Spokane, Washington
April 2008

from ProjectCamelot Website



George Green's career extends from military service in the USAF (where he encountered alien disk craft in a remote hangar at Edwards AFB), through "playing monopoly" in corporate banking and large-scale construction, to working closely with the Pleiadians and other benevolent intelligences to "wake people up" in preparation for coming changes.


Very few people we have talked to have a span of personal experience - and contacts - which is this broad.

As George describes, he "used to run around with the big boys". He was asked to build an enemy prisoner-of-war camp in downtown Las Vegas - he refused - and was asked to be Finance Chairman for the Carter campaign, but declined after it became clear to him that the ethics of many of the senior players were heavily compromised. Shortly after he turned down the offer, his loans were called in and he lost many millions of dollars as finance was removed from dozens of major construction projects.


Undeterred, George rebuilt his world and is in direct contact with Pleiadian intelligences and other beings. He has devoted his life to spreading the word that all is not as it seems.


His very important free e-book, "Handbook for the New Paradigm", has been read by millions all over the world. George is a delight to listen to: relaxed, friendly and humorous.


He has an extremely serious message: there is very little time left in which to prepare.


Telling us that his "sources" are informing him that too few people are "waking up" and that it is almost too late, his own bags are packed and he is about to relocate to Ecuador where he says that many "insiders" have bought real estate and have already left the United States.

When asked when we might expect major changes to occur, his response is to look at his watch.

"The moment we launch a strike against Iran is the moment no longer to be in the US," George says. "Pretty soon we'll be waking up one Monday morning to find that the world is no longer the same."


Project Camelot interviews George Green

Part 1



George Green: ...he said,

"I don't know how to tell you this, they just don't like you any more and I've been instructed to... that you're no longer creditworthy."
I said, "What do you mean, CREDITWORTHY? Only last week you gave me a million bucks on my signature."
"I got to call all your loans," he says. "We've been friends long enough," and he says, "I can help you some."
I say, "What does that mean?"
He says, "It's like what they're doing right now. You got thirty days."

All this money that the government is putting out is on thirty days.

KC: Right, all the loans...

GG: Exactly. Well, that's just to get themselves organized so they can pull things under. So, I have thirty days to come up with all these jillions of dollars.

KC: But, but were you shocked?

GG: Of course.

KC: Oh, okay, I was just wondering!

GG: I was totally blown away. But I also says, I know how to play your game. So, I tried to call some favors on some of my other banks that I helped, and they had their hands tied. I said, "Ahhh." So what I did then was immediately start unloading everything that I could, and I lost millions. I just went away... color it gone.

KC: Incredible.

GG: And then I said, Ah, the heck with it. So, Desiree and I, we moved to Boulder, Colorado, and I said, I'll just kind of kick back.
But then I sat in on a meeting with the Governor of Colorado, and heís discussing the underground facilities in Australia, and he got his ticket.
I said, "What ticket?"

[Pause] ...He's one of the chosen ones.

KC: Oh, wow.

Bill Ryan: George, I have to ask you, though, if there are a bunch of people who have tickets for these underground facilities in Australia and elsewhere... what's the need to go underground at that point? Is it due to war, or to do with...

KC: Nuclear fallout?

GG: Yeah. Nuclear fallout.

Start of interview

Kerry Cassidy: Hi, I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot. And we're very happy to be here today with George Green. Weíre going to be asking him all sorts of questions he's never been asked before - try to get to the root of why he knows what he knows, why he's actually really on the cutting edge in many ways, and find out some secrets that he hasn't already told. So, welcome.

George Green: Thank you.

KC: Okay. So, George, let's go back to when you first broke into this. And I know you've told that story before, how you were kind of called up and the thing with... which Kennedy was it?

GG: You mean Ted Kennedy?

KC: Yes, and that whole incident, because that seemed to be - now you can correct me if I'm wrong - but that seemed to be like the eye-opening incident in which he sort of looked across the room and saw your daughter, and didn't know it was your daughter, and made a comment and what was going on then, and you were asked...

GG: Well, I'll give you the whole story. I was - prior to this meeting up there - I was volunteering to act as a president of companies. And I would go in and my job was to liquidate them. I was to get rid of the expendable containers: thatís the people.

And we'd raid all the assets, and we'd split them when we got through doing all of that. But I did it as a game. I just figured if you weren't smart enough to get up where, quote - "we were" - you deserve what you get.

Anyway, as I was running around the country, I got introduced to a lot of the powerful people, if you want to call it that. And anyway, one weekend I was invited up to Aspen. I was going to Aspen all the time anyway. I built the dormitory for Colorado Mountain College, which was close, up in Leadville. I built a house in Aspen. Estee Lauder actually built a house next to the house that I built up there.

And anyway, I come into the meeting, into this room, and - I brought my two daughters up so they could go skiing - and I said,

"What am I here for?"

They said, "We have decided we want you to be the Finance Chairman for the next President of the United States."
I said, "I just started this hundred million dollar project."

I mean, last week I was with Bill Levitt, you know, at the Beverly Hills Hotel, sitting around a swimming pool, discussing building cities. Bill Levitt built Levittown, Pennsylvania, and Levittown, New York, just so you know.

KC: Right, absolutely.

GG: Anyway, I said,

"Well, I got the next question: why me?"
And they said, "Well, number one, you're pretty good with money, and we owe you a favor."
And I says, "Well, the next question I have is, who's going to be the next President?"
And they said, "Jimmy Carter".
And I says, "Jimmy who?"
And they said, "Well, he's the Democratic Governor of Georgia."
And I said, "But I've been voting Republican."
This tall guy, Paul Boeker, walks over and said, "Son, don't worry about it, we control them both."

KC: [laughs]. So is this your introduction to the Illuminati? Or did you have a clue before that?

GG: No, I was... I was running with them. I was running around with the guys, but I didn't have the... each one of them, they compartmentalize all the information that you get.

KC: Okay.

GG: You know, you can go... when you're with the people that are making the plays, they have certain ego things that they want to satisfy. Kissinger said that the absolute aphrodisiac is power. So we put anybody they want to in power. And then just feed them whatever they wanted to. I mean, I joked about it. I mean, I can wear my jeans and go down and borrow a million bucks on my signature...

KC: Uh huh.

GG: ...no questions asked. Anyway, this meeting changed all this stuff because, like you said.

I said, "Well, I got the next question I have is, What does the Finance Chairman do?"
And they said, "Well, you sit with Ted."

So, I sat down with Ted Kennedy, and Ted was right next to me.

And he said, "George, you're going to love this job. We're going to send you out to all the state Democratic functions. You're really good with money, and you raise money for the National Democratic Party.Ē

And he said, "Then you're going to meet some real foxy ladies."

Well, they all think that way, frankly. It isn't just Ted, they all do. So I... and just coincidentally, my daughter walks in. Now, my daughter is a very attractive young lady.

Ted goes, "Wow, I have to go to bed with that."
And I said, "No, Ted. That's my daughter, and she's fourteen."
His response back to me: "I don't care."

That's when everything kind of stopped to me. I mean, I go, wait a minute. I gave him the guidelines. I mean, I know how he thought. But when he said he didn't care what I thought about it, then I just said, that's enough.

I got up, didn't say another word to Ted. I walked across the room. I'm talking to Pierre Trudeau and his wife. Pierre at that time was the Prime Minister of Canada. And I'm talking to him just to get my head leveled.

I mean I just looked at that character over there across the room - and I'll share with some of the other people who were there. Iím looking in front of Pierre and there was a little half cigar box full of white powder.

I grabbed the housekeeper, and I went into the back room, and I'm looking at the dresser, and on top of this dresser was this... is all these glass tubes. Now I went to the Colorado School of Mines. I majored in geophysics, and chemistry was just kind of a fun game, right? And I never looked at them. I couldn't believe what they were doing.


I said,

"What is this thing?Ē

And they said, "Itís freebasing equipment."

They're just using all this stuff.


KC: Crazy.

GG: I said duh... to myself. So I walked... this was - the meeting was on a Friday afternoon. And I said to the people who invited me up there, I says,

"Look, this is a big decision in my life. I mean, I don't want to stop my hundred million dollar project even though you'll warehouse it.Ē That's what they told me.


"Let me think about it and Iíll let you know on Monday."

Monday, after consideration of everything else, and, some of the guys were talking about what they had planned, which is the Global 2000 agenda, the Plan 2000, which Jimmy Carter put in writing. Every Congressman got a copy of it. As Kissinger says: the number one problem we have on planet Earth right now - there's too many people.

Well, if you look at that, you would probably agree - so does everybody else. 40% of the worldís population is existing on less than two dollars a day. If I drop it down to a dollar, we still got a billion and a half people. And you have no idea what a billion people are, until you go to China and walk among them.

And there's a billion three hundred million over there. But you have to experience that. I mean, I spent a month in China. Now, here's the problem. When you're - and Bucky Fuller and I spent an afternoon discussing, remember his big geodesic domes and all that?

KC: Uh huh.

GG: I told him that they're not practical. Because when you're building, the biggest problem with building is your seams. How many seams do you have, for instance, in a geodesic? They're all over. That's the reason you go to the monolithic. I have a picture, I'll show you, the monolithic stuff that you should have.

BR: Which is just like... an entire half hemisphere. Not a half hemisphere, it's an entire hemisphere, isn't it?

GG: Well, you blow up a balloon, and... I have a picture. Do you want me to grab the picture real quick? I'll just show it.

BR: Sure.

GG: That dwelling is like a big balloon and what you do is - we'll blow the concrete up on the inside along with four inches of foam for insulation.

KC: Hm.

GG: [Shows photographs of domes.] Now you have something that - the structure will be able to withstand 340 mph winds that are coming... that will be coming to us. This structure here, you can heat it with about ten hundred-watt light bulbs. So, you don't have any energy use.

The biggest problem with these units, at this minute, is that since the air is basically stagnated, you have to have circulating of the air and then the humidity's always at least 50%. So you have to address that, but we have a lot ways to cure all that problem. Meanwhile, it doesn't take anything to heat them. They'll withstand anything. The only thing that concerns me is that a lot of stuff, nothing's going to withstand the winds that are going to be coming down to us very shortly.

KC: Well, have you heard of earthships?

GG: Yeah.

KC: Have you been in one?

GG: Yeah.

KC: Yeah? And what do you think?

GG: Well, here's ... well, as a builder. When you build all these things that are coming down, you can have these ships. Will they withstand a tree going through the air at three hundred miles an hour?

KC: Right.

GG: And hitting it. See, that's what you have to have to look at, and it isn't just necessarily that, look at the Indians in the Southwest, in Four Corners. They build them up against the cliffs and they build them inside.

KC: But, I'm going to come back to that because I want to go back to our story that you started with.

GG: Okay.

KC: And just talk about, kind of like, what kind of - I donít know - mental, emotional roller coaster did you go on, in order to get to the place where you are now? Because, you seem to be pretty... pretty calm, pretty content, and pretty solid with what's happened to you. And I understand that you're having communications with the Pleiadians, too. Or you have had.

GG: Well, remember that's... yeah, I have had. But we're gone past that. It's only one... that's only one level within this complex of information.

KC: So you're, are you meaning, you're talking to other beings, or...

GG: Well, let's put it this way. In John, in The Bible, whichever one most people use, John 1 says, "In the beginning there was the Word." Remember that?

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Well, that was not even correct. In the beginning was thought. Aren't words thought out loud? You pray, you put out thought.

KC: Sure.

GG: Meditate, you're hoping to receive thought.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: So we'll have to give an understanding if you continue that thing. Then really what is thought but God as you would know it.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Okay, or the Creation's thinking. Now the creation make manifest, as they say, or God may manifest in different dimensions, at many times, right?

KC: Mm hm.

GG: So we manifest at this dimension, this illusion, which you and I consider this hologram, right?

KC: Right.

GG: Which consists of the soul plus the vibration of light. And the vibration of light is the frequency that you consider, looking at you as a solid object. Now, what's holding that solid object together? Do you know? It's your soul.

KC: Right.

GG: It's wholly within. It weighs 22 grams. They always tell you it's within. It's based on the hydrogen. The universe is very logical, so you have to see how it's all put together. Now, Kerry, using you as an example, if you're nothing more than the hologram of condensed light, how do I affect that condensed light? Well, we can affect that by the lights, right? If I put you - well, we don't have any in this room - but if I put you under fluorescent fixtures, it will cause this physical being to be very weak.

KC: Right.

GG: I can also affect it by thought.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: We can make you weak. You've seen, probably seen my demonstrations on how I make you weak... or let me show you. Can I use you as a demonstration?

KC: Yeah, sure.

GG: Okay. What I'm going to do is that.

KC: You're going to do the arm thing?

GG: Yeah, I'm going to do the arm thing, because you're going to hold it out...

KC: Okay.

GG: Weíll use, now what I'm doing is, your arm is the kinesiology bit, basically holding energy. Okay, you hold it up, right? I want you to hold it up. But since you are rays, many of them that go out, and I see what we call the aura around people.

KC: You do?

GG: Oh yeah, well, you will learn how to do that yourself, at some point. What I need to do is - now, put your arm out again.

KC: Actually, I do. Okay...

GG: Okay, we're going down. Okay, what I'm going to do is cut your energy line, which I just did. What happened to your arm? See how weak it got? [Pushes her arm down as she resists.] You can't do it. Now, when a priest comes up to you - hold your arms out, both of them. When a priest comes up to you - this is another mind control game. They come up to you and they go like this - and they split them so guess what? How weak did you get?

KC: [Laughs].

GG: You see? What we are doing is a combination of mind control and body control of this hologram. Now, how did we manipulate it? By light, colors, and action.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: How do we keep it in vibration, or keep it in balance? The whole key is keep everything in balance. Now, when you depart this planet, when you're talking about it, whether it's... if you've seen the Billy Meier videos, or the movies on that, you see him beamed aboard. What we do is condense light back to frequency and you're beamed aboard a craft. It's like going from here to the Pleiades, in a few hours. I didn't bring the documents that I just recently got from them, which told me about the speed on how they can go from here to the Pleiades, which is 500 light years...

KC: Okay, but how did you get those documents?

GG: Well, I did a lecture and somebody asked me a little bit about how fast it takes, and they said that the two craft - the wedding cake and another, which is the latest variation - they were saying how long it took for that craft to go from there to the Pleiades at the constant level of, or the temperature of outer space. And, I got to thinking about that. What is the constant temperature of outer space?

BR: Pretty much absolute zero.

GG: Itís 273 degrees below zero.

BR: Itís absolute zero, yes.

GG: Yeah, but when everythingís there, and at these speeds, the latest variation takes a couple hours. The other ones take four or five hours to make it, but what they do is condense all matter back to light. Itís kind of like what weíre doing here, condensing everything down to a CD.

KC: Okay.

GG: And then we take that CD and then re-manifest it. And thatís what they're doing now, making, theyíre making holograms, when you go to...

KC: Right, absolutely.

GG: You know, if you go to Disney World, for instance. Down there in the Haunted Mansion, you see the hologram, right? You do know how to make a hologram? Well, our scientists have learned how to make people. They call them synthetics. Are you familiar with those?

KC: Well, actually we just interviewed John Lear, and he was talking about being in an audience in which they were given a lecture by a guy that they thought was real - and found out later that he was a hologram.

GG: He was a synthetic. A syntheticís when you touch their skin, it feels like plastic, almost. Thatís the latest technique. The old techniques... you guys rent a video, The Boys from Brazil. Rent it, because, in it, it gives you the exact way how our government has been making people.

KC: Really.

GG: Yeah.

KC: Well, come on..

GG: And the Soviets have a different method called...

KC: ...making people, meaning temporary people?

GG: No. Walking, talking ones.

KC: Meaning through genetics? Youíre not talking about that?

GG: Well, let me tell you. You let me... the movie shows it, but Iíll share it with you right now.

KC: All right.

GG: All I need to do is take two cells off of your body. Yours.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: We give them a small electrical charge. Iím just condensing. Itíll act like a fertilized egg. If I got a fertilized egg, all I need is a receiver in order to make it. So they were hypnotizing women, you know. Said they were being invaded by aliens and the fetus starts growing, right? Needs food.

Well, they can use cows and sheep too. Again, a food source, thatís all we need. After about 14 weeks, all of a sudden, that fetus is gone, because theyíve learned to take... thatís when the fetus starts developing its own blood supply. Then they've used the pituitary hormone extract, that they have, that accelerates the being that grows.

The original technology was given to our government by the Grays. Now the reason was, that our scientists were all excited because we could have spare parts. If you need a heart or a liver or anything, you donít have any rejection because itís your own DNA, right?

KC: Okay, because, theoretically, if we have overpopulation, we donít need more people, right?

GG: The so-called 'elite' are selecting who they want to have around, anyway. So we want to keep people going as long as we can. Iíve talked to the doctor that was working on the regeneration of Castro, for instance.

KC: Right.

GG: On the DNA sequencing, and theyíre just learning about this.

KC: Well, my understanding is that a lot of presidents have already been replaced.

GG: Thatís right.

KC: Theyíre walking around - they look old, but basically some of the people are second, third copies...

GG: Iíll give you something to ponder. Get some old videos of George Bush, when he first came into office. Look at the person and listen to him speak. Look at his actions, and listen to his... everything thatís there. Now, itís a lot easier to put somebody out in front to act as a - you know, even Bush did. He had somebody else that was up there acting like he is and looking like it.

Even Hitler had a... you know, he had his stand-in. In fact, his stand-in was the one that they found in the ground over in Germany. I mean Hitler and Eva and the dog, and 14 other people got aboard a plane and flew down to Barcelona, Spain. You were aware of that. And then ended up in Antarctica, or in Schwabenland, and then died a few years ago in Brazil.

KC: Thatís what we heard.

GG: I have all the documents from our own government.

KC: Oh you do, okay.

GG: Yeah.

KC: Yeah, we have a contact. One of our contacts...

GG: Stalin, even. Stalin asked, you know, they tried to burn the body, and he got the body back and said, wait a minute, he had different ears, and the testicles were different, everything else. So they knew it wasnít Hitler.

KC: But is it a clone, or not?

GG: Now you need to know a bit about cloning. Cloning techniques... since '38 weíve been, 1938, theyíve been making cloned people. Thereís eight countries making clones. I have a doctor friend and all he does is treat the clones.

KC: Where do you get your information?

GG: I get it from some of the people that are willing to come forth. And they talk to me because they hope Iíll put the information out, because they always got two people following them and they may be killed by start talking about cloning too much.

The people that get involved into that disappear on it, so I donít go into too many more details. But there is information thatís available. More and more of that is coming online. I just told you, go rent the movie.

KC: The Boys from Brazil?

GG: Yeah, and youíll see the whole technique on what they... they show it to you in different places, so you can imagine what is going on.

KC: Okay, so...

GG: Now, letís go to the next step because this is the most important part.

KC: Alright.

GG: If your physical reality that you have, based on this physical life that you have, this dream, is made up of the experiences that is impregnated on your body and in your mind, consciously, right?

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Your soul memory is another thing.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: It goes back whatever time that you elected to be in this incarnation for whatever reason. So letís show you the division on these things. Since the bodyís very physical, and we just got you making a physical being in a few months for spare part, they said, ďNow we got the perfect deal, how can we have that work better?Ē

Well, if you go to the hospital today and get an encephalogram, whatís that? Thatís the memory of your conscious mind. Itís on the CD, letís download it on this being. Now we got a walking-talking duplicate that has the total memory that you have, because we just took it off of your own mind.

KC: Okay, itís like Blade Runner, the android.

GG: Exactly. The only thing is that itís like this DVD recorder. Sometime you have glitches in it, so you have to have them tuned up occasionally or re-done. And so we take them to Camp David, or thereís a wing at Bethesda Hospital. Iíll just tell you. If you go down there and check, youíll find the nurses - if theyíre willing to come forth, theyíll tell you they work on those people and they call them The Others. I thought it was interesting.

KC: [laughs]

GG: Theyíre people. Remember? These people can think and act, but they donít have a soul. Thatís also prophesied.

KC: Right, thatís true.

GG: Soulless beings. Now, we have another agenda thatís going on, so you have to be careful of all this. There are many extraterrestrials that would like to be in on the game right now. So they can sometimes, will come into these physical beings that we've made, to manipulate them.

KC: I see.

GG: So now you have a combination effort that you have to look at in discernment. You have to discern what the game is. Well, just figure that most of the leaders that we have in the world had been bought and paid for, or created to think a certain way - in the world.

KC: But I - okay now, to get back to what Iím asking you, is like, so you sort of had this crystallization moment. You were basically thinking like them. You were making money like them. So is that just the beginning of a path that you went on, at that point, or did you have an instantaneous change?

GG: Iím looking back at my experience and when I had all that thing. Thatís when I made a conscious decision when they...

KC: When you refused the job.

GG: Well, the job entailed - it wasnít a question of doing that, it was what they were going to do after that. And after that was to reduce the worldís population down to 500 million.

KC: Right.

GG: I said, wait a minute, I donít want to be part of that.

KC: Okay.

GG: I mean, itís something, wait a minute. You know, I want to know more about that because I... as a kid I was brought up... one of my friends, Dr. Walter Moyer, was one of the team, the doctors that dug up the Dead Sea Scrolls. And he came back and he gave me a lot of the information. He said, theyíll never let it out to the churches. Thereís no such person as Jesus that was... no evidence that anybody ever lived like that.

KC: Mm.

GG: You know. Well, that of course takes care of organized religion, per se, as they look at it. So I said, well, wait a minute, Iím going to look at that story. So I started analyzing, but also on a logical basis. Then, the information that I had received from extraterrestrials about life, per se. And life begins maybe before you came into this planet.

KC: Oh, definitely before that.

GG: That you select... but they say, at the moment of conception. As a coincidental thing from the extraterrestrials, now this all fits together... we didnít talk about it. My first extraterrestrial thing was when I went through the Air Force, and that was in 1958.

Iím stationed at Edwards Air Force Base out in the Mojave Desert, and did the post-flight inspection of the X-15, the forerunner of the space shuttle. When I finished doing that... itís nothing more than a rocket on skids as it lands out in the desert.

There was a couple of hangers that I hadnít been to. So, I just... I was curious. I mean, I was cleared for Top Secret. I just went inside of it and there's - Iím looking just as close as you are - a disk.

You know, a lot bigger than this room. But this is unusual, and Iím sitting here kind of watching. I say, maybe I want to find out more about this. So anyway, I go back in and ask my commander about this, and he... he basically told me it was an ion-powered craft designed by Sikorsky, the helicopter people, for use in outer space.

KC: [Laughs]

GG: You know, I accepted what he said, I was naive.

And I said, ďWell, when can I work on it?Ē

And he says, ďYou canít. Itís still a civilian project.Ē

You know, Edwards is a crossover base. When I was there, there was only 800 airmen and 25,000 civilians. The civilian contracting companies make these vehicles, then the Air Force tests them. Thatís what they do out there. So I had all kinds of weirdo planes that I worked on.

I just - coincidences, if you want to call it that - happened to be running around with my buddy who was the base photographer. And, so I tell him, I says,

ďGet me some pictures of that disk.Ē Cause heís given me everything else.

And he said, ďUh, what did they tell you?Ē

I told him, and he said, ďThatís not true.Ē

And proceeded to show me pictures of the spacecraft. Well, I already saw that - but the two dead aliens got my attention. Cause they were not... they were, you know, humanoid, but more like the Grays that you see in the movies.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Well, that made me a little confused. Hey, rah rah, Iím in the Air Force. I love my country. Iíve got all this stuff. Iím cleared for Top Secret. Why did my commander lie to me? Well, Iím kind of inquisitive, right? So I went down and asked my commander.

First thing, he blew up. He reminded me of my Top Secret clearance. So we joked about it. Because, at that time, the fine was $10,000 if you said anything, and jail time.

I said "Iím not worried..." - because my family had money

I said, "Iím not too worried about the $10,000, but that jail time had me bothered."

So I said, ďI wonít say anything more about it.Ē

His last comment was:

ďWhen the governmentís ready to tell the truth about UFOs and ETs, they will. Until then, you stick to your story.Ē

Then he said, ďOh, by the way, next week is Armed Forces Day.Ē This is one of these other crazy things the Air Force does.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: They open up the base and let everybody come walking in, all the vehicles, everything. I mean, the week before I have to sign in even for me to work on the thing, now they let everybody come out and do it, right?

But these craft were... the disk that I saw was probably four miles away or five miles out farther in the desert. So, anyway, he put me on duty and then I was subsequently transferred off the base. You know other things had happened to me at that point...

KC: I mean, I know something about your interaction. Youíve told the story about meeting Billy Meier and helping him with his...

GG: That happened later, that was 1984.

KC: Okay, so did you have ET contact, though, that you were conscious of between when you met Billy Meier and when you saw the disk?

GG: No, the disk was prior to that.

KC: I know. But in that time line... did you... conscious...

GG: I had, I had... was consciously aware of something, but didnít know what was going on.

KC: Okay.

GG: Itís only when I got to Billy that the real thing showed up.

KC: Okay.

GG: All of a sudden, now the worldís coming to real... itís like when you give the ETs permission to communicate, they will if the need is there. And whether itís physical or nonphysical, I have no idea.

KC: Well, did you give them permission?

GG: Of course.

KC: When you met Billy...

GG: When I met Billy, I gave Billy - itís Billy, the extraterrestrials - I said, Iíll help you out. I mean, the story was unbelievable. Like I say, itís a funny game. Iím sitting here making a contract orally with them and Billy, trying to get things squared away, to put out the story to the world about what the Pleiadians were doing in Billyís story, because it was important.

KC: Right.

GG: You know, I flew back to... you know about that. I flew back to Beverly Hills. My attorneys there were the attorneys for Screen Actors Guild at that time. And at that, I said... Billy had already given away the worldwide rights to his story to a couple down in Phoenix, you know, Wendelleís friends.

KC: Right.

GG: And who I already financed.

KC: Mm hm, yes.

GG: So, you know, the games become a little bit more convoluted at that point. Anyway, I was hoping my attorney would be able to set it up, so we could go ahead with my agreement I gave to the ETs, that I would help disseminate their information. Because they wanted to wake up the people here on the planet. In their story, they say that they basically engineered this planet... was basically engineered for 500 million people.

KC: Okay.

GG: And now you have to remember that they said that. In fact, Semjase, the girl that was in contact with Billy, her big deal, she says, ďI go around to different planets.Ē Itís her job. To see what it takes to engineer them for more life, because there are lots of planets capable of maintaining humans. This happens to be, as they say, the prison planet.

KC: Right.

GG: Only one race, lots of different colors. We all come from different star systems.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: As it turns out, the last time I was over at Billyís, you know, thereís a guy seven meters tall. I didnít see him, but I saw his footprint. I mean Billy, you know, put his shoulders on...

KC: Okay, but they, the Pleiadians... cause we went out to Billy. We tried to get an interview, and we couldnít. This is recent, you know, not that long ago...

GG: Sure.

KC: ... and, heís basically not giving interviews, more or less.

GG: Oh, I know why...

KC: Heís kind of gotten very jaded by the whole thing, you know...

GG: Yes, I know.

KC: So we had a very interesting experience. We took a photograph of me standing next to the Silver Star emblem he has up there...

GG: ...and the camera was blank.

KC: No. The picture was SILVER.

GG: Yes.

KC: Everything before and after is in color...

GG: Yes.

KC: ...but Iím in SILVER.

GG: Now thatís the Pleiadians that were there.

KC: They were playing with me. They were giving a message.

GG: Thatís right.

KC: They were saying, ďHi.Ē You know...

GG: Have you talked to Dr. Jim Deardorff, either?

KC: Well, I know who he is.

GG: Well, See, Deardorff went over there, when I came back, see the document that was not under the contract with Billy and the guys down in Arizona, was The Talmud of Immanuel, The Teachings of Immanuel.

KC: Yeah, right.

GG: Well, thatís where Billy and I had a little falling out. He doesnít like me about that, because I gave it to all kinds of people.

KC: Okay.

GG: And, anyway, during that period of time when I was over there - you know the holes in the tree? You saw them when you were over there, didnít you?

KC: I donít think so.

GG: Anyway, well, when he took the laser pistol and went out there...

KC: Okay.

GG: Well that was happening when we were there.

KC: Alright.

GG: Anyway, we were given permission to go take three pictures. Thatís all he said. Three pictures.

KC: Oh right, I remember. Okay, yes.

GG: My camera is 36-roll film. Anyway, 22, 23, and 24 was great. Well, I took another one, because thereís one way up. Totally blank. Well, I mentioned that to Jim Deardorff. The exact same thing happened to him. He took his three pictures and then the 4th one... his camera jammed.

KC: Right.

GG: Now, the same thing happened, like yourself. Because Billy is being monitored like Iím being monitored, the guys are here right now, theyíre...

KC: Okay, when you say the guys, youíre talking intel or are you talking ETs?

GG: Extraterrestrials, or other-dimensional.

KC: Yeah.

GG: Okay?

KC: Yeah, well, weíre used to this, and, you know, thatís good.

GG: What theyíre trying to do is...

KC: The good ones and bad, negative ones.

GG: We have to look at the much bigger picture when it comes to good and bad, because now we start making judgments, and thatís... we have a rule book that theyíve given us. The question is, that the Creation is trying to figure out what it is, and giving us free will to expand that. You understand when you wake up in the morning. Thereís a hormone called serotonin, that wakens your body up into what we call the 3D world.

KC: Right.

GG: Okay, when the sun goes down, because this is all triggered by light, then melatonin steps in and your body goes to sleep, right? Theoretically.

KC: Right.

GG: Between midnight and four, thereís a downloading that occurs, the uploading. So you should, if you can do that, be in constant communion, you can be in constant communion with the Creation or the hierarchy that is assisting you at this goal because this planet is very important.

KC: Right.

GG: I mean, everything's important within the universe.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: And good and bad is only measures of to see how... what works and what doesnít work, and of the four rules of the universe which we already have, the final one is balance. Well, weíre so out of balance on this planet...

KC: Okay, but when is... okay, I mean, attraction...

GG: Law of Attraction.

KC: Right.

GG: What you put out, youíre going to get back.

KC: Right.

GG: The Law of Intent. Remember, we got thought made manifest, what did we intend to make. The third one is the Law of Allowance.

KC: Allowance. Okay, but see, the Law of Allowance, thatís where you get into the negative and the positive.

GG: Well, youíre allowing it to...

KC: Because if they're going to interfere...

GG: Exactly. Now you come to the last one. No matter what, it has to come in balance. We on this physical plane measure everything in the sequence of time. Canít do that, because we donít know. You and I, we have the old...

KC: In other words, you could be rectifying a balance, because, for example, the United States and slavery. Youíre talking, what went on in the past, balanced by the future...

GG: Exactly, the karmic reactions. Now, the only thing that exists is right now. The future potentials are there. Now somehow, like Billy, youíre probably aware, was taken forward in time, and had taken pictures of the future events, World War Three, and whatís coming on from there. I saw the destruction, I mean, I saw all the pictures of San Francisco. I couldnít get Billy to come over here to the United States to appear in court.

KC: I know, but, but, look. Nothing yet, right?

GG: Oh, but I, no... but think about this. If I saw the pictures, and Iím aware of what the Global 2000 agenda is, which calls for war to...

KC: Yeah, the Iron Mountain Report is the same thing, right?

GG: Same thing. To get a war started in the Middle East which is to spread to the United States, right?

KC: Right.

GG: Well, San Francisco is destroyed before the war. Itís not a nuclear explosion. So, weíre right on the precipice. Iím also monitoring right now... I talked to, out in California this morning. There was three earthquakes out there.

Now, they only release this stuff if it's over [Richter scale] 3. Itís over a thousand a day, itís like a little chip, you know, in a cracker. So, we know itís going to break at any time, right now. Itís coming up to the point when the San Andreas is going to move.

I was with the TV crews up in Sacramento. They're ready for it at any time. They know that itís coming. The scientist I talked to up there says, ďWell, we think itís going to go a minimum of eighteen feet.Ē Well, that totally wipes out southern California. All the water, the whole game, the whole thing comes apart. When I got all this data...

KC: I have dreams of the future that tell me things like this, and Iíve seen San Francisco.

GG: Okay, well then youíve got the same thing. Well, I moved. I said, ďEnough of this.Ē You know, I had a house two blocks from the Beverly Hills Hotel. I got out of there. I had a nice house at La Costa, you know, North County San Diego. Iím gone out of California.

And then, looking at the rest of the thing, how do I maintain balance? When we talked before, when I agreed, when I said no to doing the job of being the Finance Chairman, this is where the story continues on. When I said no to doing that, that was on Monday. That Friday, my lead banker calls me in my office and said, ďGeorge, you know, youíre no longer one of us. I have to call all your loans.Ē I mean, I was under construction.

So, anyway, it took me a couple of years to unwind myself. I said, ďI donít want any more to be a part of this.Ē But then I got really deep into the Global 2000 agenda for population reduction. Then is when I really started to get into it. I said, ďWait a minute, we got to wake people up.Ē

KC: When you say you got into it, you mean you, do you mean...

GG: I sat there with the Governor and weíre talking about wiping out the American population down to twenty million.

KC: This is after you got offered that job?

GG: Oh yeah.

KC: And so, in a certain sense, you were still, kind of like, going along with that program?

GG: Well, no, I was going on - well no.

KC: Or were you just trying to educate yourself?

GG: Educating, but also was saying, I know what the agenda is, they wonít bother me, particularly, right? Itís only when I started to publicly say what theyíre coming down, is I started to get the reverberations at any point. Itís like when the Feds themselves, the Federal Reserve - they didnít like me because I learned how to break banks. Which was...

KC: Okay, then, how long after the time when you had this sort of realization moment...

GG: The Billy Meier thing really opened up everything. And within a period of, letís say, a year, I started to say: ďWait a minute, what Iím doing is not correct.Ē The population reduction scheme that theyíre going to do, the money game... hell, I made my own bank outside the Federal Reserve.

So itís, you know, Iíve already done that. Been there, done that game. Well, letís go on to something bigger. Well, then I made my agreement with the ETs. I mean, I had told them, I says, ďIf my wordís no good, then nothing is.Ē Well, what do you have?

KC: Absolutely.

GG: So anyway, the information I have...

KC: Wait, wait, wait: did you tell them telepathically?

GG: No, I told them just like you and I. I mean, weíre sitting here...

KC: You talked - out loud?

GG: Weíre talking out loud, weíre talking about how little...

KC: Youíre talking about the ones who are walking around looking like humans that you talked to?

GG: These are humans, yeah.

KC: Okay.

GG: But not Pleiadians - above the Pleiadians.

KC: Really.

GG: Yeah. And it goes higher than that.

KC: Oh, Iím sure they do. So what were those, do you know? Did they tell you where theyíre from?

GG: No, we didnít go into that. In fact, it was very... rather than having people identify, like with Billy saying itís the Pleiadians, or like when I was in Spain, with the Ummos, or in South America, you know, thereís a lot of different groups that claim that - none of them - they all have different objectives. They were in contact with me, they said things to me, you know, in my head.

KC: Really.

GG: Well, when I had some answers that just came out of nowhere, you know how that is, theyíre just in communication. Because Iím constantly being aware of them.

KC: Right now?

GG: Well, I know theyíre around, sure. They watch me all the time.

KC: Sure. But are you able to discern when it is you, or when it is some inspiration or something youíre getting, when youíre...

GG: Oh yeah, when they want to get a hold of me...

KC: Uh huh.

GG: I mean when they really seriously want to get a hold of me.

KC: Right.

GG: In my house, the phone will ring.

KC: The real phone or just a phone?

GG: It sounds just like a phone - itís an audible phone. Itís time for me to meditate and get off of the, you know - to wait for whatever there is. Now, can they get to me physically at that point? Yeah, they can do that too. But they try to keep me into this balance. They said, no use talking about the other side, like coming aboard craft. I remember inside some of those things, but they donít want me to do that. They want to keep me right here. They wonít tell me about who I am on the other side, either.

KC: No?

GG: No - they said if they did, Iíd probably wake up and I wouldnít accept the job anymore. Itís a joke... [Laughs] But seriously, I got that from about three other people, too. [Laughs]

KC: You wouldnít accept the job any more.

GG: I would - [Laughing] No, Iíd leave.

KC: Thatís interesting.

GG: Yeah, it is.

KC: Now, do you have any past life recall? Have they given you that?

GG: No, they wonít let me do that either. Thatís part of the game, thatís who I was before.

KC: Okay.

GG: Now, I live with a world famous clairvoyant.

KC: Oh, you do?

GG: Who remembers all six thousand years sheís been here.

KC: Okay, thatĎs beautiful.

GG: I was going to invite her over, but we were out partying last night and she says, ďIím just going to sit back.Ē

KC: Okay.

GG: So there is no - you know, between the death experience. It goes on. Itís one continuous thing.

KC: Absolutely. I agree with that. I have some past life recalls, as does Bill, but certainly not six thousand.

GG: She remembers back in Atlantis and Lemuria and all those times, the real story behind - she can tell you what happened, who was leading, you know.

KC: Great. Thatís fabulous. Well, you know Bob Deanís wife is the same way. Marcia Shafer, I donít know if you know who she is.

GG: No.

KC: Anyway, so, does she tell you? Is she allowed to?

GG: No, no, she has been instructed also not to tell me.

KC: Oh really?

GG: We have this thing. I said, look. Cause she does readings for people all over the world.

KC: Sure.

GG: And, I donít know what she says to anybody, but we have this understanding and she knows what my job is, and so she supports it.

KC: Okay.

GG: I mean, itís tough to live with clairvoyants, and tough to live with people like me.

KC: Yeah, I bet. [Laughs]

GG: You know, itís a bad game. [Laughs]

KC: Wow. [Laughs] It depends, it depends how you view it. I mean, from day to day, you know.

GG: She said she wouldnít have my job. [Laughs] She says, ďThe guys upstairs shouldnít have given it to you. We want to have some fun, we donít..."

KC: I know. Well, this is the problem. Yeah, so itís a preoccupation, every hour of every day.

GG: Well, Iím 100% committed, because how many people get committed? Youíre given a job and then you choose to go away. And, this dimension is so screwed up. I can understand that - I mean, weíve been - you know, the message to Garcia thatís in our book. You give somebody the job to do it, how many of them really will deliver the message?

KC: Right.

GG: Itís like trying to wake people up.

KC: Yeah.

GG: You know, Iíve lectured all kinds of people. A lot of people will... I get tons of letters from people who wake up finally.

KC: Mm.

GG: But then they recognize the job and they want to go back to sleep. I mean, itís so... the programming is so incredible.

KC: Yeah, I can understand that. Well, we understand this because weíre also on a mission. So, what... okay, to get back to this. So, you have this exposure and you basically knew you were taking on a job at some point, right?

GG: Yeah.

KC: Can you tell me when that was?

GG: Ah... [pause] ...when exactly the time was probably... when the ETs contacted me again when I was in Vegas, so that would be like twelve years ago.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: And twelve years ago I was asked to build an enemy prison war camp in downtown Las Vegas, just off downtown Las Vegas. And Iím sitting here: whoís the enemy, and whatís this all about?

And then I shared that with my friend Ted Gunderson, who was the former head of the FBI for Southern California. And he came back, and he said theyíre building them all over the United States, so that...

I said, wait a minute, the time is getting too short. The Global 2000 agenda is behind schedule, because they were supposed to get the war started in the year 2000 in the Middle East. So, Iím like everybody else. The dates again, weíre talking about dates.

KC: Right.

GG: They didnít get it done yet, but they still want to have the fait accompli was around 2012. Now everybody knows that comes into sequence because thatís when the Planet X, or Marduk, or whatever you want to call it - is going to come back around, which is going to affect a lot of the physical changes on the planet, also. And, maybe the return of, you know, one of the people.

KC: The Anunnaki.

GG: Sure, the whole game could come in at that point.

KC: Okay, now, are you being told this?

GG: Yeah, Iíve been given this information that that same game - but the information I have, we want to wake up enough people so that there'll be somebody here at that time. But the way things are happening right now, is that thereís too few of people waking up to make any significant difference.

So the last messages I brought with me - I donít know if you have them or not - from the ETs, is to get together with other people of like minds to support each other in the days ahead, because you donít know what chaos is. Itís escalating so fast, that weíre running out of time. So, thatís the reason why Iím grabbing planes and...

KC: Ah, yeah.

GG: ...and heading off to other parts of the world to find out where... no place is going to be safe. I do know the agendas that they have and some of their...

BR: Iíd like to ask you, George, if you could, just a question of my own, there: how does that make you feel, the idea that you may be behind schedule with your mission to help wake people up? Do you feel depressed, do you feel anxious, do you just get on with the job like a soldier? And when you wake up in the morning, do you feel optimistic, pessimistic, concerned, energized...?

GG: Well, you know, I got a message the other day. Iím going to be lecturing to a big group this next week in Las Vegas. And just to share with the same thing, is to ask you the question, you know, when you come out, Iím going to ask the audiences: ďHow are you today?Ē Right? Youíre good, right?

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Okay. The next question is, ďWhy are you today?" Because there may not be a tomorrow. And if you are asking me somewhere within the game that I have right at this minute, weíre running out of time, Iím running out of my sequence of getting the information out.

I have people all around the planet, even in Nepal and Russia, and everything else, forming small groups. And again, from the ETs who are monitoring the entire planet right now, thereís too few of them. And, I get that same reaction back from people who are 100% committed - because theyíre so frustrated, they say theyíre ready to go back to sleep. I canít do that. I wake up in the morning - Iím generally very optimistic on it. Iím optimistic because Iím here today.

KC: Right.

GG: When I wake up - and if Iím not here today, then thereís the next question that you look at. How much time, whatever that means, do we have to go? I donít know, because it doesnít appear that we have very much time before this chaos.

Now my background is heavy into - besides engineering - is money, and the whole money system is going to collapse on the planet. I mean, I walk around, I mean, you look at me. I can go anywhere on the planet right now. Iíve got five thousand dollars in my pocket. Right now.

BR: Five gold coins.

GG: Five gold coins. And that, you know, I just sit down there and look and say, wait a minute. I can go anywhere in the world with these little pieces right here.

KC: Yeah, and they donít stop you in an airport...

GG: No.

KC: You donít declare it, right? I mean, I think thatís why... Well, we invested in silver because you told us to back in January, and itís been going up ever since.

GG: Well, Iíve told a lot of people, and itís going to go on up because itís based on... look at the history of the planet. Even down to Mexico, itís always the silver coin. Look at the antiquities, and the guys going out and digging up the treasures in the ocean, what is it? Itís right here. Youíre looking at it. This is gold and silver.

KC: Uh huh, yeah.

GG: You know, this doesnít say this is an American Eagle. This doesnít say Federal Reserve Note on it.

BR: Not I promise to pay.

GG: No, it says right here, itís exactly what it is. It says, ďOne Dollar, Silver.Ē But itís 999. These are what they call silver rounds. This is the new - this is 100% gold, in a plastic coat. These are the new coins that are put out by our treasury right now. Itís Martha Washington, and thatís a half ounce piece. Thatís 500 dollars. Now, most gold, if you get it - I donít care whether you get it as Maple Leaves or Krugerrands like these are, or whatever. Iím just showing you, I have five thousand dollars in my pocket.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: I could have ten pieces, thatís ten thousand dollars.

KC: Yeah, you ever worry about losing them?

GG: No, and when I go into the thing, I just put it in the change thing. They donít know what it is. Nothing changes off on, but I can go anywhere in the world.

KC: Right. Okay, well I mean...

GG: [Laughs]

KC: I carry my passport with me everywhere...

GG: You have to.

KC: ...because I donít know whatís going to go on.

GG: Exactly, but you should have a few gold coins on you no matter where you are.

KC: Alright...

GG: Iím serious.

KC: Iím listening! [Both laugh]

GG: I mean, itís easy. You can get gold right now. You canít get silver - right at the minute.

KC: Oh, really.

GG: Well, because...

KC: I have actually have some silver coins from my grandmother, who kept them.

GG: Well, thatís fine. The old junk silver, I suggest everybody get the old junk silver because itís trading right now at less, today - less than what spot is for silver. But get some of that because people will recognize that. They arenít going to recognize the zinc and the rest of this other junk that they have but theyíll always recognize that.

For fun, do you know the new dollar piece? Looks like a gold piece, the new one-dollar piece you can buy at the bank. Get some of those, because it doesnít say ďFederal ReserveĒ on that. It just says, ďOne Dollar.Ē

KC: Okay, but is it really gold?

GG: No.

KC: So is that, thatís sort of a...

GG: Iím working on a new gold thing right now, you know, in Ecuador.

KC: So, ho... isnít that just going to help Ecuador, or is something going to go beyond that.

GG: No, itís already going beyond that. Because if you trade a piece of gold, it goes anywhere in the world. Look thereís only three currencies in the world right now. Thereís only three.

KC: What?

GG: Gold, oil and drugs. Iím not in the drug business.

KC: Okay.

GG: But they keep track of all that with gold. I mean, Itís always based on the barrel, what the oil takes out of the ground and the problem with oil, you are probably aware, we keep on using it up. Itís not replenishing like theyíre saying. Weíre using it all up and weíre no longer getting that thirty cents a gallon oil out of the ground. Itís eighty cents a gallon to get it out of the ground, right now. Thatís the real cost.

And then, usually the governments, by the time they add the taxes, thatís another dollar to a dollar forty a gallon. So youíre $2.20 a gallon for oil coming out of the ground right now. Then youíve got the distribution, and other stuff that brings the cost up. Within a very short period, youíre going to be four dollars and then like Europe, seven dollars a gallon. Itís coming up.

KC: Okay.

GG: Thatís going to kill the little guy even more, right?

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Well, the only thing to offset all this is, since we are playing with the world thing, and the people pay with the game called ďstock market,Ē which has nothing to do with business, has nothing to do with business, itís just a crap shoot - piece of paper. Whatís that have to do with business?


The CEOs are already stealing all the money out of the companies, so people have a piece of paper - whole companies collapses like theyíre doing right now - you still got the piece of paper, but you canít do anything with it. But you can always take a piece of gold or piece of silver and trade it, right? [Laughs]

KC: So, so, I mean, we have people saying to us... I mean, we get a whole mixed bag of people with information.

GG: Sure.

KC: Okay? Now, your information comes from intel, right?

GG: Yeah.

KC: Youíve got some CIA people?

GG: I have CIA, MI6. I have FBI. I have foreign government. I have one of my friends, the head of all of Latin America, of the CIA. The CIA is Crooks In Action.

KC: [Laughs] I hear you.

GC: Theyíre all professional liars. Theyíre all professional liars! I mean, you know...

KC: Okay, but let me ask you something. You know Richard Hoagland says the lie is different every level.

GG: Thatís right.

KC: So, let me ask you, do these people have the information correct, or are they also misled?

GG: To give you that idea - now this is on a physical plane. I sat in on a meeting when we were talking about population reduction in the United States.

KC: Right.

GG: And there was a dozen of us, and they were talking about using neutron bombs in the major cities, and other biological weapons and things.

KC: Right.

GG: And, within the group, you know, weíre all buddies, right? Just like, the three of us are buddies right now, at the minute. What if I sent you outside, and weíre talking about getting rid of you? What happened is, what got my attention was, I sat with this meeting and one of my close friends was a member of the Skull and Bones, which is pretty high up. I mean, they are incredible powerful. Anyway, half of the meeting left, and we were talking about getting rid of some of the guys who were just in the meeting.

KC: Really.

GG: Itís just... the question is, whoís going to be left on top? Itís like being in a den of rattlesnakes, black widows, and scorpions. Theyíre all capable of killing each other. Whoís going to win? Actually, none of them.


Project Camelot interviews George Green

Part 2



Start of interview

Kerry Cassidy: We have some deep black, you know, people in deep black telling us information, okay? And we have to evaluate that information.

George Green: Sure, discern it.

KC: So, we use our intuition, you know, our psychic ability...

GG: Inside, youíre going to know.

KC: ...we triangulate with other information. So you know, so weíre, and basically we kind of go ahead in that way. But, some of the stuff they give us is totally contradictory, and we... like, we'll have two people. And one of our people is called Henry Deacon. Itís a fake name.

GG: Mm hm.

KC: He worked at Livermore. He worked at a lot of places. You can read about him on our website. But heís convinced, just as you are that one, thereís something like Planet X headed this way...

GG: Sure.

KC: ...two, that, you know, that the economy and everything is going under very shortly.

GG: Mm hm.

KC: The population question: he was educated, you know, or re-educated, if you will, about the population control issue and how they have a plan to get rid of the population...

GG: I put it up on my website.

KC: Right. So, I mean, he follows all that. And yet, weíve got other people like, you know, David Wilcock, who is talking about "ascension", who is talking about a whole different positive future for the Earth...

GG: That... but see, thereís a different agenda on the ETs. Remember, thereís a group of extraterrestrials that are hoping we're going destroy ourselves.

KC: Right.

GG: Alright, if theyíre hoping that weíre going to destroy ourselves and they want that, then they are going to give to all those ďnew-agersĒ that youíre going to "ascend". Well, you can call death "ascension", or do anything you want to, right?

KC: Okay.

GG: You can do it at that point, but the truth is that if just sit back and say, wait for somebody to come back and save us, now you put back ourselves into the victim consciousness.

KC: Right.

GG: And thatís not the way the universe works. The whole key to this whole thing is personal responsibility.

KC: Absolutely.

GG: Totally. And if Iím looking for somebody out here to come save us, I donít care what you call them or some, save us from what and whoís going to be there. I mean, even if Christ would come back at this time, weíd crucify him in half the time.

KC: [Laughs]

GG: And itís like some of the ETs Iím involved in say,

ďRemember, the universe is logical, you guys really know how to destroy your planet. Do you think weíre going to take you to another planet? Youíd do it in half the time.Ē

KC: Mm hm.

GG: We havenít come into that ďbalanceĒ part of the spiritual understand who and what we are in relationship to the universe, which is a connection to the Creation as itís finding out whatís up. Could be like in India. You know, ultimately, the say the Creation says, ďIím tired of this.Ē And goes over and goes to sleep and weíll all cease.

And I also ask the next question. Weíve got the Creation is above all things... even Billy Meier says that. Whatís above the Creation? And you know what my friend said from the other side? ďWell, thereís still mysteries for us.Ē

KC: Mm hm, thatís right.

GG: We canít get the ultimate game because weíre all part of it.

KC: Yeah. Absolutely.

GG: [Laughs]

KC: Okay, but weíre looking for like a message of hope, letís say. From you. What can you tell us? What is your... I mean, Iím reading your book. Iíve read Handbook for a New Paradigm, I read that years ago.

GG: Did you read the other two?

KC: Iím reading Becoming, right now.

GG: Ah, thatís a great book. [Laughs]

KC: Itís good stuff, but Iím thinking to myself: Are you channeling this, or do you understand this?

GG: Oh, I understand it.

KC: You do.

GG: I think itís fun when Iím getting the information. Because Iím sitting down here, the information... Iím sitting on the computer and saying that should be - this is my own questions - that should be italicized. And I didnít touch the computer, and it became italicized.

KC: [Laughs]

GG: The other question is kind of like your picture, right? All of a sudden you got a silver thing on it, right?

KC: Yes.

GG: Whoís doing it and what. And, the information is not me speaking when you look at that information. Itís not ME.

KC: It doesnít sound like you.

GG: Well, itís not. And I know exactly what... in fact, it was the agreement, itís a joke. I said, ďYou guys, Iíll publish the book." I promised to do that, that was my word. I said, ďYou got to tell me, you even have to do the work up on the back page.Ē They did that too!

KC: [laughs] Okay.

GG: We did it... I said we got to have it less than so many pages. So, they made sure it was less than 200 pages because of peopleís attention span. I gave them all the instructions. You know, they come back and said, ďWell, youíve been well trained, son.Ē [laughing] Thatís what they told me. Youíve been well trained.

KC: So, okay, so youíre not just, itís not just coming through you...

GG: No.

KC: ...and youíre suddenly waking up and going, ďOh, what did I write?Ē

GG: No, itís none of that stuff.

KC: Okay.

GG: Itís a little deeper than that, but not to focus on that. Thatís the next thing - not to focus on the ETs, but the message...

KC: Sure.

GG: ...because these are an anti-virus device. And what they do is trigger people to awaken themselves so they can be in direct contact.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: The last messages, which I donít put out, is called Messages To The Ground Crew. And Iíll leave those for you.

KC: Okay.

GG: And if people get all three of the books that we have, then I give them the fourth one because by the time they get you reading the books a couple of times, their whole life experiences will change because they should, seriously, be in contact themselves.

KC: Sure. Absolutely.

GG: Whether itís physical or non-physical. Itís not my job. Iím not a traffic cop. So, I canít tell people where theyíre supposed to be or what happens. All Iím supposed to do is act as that trigger to get you to start to think. Because people are... they donít think anymore.

KC: Right.

GG: They donít reason.

KC: Have you spent any time with the Native Americans?

GG: Yeah, I have some friends that are in that area. I had a couple of them working for me that were Chiefs of the Tribes.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Remember, they understand that Native Earth, as you know it, is a living being, and we should have been taking care of it, and they're very concerned. Just like, you know, in Australia, the Aborigines down there said, ďhey, this isnít our game.Ē And theyíve been given permission not to reincarnate on this planet. So, theyíre not having children.

KC: Really.

GG: Yeah! Well...

Bill Ryan: I have a question about contact. We have a lot of people writing to us about all kinds of things, including people who think that theyíre in touch but theyíre not sure... a lot of this stuff presumably happens in the dream state, and itís regarded as being disruptive to them for them to recall everything fully consciously, but yet theyíre still learning what to do and doing it and have a very strong sense of mission, but they donít have a conscious recall of contact. Is that consistent with your experience?

GG: Sure, between midnight and four. Remember thatís the downloading and loading, unloading. Itís a question of awakening. You know what the Pleiadians said, and this is some of the things that... of course, I had questions, the same thing. They said we should all reach the state of constant communion with spirit. Constant, thatís both night and day. I mean, weíre programmed and everything else going on to the Creation but weíre running out of time on this planet. I mean, it doesnít take a rocket scientist to take a look at the pollution thatís going on, on the planet.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: And then all the information weíre giving like whether the environmentís affecting us or, you know, the so called warming and everything thatís happening. These are all periodic changes on the planet anyway, the trouble is all the poisons weíre getting in the water, and everything else that we have. I mean, kill us off slowly.

KC: Well, okay, but youíre basically, youíve been inside, you get information saying theyíve sent out. I mean, weíre told there are bioweapons that have already been deployed around the planet to eliminate different groups.

GG: Yeah.

KC: Okay.

GG: Genetically, yeah. Theyíve done that. Fort Dietrich, Maryland did a real study on...

KC: I mean, AIDS, for example, was something of that nature.

GG: Sure.

KC: But, in other words, where do you - like, where do you draw the line? How do you stop them? Whatís your positive twist on things, other than - I mean, you got your books and youíre working to awaken people, but are you also telling them that they can change their world?

GG: They can change their world. Theirs, not the whole world.

KC: Oh.

GG: If you focus on the planet - and a lot of these people will say take care of the planet. Itís going to take care of itself.

KC: Sure.

GG: Weíve run out of worrying about the planet. I mean, itís okay. What we ought to do now is, how do we get ourselves ďin a place where thereís going to be a remnant left.Ē Well, with all the information thatís available to us, itís obvious... even the insiders. I brought a book over... John Perkins' new book. Have you seen Perkins' new book?

KC: No.

GG: Do you know anything about him? The Economic Hit Man, he was the number one seller. See this big book? This is his latest book. I urge you to get it.

KC: Okay.

GG: This book right here - and we have it available right now but again itís one of the best sellers in the New York Times. Now he was an insider that went in broke companies and countries, and everything else, the same way, only worked for the government. Heís telling people the same thing Iím saying now, in this book.

KC: Really.

GG: Heís saying, ďitís too late, youíre not going to stop the game, get yourself ready.Ē But this is a book that is available at any bookstore.

KC: Okay.

GG: You know - or they can get a hold of us and weíll be glad to get it for them. But this thing is exactly telling you, this is the end of American Empire.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: And itís all planned.

KC: Okay, so are you seeing Civil War, for America?

GG: I see... well, you know, you read the context of it. I see at this minute. And it could happen any three day weekend is what Iím telling people. A three day weekend when all the banks are closed, like the three days when you familiar when Verizon couldnít communicate with MasterCard or Visa for three days and shut basically banking things down?

KC: Yeah.

GG: When people wake up - they have no lights, no electricity, no internet - for three days and there won't be any food left in the stores. We know that after three days people will steal for food - after a week, theyíll kill for it, and thatís also planned. So, Iím looking at utmost chaos in the United States. Because everybodyís still asleep.

KC: Now, what about the rest of the countries of the world?

GG: Well, thereís, obviously thereís other places that are going to be temporarily safer if you can get to them. Itís like...

KC: I mean, more like Switzerland?

GG: Well, Switzerlandís in the middle of everything and has always been the banking center. You know, I tell people if you want safety, theoretically, from the past, you put your money, I mean thatís where the Bank for International Settlements is, right? The thirteen families that control all the worldís money.

KC: Right.

GG: Itís all traded through the BIS, out of Switzerland. So theyíre going to try to keep track of whatever the game we have of trade of stuff. Now, I didnít bring it with me, but I have the World Cash Card. Itís not a MasterCard or a VISA, but it looks like that.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: When you go - when Bush calls and I expect it at any time, a national emergency, youíre going to have to go to the Post Office and register under the Executive Orders. And at which time the chip is one thing, theyíve been experimenting with the chips, and thatís an experimental game. My CIA buddies say theyíre kind of laying it off cause they want the little plastic card which will be activated by your thumb print.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: I mean, theyíre experimenting with retinal scans and every...

KC: But, this is going to be worldwide, not just the United States.

GG: Oh yeah, itís a worldwide meltdown - youíre going to have countries that will be kind of exempt out of it. You know, even China's running on the dollar, as you know, and they got a trillion, three hundred million of them, Iíve heard. Whatever their dollar says, theyíre putting two hundred billion in it then theyíre trying to find a place to not dump the dollar, to put it to work so theyíre buying all the commodities around the planet, right?

KC: Mm hm.

GG: So there are other places that have stuff for trade and thatís what you have to look at. The smart money, because of whatís planned, theyíre planning a nuclear war, as you know, in the northern hemisphere. The nuclear war will be using the neutron bombs. The neutron bombs radiation goes away in a few days. Itís not the dirty bombs. They could get away. What theyíre figuring is, that the winds come from the North Pole and go to the equator and donít go to the southern hemisphere.

KC: Right.

GG: So the Southern Hemisphere looks good, the politics of the Southern Hemisphere is kind of interesting at this minute.

KC: [Laughs]

GG: Because itís not whatís presented to you necessarily on the news, because they control all that information. You actually have to go and do it while you can. Now, I just wired $5,000 out of this country and they couldnít get access to the funds for seven days - on a wire transfer. I went over to Bank of America to get... and Iím suggesting people getting small bills, ones, fives, tens and twenties. All I could get was $2,000. I cleaned them out of all their little money.

KC: Ahh!

GG: Everybodyís using the cards, the debit or checks.

KC: Well, we travel in Europe and itís true. They donít want to take dollars at all any more. They donít... theyíre not interested in dollars.

GG: No, itís all Euros. No, why would they want to take them?

KC: They donít even want them in Russia!

GG: Thatís - Russiaís already gone on the Euros - Russia, you know there was how much money was involved over there - thereís more millionaires in Moscow than in any other city in the world.

KC: Yeah, thatís we heard.

GG: Well, Putin said it. He says the same thing. He urged - this was in the newspaper. I got this two years ago. He told all the Russians, get your dollars out, put it into gold, United States is going to go into a massive depression. And, put it into gold and put it into other currencies. So the Russians have started to do that.

Now, George Soros and Warren Buffett, youíre familiar with those two people, right? Soros used to get my books. Anyway, Buffett and Soros moved to Europe, there are large amounts of their funds, and they said the United States is going to go down they figured 40%. They were right on - 40% in the dollar value during this period of time. Now Soros reported today, forget it, itís all over, the dollarís going to collapse right away. Iím looking sometime this year.

KC: Right.

GG: Because, many countries are now saying, ďI donít want to take it for...Ē  Well, when I was in Ecuador, just recently, Iím sitting there talking with some of the people involved with the government. I say,

ďCreate your... you have gold donít you? Create your own currency based on gold."

So, hopefully this week theyíll have the first EcuaGold piece.

KC: Mm hm.

BR: I want to catch a couple of questions here.

KC: Okay.

GG: Only two! [Everyone laughs]

BR: Nuclear war in the northern hemisphere.

GG: Right.

BR: That sounds more than just taking out a few facilities in Iran. What are you referring to?

GG: Well, first of all, thereís three nuclear submarines on the west coast, from Russia. Thereís three on the east coast. These are their new ones, I have all their data, somewhere. Theyíre two football fields in length, five stories tall and they have nuclear... they're able to go eighty miles an hour under the water, totally undetected. We canít detect them.

Their targets are all the major cities on the west coast. On the east coast, obviously Washington, D.C., New York, Atlanta, the ports that bring in the stuff, 'cause they want to... they can bring us down. China says they can shut down our total electrical system and our computer system within two days.

Chinaís sitting back. Theyíre the wild card with them. Their government says itís 5,000 years, itís our turn to run the world. And, their plans are, as you know, to let us have our fight with the Middle East. Now, the plan was originally to get the war started in Israel, as you know.

KC: Right.

GG: Itís going to happen. Because thatís all, too many Christians looking to Biblical Prophesies and want to follow the line. Now, whereís it going to come from? We know North Korea delivered nuclear warheads, because it was in the paper.

KC: Yeah.

GG: Remember, they had the boat we stopped that was supposed to go into Iraq and you know the fiasco of Iraq that was all because of April Glaspie giving the, April Glaspie, our Ambassador, gave Hussein permission to go in to reclaim their...

KC: Right.

GG: Yeah, because the Kuwaitis were slant drilling the under, you know, under the oil.

KC: Right.

GG: So, this is all part of the bigger game on this thing, but they got to get the war started in the Middle East. When will that start? Keep watching the news, because they keep telling you to hate China right now, even over the Olympics and all the other things, theyíre going to try to do things. Because China has the ability to wipe it out now.

Bush had a meeting with Putin. Putin flew over to Kennebunkport and met with Bush. This was a few months ago. And Putin basically told Bush, you donít go after Iran, because you know, you took out the Raman oilfield, that was our field and we were running it; and Russians were running that anyway. Says, youíre not going to do it in Iran.

KC: Right.

GG: You do that, you begin World War III. So heís backed off a little bit on that. So, what theyíre trying to do now is get Syria and the other ďenemy countriesĒ squared away and thereís going to be a missile, whether it comes out of Israel, who has Netanyahu who says we control Washington anyway, where theyíre controlling all the game.

KC: Right.

GG: Letís go play the game and get it going. I watch, as soon as you see a missile, hitting the Middle East, whether it hits Israel or Iran on it, you want to be out of the country.

KC: Out of this country.

GG: You bet, because, remember. Whatís the first law? The Law of Attraction, what you put out. Look what Clinton did. Clinton made the world hate us. You call your travel agent and ask them which country you can go to that hates us the least.

KC: [Laughs]

GG: Seriously. [Pause, Laughs]

KC: [Laughs] No, weíve.... So, youíre saying get out of this country, so that must be your plan.

GG: Exactly.

KC: Really.

GG: Yeah.

KC: And, you live in a pretty remote area of Idaho.

GG: Well, Iím ....

KC: Youíre not one of those people who says, the United States, thereís some safe places here, like the Four Corners

GG: Oh, I do, when I was asking, ďWhere can I move in order to get the information, I speak English, so what country in Latin America speaks English?Ē They...

KC: Brazil?

GG: No, Brazilís Portuguese.

KC: Well, but theyíre multi-lingual, more or less.

GG: Well, Brazil's incredibly poor. Thereís very few, the very rich. If you sit down at Ipanema...

KC: You tell me who.

GG: Well, you know, Germany, the end of World War II, a lot of Germans went down, you know, to Chile and Argentina, so thatís relatively new - soís Ecuador. If you go down there, itís pretty middle class America, frankly.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: It is, I mean, itís not, it had a lot of indigenous groups and a lot of Pleiadian things, you know, like the plains of Aztec, which are down in Peru, a lot of that stuff is interconnected.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: So, a lot of it was originally, where the ETs landed down there and a lot of remains there. I thought it would be kind of fun just to do that just to get my head off of whatís happening on a day to day basis, as youíre talking about. But Iíve been...

KC: What about Africa? Have they given up on Africa?

GG: No. Hereís the problem with Africa. Thereís so much disease out there. Theyíve given up on South Africa, I had some friends in South Africa that wanted me to come down there. But the whole politic system, the whole game, theyíre going to let that go. China is already going to take all of Taiwan, theyíre going to take Australia, they going to take all that stuff at some point.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: I mean, theyíre allready moving in on that. Theyíre also moving in on Canada. You know, they bought the second largest oil company up there - theyíve been getting all the grains from Canada for a long time, theyíre their friends.

KC: Now, weíre told that a war between the US and China is like theater. Itís not, I mean, they know thereís going to be a war, itís planned, and, you know, and theyíre just going to go ahead with it. But that itís not, you know, itís not real, theyíre just, I mean, itís real enough for us on the ground...

GG: Hundred, China has a hundred million single men right now. A hundred million. We have, the United States has three hundred million people. Half of them, a hundred and fifty million, are over age fifty. Over the hill group, if you want to call it that, the so called, you know, the group that can not do anything.

In the plan of the reduction of the population in the United States, their plan is to reduce, if youíre over age forty-four, youíll be one of the expendables, the useless leaders or today, your human resource. Thatís the, you know, the vocal word, if you look at it. Theyíre going to reduce the population down to the people that they can manage.

If you're over age forty-four and have a talent that they can use, like my sonís a nuclear physicist, a senior engineer with Bechtel, theyíll keep him around, right? Theyíre not going to keep me around, Iím useless. I have a lot of information.

BR: But you mean that you will be targeted, to be taken out?

GG: Theyíll keep him. But if you donít have a talent, youíll be taken - right, just a few blocks from here, I can take you by, well, itís a few miles from here, I just drove by it yesterday - theyíre building up, you know, these dissident camps - here. Theyíre getting ready to get these things going.

KC: The whole camp idea, I mean, I have to admit that I find this, I mean, why bother. I mean, theyíre already running the world. You know what Iím saying?

GG: Itís a... we donít have enough food.

KC: Theyíve got sheep, they go to work everyday. You know, they watch TV and they go to sleep. You put them in camps, theyíre going to rebel.

GG: Well, the camps is the next state, they want to, theyíre going to do it, itís a gradual, they canít just wipe us all out at once. The neutron bombs will do that. Now, remember the nuclear will go to the Equator and wonít spill over into the southern hemisphere. Thatís the advantage to going south. I mean...

KC: Right.

GG: Why did Bush buy all this property in Paraguay?

KC: Uh huh.

GG: You know, the head of CNN buy all these thousands of acres in Argentina - and I have - my CIA friends are living in, south of the Equator.

KC: I know, I heard that.

GG: Yeah, theyíve all moved down there and they say, look, I have one of them whoís the head of all that, he says, ďyou know, you nut. He says, Iím not - I know whatís coming down, we donít know the exact timing because they keep playing the game. Itís like reading this book, this guyís sitting down there, he knows exactly whatís going on. Heís living here in the United States in a small town, away from things, and you canít create yourself into a community of say, hey Iím going to be doing that. You have to live in community. And look around. This is a good part of the country. We have a lot of Mormons up here. Mormons save food. Water is critical.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Got a lot of water.

KC: What about the Sun? Are you, I mean...

GG: What do you mean, what about the sun?

KC: Are you, I mean...

GG: Itís cold.

KC: But, thereís going to be like solar flares, itís...

GG: Solar flares - thatís just energy coming out. Remember the sun works on this, itís putting out frequency of light. When the light hits something, the atoms start to vibrate which creates the heat.

KC: Right.

GG: Doesnít create it at the sun.

KC: But, what Iím talking about is that what theyíve been talking about coming, to hit this, you know, to hit the Earth, and so on, are the solar flares that are going to make life very uncomfortable and...

GG: Thatís part of it. Thatís the reason why we start looking at the underground facilities or something close to that. The Pine Gap thing. Youíre familiar with that, in Australia, right? The thirty-five thousand so-called elite. They're going to be able to go down there when this thing all happens.

KC: Well, we, weíve also reported underground bases. I mean, there are underground bases everywhere.

GG: Except for what they havenít done? All of those things are not going to be working. You know why?

KC: Why?

GG: Typical malarkey. No spare parts.

KC: I donít understand.

GG: If you put together a motor thatís running underneath that creates the air current and the bearing goes out, where are you going to get a bearing - to fix the motor to clean the air?

KC: I donít know.

GG: Thereís no spare parts, so their plan has got flaws in it, thatís all Iím telling you...

KC: Oh...

GG: Itís not, so they, theyíve built, yeah, they got underground facilities, so, letís laugh about it. We have the information, weíre going to have to be, like the picture I showed you, somewhat above ground in the side of the hill or something so you have access. Youíre going to have to build greenhouses in order offset these things and the greenhouses are going to be designed in a way to withstand these winds that are going to be created by all of this - the changes thatís happening. I mean, weíre going to have, I mean Mount Baldy in California, you know where thatís at...

KC: Yeah.

GG: Yeah, 212 mph winds for a week up there at the top. Same thing at both poles. Well, we got, now we got what, hurricanes hitting 250 and 300 mph, wiping out all over the - we donít know where itís going to be safe. I do know because of the mountain ranges where I am right now and I ask about where is safe. For my job, I could have went to Four Corners, I looked at all of that.

KC: Right.

GG: I didnít go there because of transportation. If Iím going to be flying around, I want to be at a place where I have access to the airlines reasonably cheap.

KC: Well, I mean, but, are airlines going to be...

GG: Theyíre not going to be flying much longer either.

KC: Well, thatís...

GG: Thatís all coming to a... I can say weíre going to come to this screeching halt, so how do we live? The farmers know how to live here but we have people over here that are crazy. Theyíre either been led by the programs - the kids, they go, immediately theyíre on their computer games learning how to kill things. They have no soul left - theyíll be set in line to go give them a gun that will just be a big computer game to them. [Laughs]

KC: Okay - but what do you say to people that say, ďLook, if you think it, you create it.Ē So, youíre putting energy out, in a direction -

GG: You mean the Thought Made Manifest?

KC: Yeah.

GG: Remember, we have to go to the intent of the thought. Iím just telling you the wisest...

KC: Are you reporting mere fact?

GG: No, the first rule is to gain all knowledge, so you can wisely follow the laws, right?

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Well, I - if a trainís coming down here and your car is parked right over here, and if I donít tell you the trainís there, then shame on you for not knowing and shame on me for not telling you.

KC: Absolutely.

GG: So, thatís what my whole game is. Iíll tell you what the whole game is all about.

KC: Uh huh -

GG: What you have to do is take the information, discern it, go do your own research to find out that itís even worse than what Iím telling you. A much bigger picture coming down the line.

BR: Whenís the train coming?


KC: Weíll youíve -

GG: Itís on the way, itís on the track, itís on the way, seriously.

BR: There are various trains, I mean -

GG: Everybodyís agenda, see, you give a whole group of people an agenda - go accomplish their mission, right? Iíve got a job to get my stuff out - what do you think of the guys that are planning on taking over the world is their agendas? Each one of them a different country has got something, they think that theyíre fulfilling their mission - ego power, whatever, position, in their Iím going to be safe. What if theyíre just going to be turned over and not saved. Theyíll be taken out the last minute.

BR: Yeah -

GG: And thatís the game that you canít know - none of us know, I mean thereís no master plan because itís a plan. The Plan 2000. And the plans always have changed because of this Free Will deal. Now, the ultimate game of this thing is - is the clones - now you come back to that. These people are programmed to do things. Now, they can think so maybe they can change at some time later, but canít change too much; this gameís on - the game is on right now.

KC: What about stargates? Are you aware of the natural stargates around the planet?

GG: Well, Iíve heard about those but Iím not - I donít - I donít see us taking off and going one place to another, from, you know, from the information Iím getting from the Pleiadians and other ones. They use - rather the methods, you know, using magnetics, and that, have you, to switch time and space, if you want to, or bend it.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: But as far as going into it and immediately going to where and why and are you spiritually balanced - if youíre not balance, youíre not going to go anywhere. Thatís the reason why that they call this the prison planet.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: We canít get off of it.

KC: Mm hm. Have you been told thereís bases on Mars and the Moon?

GG: Yeah.

KC: Yeah?

GG: Iíve also been told that any night if you have a clear sky, look at the stars that are strobing red, blue and green. Those are all spacecraft.

KC: Right.

GG: Weíre the focal point. Like, if youíre taking your cameras to take pictures of me?

KC: Yeah.

GG: The ETs are doing the same thing for Planet Earth. And the ETs Iím involved in are monitoring not only the physical world but your soul level - and if your soul comes back it, it clicks on like a Christmas tree light. So, weíre trying to light up the whole planet to have those - at this point, all they can do is focus on those that are awakened.

KC: Hmmm.

GG: To assist them. Theyíre not going to do it for us. They wouldíve! But they canít do it now. They said they would come down, help us clean the planet up - but itís too far gone right now so weíre going to have to go through this incredible tribulation. Are we going to make it?

KC: Are we?

GG: If you want me to, Iíll read you the last message, it will tell you - is a reason for it. For as the Creation is finding out what works and what doesnít. Have to come back - are we going to make it? It doesnít look good. Am I positive about it? Iím positive that weíre going to go into incredible chaos. Do I want to be part of it? Iím already part of it, right?

KC: Yeah. So...

GG: I woke up today. Iím alive. Iím happy for the day.

KC: Mm hm.

GG: [looking through papers] The the answer to the question that you had, frankly, this is from the ETs themselves.

ďAs difficult as the planetary situation is, thereís a purpose to it. Mankind must learn to be a responsible being individually which then in composite form is reflected in the planetary whole. It must also be remembered that the adversarial energies that have been applied have been carefully planned and carried out over eons of sequential time. Humanity has been considered only as pawns in a chess game that contains more power plans than the third dimensional mind can grasp. This does not relegate humanity to an unimportant role. Conscious awareness is at the top of the Creational pile...Ē

GG: Thatís what weíre talking about.

ď...and not to be taken lightly. However, it is for this same conscious awareness to become aware of itself and its purpose through the experience gained in self created circumstances based on the Laws of Attraction. Victim consciousness draws abusive situations and then experience from both actions until conscious awareness realizes the futility of such behavior and abandons it of its own accord. Difficult as it is to accept, this is the truth. The bottom line to the scenario in point. It is understood that undue influence has been exercised but simply put, the lessons have become more and more extreme in order that the necessary realizations be made by at least a portion of the experiencing conscious awareness units.Ē

GG: human beings.

ďWhere in the message are encouraging words? We can only suggest that the previous messages given in the handbooks and sequels be reviewed with new impetus and focus that need to be known by the ground crew as clearly delineated in them.Ē

GG: Itís a final wake up call. FINAL. WAKEUP. CALL.

KC: Right.

ďLet it be taken seriously and the days to be experience by humanity as time winds down is necessary for those of those of you who are now in the know, so to speak, begin to focus on what might be called holding the fort.Ē

KC: Mm hm.

GG: Thatís what you got to do.

ďAs the chaos increases, it is important that there be those who can keep their focus and balance as the meltdown begins in earnest.Ē

GG: Thatís what youíre asking about, how do you keep balanced. You got to just keep it. You know that thereís an out coming and know that youíre being guided to help.

ďThough it appears that all is lost, itís the steadfastness of the few that will determine just how much chaos and suffering will be experienced. While it seems little use in doing it, I can assure you that itís critical. Exactly what does it mean? It means that the people must hold a vision of a connection to the Creatorís plan. Not necessary that they know the plan."

GG: Cause you donít - even the Creatorís changing things around.

ďNo matter how difficult in circumstance the plan of the Creator will come into being - it probably will not happen in ways that were previously conceived by those working on it through these many generations but it will happen.Ē

GG: Creation created it. Itís got to come back to balance, doesnít it?

ďWhile time in the third dimension continues to pass day by day, the dimension is where there is no time.Ē

GG: Thatís an interesting thing. Only the experiences, right?

KC: Uh huh.

GG: These are the things that itís coming up to. Itís like a huge puzzle, and pieces of the puzzles are being put in, in all the different places, but theyíre not coming together exactly in sequence, like weíd do it, but they are coming together. And, thatís where weíre involved right now, and what we have to come into balance, understanding what youíre looking at, around the planet.


To find out the answers to much of the information that you had, that you were trying to find, and try to allow that information to be filtered on to other people to get them prepared. Right now is preparation time.

BR: By being prepared, you mean: get yourself together in the right place, with the right people, to be self sufficient and balanced, and do it yesterday.

GG: Well, thatís not quick enough. [Laughs] Thatís exactly correct. You know, itís like this Message for the Ground Crew. I only give this book to the people thatís read the other three books. I mean, you can pick any of the three books that were set out here, you know, like Becoming, was the last big book that we come out with, anybody can take these things and just read one of the, I mean just pick one at random...

KC: Uh huh.

GG: You know, I just pick one at random, It says within them,

ďBlessings of education, the proliferation of broadcast communications and the printed word for the distribution of knowledge lies the problem of discerning what is of value and what is deliberately placed within these sources to mislead and misinform.Ē

GG: Isnít that the question that you guys asked a few minutes ago? [he continues reading]

ďHerein is the next level of understanding that discernment as to what is appropriate and what must be applied to all input. Within each, it is invited to the Law of Attraction, for like attracts like. A victim attitude not only draws fellow victims into oneís life but also abusers to provide the victim experience.Ē

So, all this stuff is filled out and most people canít read it.

KC: Yeah.

GG: But thatís the reason they have been so programmed by the whole system over eons of time - and so itís like a guy says here, I pull out a little book over there and it says the Gideon Bible. Well, you know, the President didnít get sworn under a Gideon Bible, he didnít get sworn under a King James Bible, right? Heís sworn under a Jefferson Bible. Why? Jefferson Bible? Heís a Mason. Our forefathers were all Masons in this country.

KC: Umm hmm.

GG: So, a Bible means a group of books. And, King James, he had a good associate do, you know, put his together. Francis Bacon was a smart guy. Him and fifty guys created the King James Version. Version means opinion, isnít it?

KC: [laughs]

GG: So, itís obviously somebodyís done something. Where did that come from? Well then you go clear back to - you know, the year 325 when they assembled all kinds of books. Why didnít they put the Book of Enoch in the Bible? I mean, Enoch was a real character, wasnít he? You know, he was from Ethiopia, he was black, all of his leaders, I mean, all of his followers saw him walk out into a field and taken aboard a spacecraft. Never came back. Thatís in his book, you donít want to print that!

KC: [laugh]

GG: Ezekiel, he talks about seeing a wheel within a wheel - kind of sets down, he puts it down. If you look at it, itís a lot of history within the Bible, but even all the Rabbis, two years ago, or three years ago when I was in New York City - New York Times, they had a full page ad, they said the book of Exodus is a lie. [pause] And yet, thatís in the Old Testament.

KC: Right.

GG: So now you start looking at it - now I start weighing it out and itís like this so called Ten Commandments, right? [pause] - the so called - I use that.

KC: Yeah.

GG: If you take Exodus 20, itís the so called Ten Commandments. Exodus 20 says, ďThou shall not kill.Ē Exodus 21 says itís ok to kill your dad if he strikes you.

KC: [laugh]

GG: It does!

KC: Yeah, no, I -

GG: But, the real Commandment says, ďThou shall not murder thy fellow man on thought or deed.Ē Now youíre coming back. But see, it doesnít say that in the Bibles, right? Itís like that, ďThou shall keep the Sabbath Day Holy.Ē What day is that? Letís divide people, letís argue, Saturday or Sunday, not recognizing that every day, you give thanks to the Creator, thatís the Sabbath, every day.

KC: Hmmm

GG: For the ability for you to manifest at this level. Well, we just changed two of the so called Ten Commandments. Thatís like me changing two of the stocks in the Dow Jones 30, they just did that last week, right? So, we got a new deck of cards weíre playing with.

KC: Right.

GG: And thatís what theyíve been doing periodically for the whole system of societies, they start putting out the printed word. And, we have words we no longer commit to telepathic information because you canít lie telepathically.

KC: Uh huh. Thatís right.

GG: [laughs]

BR: I had a simple question for you now. Why are you still alive, George? Why havenít they put poison in your salad in a restaurant somewhere?

GG: Because they think -

BR: Are you that lucky or do you think theyíve won?

GG: Oh, they think theyíve won. I asked that of my CIA buddies because of - Iím a cross over, you know - I go both sides, my gosh. Iím getting guidance and protection from the guys upstairs -

KC: Sure.

GG: The second thing is - the guys that are in control, they understand that thereís a much bigger picture, I mean the ones that arenít clones - the clones probably think the only thing that exists is this physical dimension.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: And a lot of them are at that position. In other words, all that exists is what I can, you know, touch, feel or taste, right?

KC: Right.

GG: They donít have any consideration -

KC: So, they - so youíre protected at a higher level, and we feel the same way, because weíre out there every day and itís a miracle really, that we are able to do our work every day and get by. Have you had close calls?

GG: No.

KC: No.

GG: No. Iíve been with - I sat with one of the CIA guys in Latin America and weíre sitting and heís got these big pistols sitting on the thing [chuckles] he kills people. He has no compunction about it. I talked to another one, that works with the CIA. Heís killed a hundred and twelve foreign leaders - I mean, you know - took out whole airplanes just to get one person.

KC: Right

GG: I mean, these people - they donít have any compunction, theyíre doing their job. And they look, and I look at that same thing, yeah, they could do it - but - on another level, all theyíre doing is getting rid of this rent-a-wreck, right? And, I have this DNA program that says Iím only going to have so many more years to live anyway - and we have a sequence, are we going to make it to the year 2012, or 2024; thereís several dates that we have - 2012 is the common date, but itís not necessarily correct because of the change of the Gregorian Calendar, you know.


So, all we know is, looking at the sequence of events as the earth changes begin in earnest - and we start watching the information we have - in earnest, from the documents we have, and you know, we have the Georgia Guidestones to tell you what their goals are -

KC: Right.

GG: I mean, all these things all come to play, it doesnít take a rocket scientist to say weíre coming up - do we have to sit here and play in this game in front of all of it. So, Iíve been looking at other places that have people - generally - are living at a different level. Theyíre not caught up in the game of consumption, greed.

KC: Uh hmmm.

GG: I mean, thatís what I look at, right now. Is, most of the people just consume and the greed is incredible. [long pause]

BR: A little while ago, you were interviewed ah, or made an appearance on Dr. Bill Deagleís Show.

GG: That's been a while, Dr. Deagle?

BR: I believe that was back in May, last year, or something like that.

GG: Iíve been on it a couple times.

BR: Yeah, weíve spoken to him, we havenít met him yet. Weíd like to talk to him and heís an interesting guy cause heís very fire and brimstone, as you know, and he tends to -

GG: Controls everything.

BR: Yeah.

GG: Youíre invited on his show but he does it all.

BR/KC: simultaneously: Yeah.

BR: Thatís okay, heís got a lot to say.

GG: Well, you know what it is - heís got his program.

BR: Yeah, but if we could ask you, and if you want this to be excised from the tape, make sure this is all cool, we wondered what your personal opinion was of his very Apocalyptic information, and message that he delivers. And also, itís interesting, cause people say if what he says is true, why am I still here. He says Iím doing a favor for them because Iím shaking the tree to see if thereís anyone there whoís going to jump ship. Thatís one of the things that he said -

GG: Well, there is that avenue. Itís like right now, Iím noticing a couple of things. When you look on the internet, like for instance, searching for airline tickets, right? Well, the cookies are in there immediately. If you donít book it right now, the price of the ticket will go up - did you notice that?

KC: Yeah, yeah, I watch it.

GG: The same thing with booking hotel rooms. If you go ahead and book it right away, youíll get a real cheap one. If you come back an hour later, itíll be gone.

KC: Thatís right.

GG: And thatís all part of their cookies on all of these things. So, whatever you do, theyíre watching your planning.. Well, theyíre monitoring everything we do. I mean itís so funny right now in this country. The back up computer system for the United States military is - do you know?

KC: Well, in Colorado? What are you talking -

GG: Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has the biggest computer system to keep track of the goods and stuff coming into all their - they have the big truck line - they have all the stores - theyíre selling everything, so they know what you consume, who it is - they got all these little cards that check it all out, so thatís another way of monitoring.

KC: Oh yeah.

GG: When you turn on the TVs of the new definitions now, theyíre coming out - theyíll be able - the new computers - they get to see who is on each one of them, and as you know, even your cell phone unless you take the batter out, they can monitor you.

KC: Oh, absolutely.

GG: So, youíre being checked on all - itís like Aaron Russo, From Freedom to Fascism.

KC: Yeah.

GG: People, for instance, that buy this book, I give them a free copy.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: You know, so they can look at Aaron. Also included three other DVDs in there with information on it.

KC: So - he

GG: No, Aaron and I spent, we spent an afternoon when he was running for Governor - Aaron was telling me, I says, youíre an idiot running for the governor right here in Nevada. Well, no, I told him that, exactly that way, I says Nevada is run by the Mafia.

KC: Sure.

GG: Thereís two different Mafia. One controls Reno and one controls Las Vegas and I was explaining that to him. So I say youíre over here because there are certain considerations in the State of Nevada that you can get, because the Mafia runs this state so why would you be - like me, technically, Iím a Nevada resident.

KC: Right. But youíre not there.

GG: Well, it doesnít make any difference. Donít you declare your residency - anywhere you want to be?

KC: Okay.

GG: Right? Now why would you do that?

KC: I donít know.

GG: No taxes.

KC: Oh, right. Nevada has no taxes. Yes.

GG: Why? All the casinos and everything else.

KC: Sure.

GG: So if all of them are set up in the first place - so what you do is, why give money for taxes because none of it - well, I wonít say none of it, but none of your income tax goes to run our government. A hundred percent of that, as you know, goes to the interest of the Federal Reserve, thatís all in the movie, From Freedom to Fascism. Iíve known that for a long time.


Itís the, you know, property taxes and that goes to the schools, you know, all the tax system is all set up to take more of the money out of you. Well, obviously, if Iím a citizen, you know, I have a residence in Nevada, I have all these kinds of things that I can do. I can go anywhere, doesnít mean I have to be there. I can go, Iíve been going to Costa Rica for years.


Right now, itís easy to get a citizenship in Ecuador, itís easy to get citizenship in Panama. Get another passport. The Feds have moved into these other banks and says if you want to play with our game, you have to give us the name, even if itís an officer or director, did you know that?

KC: Yeah.

GG: - of a corporation?

KC: Yeah.

GG: Or a foundation, or anything else connected?

KC: Yeah, and I mean, you canít get away from them, basically. Even off-shore, thatís the crazy thing.

GG: I know. Well, why do our billionaires, you know, like Bill Crosby, why do they live offshore. They have an island, well in, Nemis?

KC: Yeah.

GG: Theyíre their own country. The only trouble with the Caribbean is, all the, all the countries down there are controlled by the drug lords, right now.

KC: Well, isnít that true of Ecuador and Columbia, and all -

GG: No, Colombiaís pretty much, my CIA friendís living in Colombia right now. Heís got a big resort down there on the ocean and says, ďI donít care.Ē And, you know, they donít bother him.

KC: Really.

GG: But Iíve been to Colombia - itís - the division of people - in Colombia, itís either the rich and the poor. You know,

KC: Right.

GG: ...the natives. Thatís the same thing with going down to Brazil. Itís so....the poverty is so extreme. I mean, you go to Ipanema and you got guards with machineguns on there. You go to the shoe shop, they only show one of them on display because people come in and steal both of them. And if they do steal them, the guard just sitting there watch it, they donít do anything - and the tourists, youíre just bait.

KC: Right.

GG: And the big thing right now for Americans in Mexico and down there is, theyíre kidnapping people for ransom.

KC: Right. well - isnít Ecuador...

GG: No.

KC: ...and these other places, theyíre not...

GG: Ecuador is not that way.

KC: ...so why is that?

GG: I donít know - we donít have bars in the windows in Ecuador.

KC: Yeah.

GG: It isnít the money anyway, today. Itís just a game weíre playing.

KC: Yeah.

GG: because moneyís going to go away. I got - I have enough so I can go buy yuo dinner.

KC: umm

GG: You know. Itís who cares, after that, right?

KC: Yeah, well, I mean, I donít know, I mean, basically you need to buy a house and land where ever you go, right?

GG: No.

KC: No?

GG: Why would you want to buy anything? Iím an old real estate guy.

KC: How would you.....

GG: You rent.

KC: Oh, rent?

GG: Sixty percent of the people in Beverly Hills rent.

KC: You rent in Ecuador though?

GG: Sure!

KC: Yeah?

GG: Yeah!

KC: Oh!

GG: I was just down there. Brand new condo, brand new -

KC: Right -

GG: Two thousand square foot. Three bedroom, three and half baths, veranda, whole sh-meer, five hundred dollars a month. [pause]

KC: Thatís probably true.

GG: Why would I rent - I could buy it for fifty thousand, but why would I put fifty thousand dollars in there, because they really donít have financing, so why would I tie up fifty thousand dollars in gold, when I know goldís going to go to, you know, two hundred thousand.

KC: Right.

GG: Why donítí I give them five thousand dollars for a yearís rent.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: And I can hire a maid or somebody else if I want to and help them at the same time. I donít want to, I donít want to affect...

KC: Right.

GG: ...their system, so I, you can rent anywhere.

BR: And you have the flexibility to go anywhere else if you want.

GG: I have liquidated almost all my real estate.

KC: Really.

GG: Iím only in hard assets.

KC: Umm

GG: I have, you know, I was a registered financial principal with BNSD as a securities underwriting. You knew that, I used to issue stocks until I found out it was such a crooked game.

KC: Yeah.

GG: I mean, not just for brokers, just to trade without having any money of their own in the thing.

KC: So, what would you tell somebody who was really wealthy at this point, what to do with his money?

GG: Well, you mean, just the state of money?

KC: Because, we understand that the United States actually has laws, banks like donít allow you to just give your money to someone, they donít allow you to liquidate all your assets.

GG: Thatís right.

KC: They, they, there are limits to what you can do -

GG: There are limits to transferring money right now over twelve thousand dollars. I was taking money in at twelve thousand and more.

KC: Yeah.

GG: And I lured the bankers and was talking to them about it - they donít understand because they donít want to listen to the bigger story. Since they are transferring the money, they donít want to give away the assets. There are ways to move money in and out of this country.

KC: If somebody, you know, listens to you or listens even to some other people that are out there talking, um, you know, they say, I want to get, I want to liquidate my assets -

GG: Sure

KC: ...I want to move my money to Europe to, into the Swiss Franc or whatever, it becomes very difficult.

GG: I know, thatís the reason every bank will take it and put it into the basket of currencies but itís also being notified it still comes back to the dollar if your trading it back so they can keep track of that. Now, do you want to get it completely out of the country? Yeah.

KC: Yes.

GG: Thereís ways to do that and Iíd rather not tell you right now because thereís a few people with a lot of money. And all you wanted to - if itís just to maintain your money and stuff on it and youíre not helping humanity in some way, I could care less of helping you, frankly.

KC: Right.

GG: If youíve got something in another agenda in order to assist or facilitate getting information to waken people up or like my friend who is setting up a clinic in Ecuador right now for curing cancer.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Theyíre curing cancer. They cured the Vice Presidentís wife of cancer. Well, they need all the help they can get. [pause] The governmentís helping and giving them citizenship - you know, sixty days theyíre down there getting Ecuadorian citizenship. All you have to do is show income of five hundred a month and you can get citizenship down there anyway or you can get a -

KC: Okay, how do you show - okay, I mean, well, you know, logistically, how do you show income of five hundred a month if you arenít living in the US?

GG: Well, if you just have cash, you can put it on deposit, the same way, itís like in Panama, you put fifty thousand dollars down -

KC: Right, okay, you use your money

GG: .... Fifty thousand and have them invest it in their tree farm down there for the environment and theyíll loan the money then theyíll give you citizenship, so you got, thereís a lot of ways to do it.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Ecuador is a little freer than that right now. Costa Rica used to be that way but Costa Ricaís gone down the tubes, itís costing more to live in Costa Rica right now than it is to....

KC: If youíre in the United States, though.

GG: Yeah.

KC: And your money is overseas, when things crash down -

GG: Youíre not going to have it.

KC: Youíre not going to be able to get your money.

GG: What do you think I have in my pocket right now?

KC: [laughs]

GG: What are we talking about?

KC: I agree with you!

GG: Understand my game?

KC: Yeah.

GG: I may have money in a lot of different places but where do I have it? I can go anywhere - passport and what do I have in my pocket.

KC: Right.

GG: And how long will twenty pieces of gold go?

KC: And how long will they let you - I mean, theyíre going to close the borders at some point.

GG: Exactly.

KC: Right.

GG: Yeah. So, how many Mexicans are coming across the border and how many can you go across - I have a friend with airplanes in New Mexico that can fly down there. We have a lot of ways to get out of here if you really need to.

KC: Right.

GG: Uh, believe it or not, you can get cargo ships, thereís a lot of them out of Long Beach, out of Seattle, get on a cargo ship and head off.

KC: [laughing]

GG: Theyíre going to keep, they want to keep comm... - remember the secret, they want to keep commerce going. The currencyís no good, now weíre going to go, thatís when things are going to get serious enough, and thatís when weíre going to go with the concentration camps and I donít want to be here then.

KC: No, I wouldnít either.

BR: Are you expecting communications to go down?

GG: Oh yeah.

BR: Do you have any kind of a time?

GG: Itís hard to know that because of, you know, what has happened the last month or so because of the transferring - when we were talking about money transfers cause, I just have a couple million dollars a day coming into my office from people that wanted -

KC: For example, when they cut those cables and they cut off all the, you know, the -

GG: In the Middle East, you mean?

KC: Yeah.

GG: That was because they were going on the Bourse. You know, Iran went on the Bourse as a trading instrument to get off the dollar. By treaty, it was agreed that the dollar was the trading of the oil and theyíre all getting off of that. Theyíre going to the Euro -

KC: Right

GG: Well, Iran has set up the Bourse Treaty. When they did that they were going to put that in effect last month. And, conveniently all the cables got cut so they couldnít have the communications to make the transfers out of New York. Well, New Yorkís about ready to collapse. In fact, I can see New York vaporized.

KC: Oh yeah?

GG: Oh, if youíre going to hit the country, New York, Washington DC, and Atlanta, youíve wiped out the communications on the east side. West, and then we got the problem also that new Madridís going to break loose and thatís going to split apart

KC: Right.

GG: So weíre going to have two countries, basically -

KC: And Yellowstone, you think that -

GG: Nah, Iím not worried about it. Itís all...

KC: Volcanoes? What about volcanoes? Are they going to...

GG: There are going to be volcanoes going up, I know about Rainier taking off, that maybe, you know, some...

KC: Are you close to it?

GG: Actually, when St. Helens went off up here?

KC: Yeah?

GG: They had a foot of ash all the way around here.

KC: Oh, really!

GG: Yeah. I remember it was, you know, heavy ash, yeah.

KC: Uh huh.

[long pause]

GG: You know, itís going to be challenging, the question is do you want to be in the midst of it or not. I keep asking the guys, in fact, I was al - we were talking about it, we packed up everything last month - and the ETs basically gave me one word - WAIT. So, weíve unpacked. [chuckles]

KC: Oh, really?

GG: Uh huh. They told me to wait.

BR: Maybe youíre more valuable here than somewhere else right now.

GG: Well, that...

BR: Strategic positions on the battlefield.

KC: Right.

GG: [reflectively] I think so. Itís - them around, weíre speaking, maybe you guys are putting out information, the other programs Iím doing, the information is going out to someplace to trigger somebody and something else in order to consolidate this mess of whatís going to be left.

KC: Right.

GG: I think, like what youíre doing, you know, Iím sorry I could have, itís a question of being able to communicate and get around this planet right now, itís a job. I can go anywhere right now - I donít have any problem going through, you know, immigration or customs, or anything right now. I know thatís going to be coming down and I also know ways - I was just talking with my friend, I mean, I used to fly an airplane myself.


I had five airplanes, so I got out of that game. I got, you know, we have nuts - I always have to get in an airplane to go someplace that I need to. You know. Iím only a mile from the airport, right now, where I live. You know, private place.

KC: Right. So, they told you to wait. So...

GG: Wait.

KC: ...something is going on right now.

GG: Yeah. Somethingís coming on but I donít have it - anything - you know - I donít have the -

KC: What can you tell us about, sort of like, psychologically where youíre at. I mean, I know you wake up every day and youíre glad to be alive, but are you, in other words, do you wonder about your safety, the safety of close people to you, at this moment?

GG: No. No, Iím not even, I have to come back into it, because of my family.

KC: Right.

GG: Same thing, youíre concerned about your kids and my grandkids and all that -

KC: Sure -

GG: But I have to go through the law and allow that these are different entities that come into this life at this lifeís time, theyíre making their own decisions.

KC: Well, what about the Indigo Children? Youíre aware of them?

GG: Sure! The kids are coming in with extreme knowledge and stuff? Iím hoping, maybe theyíre here at this time to be part of the ďthe knowledge pool,Ē for the limited amount of people thatís going to be left.

KC: Right.

GG: Again, Iím not judging -

KC: But theyíre also here, maybe, to help the change of consciousness.

GG: Well, I donít think so.

KC: You donít think so?

GG: No - you come back to logic of the universe. Consciousness is at another level - so when youíre talking about the physical reality of the Indigo children talking about physical reality, thatís not doing the consciousness change. Consciousness change is going to be a different understanding.

KC: Are you, do you agree that weíre going to move from - weíre in the third density now, weíre going through the fourth and weíre going to end up in the fifth? Have you heard that?

GG: Well, I heard the transitions of the different vibrational levels and that we would probably not know the shift. I do thatís occurring -

KC: Right.

GG: Iíve heard that itís occurring but because of the shifting of it we wouldnít notice anything. And, with the consciousness level again, itís not going to be any different if itís that level because itís still, weíre still locked into this physical reality we call physical, right?

KC: Uh huh.

GG: And so thatís what the problem is. I donít think that weíre going to be shifted into another dimension and thatís going to make it all light and lovely because the Creation doesnít work that way. It experiences things to find out what is right and wrong, whatís good and bad, how will we view it? Remember, I got that train coming down there and thatís a good train, because itís got a whole load of vegetables and everything for the kids. But, if youíre parked out in the middle of it then thatís bad. So, I got to balance all this, right?

KC: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

GG: ...the balance in all this. So, we canít make the judgment until we find out whatís really happening in a much bigger picture and itís not my job.

KC: Okay.

GG: Not my job - Iím not a traffic cop to tell people what to - you know, where theyíre supposed to be. I can assist them if they come to me and I donít - I wonít deny information.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: You know, Itís a personal nature and Iím not going to tell people to go out kill anybody because thatís against the rules, again.

KC: Right, absolutely.

GG: I mean, Iím concerned about all of that, I was raised in a packing house - slaughter house.

KC: Right, I remember this now.

GG: And I, you know, I reached the point where I killed that last cow, in fact it followed me up and looked at me and I killed it and it was the last one I ever did. Because Iíd recognized that, itís like that - if youíve been watching TV lately or on the internet, of the elephants out there that are painting pictures, in India?

KC: Oh! We saw a video of that. Wonderful!

GG: Well, they put it on...

KC: Did they?

GG: Yeah, they put it on Good Morning America. No, itís just showing that there is conscious and we know that.

KC: Oh, absolutely, the animals -

GG: Chris Bird, when he did his stuff on the talking to the plants. You know that ET group down in Brazil that were plants, looked like humans, but chlorophyll based.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: I mean, I got that salve, I still have that information for curing cancer. So, you know, the game becomes very, you know, exploring, I love the exploration of what the universe is all about. Iíd be glad to, you know, take off and go to other planets and explore and do things, but thatís not my job - at this point, itís to try to awake and save the remnant. Does it look good? No! But, Iím going to keep trying and say Iím not failing because Iím doing my job.

KC: You're definitely are doing your job, George Green.

GG: [both laugh] Is it going fast enough? Maybe...

KC: What about, let me ask you one thing about the time in Atlantis. Do you have, have you been told anything about, you know, that weíve been through this...

GG: Yes.

KC: ...in the past as a Earth, and as a people -

GG: Sure, like you say, my wife, who is a clairvoyant, remembers the total time of Atlantis and Lemuria...

KC: And when they went from Atlantis, and the destruction of Atlantis -

GG: All of that, she can tell you all - yeah, she can tell you and who was in charge and how it all happened, and weíre going to go through the same thing...

KC: Okay.

GG: Thereís something to look at. Itís okay to look back Ėdonít stare!

KC: Okay, thatís interesting - yeah.

GG: No seriously, because you can get caught up in what is there and remember what I told you in the beginning? The only thing that exists is right now and what weíre creating. Itís not only the ďweĒ itís everybody else thatís involved in their thought processes, that is being coalesced from the Creation in order to try to figure a way to come back out of this with the least destruction to the soul energy.

KC: Absolutely.

GG: And, thatís what weíre looking at and the soul has to wake up and say, ďwait a minute, thereís something above me.Ē See, the ego keeps you back down to the me, me, me, I, I, I - and all that kind of stuff. Weíre all together. I love yaíll. We donít care, weíre all one.

BR: Wonderful throw away question and answer about three quarters of an hour ago, um, about whether you aware of the existence of bases on the Moon and Mars, and this is another part of the jigsaw puzzle. Are you aware of whether or not there are evacuation plans, among the powers that be to take a certain portion of ...

GG: There are plans, but I canít get, they have plans but they donít have... The Van Allen Belt is set, the radiation level - they wonít allow them to go through that. The Moon is an artificial satellite, youíre aware of that, it was put there.

BR: Yeah, thereís more.

GG: And itís always facing the planet. Itís to give us the second energy source, on the planet. The second energy source to allow the tides so we can harness all those things, thatís what it was all about, and also, to get the light at certain areas to - again to make people ponder - people just quit thinking about logics of the universe again.


How did we get this object up there? How come thereís so many crop circles and what are the messages, right? Crop circles obviously have a message and thatís - thereís messages there. It isnít a couple of farmers stomping things out.


On my video, The Big Picture that I have of mine, you see the crop circles being made, I have the ďorb,Ē actually showing them. So we have to get to that mental level - and then the next question is,

ďOkay, if youíre interested in the physical reality of the ETs, thereís much evidence in museums in Peru, theyíve got them down there, all the bones, weíve got some around here and up around other places - they keep them hidden right now within the universities, but you can dig them up."




George Green - The Big Picture




KC: What about the Crystal Skulls?

GG: Well - my good friend did a movie on that, called The Crystal Skulls. They donít know where they come from and I - thatís kind of like the balls in - those huge balls in Costa Rica.

KC: Yeah, yeah, right.

GG: I mean, theyíre getting them all and putting them in a little community down there - when I was first down there thatís the height - if you got a lot of money - you can own one of those balls that down there. They donít know where they come from.

KC: Yeah.

GG: You know, I ask about that - just a ďneed to knowĒ I guess. Kind of like Easter Island, which is a group of giants that was there and they died out, and...

KC: So, in other words sometimes the ETs answer you and give you information on something, and sometimes they...

GG: Itís a ďneed to knowĒ - yeah, but why bother with, you know, itís like what we were talking about. Yeah, I can give you the - weíll find you the whole history and you can put down the truth of what went on, you know. History is two words, right? His Story, always written by the victor.

KC: Absolutely.

GG: All the way down the line. And thatís what you have to look at. History is fun to play with but life is more fun right now, so youíre asking me, yeah, Iím aware of all of this stuff, itís great fun, Iím trying to get it - and Iím having fun waking people up because so many people are so asleep, you know, itís a game to fight with them. I have a lot of knowledge cause mineís a hand on thing. I mean, you know, I did all this stuff. I read a lot of books but most of mine, Iím so curious, I just grabbed a plane and went to go find out for myself - [laughs] - I mean, thatís me in trouble with Billy...

BR: I presume, that you are not in a position to help us meet Billy.

GG: No - well, Billy doesnít want to meet anybody.

BR: Thatís what I thought.

GG: Youíve already met somebody -

KC: My impression.

GG: Whatís his name down at... supposedly his liaison, right now.

KC: Yeah, we did.

GG: But, I donítí know if heíd help you or not either. You know, Billy is...

KC: No, I know Michael...

GG: Michael Horn?

KC: Yeah, I know Michael.

GG: You know, they got mad at me because I...

KC: He's tried, but we havenít been able to...

GG: No, you know I published the Talmud of Immanuel, over there and they got all mad about that because I didnít put the German in it. Yeah, I donít know if you understand the original - I got the Talmud - we had a college kid translate it from that high German, Schweizerdeutsch, into English. And, my wife and I took the documents over, I mean, this is even more strange, we took the documents over here, and we immediately, I sent out a whole bunch of copies to people.


One of them was to a guy named... well, heís in California, I donít want his name on it, right - anyway, he reprinted it and they changed some stuff around. He was channeling so called Hatonn and the information we got was - that was really good stuff - I dropped a half a million dollars and got a divorce - actually, about a million, and got a divorce over that thing, because we thought they were really connected with that group and it turned out to be a big swindle.

KC: Oh, man,

GG: Anyway, they published the Talmud, their version of it, well, my wife and Jim Deardorff worked on it for two years. Well, now we got another problem thatís stepped in - that was my ex-wife. Uh, Iíd only been married a few months, just so you know, but -

KC: Ah -

GG: My ex-wife and I, we spent twenty years, running around the world, you know, playing the game, but when we met Billy over there, we kind of made agreements together. Well, what was the problem with the Talmud - that was the Teachings of Immanuel [or Christ], right? Well, where did Christ go, and where is he now? Well, we became in contact. Now, that stops the whole story again, doesnít it? [long pause]

KC: You mean -

GG: With the Christ Being, Immanuel, who calls himself Sananda right now. Then we got the information on the translation of the Talmud, so then we did it and said, ďWhy do we want to put the German down?Ē Because Billy wasnít responsible for that! That was the Greek Priest, Rashid, who did the translation from Aramaic to Schweizerdeutsch. There wasnít any copyright, it wasnít Billyís anyway, in the first place.

KC: Sure.

GG: So, what we did, is then - we were working on doing the translation - then we were in contact directly with the Christ Being energy. Itís kind of like what I did with Nostradamus material with Dolores Cannon - youíre familiar with her.

KC: Well, yeah, absolutely. I didnít know you did that.

GG: I - Dolores Cannon couldnít talk to anybody. She was stutterer all - ll - ll the time, and she sent me the manuscript. I so read the manuscript and I told Desireeí, I says, ďYou know, this is pretty interesting, letís check it out.Ē So, we made a contract. We published Dolores Cannonís first book, Conversations with Nostradamus, Volume 1, Volume 2.

KC: Ah -

GG: I then set it up because we had a place in Beverly Hills, we got NBC and CBS to do our features on it. Nobody bought any books, Dolores got all bent out of shape by that because she said the books got to be in every book store. Well, you canít force bookstores to take the books! So she sent me, and her husbandís in a wheelchair, I donít know if you knew that - I said, ďIt donít bother.Ē


Forget it, so, we gave her her contract back, and thatís when she started the Ozark thing, and she was into the UFO stuff, doing hypnosis. When we were doing the Conversations With Nostradamus, at the same time they were doing the ďI Am AmericaĒ map and they were doing, Gordon Scallion was doing their map. I said, ďWell, letís ask Nostradamus.Ē Because Nostradamus ďclaimedĒ, as you know, under hypnosis to be coming through the subject at that time, if you know the story.

KC: Well, actually no, I havenít read that book. But okay -

GG: I published it, I have it so you can have that too -

KC: Iíd love to read it.

GG: Well, we looked at it. Itís Nostradamus - he was concerned about what the translations were. So, Dolores didnít know anything about it. She went and got the book by Erica Cheetham on the quatrains. What they did, there was her subject who was in a trance. They would read them the quatrain and the translation and then Nostradamus would clear it up.

He said, ďI want to warn you for whatís coming down now.Ē This is all before we come into ball with Billy Meier, just so you know.

So anyway, I sat down with that and said, ďOkay, this is great. Now tell me what the United States is like.Ē

Thatís when she did a map and I said, ďThatís not exactly the same way.Ē

Then we did another one and did another one. We had three different maps of what the United States is going to look like, coming from Dolores.

KC: Right.

GG: Then she gave me another one, Jesus and the Essenes, the book, you heard about that one, right?

BR: I've read that. Interesting book.

GG: Well, I know, except for - we were in contact with the guy called Immanuel at that time, directly.

He said, ďI never joined the Essenes, I went to see what they were like, but I wasn't a member of their group. I was investigating.Ē

So I reported that back to Dolores again, I says, ďWe canít publish that because it doesnít have the truth in it.Ē

Now, weíre directly with, this is out of, out of whack if you want to look at it. Weíre in directly in contact with the Christ being, if you call him Jesus or Immanuel, explaining to us what had happened at that time, he says hey, I was just like you guys running over to the Mormons to check out whatís going on. I didnít join them....

KC: Right.

GG: So, he didnít become an Essene.

KC: Okay, thatís, thatís great information.

GG: Well, Iím just sharing it but itís part of the drama that we have - because Iím living all of a sudden - weíre involved with the Christ Being and His story, trying to His information for, and we made the agreement again to publish the information. Well, some of that came from Billy, right? But the Talmud came from Rashid, of documents that were in the resin jar. So, thatís where Billy got mad at me because we published another version! He wanted his stamp on it, what he has. Well, Iím in direct contact with the Being. Now what do you do?

KC: And, where thereís also a controversy around that, because Billy was also - said that he was ah, Jesus at some point.

GG: No, he wasnít.

KC: And, I didnít think he was, either.

GG: No, no. He was not.

KC: Thatís something that he...

GG: You see, thatís where some of his thing is - where the ego steps in and makes the discernment on the stuff, and my contact, we ended up publishing another book, and itís called Spiritual Laws and Lessons. And, what the Christ Being wanted to do, was have the messages, or the laws, and he spelled out a whole page or two pages of information, so there would be no... he says no mistakes on what the rulebook is on the physical dimension.

KC: Hmm

GG: Though, itís fascinating to read. However, the divorce, and all the Hatonn material and all that junk - cause we put up - everybody thought that - we financed the whole thing. I mean, I was blowing maybe fifty grand a month financing the project for a while. And then E.J. Ekker, they had all the people, theyíre going to create a whole, they call it the, ah, Tehachapi California. Theyíre going to create this whole enclave and I bought into what they had too. I said, ďWell, hey, I can do all of that stuff.Ē


But then we found that he was telling people that I was on the Board of all that - their corporation and had given them millions of dollars.

And, the people came to me and said, ďHow do we get it back?Ē

So, immediately we got sued and they put it in their newspaper, and basically said that Iím suing Jesus Christ - they put that as the headlines, "George Green Suing Jesus Christ".

I had nothing to do with any of that stuff. Not, and they didnít tell anybody that I was directly involved with that, because they couldnít do that. We ended up publishing 60 of their books, called the Phoenix Journals.

BR: And ďweĒ is who?

GG: My wife and I. Desiree and I.

KC: And, but basically you published them but, but you know that theyíre not - theyíre basically...

GG: Well, let me tell you what happened. Walter Russell, who had their home studies course and all kinds of stuff, had books, The Secret of Life, Atomic Suicide, and the were in contact with a group of extraterrestrials, too. Their information was put into the Phoenix Journals, she claimed that she channeled the information and put down on the books. Of course, I just published the books.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: We bought into it and said, thatís real.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Then I was sued by the University of Science for copyright infringement.

KC: [laughs] So she copied it from there?

GG: But wait a minute, Let me tell you now the story opened up the Pandoraís Box. My wife says, ďWait a minute, this isnít right.Ē Because, it was word for word, there wasnít any changes in it or anything, it was word for word. Weíre not going to do this - so we investigated it and some of the people around us, we gave them a job: to look at where all the books came from. It turned out, every one of them came from someplace else.

KC: Wow.

GG: So, except for two - the two that we did ourselves directly from the guidance from above. So, two of the Phoenix Journals, theyíre okay, the rest of them, itís not that theyíre not truth in them, because they were taken from other information, this Hatonn character at that time, claimed - and weíre not sure, thatís kind of like J.Z. Knight, you know, Ramtha.

KC: Yeah.

GG: You can put information in, but not necessarily is it all J.Z. or is it all Ramtha? You have to discern the truth as you come by it.

KC: Always.

GG: So when I get - when we got through this whole thing, E.J. and Doris, they moved to the Philippines so they knew they couldnít be extradited - because everybodyís trying to get their money back and they sued us and every time we went someplace, we could go out for lunch, theyíd sue my wife, or serve her to come in for depositions. And, have you been to a deposition? Thatís like mind rape.

KC: Oh...

GG: and the ETs told me, keep her away from that because itíll break everything up. Well it finally did. She just, I mean, sheíd just come home and cry for a couple days after a deposition - well, we never gave - we always got dismissed - because it was just allegations, and they learned how the court system worked so well that they just filed suits against you with non-existent corporations.

KC: Huh.

GG: And then you have to answer the suit because itís part of their game that they had. And then they had their newspaper, the Phoenix Journals, you know, the Phoenix Express or whatever they called the thing - anyway, they kept - they would put all of the lawsuits against us, remember the conflict resolution you have an enemy out here like we have to have in bin Laden, I mean, we got to have somebody - I mean ultimately weíre going to have the whole planet put together against a common enemy from space.

KC: Oh right.

GG: Thatís under the Majestic Twelve program.

KC: Do you believe thereís going to be a hologram graphic representation of an invasion...

GG: I donít know, itís whatever they want to create - Iím saying at some point they got to get everybody united, using the technology off alien spacecraft.

KC: Always an enemy without.

GG: Exactly, well, either that, or we create one.

KC: Right.

GG: Whether itís a hologram or whether itís not, who cares?

KC: Yeah.

GG: We know what their agenda is.

KC: Sure.

GG: One of my agenda is right now, are they going to pull us off this weekend, right?

BR: Yeah.

GG: You know, this storyís so incredible because like I say, you ask me whether - it turns out that the Christ Being has been monitoring me before, because some of the same messages I got when I met Desireeí - because there was some question at that time, you know - what was going on, that I got - I better do that - I better awaken her for her job. And she did her job. [pause]. Well, Iím not going to go into what it was -

KC: Okay.

GG: ...but she has done it, she has accomplished what sheís supposed to do.

KC: I see

GG: And so, you know, we all have something we have to do. She has got hers done now. And, sheíll, sheíll always be in contact. So, Iím not worried about it.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: But the messages then become more, as I said, we were concerned about the Hatonn character. Yes there is a Hatonn and when we confronted that Hatonn from another source, the answer was, there are lessons of discernment - then I was like you, but these people that put all this money and everything else in - thereís lessons of discernment for everybody. So, not only did we get it, I got it in spades, right?

KC: Sure

GG: Then, of course, then my wife separated - weíre all up - Iím in Vegas, Iím going back playing Monopoly, you know, building buildings and stuff in Vegas, then the ETs reminded me of my agreement, right? Oh - now Iím back - but I was - Iím a one man show at that point.

KC: Uh huh, right.

GG: I canít, they canít, you know, I know what the court system is, theyíre not going to bother me because Iíve been up there so many times, both sides, I mean, I had three attorneys that I had as partners, I made them millionaires just to keep track... keep me out of problems.

KC: [both laugh]

BR: Anyone watching this would want us to ask you a question and, about the Christ Consciousness...

GG: Yeah.

BR: ...that youíve been in communication with. There have been persistent, just call them reports, that this Consciousness who took physical form two thousand years ago, was actually an extraterrestrial manifestation of some kind. Can you comment on that?

GG: The Pleiadians impregnated Mary so heís a combination of, you know, a Pleiadian and that, and his message was to do exactly what he did. I mean, he was a right winger at that time, right? I mean, he was drawing the banks out and everything else trying to wake people up - so - his messages have been so distorted though - but his job was, again, that there was no sequence of time, was to try to bring back the spiritual teachings of man. Thatís what Billy was trying to do with his, some of his books that he has, his spiritual teachings, you know, and said this is the way it is -

BR: Sure -

GG: Well, we got the same thing, only he calls himself Sananda right now.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Sananda level is saying that this is part of the progress along with his other ďascended mastersĒ, Gabriel, you hear them, Lord Michael and - weíre in contact with all that group. Well, thereís a group above them.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: And thatís where I got blown -

KC: Are you familiar with the raw material?

GG: Sure.

KC: How do you feel about that?

GG: Well, the raw material has a lot of good information into it, thatís like that girl who is putting the stuff out from Russia. Did you go over and talk to her...

KC: Oh now, weíve heard about her.

BR: Anastasia...

GG: Anastasia, did you read the first couple of books? It really makes some sense. When you get into about the fourth or fifth book, all of a sudden, wait a minute, itís back to another story.

KC: Ah! Uh huh...

GG: Itís like, I defy you to go through all of these books and not - youíll see the same information all the way down, and look at it and at that time - like I say, there was purpose for not putting any names on the material. Frankly, it comes from the Creational Level itself. Not only this universe, but others.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: For their focus - I mean, I was in awe when I found out what this is coming down, because itís an unbelievable experience to have happen - that the Creational Level itself, from this Universe and others, are focusing just these little few words...

KC: Right.

GG: To try to wake - and, itís like an artist. It starts from the very first word and it ends up perfect all the way through this whole thing. I mean, if you, I, you know, Iíve lived the process so itís just unbelievable to me.


Especially since Iíve lived my crazy life.