most important, is the
formation of ruling classes and true political leaders who want
to commit themselves to good governance, applying the Gospel in
the social realm.
This obviously presupposes that there are
Catholics willing to return to the integrity of faith and
morals, without compromise and with the boldness of courageous
witness.
The second is the formation of a coalition that unites the
parties and movements that share the program of the
Anti-Globalist Alliance, also rediscovering the sovereignist,
federalist, and moderately liberal vocation that the
center-right parties have denied in recent years.
In short, to
combine previous experience (noting the mistakes made so as not
to repeat them) with the new movements that are being born.
I
think that this idea could also be replicated in other nations,
which would thus be able to present a common front against the
globalist Leviathan.
